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No Sean Penn: John Rhys-Davies, without Oscar censors.
National Review Online ^ | March 05, 2004 | Andrew Leigh

Posted on 03/05/2004 12:01:46 PM PST by xsysmgr

LOS ANGELES — Another Academy Awards ceremony has come and gone. If you're like me, you spent much of it on the edge of your seat, silently praying that none of the winning actors would launch into a noxious left-wing tirade, featuring such sagacious bromides as "War is Not the Answer" (to what?).

It's a common perception that Hollywood is a liberal town, and rightly so. There are a few bold souls, however, who are willing to swim against the tide.

One of these starred in the film that won the most Oscars last Sunday night. He's John Rhys-Davies, who played Gimli in The Lord of the Rings (as well as Sallah in the Indiana Jones movies, in addition to many other roles). His comments over the past month or so regarding world affairs have ignited a firestorm of controversy in his home country of Great Britain.

Rather than taking up the banner of global warming, AIDS, world peace, or some other trendy cause, as most of his colleagues are prone to do, the Welsh-born actor has chosen as his particular hobbyhorse the growing demographic crisis in Europe.

He also regularly heaps praise on President George W. Bush and his war on terror, including the invasion of Iraq. "There are at least four or five [officials in the Bush administration] who could hold their own against the Founding Fathers," he says. This is blasphemous speech in Europe and Hollywood alike.

In a recent interview at a European-style café near Hollywood's Universal Studios, Rhys-Davies jokes about his candor, saying with a laugh that betrays a little nervousness, "Every time I open my mouth, I may be committing career suicide."

But he does not hold back, flatly stating, "I think that radical Islam has declared war on the West."

"It's not a question of the decency of Muslims," he says, many of whom he admires and respects. But "radical Islamist groups are controlling, manipulating, and forming the attitudes of Muslims throughout Europe," he adds. And Rhys-Davies fears that, due to their demographic advantages, their culture may eventually swamp or supplant the indigenous cultures of Europe.

Europeans are having fewer and fewer children, while migrant populations, predominantly Muslim, are growing much faster. Most European fertility rates have dropped so much that they have declined below the break-even point, to the degree that populations are actually beginning to shrink.

If the current trend continues, Rhys-Davies says, "The population of Germany at the end of the century is going to be 56 percent of what it is now. The population of France will decline to about 52 percent."

Meanwhile, Muslim immigrants are having babies at a much faster clip, so that in time, they may become the majority population throughout Europe.

"Last year, 56 percent of the babies born in Brussels were Muslim," Rhys-Davies notes. "In a matter of 20-50 years, we are going to see two to three countries become predominately Muslim — Holland, France, and possibly Germany."

This sort of talk, predictably enough, has provoked cries of "racism" from Muslim advocacy groups and left-wing critics back on his home turf. "We want an apology," demanded Mohammed Javed, chairman of the Muslim Society for Wales. "This could stir up racial hatred in society. It's ignorance, he should learn more about Islam...before he makes these comments."

At the same time, the far-right British National party, a fringe white-supremacist group, has tried to co-opt Rhys-Davies's message by reprinting some of his quotes on flyers they distributed at Lord of the Rings movie showings around the United Kingdom. Rhys-Davies strongly repudiated the BNP for their action; he belongs to the Conservative party, which has condemned the BNP as well.

"There is a demographic catastrophe happening in Europe that nobody wants to talk about, that we daren't bring up because we are so cagey about not offending people racially. And rightly we should be. But there is a cultural [aspect] as well," Rhys-Davies has said.

It is the culture of fundamentalist Islam that concerns Rhys-Davies the most. "When I look at contemporary Islam, I see homophobia, forced conversion, genital mutilation, slavery, two million people being put to death in the Sudan because of their religion."

He also sees its hand in an ugly trend: "There is a rise in anti-Semitism in Europe unprecedented since the 1930s," he laments.

In his view, "Fundamental Islamism is a particularly brutish and unpleasant form of fascism." He fears that if it becomes the dominant culture in Europe, it will wipe out all that is good about Western culture.

"It's easy to lose a civilization," Rhys-Davies warns. "The values of Western civilization have brought so much good to the world: the notions of equality, democracy, tolerance, abolition of slavery."

Rhys-Davies sees these same themes espoused in The Lord of the Rings, observing, "[J.R.R.] Tolkien knew that civilization is worth fighting for. There are times when a generation is challenged and must fight to defend their civilization from annihilation."

Of course, others on the set didn't see it the same way. Viggo Mortensen, who played Aragorn in The Lord of the Rings, wore a "No Blood for Oil" T-shirt during a promotional interview for the movie on Charlie Rose's PBS show.

Ironically, Mortensen's character in the movies is a military leader. And many have drawn parallels between the conflict in The Lord of the Rings with the war on terror. With a twinkle in his eye, Rhys-Davies confides that a friend whispered to him while watching Mortensen in The Return of the King, "Does he realize he's George Bush?"

Conservatives indeed are scarce in Hollywood. "You introduce a Republican to another in Hollywood, it's like a meeting between two Christians in Caligula's Rome," he observes.

Rhys-Davies does not appreciate the images of President Bush and America broadcast by Western media. "When Hollywood constantly projects that the West is weak, the military is corrupt, that big business is corrupt, it has to have an influence on Muslims," he says.

Rhys-Davies used to be a radical leftist, as a university student in the '60s. He first started to come around when he went to the local hall to hear a young local member of parliament by the name of Margaret Thatcher. "I went to heckle her," Rhys-Davies says. "She shot down the first two hecklers in such brilliant fashion that I decided I ought for once to shut up and listen."

It was the beginning of his eventual transformation into a conservative. Rhys-Davies's father was a colonial officer, but from a poor "working-class socialist" background, which Rhys-Davies absorbed into his bloodstream. He spent a large portion of his childhood in Tanzania, where his father was posted.

He says, "As a child, my father showed me a dhow in the harbor at Dar es Salaam and said, 'You see that dhow? Twice a year it comes down from Aden filled with boxes of goods. On the way back up it's got two or three black boys on it. Those boys are slaves. And the U.N. won't let me do a thing about it.'"

Rhys-Davies says that his father predicted our current state of affairs, once telling his son, "The next world war will be between Islam and the West. And it will happen in your lifetime."

— Andrew Leigh is a screenwriter based in Los Angeles.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: lotr; oscars; rhysdavies
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1 posted on 03/05/2004 12:01:46 PM PST by xsysmgr
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To: xsysmgr
"You introduce a Republican to another in Hollywood, it's like a meeting between two Christians in Caligula's Rome," he observes.

Rhys-Davies Bump.

2 posted on 03/05/2004 12:06:03 PM PST by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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To: xsysmgr

3 posted on 03/05/2004 12:06:53 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: xsysmgr
WOW!...Selleck, Gibson, Woods, Miller, Arnold?, Davies...and no telling how many "closet" conservatives.
4 posted on 03/05/2004 12:09:00 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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To: xsysmgr
He was fitting as Gimli, then. Not much for B.S. that fellow. I knew there was a reason I really liked him. He's over 6ft tall, too. Great effects to make him seem a dwarf!
5 posted on 03/05/2004 12:11:39 PM PST by IYAS9YAS (Go Fast, Turn Left!)
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To: Charles Henrickson
One rhyng to rule them all.
6 posted on 03/05/2004 12:24:47 PM PST by martin_fierro (How'd I do?)
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To: xsysmgr
This guy is good stuff. Refreshing to hear honesty and intelligence coming from an actor.
7 posted on 03/05/2004 12:32:32 PM PST by I still care
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To: xsysmgr
"In a matter of 20-50 years, we are going to see two to three countries become predominately Muslim — Holland, France, and possibly Germany."

Not true.
Once Muslims become a majority, the minority won't have a choice.
It will be 'Islam or the Sword'

Just like when the Christians became a majority over the Pagans.

So9

8 posted on 03/05/2004 12:36:37 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Screwing the Inscrutable or is it Scruting the Inscrewable?)
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To: xsysmgr
Rhys-Davies used to be a radical leftist, as a university student in the '60s. He first started to come around when he went to the local hall to hear a young local member of parliament by the name of Margaret Thatcher. "I went to heckle her," Rhys-Davies says. "She shot down the first two hecklers in such brilliant fashion that I decided I ought for once to shut up and listen."

Sweet. Thatcher rocks!

9 posted on 03/05/2004 12:39:01 PM PST by eyespysomething (I'm thinkin', I'm thinkin'!! Hold yer horses.)
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To: skinkinthegrass
You forgot Bo Derek.
10 posted on 03/05/2004 12:39:41 PM PST by CholeraJoe (Bush/Cheney 2004. Go ugly early, boys. You know the 'rats will.)
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To: IYAS9YAS
Is he the same guy that was on Sliders as the portly professor? That show had some pretty decent hidden political comment in it from time to time.
11 posted on 03/05/2004 12:40:13 PM PST by Cobra Scott
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To: Servant of the 9
You're so right. I have noticed that there's been a lot of cutting off of hands for theft, stoning or hanging for adultery, mass burials, tearing people to shreds (like the young man with the Israeli soldiers about six months ago) and crashing into buildings killing thousands done by Christians recently. Yep, I can see the equivalence.
12 posted on 03/05/2004 12:41:52 PM PST by Wicket (God bless and protect our troops and God bless America)
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To: Cobra Scott
I didn't watch it much, but yes, that was him.
13 posted on 03/05/2004 12:46:07 PM PST by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: Wicket
You're so right. I have noticed that there's been a lot of cutting off of hands for theft, stoning or hanging for adultery, mass burials, tearing people to shreds (like the young man with the Israeli soldiers about six months ago) and crashing into buildings killing thousands done by Christians recently. Yep, I can see the equivalence.

That makes what they did in the 4th and 5th centuries OK, does it?
The only reason Christians haven't done this kind of thing lately is that they haven't had to.

So9

14 posted on 03/05/2004 12:46:08 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Screwing the Inscrutable or is it Scruting the Inscrewable?)
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To: CholeraJoe
And Kelsey Grammer.
15 posted on 03/05/2004 12:49:44 PM PST by Viking2002 (I think; therefore, I Freep............)
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To: xsysmgr
JRD bump. I like this guy more and more.
16 posted on 03/05/2004 12:53:53 PM PST by StoneColdGOP (McClintock - In Your Heart, You Know He's Right)
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To: Viking2002
And Drew Carey
17 posted on 03/05/2004 12:59:03 PM PST by copwife
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To: Deb
*ping* - Thought you might want to peruse this thread. :-)
18 posted on 03/05/2004 1:05:45 PM PST by Texas2step (<><)
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To: Cobra Scott
Yes he was.
19 posted on 03/05/2004 1:20:50 PM PST by IYAS9YAS (Go Fast, Turn Left!)
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To: Cobra Scott
Is he the same guy that was on Sliders as the portly professor? That show had some pretty decent hidden political comment in it from time to time.

The best episode was called, "A Current Affair". It featured a President named, Jefferson Williams. (hint: William Jefferson Clinton) The highlight of the episode was when President Williams held a press conference and declared while pounding on the lecturn, "I did not have homicidal relations with that woman, Maggie Beckett..."

The whole episode was a parallel to what was happening with the Clinton Administration at the time, namely Monica Lewinsky.

Hillarious stuff.

See: http://members.fortunecity.com/mdim121/episodes/s5e7.htm

20 posted on 03/05/2004 1:22:00 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: xsysmgr; rmlew
This sort of talk, predictably enough, has provoked cries of "racism" from Muslim advocacy groups and left-wing critics back on his home turf. "We want an apology," demanded Mohammed Javed, chairman of the Muslim Society for Wales. "This could stir up racial hatred in society. It's ignorance, he should learn more about Islam...before he makes these comments."

Apology? Hell no! On the contrary, this is an example of precisely what John Rhys-Davies is talking about.

21 posted on 03/05/2004 1:24:42 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: xsysmgr
I like this guy!

How can we get autographed pictures? I'll place his next to my framed Ronald Wilson Reagan that hangs in a prominent place in my luxurious office! (A little taunting there for the leftist, ragged trolls who lurk in the hallowed halls of Free Republic!)

22 posted on 03/05/2004 1:28:15 PM PST by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: Servant of the 9
The oft cited atrocities pinned on the Christians in that era are bogus. Authentic Christians, not the institutional, religious and cultural Christian whores of that time, are representative of what God wants. Of course, the same argument can be made of the 'peaceful' religion of Islam.

However, I am quite aware the Koran teaches war against infidels in various parts of its ever poetical ramblings. However, the Good Book teaches no such thing. So, the question is "Who was/is really following their religion and who was/is perverting it?". Answer that question and you have an answer to your problem with the Inquistions, etal.

Jesus addressed this a few years back when He said, "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord', will enter the kingdom of heave, but only he who does the will of my Father in heaven...then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"

23 posted on 03/05/2004 1:32:15 PM PST by harbinger of doom
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To: xsysmgr
When John Rhys-Davies talked about feeling like the few Christians during the reign of Caligula, I remembered that he played a murderous Roman Centurion in "I, Claudius" many years ago; he knows whereof he speaks.
24 posted on 03/05/2004 1:33:52 PM PST by vanmorrison
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To: harbinger of doom
heave=heaven. Let's hope no one sees the two as synonymous
25 posted on 03/05/2004 1:33:55 PM PST by harbinger of doom
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To: xsysmgr
Interesting comparison of the two - Legolas has a complex understanding of Islamic Jihad, the value of Muslim society, and the prospect of Muslim immigration & birth rates changing the nature of European society.

While Aragorn chants "No Blood for Oil" - a shallow ignorant cartoonish view of the conflict thats better directed at France and Russia (barrels of oil from Saddam to diplomats who looked the other way).
26 posted on 03/05/2004 1:34:37 PM PST by Fenris6
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To: harbinger of doom
inquistions=inquisitions

spell check and I aren't on speaking terms today

27 posted on 03/05/2004 1:35:53 PM PST by harbinger of doom
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To: xsysmgr
This sort of talk, predictably enough, has provoked cries of "racism" from Muslim advocacy groups

Islam is a religion, not a race.

28 posted on 03/05/2004 1:36:04 PM PST by Alouette (Arur Haman! Baruch Mordechai! Barucha Esther! V'gam Charvonah zachur l'tov!)
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To: Servant of the 9
Just like when the Christians became a majority over the Pagans.

And when the Pagan Romans took over the Jewish lands.

29 posted on 03/05/2004 1:37:33 PM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Servant of the 9
Just like when the Christians became a majority over the Pagans.

Can you be a wee bit more specific about this statement?
It bears the malodour of somehing you pulled out of your well.., let's just say the exit of your digestive tract...

30 posted on 03/05/2004 1:37:56 PM PST by Publius6961 (50.3% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks (subject to a final count).)
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To: Cobra Scott
Is he the same guy that was on Sliders as the portly professor? That show had some pretty decent hidden political comment in it from time to time.

The very same. But, for me, originally he made a very favorable impression as the navigator in Shogun.

31 posted on 03/05/2004 1:39:52 PM PST by Publius6961 (50.3% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks (subject to a final count).)
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To: xsysmgr
"Last year, 56 percent of the babies born in Brussels were Muslim," Rhys-Davies notes. "In a matter of 20-50 years, we are going to see two to three countries become predominately Muslim — Holland, France, and possibly Germany."

Crab people! Tastes like crab, talks like people!

32 posted on 03/05/2004 1:48:08 PM PST by Naspino (HTTP://NASPINO.COM)
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To: CholeraJoe
You forgot Bo Derek.

*SMACK TO FOREHEAD*...I did, Didn't I. :/

33 posted on 03/05/2004 1:48:38 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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To: Alouette
Islam is a religion, not a race.

Its so hard to cry "religionism".

34 posted on 03/05/2004 1:48:49 PM PST by Naspino (HTTP://NASPINO.COM)
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To: vanmorrison
Simply being Welsh, he knows whereof he speaks.
There were even laws that forbade the Welsh speaking their own language in their own country after the Anglos "assimilated" them.
I can't imagine how -any- Welsh, Irish or Scots could support any "liberal/PC/multicultural" views.
Historically speaking, they should all know better.
When outright war failed to defeat them, they were all "conquered" simply by being systematically "replaced" by the invader's cultures, in their own countries.
Those who don't learn from history....etc etc etc....
35 posted on 03/05/2004 1:49:39 PM PST by Salamander
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To: copwife
And Chuck Norris.
36 posted on 03/05/2004 2:06:23 PM PST by Viking2002 (I think; therefore, I Freep............)
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To: Publius6961
Just like when the Christians became a majority over the Pagans.

Can you be a wee bit more specific about this statement? It bears the malodour of somehing you pulled out of your well.., let's just say the exit of your digestive tract...

You know very well that pagans were persecuted and killed for their faith all over Europe from the time Christians became a majority until the witchcraft trials ended in the 18th century.

So9

37 posted on 03/05/2004 2:07:50 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Screwing the Inscrutable or is it Scruting the Inscrewable?)
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To: Servant of the 9
Once Muslims become a majority, the minority won't have a choice.
It will be 'Islam or the Sword'

Yep, and it's going to make WWII look like a Sunday School picnic.

38 posted on 03/05/2004 2:20:25 PM PST by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: Servant of the 9
The only reason Christians haven't done this kind of thing lately is that they haven't had to.

What an ignorant statement. Even in the most recent historical examples of Christian brutality (against Native Americans) there was considerable condemnation of the practice from within Christendom; the dissenters pointed out that such barbarity was against Christ's teachings. Where is the parallel condemnation of Sharia from within mainstream Islam? If it's there at all, it's pretty tepid. And such Islamic dissenters as there are can't make the case that forced conversions & stonings are betrayals of the teachings of Muhammad.

39 posted on 03/05/2004 2:26:22 PM PST by xlib
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To: Alouette
Judaism is a religion, not a race. I guess that's why people who hate Jews are called anti-semite as opposed to racist. Is there a word for people who hate Muslims? Probably not since it's okay to hate Jews but it isn't okay to hate Muslims.
40 posted on 03/05/2004 2:30:47 PM PST by Terry Mross
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To: skinkinthegrass
Dwight Schultz, possibly greatest living TV actor and conservative.
41 posted on 03/05/2004 2:38:55 PM PST by Tax-chick (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: xsysmgr
Ironically, Mortensen's character in the movies is a military leader. And many have drawn parallels between the conflict in The Lord of the Rings with the war on terror. With a twinkle in his eye, Rhys-Davies confides that a friend whispered to him while watching Mortensen in The Return of the King, "Does he realize he's George Bush?"

Best line in the whole article. Dumb Viggo once said that Bush was Sauron. What a maroon!

42 posted on 03/05/2004 2:40:46 PM PST by CharlieOK1
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To: Hap; Xenalyte
Gimli ping!
43 posted on 03/05/2004 2:42:24 PM PST by Bacon Man (Beware the lollipop of mediocrity. Lick once and you suck forever.)
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To: ecurbh; 2Jedismom; 300winmag; Alkhin; Alouette; ambrose; Anitius Severinus Boethius; artios; ...
pinging some of the ringers! ecurbh, you have the full list. add me to it by the way. My old name CharlieOK may still be on the list. Had to add the '1' when I forgot my password.
44 posted on 03/05/2004 2:45:07 PM PST by CharlieOK1
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To: xsysmgr
Welsh-born

That explains it.

45 posted on 03/05/2004 2:49:31 PM PST by FourPeas
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To: Publius6961
Shogun, ah yes, I remember that, too. Wasn't he also in the TV version of Noble House?
46 posted on 03/05/2004 2:54:25 PM PST by FourPeas
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To: xsysmgr

47 posted on 03/05/2004 2:55:02 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (Is it time to water the tree of Liberty ?)
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To: CharlieOK1
'Bout time we got another Okie on the Ring Ping list!
48 posted on 03/05/2004 3:00:31 PM PST by 2Jedismom (HHD with 4 Chickens)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
He also was a main charater in 'Sliders', a dimension-spanning series on the Sci-Fi Channel. Always had learned dignity with a humorous sense. I miss him!
49 posted on 03/05/2004 3:08:04 PM PST by BobS
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To: Servant of the 9
You know very well that pagans were persecuted and killed for their faith all over Europe from the time Christians became a majority until the witchcraft trials ended in the 18th century.

"For their faith"??? LOL!

No, I do not know any such thing.

I do know that counteless forgeries were invented during the reformation. So my question still stands: can you be more specific? Time and place and circumstances please.

If your memory has taken a flight south, I would be happy with bibliographical references. I could recommend two: A concise History of the Crusades, by Madden, and Inquisition, by Peters. I will reserve the other dozen or so for the future; I would hate to short circuit you with reality. Let's just try to limit a historical discussion or claims to facts, not fiction or fantasy.

50 posted on 03/05/2004 3:12:07 PM PST by Publius6961 (50.3% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks (subject to a final count).)
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