Rally for militarized border set (Calling all Arizona FReepers)

Tucson Citizen ^ | 4 March 2004 | Luke Turf

[Spiff]

A state representative and a retired Border Patrol chief are among expected speakers Saturday at a rally to support militarization of the U.S.-Mexico border. American Border Patrol, a Sierra Vista-based group that documents suspected illegal immigration in Arizona and broadcasts it on the Internet, organized the rally.

[CWOJackson]

Kind of reminds me of the people you see trying to drive a nail with a cresent wrench, or set a screw with a hammer. The just don't understand the relationship between the job and the proper tool.

[sfRummygirl]

Hey, GOOD FOR YOU GUYS!
Is this the grassroots watchdog group that was being threatened? They have some equipment and were going to get some helicopters too?

[sfRummygirl]

I hope you guys get a ton of folks. This is great.

[JackelopeBreeder]

Let me put this mathematically: 800 Border Patrol agents versus 700,000 fence jumpers. Does that seem a little one-sided, maybe?

[CWOJackson]

Sure does. Then add into that the fact that our northern border is many times larger then the southern. And the annoying detail that the two largest Islamic Fundlementalist enclaves outside of the Arab world are sitting in Canada just a few miles from our border...in a nation that pretty much ignores them.

Add to the mix the facts that the 9/11 terrorists and the gent trying to smuggle a car load of explosives down to LA came through those enclaves and the northern border poses the greatest terrorist threat between the two borders.

Now policing the northern border, with the many miles of northern wilds, mountains, lakes, rivers is one hell of a problem.

All very good reason for increasing the ranks and capabilities of the border patrol for sure.

[Spiff]

Now policing the northern border, with the many miles of northern wilds, mountains, lakes, rivers is one hell of a problem.

How many invaders make it across the Canadian border every year? Does it amount anywhere in the millions?

All very good reason for increasing the ranks and capabilities of the border patrol for sure.

I agree. Increase the capabilities and ranks of the Border Patrol. But, until then, shall we just leave the borders wide open?

[CWOJackson]

"How many invaders make it across the Canadian border every year? Does it amount anywhere in the millions?"

Enough to fly two planes into the world trade center and one into the Pentagon.

"How many invaders make it across the Canadian border every year? Does it amount anywhere in the millions?"

Psssst. I hate to break this to you sparky but our military folks, including our reserve and guard elements, are over stretched as it is...they're in need of serious relief themselves. A minor little fact that must of been over looked by the local "commanders".

[ETERNAL WARMING]

Bless you guys! Wish I could be there! Sigh. Take pics, lots of pics.

[Spiff]

Enough to fly two planes into the world trade center and one into the Pentagon.

True. So let's avoid a similar incident along with the slow motion terrorism and body count caused by our wide open southern border.

Psssst. I hate to break this to you sparky but our military folks, including our reserve and guard elements, are over stretched as it is...they're in need of serious relief themselves. A minor little fact that must of been over looked by the local "commanders".

Are you attempting to belittle me with your weak-ass mockery or the more knowledgeable former military types who have weighed in on this subject? Psssst , Chief, I've got 2 retired U.S. Army colonels (o ne a combat veteran) right here in my little town on the front lines of this invasion who could easily go toe to toe with you on this subject. And they're just the ones that I have on my speed dial.

As for the only legitimate point that you have yet raised, I'm aware that our armed forces are stretched right now. But we should not leave the homeland unguarded no matter what.

Columnist Mike Blair did some research and found, among the many troop deployments around the globe, the following numbers of U.S. troops in foreign countries:

Portugal 3,000
Italy 11,190
Great Britain 11,207
Japan 40,159
So. Korea 38,565
Turkey 2,008
Germany 69,203

Now, I know a lot of these have been redeployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. But we only need a battalion or two down here. They sure had no problem finding 500 marines to send into Haiti to deal with a problem there. I'm sure we can spare a few from guarding someone else's borders to come and guard our own.

[CWOJackson]

"Are you attempting to belittle me with your weak-ass mockery or the more knowledgeable former military types..."

Naw, you and your military "commanders" are doing a good enough job on your own.

[CWOJackson]

Oh, you might want to consult some of your military geniues there and ask them the effective radius that a couple of Battalions can cover, and don't forget the logistics types that you will need to support them...then compare that to the Mexican border.

[Spiff]

Oh, you might want to consult some of your military geniues there and ask them the effective radius that a couple of Battalions can cover, and don't forget the logistics types that you will need to support them...then compare that to the Mexican border.

The BP has most of the border effectively covered. We need rapid reaction troops to cover the hotspots. We need intel, surveillance equipment, processing, etc. And you're not taking into account the psychological effect this action would have on potential border intruders. If we acted half way serious about securing our borders most potential intruders would not even make the attempt.

[CWOJackson]

"And you're not taking into account the psychological effect this action would have on potential border intruders."

LOL! And you're not taking into account the psychological effect it would have on our already over stretched military, active duty and reserve/guard.

[JustPiper]

Looking forward to your after report!

[NewRomeTacitus]

History, Chief. They were fleeing in droves long before Ike's troops came through.

“When the Operation kicked in, 4,800 illegals were arrested the first day. Arrests stabilized to about 1,100 per day. Note that this was accomplished by a govt. force of ONLY 700 men! The figures as to how many illegals were actually deported are disputed, but it was certainly in the hundreds of thousands — with a 6-figure number also for those who fled back to Mexico to avoid being rounded up.”
More details can be found here: http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/OO/pqo1.html

Surprising how, 50 years ago, the same problems existed that are plaguing the Southwest today. A roundup enacted by a strong leader did not ruin the local economies nor foment chaos in Mexico (though the latter would be best for its citizens today, IMHO).

Just like the terrorists have redefined war Mexico has redefined invasion. In each case doing nothing equals giving up, and failure is not acceptable. If there's any chance civil assembly/protest/whatever may help get the CinC to stop acting like McClellan waiting for the breeze to blow just right and perform his sworn duty then these people have the right, yea, the civic duty to do so. The smugglers and their corrupt, uniform-clad protectors have lately taken to shooting into our side of the border and crossing over with impunity. These citizens, especially those in Cochise County, deserve some real help.
What law enforcement they have available is really stretched thin.

[CWOJackson]

Heck, all you need are a few more border patrol officers. According to ol' Spiff there: "The BP has most of the border effectively covered. We need rapid reaction troops to cover the hotspots."

Since the border patrol apparently has most of the border already effectively covered you just need to fill in the gaps with some more border patrol and maybe a few more local cops for these hot spots. No need to bother the military for a couple of hot spots.

[sasafras]

Spiff _ I plan to be there and I will also be at the PAN table across from the TCC today at the Sean Hannity book tour. Let me know what you'll be wearing so I can introduce myself. Take it easy.

[sauropod]

Ping.

[sauropod]

I suggest you head on down to El Paso, look across the river there (at Juarez) and ask yourself one question:

"Do I really want that here?

A militarized border is a must. Your premise is faulty.

[CWOJackson]

A militarized border is for the old Soviet Union...we don't need it.