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Kerry on the Record: Amnesty is OK
NewsMax.com ^ | March 4, 2004 | Dave Eberhart

Posted on 03/04/2004 7:20:46 AM PST by upchuck

Kerry on the Record: Amnesty is OK

Dave Eberhart, Newsmax.com
Thursday, Mar. 04, 2004
[More Kerry on the Record: Intelligence, Defense, Taxes, Abortion, POW/MIA, Gay Marriage]

Putative Democratic candidate for president, Sen. John Forbes Kerry, D-Mass., is not afraid of the charged “amnesty” word when it comes to his stated policies on undocumented immigrants.

Despite amnesty’s nettlesome connotation as being synonymous with “rewarding persons who have engaged in illegal activity,” Kerry told the world at the Albuquerque, New Mexico Democratic Primary debate:

“I supported and was prepared to vote for amnesty from 1986. And it is essential to have immigration reform. Anyone who has been in this country for five or six years, who’s paid their taxes, who has stayed out of trouble, ought to be able to translate into an American citizenship immediately, not waiting.”

After a period of time, however, the dreaded “amnesty” word worked its way out of the Kerry lexicon on the subject. In its place -- the more refined and neater: “earned legalization”:

“I support an earned legalization proposal that will allow undocumented immigrants to legalize their status if they have been in the United States for a certain amount of time, have been working, and can pass a background check. This makes sense for the economy, provides fairness to people in our communities who have worked hard and paid taxes, and will also allow us to strengthen our homeland security by bringing undocumented workers out of the shadows.”

In any event, the Kerry rhetoric seemed to hit the right note. The Cesar Chavez-founded United Farm Workers endorsed Sen. Kerry for President. UFW President Arturo S. Rodriguez gave Kerry ringing praise in the official announcement:

“[T]he United Farm Workers proudly supports Senator John Kerry for President because he shares our vision of helping Latinos and all people achieve the decent life America promises those who work hard for a living….

“We trust Senator Kerry because of his long history with us, from participating in the grape boycott during the mid-1970s to supporting the right of California strawberry workers to organize in the late 1990s.

“Most recently, we have worked with Senator Kerry on bipartisan legislation dealing fairly with the immigration dilemma facing immigrant workers, their families and employers -- the AgJobs bill, S. 1645, that John Kerry co-sponsors along with 50 other U.S. senators from both parties….”

Despite having earned the key Chavez imprimatur, Kerry has not always been the Johnny-on-the-spot migrant worker’s best friend and savior.

In 1998, for instance, Kerry voted against the creation of a national registry containing names of U.S. workers who want to perform temporary or seasonal agricultural work, and to require the Attorney General to allow more foreign workers into the U.S. for farm work under H-2A visas.

Also in 1998, Kerry voted down an expanded Visa program for skilled workers.

In 1997, Kerry voted against an amendment that would have restored food stamp benefits to the children of legal immigrants.

But such momentary lapses can apparently be forgiven by the Chavez camp as Sen. Kerry is, indeed, a co-sponsor of S. 1645, the Agricultural Job Opportunity, Benefits, and Security Act of 2003.

This bill would create a guest-worker program that leads to amnesty for certain agricultural workers. The potential recipients of the amnesty will be required to prove 100 days of agricultural employment in the 18-month period that ended Aug. 31, 2003. Then, prior to receiving amnesty, workers would have to show 360 days of additional farm work over the next six years.

In 2002, Sen. Kerry voted for S.2045, the Abraham foreign worker bill to nearly triple the number of foreign high-tech workers. The bill passed the Senate 96-1 despite its arrival on the heels of the release of a special Government Accounting Office report finding.

Although he went with the herd in 2002, four years before in 1998, Kerry voted against S.1723, which passed the Senate 72-20. Enacted into law, it increased by nearly 150,000 the number of foreign workers that high-tech American companies could hire over the next three years.

In the case of S.1723, Kerry agreed with those who argued that the foreign workers were not needed -- while U.S. firms were laying-off tens-of-thousands of American workers.

As to Kerry’s opinion of the President’s proposed program: “We need comprehensive immigration reform; you can’t do just one piece. The president’s plan is a fraudulent plan. It’s fundamentally a plan for cheap labor.”

Harsh labels aside, Kerry finds himself bucking a President who is touting a plan that does not feature any sort of classic amnesty:

“I oppose amnesty -- placing undocumented workers on the automatic path to citizenship,” Bush said, when announcing his own proposal. “Granting amnesty encourages the violation of our laws and perpetuates illegal immigration. America’s a welcoming country. But citizenship must not be the automatic reward for violating the laws of America.”

Bush, among other things, wants to up the number of “green” cards that allow immigrants to work lawfully in the U.S. Currently about 140,000 “green cards” are issued each year to people wanting to migrate to the United States.

Under the Bush plan illegal immigrants already in the United States can only apply for the temporary worker program if they already have a job. The special status would last for three years and could be renewed once, for a total stay of six years. If temporary workers failed to stay employed or broke the law, they would be sent home.

Pundits say that the Bush plan is likely to pass muster in the Congress.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; kerry
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1 posted on 03/04/2004 7:20:46 AM PST by upchuck
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To: upchuck
“earned legalization”

Hmmm... I've been thinking about this a little. The "illegal aliens" are actually CRIMINAL aliens since they broke the law in entering our country in an illegal fashion.

If I'm a criminal and I seek a clean slate, how do I do this? One way is by "doing the time for my crime."

How 'bout this: Since these people are CRIMINALS, we offer them five years of hard labor in a maximum security prison during which time they are taught how to speak English and about American customs, mores, etc. After that, they automatically become American citizens.

You may think I'm crazy, but think about this: Under both President Bush's plan and Kerry's plan there is no penalty whatsoever for these CRIMINALS breaking the law. We just welcome them with open arms and all is forgiven.

I'm sorry. But if this plan (either plan) is implemented, there'll be a migration into this country like we've never seen or even imagined.

2 posted on 03/04/2004 7:34:39 AM PST by upchuck (I am upchuck and I approved this message because... well, just because.)
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To: upchuck
Sen. John Forbes Kerry, D-Mass., is not afraid of the charged “amnesty” word when it comes to his stated policies on undocumented immigrants. "undocumented immigrants" is what should be in quotes.

So, is this to be the new PC expression for ILLEGAL aliens?

Oh puke. More 'newspeak'.

3 posted on 03/04/2004 7:40:31 AM PST by doberville (Angels can fly when they take themselves lightly)
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To: upchuck
A working link...

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/3/3/224520.shtml

4 posted on 03/04/2004 7:43:32 AM PST by CheezyD
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To: CheezyD
Sorry about the bad link. My screwup.
5 posted on 03/04/2004 7:44:51 AM PST by upchuck (I am upchuck and I approved this message because... well, just because.)
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To: upchuck
Once again, the public will get stiff-armed on this issue. Skull and Bones for President.
6 posted on 03/04/2004 7:46:34 AM PST by sixmil
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To: doberville
So, I guess the Bush and Kerry positions on criminal aliens is the same?
7 posted on 03/04/2004 7:47:49 AM PST by Guillermo (It's tough being a Miami Dolphins fan)
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To: upchuck
Looks like Bush just got trumped on the Hispanic vote.
8 posted on 03/04/2004 8:00:50 AM PST by jtminton (2Timothy 4:2)
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To: jtminton
BUSH AND KERRY MAKE NADER LOOK GOOD.
9 posted on 03/04/2004 8:07:49 AM PST by jocko12
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To: doberville
The Dems can't allow the word illegal to be used because even we Republicans understand that illegal is wrong. These pukes make me want to puke.
10 posted on 03/04/2004 8:08:00 AM PST by mortal19440
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To: upchuck
And this is a surprise to whom?
11 posted on 03/04/2004 8:09:38 AM PST by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: upchuck
Is there anything on which Kerry and Bush DO NOT agree?
12 posted on 03/04/2004 8:27:10 AM PST by Askel5
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To: upchuck
undocumented immigrants

Call 'em what they are: ILLEGAL ALIENS!

13 posted on 03/04/2004 8:28:06 AM PST by mhking (Summon the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch!)
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To: upchuck
Don't worry, if you don't like Kerry's stand on amnesty you can always vote for . . . uh . . .hmmmmm . . . nevermind.

The almost universal use of phrases like "undocumented immigrant" instead of the traditional phrase "illiegal alien" is a good case to use when pointing out the liberal bias and totalitarian unity of the American press. Of course, few if any politicians or activists will use it as an example of press bias because doing so opens them up to a charge of racism.

14 posted on 03/04/2004 10:36:14 AM PST by jordan8
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To: Guillermo
Probably not.
15 posted on 03/04/2004 10:47:43 AM PST by doberville (Angels can fly when they take themselves lightly)
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To: Guillermo
Probably not.
16 posted on 03/04/2004 10:48:07 AM PST by doberville (Angels can fly when they take themselves lightly)
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“ Anyone who has been in this country for five or six years, who’s paid their taxes, who has stayed out of trouble, ought to be able to translate into an American citizenship immediately, not waiting.”
Not even wait for a few years, like the people who obtained legal status in the 1986 amnesty.

Kerry 4 Prez.

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17 posted on 03/04/2004 10:53:30 AM PST by george wythe
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To: upchuck; Howlin; Travis McGee; PhiKapMom; My2Cents; doodlelady; Tamsey; NormsRevenge; ...
Here's the real amnesty candidate for president. How bad does Bush look now?

18 posted on 03/04/2004 10:59:24 AM PST by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Jeffrey Dahmer, and Timothy McVeigh)
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To: sixmil
Skull and Bones for President.

I take it you were blackballed from a fraternity/sorority in college.

19 posted on 03/04/2004 11:01:28 AM PST by Howlin (Just another unrepentant Bush supporter.)
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To: Howlin
Pinging Sabertooth. Somehow I think this stuff will have him upchuck his breakfast! ;-)
20 posted on 03/04/2004 11:03:57 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: upchuck
Enough of this idiocy on the part of Kerry and the Democrats, and Bush won't have to "Bring It On" or spend a dime.
21 posted on 03/04/2004 11:10:50 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is Communism one drink at a time. - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: onyx
Kerry finds himself bucking a President who is touting a plan that does not feature any sort of classic amnesty...

This kind of statement is red-meat to the Immigration Hawks. Anything short of rounding up everyone here illegally at gunpoint and dropping them back into Mexico (preferrably from an altitude of about 10,000 feet) is "amnesty."

22 posted on 03/04/2004 11:16:27 AM PST by My2Cents ("Well...there you go again.")
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To: onyx; Tamsey; FairOpinion; Howlin; nopardons; BigSkyFreeper; Texasforever; Lando Lincoln; ...
Here's the real amnesty candidate for president. How bad does Bush look now?

Well, unless the Bush Bashers windex their navels, none of their hate rhetoric will change.They'll just find something else to support Kerry with.

23 posted on 03/04/2004 11:19:04 AM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: My2Cents; yall
Yep, "WE" are all on the same page.
24 posted on 03/04/2004 11:22:50 AM PST by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Jeffrey Dahmer, and Timothy McVeigh)
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To: gatorbait; onyx; All
Here's ALL you need to know about John Kerry:

In the first days of a Kerry Administration, I will appoint a Presidential Ambassador to the Peace Process who will report directly to me and the Secretary of State – and who will work day-to-day to move that process forward. There are a number of uniquely qualified Americans who I would consider appointing, including: President Carter, former Secretary of State James Baker, or, as I suggested almost two years ago, President Clinton.

25 posted on 03/04/2004 11:33:05 AM PST by Howlin (Just another unrepentant Bush supporter.)
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To: gatorbait
No kidding. It's beyond the pale, that some here are working so hard, to claim,on the one hand, how "CONSERVATIVE" they are are,and on the other,how much better it would be, to get rid of President Bush.
26 posted on 03/04/2004 11:34:20 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Howlin

CHEE-IT --- James Baker would NEVER work for Kerry.

27 posted on 03/04/2004 11:35:11 AM PST by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Jeffrey Dahmer, and Timothy McVeigh)
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To: onyx
Great find, ETOM. Boy, oh boy, is Kerry a disaster!
28 posted on 03/04/2004 11:35:27 AM PST by nopardons
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To: sixmil
Your tinfoil is wrapped far too tightly and has completely cut off the blood from your brain.
29 posted on 03/04/2004 11:36:55 AM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Hey, ETOM. Really good to see you at such a decent hour for both of us. :)
30 posted on 03/04/2004 11:42:07 AM PST by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Jeffrey Dahmer, and Timothy McVeigh)
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To: onyx
Unusual for me,I know, and I really should be elsewhere, but oh well. LOL

This thread has some really eye opening info.

31 posted on 03/04/2004 11:45:30 AM PST by nopardons
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To: upchuck

After a period of time, however, the dreaded “amnesty” word worked its way out of the Kerry lexicon on the subject. In its place -- the more refined and neater: “earned legalization”:

“I support an earned legalization proposal that will allow undocumented immigrants to legalize their status if they have been in the United States for a certain amount of time, have been working, and can pass a background check. This makes sense for the economy, provides fairness to people in our communities who have worked hard and paid taxes, and will also allow us to strengthen our homeland security by bringing undocumented workers out of the shadows.”

< -snip- >

As to Kerry’s opinion of the President’s proposed program: “We need comprehensive immigration reform; you can’t do just one piece. The president’s plan is a fraudulent plan. It’s fundamentally a plan for cheap labor.”

Harsh labels aside, Kerry finds himself bucking a President who is touting a plan that does not feature any sort of classic amnesty:

“I oppose amnesty -- placing undocumented workers on the automatic path to citizenship,” Bush said, when announcing his own proposal. “Granting amnesty encourages the violation of our laws and perpetuates illegal immigration. America’s a welcoming country. But citizenship must not be the automatic reward for violating the laws of America.”

Bush, among other things, wants to up the number of “green” cards that allow immigrants to work lawfully in the U.S. Currently about 140,000 “green cards” are issued each year to people wanting to migrate to the United States.

The differences between the Kerry Amnesty and the Bush Amnesty are largely cosmetic and semantic. Both would legalize millions of Illegals, and enable them to eventually get green cards and citizenship. Kerry's initial proposal would legalize more than Bush's, but the differences would probably narrow as either passed through Congress.

Kerry does seem to be a little more comfortable than Bush is in honestly calling his Amnesty for what it is.

Both the Kerry and Bush Amnesties are bad for the country, and need to be defeated.


32 posted on 03/04/2004 11:46:20 AM PST by Sabertooth (Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
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To: goldstategop
Pinging Sabertooth. Somehow I think this stuff will have him upchuck his breakfast! ;-)

Nah, both parties are malfeasant on Illegals, and all of the Presidential candidates from both sides were pro-Amnesty from the start of the race. No surprises here.

The best chances of defeating Amnesty remain in maintaining a solidly GOP House. The Senate, limpwrists will probably go along with the Bush Amnesty, and I am not of the mind to see Kerry elected and hope for gridlock that way.


33 posted on 03/04/2004 11:51:52 AM PST by Sabertooth (Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
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To: My2Cents
This kind of statement is red-meat to the Immigration Hawks. Anything short of rounding up everyone here illegally at gunpoint and dropping them back into Mexico (preferrably from an altitude of about 10,000 feet) is "amnesty."

That's nonsense, of course.

Legalizing Illegal Aliens = Amnesty.

To suggest otherwise is as dishonest as saying that "is" isn't "is," and Lewinskies aren't sex.

At some point, I fully expect to see posters on this forum saying:

"So? Everyone lies about Amnesty."


34 posted on 03/04/2004 11:55:40 AM PST by Sabertooth (Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
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To: Sabertooth
Good posts.
35 posted on 03/04/2004 12:00:22 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: My2Cents
This kind of statement is red-meat to the Immigration Hawks. Anything short of rounding up everyone here illegally at gunpoint and dropping them back into Mexico (preferrably from an altitude of about 10,000 feet) is "amnesty."

Similarly, to the "Immigration Doves", anything short of a 3000 square foot home and $250,000 welcoming gift is "a crackdown on illegals".

That statement makes about as much sense as your original. Surely you know better than to spread this kind of hyperbole around.

36 posted on 03/04/2004 12:05:36 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Sabertooth
Kerry does seem to be a little more comfortable than Bush is in honestly calling his Amnesty for what it is.

Thanks again for your always erudite thoughts on this subject. Obviously Kerry is a paragon of honesty and should be supported. After all, we all know Bush is a RINO and must be flogged into submission .

Absolutely, Kerry is a man of principle and moral clarity. Thanks for calling that to our attention.

37 posted on 03/04/2004 12:09:33 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: gatorbait; onyx

38 posted on 03/04/2004 12:09:59 PM PST by EllaMinnow (The best days of America lie ahead GWB 2/23/04)
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To: redlipstick

What is that "thang" on that child's head?
39 posted on 03/04/2004 12:14:54 PM PST by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Jeffrey Dahmer, and Timothy McVeigh)
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To: onyx
It's his "thinking cap" so he can grow up to be a REAL conservative.
40 posted on 03/04/2004 12:17:59 PM PST by EllaMinnow (The best days of America lie ahead GWB 2/23/04)
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To: redlipstick

LOL-LOL-LOL --- gotcha. :)
41 posted on 03/04/2004 12:21:50 PM PST by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Jeffrey Dahmer, and Timothy McVeigh)
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To: redlipstick
ROTFLOL

Save that picture! :-)

42 posted on 03/04/2004 12:24:40 PM PST by nopardons
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To: gatorbait
Thanks again for your always erudite thoughts on this subject.

My pleasure.

Obviously Kerry is a paragon of honesty and should be supported.

Didn't say that. I noted with irony that Kerry is more straightforward about calling an Amnesty an Amnesty than Bush is. Didn't call him a paragon of anything, nor did I suggest it, nor did I suggest supporting him.

I believe I said The best chances of defeating Amnesty remain in maintaining a solidly GOP House. The Senate, limpwrists will probably go along with the Bush Amnesty, and I am not of the mind to see Kerry elected and hope for gridlock that way.

Lots of strawmen in your post, obviously.

Absolutely, Kerry is a man of principle and moral clarity. Thanks for calling that to our attention.

Got a link for where I did so?


43 posted on 03/04/2004 12:26:31 PM PST by Sabertooth (Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
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To: gatorbait
The only thing the Bush basher want, is to bash Bush -- this thread is an example.

Anyone who thinks there is no difference between Bush and Kerry is NO conservative and doesn't belong in a conservative forum.
44 posted on 03/04/2004 12:26:42 PM PST by FairOpinion ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country." --- G. W. Bush)
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To: All
Kerry: Citizenship For Anyone In US For Five Years
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1067615/posts
45 posted on 03/04/2004 12:28:01 PM PST by Hon
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To: Hon; FairOpinion

Excellent link Hon.

FO --- exactly right. Bush bashing is a blood sport around here all too often.
46 posted on 03/04/2004 12:35:53 PM PST by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Jeffrey Dahmer, and Timothy McVeigh)
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To: redlipstick; onyx
Awwww...aren't you two cute.
47 posted on 03/04/2004 12:41:23 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: FairOpinion
Not to mention the fact, that they also don't understand politics or how government works.Left to them, the Dems would hold every political office in perpetuity.
48 posted on 03/04/2004 12:42:27 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Sabertooth
Got a link for where I did so?

Well gosh, perhaps the implication in the post I responded to, not withstanding your disclaimer. Face it, there's not a thing Bush will do to appease you and the rest of the clowder here or on ElPeePee. You know it and so does everyone who's followed your anti Bush rants., The "I want to help the president"still rings as hollow as when Jim Wright uttered that junk in the 80's. Frankly, you and the clowder do come up with great sounding things, but in reality, it's the same whining screed, posted with the same cute picture. I know, you'll deny, demand proof , and when it's handed to you, demand more. Reminds me of the press and the Dems screeching about the Bush's Guard records. Did you "help " them with that just like you're "helping" the President? Ah, don't bother, it'll be another self righteous screed with your kitty cat.What a man of principle! You and Honest John Kerry,the man who calls it what "it" is, til tomorrow of course.

Cordially,

49 posted on 03/04/2004 12:47:24 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: NittanyLion; redlipstick
Awwww...aren't you two cute.

Hey, redlipstick, LOOK what the KITTY dragged in. They're a duo.

50 posted on 03/04/2004 12:47:56 PM PST by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Jeffrey Dahmer, and Timothy McVeigh)
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