[ambrose]

There's no "blood libel" in The Passion.

What part of "father, forgive them" do these idiots not understand? Any "Christian" who condemns Jews for the death of Jesus are repudiating their own religion which teaches that ALL OF MANKIND is responsible. I watched The Passion today, and I really don't understand why Krauthammer is protesting so loudly.

[Texas_Jarhead]

well said

[Salamander]

I have a weird interpretation of that passage.
Instead of a curse, what if it was a blessing in disguise?
["to bless" originally meant "to cover in blood"]
His blood was upon them and their children, and all the rest of -us- and our children, too.
Without His blood upon us, we'd all be headed to Hell with no hope at all.
God took Satan's plan to destroy Jesus and turned it around to provide salvation to the whole world, instead.
God wrote the book on taking seemingly awful things and working them around for the good. [Joseph and his brothers, for a good OT example]
"His blood be upon us" is actually a wonderful thing, if we accept it.

That's just my opinion and probably why I don't "blame the Jews". [or the Romans, either, for that matter, when it was all of our sin that killed Him]
It was really more a fulfillment of prophecy statement than "curse".
His was the blood of the lamb to be spread on *all* door posts.

[bimbo]

What part of "father, forgive them" do these idiots not understand? Any "Christian" who condemns Jews for the death of Jesus are repudiating their own religion which teaches that ALL OF MANKIND is responsible.

… and Krauthammer must come to realize that this was taught LONG BEFORE the Vatican II Council.

[vigilo]

"What part of "father, forgive them" do these idiots not understand? Any "Christian" who condemns Jews for the death of Jesus are repudiating their own religion which teaches that ALL OF MANKIND is responsible. I watched The Passion today, and I really don't understand why Krauthammer is protesting so loudly."

Yes, all of mankind is responsible, but it was the chief priests who deliverd Him up. And Jesus Himself said they had the greater guilt. Jesus said they were guilty. If you try to fudge this issue you are in danger of contradiction Christ.

[Hollywoodghost]

Also--many Jews in the Passion are Good Guys who do not go along with the Jewish leadership. I believe this fellow is looking at the film while wearing the blinders of history and nazi Germany. They must move on if they are to be taken seriously in the future.

[handk]

How would you, then, reconcile this passage?

I Thessalonians

2:10 You are witnesses, and so is God, of how holy, righteous and blameless we were among you who believed.
2:11 For you know that we dealt with each of you as a father deals with his own children,
2:12 encouraging, comforting and urging you to live lives worthy of God, who calls you into his kingdom and glory.
2:13 And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is at work in you who believe.
2:14 For you, brothers, became imitators of God's churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own countrymen the same things those churches suffered from the Jews,
2:15 who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to all men
2:16 in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last.

[EthanNorth]

ambrose: "Any "Christian" who condemns Jews for the death of Jesus are repudiating their own religion which teaches that ALL OF MANKIND is responsible"

Ethan: Certainly the mantra of modern American judeochristianity, but it has nothing to do with historic Biblical Christianity or the facts of history.

According to this Jewish PC damage control that "ambrose" has taken in hook, line and sinker, St. Paul, St. John, St. Matthew, St. Luke, Ignatius...all "repudiated" the Christian faith. Maybe it's ambrose that repudiated it by virtue of his "fear of the Jews." Something which merits serious consideration.

Now, "ambrose" is going to kick and scream and huff and puff with bluster, and great piety, but he is not doing so againt me in any sense -- the facts are clear, direct and well-documented from the inspired New Testament and the early church fathers (indeed, from Ignatius, disciple of St. John). "ambrose" will kick against the New Testament and cry "foul" against the Apostles of our Lord.

St. Paul repudiating the Christian faith:

"For ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men." (1 Thessalonians 2:14-15).

St. Luke repudiating the Christian faith:

"The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he [Pilot] had decided to let him go. You disowned the Holy and Righteous One and asked that a murderer be released to you. You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead. We are witnesses of this." (Acts 3:13-15)

St. John repudiating the Christian faith (St. John records how it was...the Irish that sought to kill Christ... no wait, how it was "everyone" that wanted him killed...no, John wrote that the Jews sought to have Him killed:

"For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God" (John 5:18).

St. Matthew repudiating the Christian faith:

"When Jesus had finished saying all these things, he said to his disciples, "As you know, the Passover is two days away--and the Son of Man will be handed over to be crucified." Then the chief priests and the elders of the people assembled in the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, and they plotted to arrest Jesus in some sly way and kill him. "But not during the Feast," they said, "or there may be a riot among the people" (Matthew 26:1-5).

St. Ignatius repudiating the Christian faith (St. Ignatius learned his Christian faith at the feet of St. John the apostle):

"The Word raised up again His own temple on the third day, when it had been destroyed by the Jews fighting against Christ. The Word, when His flesh was lifted up, after the manner of the brazen serpent in the wilderness, drew all men to Himself for their eternal salvation." (St. Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle of Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans. chapter. II "Christ's True Passion.")

"ambrose" has confused politically correct churchianity for a robust Biblical faith; the immense pressure of a feminized culture is obviously hard to resist for him, and "the fear of the Jews" (including fear of being branded "anti-semitic") exerts the same force today as it did in the first century.

Men of the Faith, Stand. Do not let the (massive) intimidation of anti-christs cause you to betray the Lord and deny the record of the New Testament. I bid you, whether it is approved or disapproved, Stand!