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Krauthammer: "Gibson's Blood Libel"
Washington Post ^ | Mar. 5, 04 | Charles Krauthammer

Posted on 03/04/2004 10:24:16 PM PST by churchillbuff

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To: stands2reason
Thank you. I'm trying to keep up with notable Jews who support either the film itself or consider it fair enough.

Medved, Lapin, Seigel, Bruckheimer, and some guy with Netanyahu had a column in the JP last week. I'm sure there are more....well, dang I know there are....a fair number of Jewish FReepers as well...not all but more than a few.

There are very very few Conservative Christians against the film and usually sadly because of some dumb archaic post Reformation garbage.

Thanks.
51 posted on 03/04/2004 11:01:17 PM PST by wardaddy (A man better believe in something or he'll fall for anything.)
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To: wardaddy
Oh, now THAT hurts even more to read.

I don't suppose there's any possibility he's changed his mind in the past decade?
52 posted on 03/04/2004 11:01:29 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: Betaille
What you mean we missed you? Dang. When are these continuous predictions of anti-Semitic rampages going to appear?
53 posted on 03/04/2004 11:02:42 PM PST by Texasforever (When democrats attack it is called campaigning)
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To: Betaille
I was moved to violence after the film. The Romans were so cruel to Jesus that I walked around the mall for hours after the movie looking for some Romanian butt to kick begore I calmed down.
54 posted on 03/04/2004 11:02:48 PM PST by FreedomSurge
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To: churchillbuff
With the notable exception of a few Romans, these people are Jews. And in the story, they come off rather badly.

The Romans come off far worse than the Jews, and there are far more noble Jews than there are Romans in the film

Because of that peculiarity, the crucifixion is not just a story; it is a story with its own story -- a history of centuries of relentless, and at times savage, persecution of Jews in Christian lands.

Not in America.

Which is what makes Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" such a singular act of interreligious aggression. He openly rejects the Vatican II teaching and, using every possible technique of cinematic exaggeration, gives us the pre-Vatican II story of the villainous Jews.

Krauthammer's incomprehending screed, easily his worst ever, is starting to look like an act of interreligious aggression.

Of course their were villainous, stiff-necked, rebellious Jews in the Gospels and the New Testament. Why would it be any different than the Old Testament?

Is the Old Testament also an anti-Semitic document?

And Gibson's personal interpretation is spectacularly vicious. Three of the Gospels have but a one-line reference to Jesus's scourging. The fourth has no reference at all. In Gibson's movie this becomes 10 minutes of the most unremitting sadism in the history of film. ....

The opening scriptural reference is to Isaiah 53, which along with Chapter 52 prophesies the scourging and mutilation of Christ far more than do the Gospels.

In none of the Gospels does the high priest Caiaphas stand there with his cruel, impassive fellow priests witnessing the scourging. In Gibson's movie they do. When it comes to the Jews, Gibson deviates from the Gospels -- glorying in his artistic vision -- time and again. He bends, he stretches, he makes stuff up. And these deviations point overwhelmingly in a single direction -- to the villainy and culpability of the Jews

And with the Romans.

Satan appears four times. Not one of these appearances occurs in the four Gospels. They are pure invention. Twice, this sinister, hooded, androgynous embodiment of evil is found . . . where? Moving among the crowd of Jews.

Satan was attempting to see to it that the King of the Jews was murdered.

Perhaps this should not be surprising, coming from a filmmaker whose public pronouncements on the Holocaust are as chillingly ambiguous and carefully calibrated as that of any sophisticated Holocaust denier

In the close-ups of the nails being driven into Jesus' hands, it is Mel Gibson's own hands that do the deed.

Not a Jew's hands. Not a Roman's hands. Mel Gibson's own hands.

The guilt is on all of us. This was Gibson's way of showing what Paul taught: that we are all accountable for the Crucifixion.

We all put Christ on the Cross.


55 posted on 03/04/2004 11:03:15 PM PST by Sabertooth (Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
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To: churchillbuff
Krauthammer is also a gun-grabber who thinks only the military and police need firearms in a civilized society.

Quite an ignorant opinion, from one who lost unarmed family to the well-armed German military and police in the Nazi Holocaust.

57 posted on 03/04/2004 11:04:08 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: churchillbuff
Oh gee .... now you all have to hate Krauthammer too. That's tough. Can't let a little thing like normal human respect amoungst the races get in the way of your crusade though. Buh bye Chuck. Your fair weather friends will not miss you.
58 posted on 03/04/2004 11:04:40 PM PST by mercy
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To: FreedomSurge
Yeah, didn't you just want to march into the nearest supermarket and smash all the bottles of Pompeiian Olive Oil????
59 posted on 03/04/2004 11:04:54 PM PST by drlevy88
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To: ambrose
I have a weird interpretation of that passage.
Instead of a curse, what if it was a blessing in disguise?
["to bless" originally meant "to cover in blood"]
His blood was upon them and their children, and all the rest of -us- and our children, too.
Without His blood upon us, we'd all be headed to Hell with no hope at all.
God took Satan's plan to destroy Jesus and turned it around to provide salvation to the whole world, instead.
God wrote the book on taking seemingly awful things and working them around for the good. [Joseph and his brothers, for a good OT example]
"His blood be upon us" is actually a wonderful thing, if we accept it.

That's just my opinion and probably why I don't "blame the Jews". [or the Romans, either, for that matter, when it was all of our sin that killed Him]
It was really more a fulfillment of prophecy statement than "curse".
His was the blood of the lamb to be spread on *all* door posts.


60 posted on 03/04/2004 11:04:54 PM PST by Salamander
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To: churchillbuff





The neoconservatives demand loyalty from the evangelicals, for Israel, but a lot of them in their heart repay that loyalty with contempt and hatred for the evangelicals' religion.

And what is the response of the Christian to be?


61 posted on 03/04/2004 11:06:12 PM PST by Sabertooth (Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
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To: giotto
Anyone (like Krauthammer) who opines that civilized societies should be disarmed, except for the police and military, is worse than a lowlife creep.
62 posted on 03/04/2004 11:06:34 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Mr. Mojo
LOL

Barely.....everybody likes Krauthammer's wardog tenacity but sadly...he's quite flawed.

I remember when he was a pragmatic liberal at TNR back in the early 80s before he went Neon.
63 posted on 03/04/2004 11:06:45 PM PST by wardaddy (A man better believe in something or he'll fall for anything.)
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To: Outraged
and the number of 6,000,000 is questionable at best.

ooh yer gonna get flamed

64 posted on 03/04/2004 11:07:20 PM PST by drlevy88
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To: thoughtomator
None of my Jewish friends who have seen this film have had any complaints either. It seem most of the criticism from Jews is coming from high-profile media types or liberal rabbis.
65 posted on 03/04/2004 11:07:26 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: mercy
races? who said anything about races?
66 posted on 03/04/2004 11:08:24 PM PST by drlevy88
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To: giotto




On the contrary, Krauthammer is one of the clearest thinking, most articulate conservative voices in the media. I can almost always count on his insight on difficult issues. For him to deliver this stinging indictment of the movie is enough to make me stop and think. Since I haven't seen it yet, I will suspend my judgement until after I do.

Krauthammer took a holiday from clear thinking with this rant.


67 posted on 03/04/2004 11:09:54 PM PST by Sabertooth (Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
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To: drlevy88
Excepting the fixture of a space-time continuum.
68 posted on 03/04/2004 11:10:26 PM PST by SevenDaysInMay (Federal judges and justices serve for periods of good behavior, not life. Article III sec. 1)
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To: churchillbuff
And I thought Charles was one of the good guys.
69 posted on 03/04/2004 11:11:08 PM PST by tinamina
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To: Salamander
Instead of a curse, what if it was a blessing in disguise?

It's a biblical irony, since Jesus gave His blood so as to be a blessing to the Jews (and the Gentiles). The original mob did not have that in mind of course... they were uttering a taunt "go ahead, count us responsible for his killing, we don't care."

70 posted on 03/04/2004 11:11:19 PM PST by drlevy88
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To: hellinahandcart
Funny...Krauthammer inspires a lot of " Say it Ain't so Joe" from folks....that's how I felt when someone pointed out the gun control rhetoric a couple of years ago.
71 posted on 03/04/2004 11:11:44 PM PST by wardaddy (A man better believe in something or he'll fall for anything.)
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To: wardaddy
Occasionally I write letters to columnists offering my feedback to their work, and about half the time I get a reply. Kraut may be too much of a bigshot these days to converse with someone like me, but I'd like to write him and ask him if his views on gun control have changed since that WP article was written (in '96). It wouldn't surprise me in the least if it were an issue he wanted to say far away from, though. .....given his (fairly) recent "conservative credentials."
72 posted on 03/04/2004 11:12:41 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: ClancyJ
A war has been waged against Christians in the USA for 45 years. The bigotry against Christians by liberal,ethnic Jews is a sight to behold. The hypocrisy of these Jews speaking about "tolerance" is most glaring.

Michael Medved is the only prominent Hebrew who isn't sqealing about "Passion". I credit him for his level-head.
73 posted on 03/04/2004 11:13:32 PM PST by Finalapproach29er (" Permitting homosexuality didn't work out very well for the Roman Empire")
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To: SevenDaysInMay
"Who is, and was, and is to come"
"The Alpha and the Omega; the First and the Last"

He's got that space-time continuum base covered.....:)
74 posted on 03/04/2004 11:13:39 PM PST by Salamander
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To: thoughtomator
I haven't seen it yet mainly to avoid being packed like a sardine in a theater. I may see it in the middle of next week when it's easier for the crowd to spread out in the theater.

Perhaps there are Jews who are hyper sensitive and see antisemtism where there isn't any. While there has been a history in Europe of pograms starting after passion plays, I have never heard of such a pogram occurring in the US. I still have not heard of any antisemitc violence caused by anyone who had just seen this movie. I'm sure if there had been, the media would have coverd it 24/7.

75 posted on 03/04/2004 11:14:57 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Travis McGee
Anyone (like Krauthammer) who opines that civilized societies should be disarmed, except for the police and military, is worse than a lowlife creep.

And has a d*mned poor sense of history. Did guns ever rise up and provoke civil unrest? Last I looked, only people did. And the idyllic view of Britain and Canada? Hello, there is lotsa crime there too (violent and otherwise), even though it's not splashed all over American news headlines.

76 posted on 03/04/2004 11:16:06 PM PST by drlevy88
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To: Paleo Conservative
It's already one of the most widely seen movies ever made, and there is not a single antisemitic incident attributable to it, even indirectly.
77 posted on 03/04/2004 11:16:46 PM PST by thoughtomator (Political Correctness is fascism)
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To: drlevy88
And the bottom line, historically, is that all of the great genocides occurred only AFTER the necessary step of civilian disarmament.
78 posted on 03/04/2004 11:17:43 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: churchillbuff
The biggest box office smash of all time.
Sorry, Charlie.
79 posted on 03/04/2004 11:18:01 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Finalapproach29er
Michael Medved is the only prominent Hebrew who isn't sqealing about "Passion". I credit him for his level-head.

Rabbi Lapin has expressed similar views to Medved, as have a few other prominent Jews/rabbis. But alas, they're in the minority. However, I suspect that once the firestorm has calmed many who have been complaining will come to their senses and realize their fears have been unfounded.

80 posted on 03/04/2004 11:19:53 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Outraged
and the number of 6,000,000 is questionable at best.

What would be your number? 4 million? Does that then mean the Holocaust wasn't any big deal?

81 posted on 03/04/2004 11:21:14 PM PST by ambrose ("John Kerry has blood of American soldiers on his hands" - Lt. Col. Oliver North)
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To: Sabertooth
D'oh! Answering that's gotta hurt!
82 posted on 03/04/2004 11:22:18 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (<--Outsourced myself. The first $70K in income is IRS free!)
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To: lizma
Christian Europe did not allow Jews to own land and did not allow them to enter professions - this for more all the way through to the 20th century. Christians blamed the Jews for the bubonic plague and for any and all negative events which befell a community. Was the community got riled up, a Jewish community was no longer safe, and Christian pogroms ensued in which whole communities were wiped out after being incited against Jews for being "Christ killers." I was five years old when I was first told, "You killed my God." This by a hatefilled five year old, who was just repeating what he had heard at home and had just learned in Catholic school kindergarten. The Vatican recognizing the evil it had wrought over so many centuries, tried in its statement Nostra Aetate to reverse its millenia of incitement to hate and murder. Gibson has ignored his own church and set back Christian-Jewish relations big time. Gibson has taken much of his account of Christ's death from an 19th century nun who claimed to have seen visions of events 1900 years before her time. The devil character is Gibson's personal editorial of who hangs out with the Jews.
83 posted on 03/04/2004 11:24:52 PM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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hey, what's the "freeper" user name and password. The Compost wants me to register.
84 posted on 03/04/2004 11:26:59 PM PST by Jape
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To: giotto
Yeah, I'm thinking too. Though I abhor the sensless level of violence that Gibson has used as his main cenimatic tool in this movie I have defended him to my Jewish friends as NOT anti-semitic. My jewish wife and I have had a few heated discussions about it.

Now I don't know.

If a genius like Krauthammer is offended by this film I have to really pay attention to that.

We are not supposed to offend our brothers. Surely the Jews ARE our brothers.

There have been other very good movies made about Christ ... including well done scenes of the crucifiction. The Jews were not outraged. Why are they so hurt now? I think good christians need to ask themselves this question.
85 posted on 03/04/2004 11:29:14 PM PST by mercy
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To: Finalapproach29er
Medved is not a "hebrew".

He is an American and a fairly devout Jew and pretty good pal to Conservatism, Culture War and Christianity and should be respected.
86 posted on 03/04/2004 11:30:38 PM PST by wardaddy (A man better believe in something or he'll fall for anything.)
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
Gibson has ignored his own church and set back Christian-Jewish relations big time. Gibson has taken much of his account of Christ's death from an 19th century nun who claimed to have seen visions of events 1900 years before her time.

Seen the movie?

The devil character is Gibson's personal editorial of who hangs out with the Jews.

Sheer nonsense. Satan was defeated by a Jew.


87 posted on 03/04/2004 11:31:27 PM PST by Sabertooth (Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
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To: mercy
The cross is foolishness to Gentiles, and a stumbling block for the Jews.
88 posted on 03/04/2004 11:31:52 PM PST by drlevy88
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To: mercy
Why are they so hurt now?

Who is hurt? Who has been hurt? Who will be hurt? Should Christians be "hurt" that Judaism does not recognize Jesus as the Messiah?

89 posted on 03/04/2004 11:32:08 PM PST by Texasforever (When democrats attack it is called campaigning)
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To: thoughtomator
Thanks for your comment.

Dennis Prager, who says he was the first Jew to see the movie (in a prescreening some time ago), says that he believes Jews and Christians are seeing two totally different movies when they see 'Passion'. Christians focus on Jesus and his suffering while Jews tend to "see if the movie really IS anti-semitic".

As a Christian, I certainly didn't look to see if there was any "anti-semitism" in the film - - why would I? But I do know that Jesus himself was a Jew, as were Mary, Simon, Peter, May Magdelen, and a whole lot of other people central to Jesus' life and times.

I can say that I sure didn't come away from the movie feeling any animosity toward Jews. I mean, this stuff happened 2,000 friggin' years ago! If I am going to sneer at today's "reparations" crowd for trying to instill guilt in whites for what (some of) their ancestors did to slaves 150 years ago, then I am certainly not going to look at Jews and connect them in any way to what (some of) their ancestors may have done - - 2,000 years ago. How stupid and hypocritical would that be?

Regards,
LH

PS. This Krauthammer is an idiot.
90 posted on 03/04/2004 11:32:43 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: giotto
"But to call someone like Krauthammer a lowlife creep merely tells me you've never read him before this article."

May I interrupt? I have read him plenty of times before, and always agreed with him - until now.

I do not know about him being a "lowlife creep" (whatever TF that means - I HATE adjectives that have no definition).

I DO KNOW, after reading this piece, that he is an anti-Christian bigot.
91 posted on 03/04/2004 11:33:28 PM PST by Al Simmons (Proud BushBot since '94!)
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To: Travis McGee

92 posted on 03/04/2004 11:34:17 PM PST by wardaddy (A man better believe in something or he'll fall for anything.)
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To: thoughtomator
Anyone who says otherwise is, in my opinion, fabricating it.I don't think they're all fabricating I think it's possible that some were "primed" to see anti-semitism in it, by all the negative pre-release controversy. Which wasn't coming strictly from Jewish groups either, there were plenty of apostate Christians in clerical garb, or heading Religion departments at universities, who cheerfully added fuel to the fire in order to advance their revisionist agenda. I've reserved a lot of blame for them, those commie atheists. They have deceived Jews by pretending to be on their side, so that Jews who are upset about this movie will point to them as experts in Christian matters, who AGREE with them that the movie is unbiblical and antisemitic!

They think they have friends now in Christians who don't really believe in God, and that saddens me.

Scares me too.

93 posted on 03/04/2004 11:34:58 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: mercy
Don't break weak now...geez....Krauthammer is damned flawed.
94 posted on 03/04/2004 11:36:58 PM PST by wardaddy (A man better believe in something or he'll fall for anything.)
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To: churchillbuff
Boy are you ever wrong about Krauthammer! He's as far from an "ACLU jerk" as one can get. If you read his column regularly, you would know this. Krauthammer does not hate anyone, but he does know what it is to be hated and to have his entire people hated going back generations. He knows history. He knows that every Jewish family has lost thousands of people over the generations because of inciting portrayals such as Gibson's. The Jewish community has been decimated again and again throughout history at the hand of those who are whipped into a violent, sadistic rage by the local representatives of the Holy See. You might not like to hear that, but it is the case. If the shoe were on the other foot, you would understand. Jews hate violence and the sight of it; From what I have read, some Christians find the violence of the movie uplifting are dragging their kids to see this violence. Most Christian academics, who have actually studied what is really known about the first century, are as upset about the fictionalization of the facts, as is Krauthammer.
95 posted on 03/04/2004 11:39:33 PM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Sabertooth; Seeing More Clearly Now
Sheer nonsense. Satan was defeated by a Jew.

I was just about to make this point.

Also, it was Mel Gibson's own hand that drove the spike. It was a symbolic but very significant gesture. Maybe some of our Jewish friends aren't aware that he did that, or don't understand why.

96 posted on 03/04/2004 11:39:45 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet ("Lashing out" at Democrats since 1990.)
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To: hellinahandcart
good post
97 posted on 03/04/2004 11:40:03 PM PST by wardaddy (A man better believe in something or he'll fall for anything.)
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To: Al Simmons
I DO KNOW, after reading this piece, that he is an anti-Christian bigot.

I suspect Kraut is merely unnecessarily fearful (about a backlash against Jews as a result of people viewing this film) rather than a bigot. .....And his fear is clouding his capacity to reason.

98 posted on 03/04/2004 11:40:22 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: churchillbuff
---More anti-christian garbage from somebody who's revealing his true colors. ---

Many Jews are not just anti-Christian they're anti-religious, as are many non-Jews. As far as true colors go, I never heard Krauthammer express any special affection for the Cross or much of anything else of a religious nature.

I believe, as it is written, that The Holy Spirit goes out through the preaching of the Gospel. I have to acknowledge, however, that many people react very negatively to preaching. This movie may be a similar case. You can't force people to receive the Word after all.
99 posted on 03/04/2004 11:40:25 PM PST by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: mercy
Though I abhor the sensless level of violence that Gibson has used as his main cenimatic tool in this movie

It isn't senseless, it is accurate. Furthermore, the Blood Atonement of Christ has theological underpinnings. This is the Blood that washes away sins. It was innocent, and spilt for our sakes.

Christ's Blood is not gratuitous, it's essential to Salvation.

If a genius like Krauthammer is offended by this film I have to really pay attention to that.

It means Krauthammer has flaws.

We are not supposed to offend our brothers. Surely the Jews ARE our brothers.

And we are theirs. There is no offense intended in this film.

There have been other very good movies made about Christ ... including well done scenes of the crucifiction. The Jews were not outraged. Why are they so hurt now? I think good christians need to ask themselves this question.

No, good Jews need to ask themselves this question:

Why are they insisting on taking offense where there is none?

Before seeing the film, I heard Professor David Allen White of the Naval Academy offer his opinion. He said that "The Passion of the Christ" isn't a great movie, "it's a turning point in human History."

The controversey surrounding this film is not because of anything wrong with the movie.


100 posted on 03/04/2004 11:41:18 PM PST by Sabertooth (Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
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