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In age of outsourcing, do the old rules apply?
Christian Science Monitor ^ | March 5, 2004 | David R. Francis |

Posted on 03/04/2004 5:08:36 PM PST by sarcasm

The trend has made globalization a dirty word even to many well-heeled professionals. It has made software engineering look like a risky major for American college kids. And it has made India suddenly relevant - in terms of US jobs and pocket cash, not nuclear warheads and Kashmir.

"Offshore outsourcing" is stirring anxiety, and with good reason. America's white-collar work force is experiencing the kind of vulnerability once felt mainly on assembly lines. Entire industries such as software have felt the shockwaves. Employers are signing up firms abroad to supply skilled services such as radiology and architecture.

Some economists, including erstwhile free-traders, now worry that the offshoring trend reflects a fundamentally new situation. Instant and cheap communication, coupled with the rise of millions of newly educated workers in low-wage nations, creates the risk of a rapid shift of jobs.

"It has never before happened," says former Reagan administration economist Paul Craig Roberts.

Most economists say the age-old benefits of unfettered global commerce still apply. But the rising debate could have far-reaching policy implications - possibly slowing the trend toward globalization that many credit with raising living standards worldwide in recent years. Now, even if the outsourcing threat is overblown, it could help put the brakes on globalization.

High wage earners, long the strongest supporters of free trade in the past, have lost much of their enthusiasm for it. Any new effort to liberalize trade could face a hard slog in Congress.

The rapid shift in national mood is reflected in a survey last month by the University of Maryland's Program on International Policy Attitudes. It found that 40 percent of Americans now see globalization as positive, down from 53 percent in 1999. Nineteen percent see it as mostly negative, and 39 percent are neutral.

Perhaps the most revealing shift is among high-income Americans. Only 28 percent of those making more than $100,000 a year support active promotion of free trade, down from 57 percent in 1999, according to a breakdown of the survey data sought by USA Today.

Most economists support freer trade, international investment, and a freer labor market - all enablers of offshore outsourcing. Though it may cause short-term job loss and other disruptions, the long-term effect is to raise living standards, they say.

But a few economists charge that economists' old trade theory no longer applies.

Mr. Roberts cites the classic theory of David Ricardo, a 19th-century British economist, that exports of a specific good would be won by nations with a "comparative advantage" in producing that good. A producer had better technology, cheap raw materials, low wages, more education, or some other advantage. All nations engaged in such trade would eventually benefit in higher living standards. But that thesis, says Mr. Roberts, hung on the idea that the "factors of production" - plants, equipment, etc. - are relatively hard to move. Increasingly, that is no longer the case.After the cold war ...

The demise of communism and socialism has invalidated this old trade theory, Roberts says. Cheap labor in Eastern Europe, not to mention burgeoning China, has suddenly and eagerly joined the global work force. India, a long-socialist economy, has an added advantage: Millions of people with English skills.

In many cases, low shipping and communication costs make it feasible to produce abroad and send the output back to the US at a cost saving for the company.

"Any worker whose job does not require daily face-to-face interaction is now in jeopardy of being replaced by a lower-paid, equally skilled worker thousands of miles away," Roberts wrote recently with Sen. Charles Schumer (D) of New York.

About 14 million jobs, or 11 percent of the US total, are at risk of being sent abroad, estimates McKinsey & Co., a management consulting firm.

John Williamson, an economist at the pro-trade Institute for International Economics in Washington, calls the Roberts thesis "a load of nonsense." The US economy, when it is firing properly, creates more than 2 million jobs a year, enough to offset losses to India or other nations. And many of these jobs will be paying well.

The classic argument is that while trade costs some jobs, it helps create more by helping the overall economy grow faster. Consumers benefit as prices for goods and services drop. And in some cases, when a company locates some jobs abroad the costs savings allow other jobs to be created at home.

Moreover, economists of all stripes agree that US jobs are disappearing - and being created - for many reasons other than outsourcing. In manufacturing, for instance, the key factor behind job losses is rising productivity.

But that doesn't diminish the dislocation caused by outsourcing. And critics aren't confident that jobs lost overseas will be replaced by well-paid jobs in the US, especially in the short term.

William Baumol, a well-known trade economist at New York University, holds that the Ricardian model "needs extension and modification" to deal with today's outsourcing issue.'Do something'

Globalization, he writes in an e-mail, "should enhance overall world welfare, but at the immediate and extreme expense of the workers in the US who lose their jobs or suffer wage cuts as a result ... it is indefensible to ignore these effects and fail to do something about them." Even in the long run, outsourcing "may reduce per capita US income or hold back its growth," he adds.

Dean Baker, an economist with the Center for Economic and Policy Research in Washington, says that outsourcing of jobs has been limited so far to those with less political clout. By going to politicians for protection, medical doctors in the US limit the number of foreign interns. US doctors' incomes are twice the average in most industrial nations. Lawyers have not standardized law sufficiently so far to let some jobs go abroad.

Politicians are trying to figure out if there are ways to discourage outsourcing without killing trade and international investment with its benefits.

Sen. Christopher Dodd (D) of Connecticut has introduced the United States Workers Protection Act, which would prohibit taxpayer dollars (tax deductions) from being used for offshore outsourcing related to work paid for with federal funds.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: outsourcin; outsourcing; trade
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1 posted on 03/04/2004 5:08:37 PM PST by sarcasm
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To: A. Pole; harpseal
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2 posted on 03/04/2004 5:09:35 PM PST by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: sarcasm
Politicians are trying to figure out if there are ways to discourage outsourcing without killing trade and international investment with its benefits.

Yes. Lower the corporate tax rate. Impose tariffs on countries that impose tariffs on us.

3 posted on 03/04/2004 5:16:14 PM PST by MegaSilver
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To: sarcasm
Free traders leave out one of the most fundamental
assumptions that was used as a basis for the argument that "free trade is good".

The assumption in the early economic models of free trade was that there would be a free flow of capital AND labor in both directions.

That is NOT a realistic model of what's happening today.
4 posted on 03/04/2004 5:19:38 PM PST by EEDUDE (Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.)
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To: EEDUDE; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; Jhoffa_; FITZ; arete; FreedomPoster; Red Jones; Pyro7480; ..
The assumption in the early economic models of free trade was that there would be a free flow of capital AND labor in both directions. That is NOT a realistic model of what's happening today.

Good point. American workers will not get easily the work visas in China, India or even in Western Europe. And the few who could will have to abandon their families and friends. Also the knowledge of local language might be required.

First generation immigrants might have it easier. They can follow their jobs in the country of origin.

CEOs and shareholders do not need to migrate - they can move their assets with the click of mouse.

5 posted on 03/04/2004 6:02:39 PM PST by A. Pole (The genocide of Albanians was stopped in its tracks before it began.)
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To: A. Pole
Thanks for the ping! It has made software engineering look like a risky major for American college kids.

Yes...to the point where fewer are signing up for technical degree plans. Where will our next generation of scientists and engineers come from? They won't!

Ahh, well. Perhaps we can compete for jobs on our Chinese (or Indian?) masters' plantations.

6 posted on 03/04/2004 6:12:10 PM PST by neutrino (Oderint dum metuant: Let them hate us, so long as they fear us.)
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To: A. Pole
I already see issue of IT/Project Manager demand of Americans to China and India...these posted in job boards for Americans...soon US will have what it give Britian, Germany and Soviet Union and for time China/India, etc: brain drain...peoples of quality will follow monies and will learn language: places I see US intellect go: 1. Ireland, 2. New Zealand, 3. Russia, 4. India and last China...in that order.
7 posted on 03/04/2004 6:12:36 PM PST by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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To: A. Pole
There's another aspect to all of this. I've had a number of things break in my home over the last couple of weeks, all things that were supposedly good quality products, but that all turned out to be cheap "Made in China" junk. Brand name goods, top dollar things that were supposed to be good for years and years, but that didn't last 24 months.

From here on out I'm only going to buy what I absolutely need, only the barest minimum of that, and the cheapest, cheapest cheap cheap cheap of the cheap. Why not? It's not like you can buy anything of any quality any more. Nothing is made with any quality nowadays, the more you pay for anything the more you're getting burned. I've learned my lesson. From here on out I now realize that quality is an obsolete notion, it's only the cheapest of the cheapest for me from here on.
8 posted on 03/04/2004 6:17:05 PM PST by Elliott Jackalope (We send our kids to Iraq to fight for them, and they send our jobs to India. Now THAT'S gratitude!)
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To: sarcasm
I can see from the article that Chuck Schumer and Christopher Dodd are ready to help in any way they can.
9 posted on 03/04/2004 6:51:16 PM PST by Huber (FReepers eat marginalization and ostracism for breakfast!)
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To: sarcasm
I think the long-term threat of offshoring s/w development is overstated. Yea, America will shed some jobs (and it will hurt), but many of these experiments will crash and burn. Why? There's something unique and special about being able to walk down the hall and talk to a developer whose work you are paying for. Work done 6,000(?) miles away, with only phone access (or, heaven forbid, get on a 747 and fly 15 hours), in a third-world country with a different culture, graduating from colleges you know nothing about, is RISKY. Plus, there's that whole problematic software as a strategic asset thing.

Call centers, radiologic analysis, financial analysis, tax prep - yea, many jobs at risk, but not all. Most cubicle-dwelling jobs in America - I think the risk is overstated. Word.

10 posted on 03/04/2004 7:07:51 PM PST by searchandrecovery (Do as I say, not as I do.)
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To: A. Pole
Very well-put.
11 posted on 03/04/2004 8:05:01 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: sarcasm
Some economists, including erstwhile free-traders, now worry that the offshoring trend reflects a fundamentally new situation. Instant and cheap communication, coupled with the rise of millions of newly educated workers in low-wage nations, creates the risk of a rapid shift of jobs. "It has never before happened," says former Reagan administration economist Paul Craig Roberts.

Gets a little tiring playing Cassandra here. But here it goes again...

Beware of betting the future on things "that have never happened before."

Sheesh, not even 6 years ago we were reading about how this new World Wide Web thingy had made brick-and-morter retail obsolete. The writing was on the wall. The new technology had fundamentally changed old assumptions. Everything was going to be different now.

Anyone still betting on that one?

More importantly, is there any reason to believe we've truly figured out where all this offshore stuff is going with a whole.. maybe 2-3 years of experience with it? With as many horror stories as success stories? With the effects on long-term expectations still unknown?

This one isn't decided yet folks. I'm still not convinced that India's IT industry is our equal, let alone our superior. Not by a long-shot.

12 posted on 03/04/2004 8:12:15 PM PST by Snuffington
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I can see from the article that Chuck Schumer and Christopher Dodd are ready to help in any way they can.

They know where their bread is buttered and the Republicans will be sucking hind tit on this one.

13 posted on 03/04/2004 8:28:45 PM PST by lewislynn (The successful globalist employee will be the best educated, working for the lowest possible wage.)
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To: Snuffington
This one isn't decided yet folks. I'm still not convinced that India's IT industry is our equal, let alone our superior. Not by a long-shot.

No but the corporate mindset is exposed and it looks like they can't be relied upon or trusted anymore.

14 posted on 03/04/2004 8:31:50 PM PST by lewislynn (The successful globalist employee will be the best educated, working for the lowest possible wage.)
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To: lewislynn
No but the corporate mindset is exposed and it looks like they can't be relied upon or trusted anymore.

The corporate mindset is somewhere between pack animals and weasels. But that's not new. That's why they fell so hard for the dot-com bubble then. That's why they're falling so hard for the offshore "bubble" now.

Not one in ten corporations are going about offshoring with proper understanding of what they're doing. They're focused on either keeping up with the fad, or hiding their financial ineptitude by quickly lowering quarterly labor costs.

15 posted on 03/04/2004 8:36:03 PM PST by Snuffington
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To: sarcasm
Globalization, he writes in an e-mail, "should enhance overall world welfare, but at the immediate and extreme expense of the workers in the US who lose their jobs or suffer wage cuts as a result

Global redistribution of wealth (socialism) at our expense only.

Conservatives for redistribution of wealth?...Lots of them here at FR.

16 posted on 03/04/2004 8:37:33 PM PST by lewislynn (The successful globalist employee will be the best educated, working for the lowest possible wage.)
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To: sarcasm; NRA2BFree
John Williamson, an economist at the pro-trade Institute for International Economics in Washington, calls the Roberts thesis "a load of nonsense." The US economy, when it is firing properly, creates more than 2 million jobs a year, enough to offset losses to India or other nations. And many of these jobs will be paying well.

Repeat after me, John . . . "Outsourcing is good. Outsourcing is right. Outsourcing works."

17 posted on 03/04/2004 10:19:08 PM PST by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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Lawyers have not standardized law sufficiently so far to let some jobs go abroad.

Knock me over with a feather! /sarcasm

18 posted on 03/04/2004 10:21:17 PM PST by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: MegaSilver
Impose tariffs on countries that impose tariffs on us.

It really isn't that hard to figure out, is it?

19 posted on 03/04/2004 10:22:24 PM PST by squidly (Money is inconvenient for them: give them victuals and an arse-clout, it is enough.)
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To: searchandrecovery
Work done 6,000(?) miles away, with only phone access (or, heaven forbid, get on a 747 and fly 15 hours), in a third-world country with a different culture, graduating from colleges you know nothing about, is RISKY. Plus, there's that whole problematic software as a strategic asset thing.

Ah, but they're not graduating from foreign universities. At least not all of them. Visit your local neighborhood university one of these days, and take a walk through the quad of an engineering or computer science department, and tell me if you hear the English language spoken.

Those cheap third world tech workers are being educated right here, underwritten by either their government or our own, or a combination of both.

20 posted on 03/04/2004 10:26:38 PM PST by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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