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Kerry Met With Viet Cong And North Vietnamese In Paris In 1971
Congressional Record ^ | March 6, 2004 | John F. Kerry

Posted on 03/06/2004 12:21:15 AM PST by Hon

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To: Hon
Sonofagun, you DID just sign up! You're so good and thorough and accurate, I never bothered to check your sign on name even though your screeneme was unfamiliar. Unfamiliar screennemes are common on a website with like 80,000 members.

You're FReeper material, through and through. And apparantly carrying a grudge as long standing as the rest of us whom Kerry directly or indirectly hurt.

I'm honored to have you here. Keep up the good work!

101 posted on 03/06/2004 8:52:36 AM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: cake_crumb
"He was one busy boy, Hanoi John was. I vote he had his own meth lab and private time travel machine."

Mind you, during his four months in Vietnam Kerry also walked off the Swift boats with other officers to go Saigon complain to the man in charge, Admiral Zumwalt.

And when that didn't get him out of harm's way, he went to the media to complain:

REPORTING OF VIETNAM WAR IN THE PRESS

Senator SYMINGTON. There has been considerable criticism of the war's reporting by the press and news media. What are your thoughts on that?

Mr. KERRY. On that I could definitely comment. I think the press has been extremely negligent in reporting. At one point and at the same time they have not been able to report because the Government of this country has not allowed them to. I went to Saigon to try to report. We were running missions in the Mekong Delta. We were running raids through these rivers on an operation called Sealord and we thought it was absurd.

We didn't have helicopter cover often. We seldom had jet aircraft cover. We were out of artillery range. We would go in with two quarter-inch aluminium hull boats and get shot at and never secure territory or anything except to quote Admiral Zumwalt to show the American flag and prove to the Vietcong they don't own the rivers. We found they did own them with 60 percent casualties and we thought this was absurd.

I went to Saigon, and told this to a member of the news bureau there and I said, "Look, you have got to tell the American people this story." The response was, "Well, I can't write that kind of thing. I can't criticize that much because if I do I would lose my accreditation, and we have to be very careful about just how much we say and when."

102 posted on 03/06/2004 8:54:11 AM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
Kerry may be a low-life, a leftist, a traitor, a gigolo, and a few other things for which I can't find acceptable words, but this much can be said in his favor: he's an excellent choice to be the leader of his party.
103 posted on 03/06/2004 8:54:17 AM PST by PatrickHenry (A compassionate evolutionist.)
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To: Hon
I think if Bush had negotiated a separate if non-binding peace with the enemy in a shootng war during his youthfully indiscreet days we'd be hearing it from Dan Rather and Peter Jennings every single night between now and November.
104 posted on 03/06/2004 8:59:53 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Just mythoughts
"I keep watching for those.... not even the adoring press has use them????"

Either they can't get at them or don't care. I don't know if the images used in Kerry's ad - "Courage" I believe it's called - were real or reenactments. There are pics of him in the jungle carrying a gun - quite an achievement for a guy commanding a boat, but possible - and others of him in various poses in the jungle.

I can't believe that he got that many live photos in the bush during action in only 4 months. I don't believe the press cares. They're under orders from their DNC/DLC overseers to get Bush at any cost. Guess who's gonna pay the cost if a unbelievable creep like Kerry gets into the Oval Office?

105 posted on 03/06/2004 9:00:57 AM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: VadeRetro
"I think if Bush had negotiated a separate if non-binding peace with the enemy in a shootng war during his youthfully indiscreet days we'd be hearing it from Dan Rather and Peter Jennings every single night between now and November."

Of course you are right. And they wouldn't insist on seeing his dental records to prove Bush had been in Paris.

You can make this same point about almost anything Kerry has done. Can you imagine what the press would do if Bush was married to a woman who was funding the lunatic fringe right the way Teresa is funding the lunatic left?

The majority of the mainstream media are simply shills for or dupes of the Democrat Party. It's that simple.

Otherwise this material I am posting here, for instance, would have come out a long time ago. After all, the media has fawned for years over his appearance before the Senate.
106 posted on 03/06/2004 9:04:32 AM PST by Hon
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To: FR_addict
On Thursday March 4th, during a live online discussion, David Broder was asked the following question. Note well his (non)answer:

Washington, D.C.: Sen. Kerry parades around former Sen. Max Cleland, who lost three limbs in an accident in Vietnam, like Jerry Lewis on a telethon so as to burnish his Vietnam combat credentials, yet he refuses to authorize the release of his records documenting his three Purple Heart earning flesh wounds.

When is the press going to put the pressure on Kerry that they put on President Bush about his Guard records?

After all, Kerry used those three Purple Hearts to get out of Vietnam after four short months -- leaving his 'band of brothers' to fight on without him.

David Broder: You imply something dishonorable about Sen. Kerry's war record. I know of nothing that supports that suspicion. Do you have any such evidence?

/end excerpt/

Mr. Broder, when will you and the rest of the "media" apply equal pressure on Kerry to release his military records, as you all did with Bush and his records?

The silence from the media speaks volumes.

107 posted on 03/06/2004 9:07:23 AM PST by tgslTakoma (Fayetteville, NC - 3/20/04 - Help defend US soldiers and families from Reds-led "peace" rioters.)
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To: cake_crumb
"I can't believe that he got that many live photos in the bush during action in only 4 months. I don't believe the press cares. They're under orders from their DNC/DLC overseers to get Bush at any cost. Guess who's gonna pay the cost if a unbelievable creep like Kerry gets into the Oval Office?"

Apparently JFKerry had the foresight while in Vietnam to "film" reenactments of his gun battles, and has spent the rest of his life playing and replaying them.

Yes it does indeed seem really strange to get ones hands on a movie camera and film reenactments of your gun battles, while in battle.

??????mental????
108 posted on 03/06/2004 9:07:37 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Hon
Can you imagine what the press would do if Bush was married to a woman who was funding the lunatic fringe right the way Teresa is funding the lunatic left?

I doubt if "tacit approval" would describe it accurately.

109 posted on 03/06/2004 9:08:16 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Lion Den Dan
Did the buffoon have his mug pasted in to the group to make his antiwar significance seem greater?

I don't see Kerry in the photo...I don't think that one guy near the far end of the
the table on the right is him.

Maybe this is just documentary proof that Kerry's group was meeting with the North Viets.
110 posted on 03/06/2004 9:12:02 AM PST by VOA
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To: Hon
"I went to Saigon, and told this to a member of the news bureau there and I said, 'Look, you have got to tell the American people this story.' "

Good lord, if I knew about that, I'd forgotten it over the years among the tons of Kerry's other deeds. Just how much time did Kerry actually spend aboard that swift boat during that 4 month period?? Was it only the 10 minutes he needed to run the boat onshore, wait for his boys to incapacitate the enemy and then run ashore, off the guy and grab the gun and the glory??

This stuff is amazing! What's even MORE amazing is that nobody, NOBODY in the mainstream media is bothering to report it - while leftist rags like the Villiage Voice and the Boston Globe are....a fact that makes the Twilight Zone theme run through my head. Someone at the Villiage Voice must be either a Vietnam veteran or a close relative of one. The Boston Globe...well, he's obviously stepped on a lot of toes up there in Mass.

111 posted on 03/06/2004 9:13:35 AM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Hon
Did he mention that he was in Vietnam?..... North Vietnam?

This has to get out.
112 posted on 03/06/2004 9:16:57 AM PST by chemicalman (Rid the country of the vast liberal conspiracy)
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To: Hon
Ok these "films" are still in my mind.

There has to be a reason why they are so well know, and yet none have been shown publicly.

Are these films the key to why he won't release his military and health records?



113 posted on 03/06/2004 9:21:16 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: cake_crumb
"Just how much time did Kerry actually spend aboard that swift boat during that 4 month period?"

Well it is clear he made every precious moment count. Remember, Kerry got his first Purple Heart wound within 24 hours of arriving in Vietnam.

Which was a pretty neat trick in that according to most reports the Swift boats didn't start engaging in combat until two weeks later, when Zumwalt changed their mission.

114 posted on 03/06/2004 9:22:55 AM PST by Hon
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To: Just mythoughts
"??????mental????"

Probably. And definitely Evil - with a capital "E" as well. The foresight apparant in all of his actions for the past 30+ years shows that he is calculating, cunning and cold as a stone. I'm one of those who believes Kerry is far worse than even Billary. That is saying a lot.

He has not changed one iota from his pre- or immediate VVAW actions or statements. For instance, he still pushes the agenda of Hanoi at the cost of even human rights guarantees and has always wanted to turn the US military over to UN control. This clearly implies a strong, well thought out agenda at work and a personality dedicated to implimenting it despite the great cost in human suffering. This should tell us to be afraid. And to crush him, NOW. Whether what we have against Kerry is personal or not, he has to be stopped. It's beyond time for John F-ing Kerry to be held accountable for his actions.

115 posted on 03/06/2004 9:22:56 AM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: pushforbush
Just remember there may be a longer story as to who he or she may be and the source and timng of the information.

(tin-foil thinking cap on ...)
Who would benefit from this information coming out now...? Hmmm... Hillary! That's it! Hon is Hillary! The plan is for Hon/Hillary to destroy Kerry's rep just in time for the Dem convention and for Hillary to "rescue" the Dem party from catastrophic implosion.
(This tin-foil hat is tight. Can I take it off now?)

116 posted on 03/06/2004 9:23:26 AM PST by tgslTakoma (Fayetteville, NC - 3/20/04 - Help defend US soldiers and families from Reds-led "peace" rioters.)
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To: Hon
Thanks for another great find.

Benedict Arnold Kerry is documented again re his anti America efforts after he left Nam.
117 posted on 03/06/2004 9:24:48 AM PST by Grampa Dave (John F'onda Kerry has been a Benedict Arnold and legislative terrorist since Nam!)
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To: Hon
Another BUMP for great freeping.
118 posted on 03/06/2004 9:26:02 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Hon
America can't afford a 9/10 Kerry after 9/11.


119 posted on 03/06/2004 9:27:59 AM PST by Grampa Dave (America can't afford a 9/10 Kerry after 9/11.)
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To: cake_crumb
I agree JFKerry would disgrace this nation if he were to be elected.

I also see JFKerry to have been well protected all of his life. Always surrounded by what is similar to a "padded room".

JFKerry has brought himself front and center and with what is known about him as a person, he is not a stable person.

Peeling away the padding that has protected him, I believe will cause an explosion. His arrogance can last for so long as a defense.
120 posted on 03/06/2004 9:28:51 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: cake_crumb
"The foresight apparant in all of his actions for the past 30+ years shows that he is calculating, cunning and cold as a stone."

Yep. Remember, he typed his daily heartfelt journal in Vietnam on a typewriter.

He didn't want to take the chance that future journalists and historians wouldn't be able to read his handwriting.

121 posted on 03/06/2004 9:29:05 AM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
"Which was a pretty neat trick in that according to most reports the Swift boats didn't start engaging in combat until two weeks later, when Zumwalt changed their mission."

FOFLOL! Yeah, it sure is a neat trick. Then again, you could practically get a Purple Heart for a paper cut, depending on whom you knew or how much the brass hoped to buck up morale. And we know for a fact that Kerry knew numerous people, very high up on the food chain. This is another reason I want his military records. I'm more interested in those than his medical. The drugs are pretty much a given. He shows the classic mental changes brought on by opium dreams, just like Al.

122 posted on 03/06/2004 9:30:42 AM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Grampa Dave
I like the "9/10 president" photo... it should be on stickers all over the place this fall. The campaign message in one photo.
123 posted on 03/06/2004 9:32:18 AM PST by tgslTakoma (Fayetteville, NC - 3/20/04 - Help defend US soldiers and families from Reds-led "peace" rioters.)
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To: tgslTakoma
Yeah, take it off now. And you've been had. You're obviously using inferior grade tinfoil. Go with heavy duty, restaurant quality aluminum foil. It's MUCH better for you. No bad side effects.
124 posted on 03/06/2004 9:33:45 AM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Hon
"Yep. Remember, he typed his daily heartfelt journal in Vietnam on a typewriter."

You know...for years I was actually confused as to whether he had some kind of journalism degree too? Every military branch has it's journalists and somehow, I thought he must have had dual duty. Anybody else have that problem?

125 posted on 03/06/2004 9:37:48 AM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: tgslTakoma
It is obvious that the lunatic left supporters who hate America and love Kerry, don't want 9/11 to be a campaign issue.

To me, it is the most important issue there is. If Kerry became president, America as we know it would not survive.

I want my sons, grandchildren, nephews, nieces and great nephews and nieces to live a good life. There will be no good life if Kerry is elected.

He is truly the Manchurian Candidate of the dark side.
126 posted on 03/06/2004 9:40:01 AM PST by Grampa Dave (America can't afford a 9/10 Kerry after 9/11.)
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To: Hon
Oh yeah...the obvious explanation for the time frame problem if the time travel explanation seems implausible is that Kerry did some of this stuff, like writing his journal, after his four month stint as professional Vietnam War Hero ®

As with his videos, I believe this to be the real reason he's so afraid to let the public dig into his military record.

127 posted on 03/06/2004 9:42:16 AM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Just mythoughts
His arrogance is teh largest part of his personality structure, though a blow up is possible somewhere down the line. Unlikely as long as he's under the wing of the Kennedy clan, as he has been all of his life.
128 posted on 03/06/2004 9:43:49 AM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Hon

Candidate Kerry introduces his proposed secretary of defense.

Michael M. Bates: My Side of the Swamp

129 posted on 03/06/2004 9:44:38 AM PST by Mike Bates (Artist Formerly Known as mikeb704.)
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To: tgslTakoma
Who would benefit from this information coming out now...? Hmmm... Hillary! That's it! Hon is Hillary! The plan is for Hon/Hillary to destroy Kerry's rep just in time for the Dem convention and for Hillary to "rescue" the Dem party from catastrophic implosion.

Kerry should at this point be in total charge of the DNC. Yet, all he can do is cut a puny deal that names three aides to the DNC.

[AP]:"Kerry will name three aides — a communications expert, a senior adviser and a senior strategist — to work at the DNC, essentially serving as his eyes and ears...The Massachusetts senator said he assumed McAuliffe would remain in his post throughout the campaign."

Hillary *is* fully in charge.

130 posted on 03/06/2004 9:58:05 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: All
This is an excerpt from Kerry's loving preserved Vietnam journal as posted by the Boston Globe:

"It's cool now and the evening has closed around you to become full night. The night for once is comforting and you take a coke and some peanut butter and jelly and go up on the roof of the cabin whit your tape recorder and sit for a while, quietly, watching flares float silently through the sky and flashes announce disquieting intent somewhere in the distance. You call down to one of your men and ask him to draft a message to the Admiral in Command of all Naval Forces in Vietnam and also to the Commander of Market Time. IT says "Merry Christmas from the most inland Market Time unit." You hope that they'll court marshal you or something because that would make sense. But the night soothes everything and the people and things that are close to you dart through the mind and bring the only warmth and peace that there is. Visions of sugar plums really do dance through your head and you think of stockings and snow and roast chestnuts and fires with birch logs and all that is good and warm and real. It's Christmas Eve."

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/journal_day2.shtml

Kerry arrived in Vietnam on December 1, 1968. The Swift boats only began to engage in combat operations (according to reports) two weeks later, so around December 14th.

Notice that Kerry was hoping to be courtmartialed on December 24th, just ten days later.

131 posted on 03/06/2004 10:00:14 AM PST by Hon
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To: kellynla
Thank you for your service.
132 posted on 03/06/2004 10:00:28 AM PST by RightWingMama
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To: FreeReign
I had heard a rumor that Kerry wanted McAwful out and was told by the establishment to go soak his head, McAwful's staying in.
133 posted on 03/06/2004 10:02:49 AM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Hon
....Opium dreams.
134 posted on 03/06/2004 10:04:30 AM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: kellynla
And when you see a man in his fifties, sleeping on a bench, please remember that "but for the grace of God go I." Semper Fi, Kelly

How true. I lost a friend from high school that way. After coming home from VietNam he was never the same. He died sleeping in his pick up under a bridge in my home town. I think of him every time I see John 'effn Kerry open his mouth.

135 posted on 03/06/2004 10:07:27 AM PST by RightWingMama
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To: Temple Owl
ping
136 posted on 03/06/2004 10:09:38 AM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Toomey April 27)
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To: Hon

137 posted on 03/06/2004 10:16:09 AM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: cake_crumb
I had heard a rumor that Kerry wanted McAwful out and was told by the establishment to go soak his head, McAwful's staying in.

Yes, the Clinton's picked Kerry because he is so gullible and so usable.

The Viet Cong meeting this thread is about is prime example.

138 posted on 03/06/2004 10:25:14 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: All
I am beginning to think that Kerry was treated with so much deference by the (Dem) Senators because he was saying and doing exactly what they wanted him to do. In fact, what he had been paid to do.

Here is an excerpt from an earlier thread I put up on the subject of who paid for the Dewey Canyon rally--during which Kerry spoke before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee:

John Kerry's appearance in DC was financed by Democrat Party fundraisers.

From a quote from the book "Home to War" by Gerald Nicosia, pp. 104-105:

Even worse, the week before Dewey Canyon was to start, there was not a cent left in the VVAW treasury. John Kerry was certainly doing yeoman's service at fund-raising. He had given up his book contract with Random House in order to travel and speak throughout the country on behalf of VVAW; organizing, bringing in veterans, asking for donations -- working sometimes twenty hours a day. But when Phelan had trouble with the park permits, Kerry had to return to Washington to marshal a group of lawyers, and in the end Kerry negotiated many of the permits personally. This accomplished, he returned to the VVAW office, only to receive a phone call telling him that five thousand vets were waiting for their bus tickets to D.C., but no one knew where the money to purchase them would come from.

Kerry immediately got on the phone to some of the biggest Democratic Party fund-raisers in New York and set up a meeting. When it broke up, VVAW was $75,000 in the black, and busfare for at least a few hundred out-of-towners was assured.

Here is quote from the book "Winter Soldiers" by Richard Stacewicz, pg. 242:

According to an FBI memorandum from the Washington office dated April 13, 1971, "VVAW had received fifty thousand dollars from United States Senators McGovern and Hatfield, who... obtained the money from an unknown New York source." (footnote 36)

36. FBI teletype serial number 448092-71, April 13, 1971... FBI archives.

And this from the Boston Globe:

The protests were set for the week of April 20. Kerry spent some of his time at the Georgetown townhouse of his longtime friend George Butler, working the phones, trying to round up veterans. But the real problem was money. Kerry, who was not financially independent despite rumors to the contrary, was supposed to raise money to pay for buses that would transport the veterans.

He called his friend Walinsky, who had run unsuccessfully for New York attorney general and had excellent financial connections. Walinsky arranged a meeting of potential donors at the Seagram Building in New York City. Among those present were Seagram chief executive Edgar M. Bronfman Sr. and about 20 other New York businessmen who opposed the war. Kerry delivered a low-key speech about the importance of having veterans attend the protest. Then the businessmen were each asked to stand and declare how much they would contribute.

"We raised probably $50,000," Walinsky recalled. "It took an hour."

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061703.shtml

Did Democrat Fat Cats Make John Kerry Famous? [Including Seagram's Bronfman]

139 posted on 03/06/2004 10:31:11 AM PST by Hon
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To: Hon

140 posted on 03/06/2004 10:32:16 AM PST by SAMWolf (Wedding: A funeral where you get to smell your own flowers.)
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To: Hon
John Kerry: The Chameleon Senator
By Ted Sampley
U.S. Veteran Dispatch
October-December 1996 Issue

Despite the prayers and wishful thinking of POW/MIA families and Vietnam veteran activists, Sen. John Forbes Kerry, the "chameleon" senator from Massachusetts, was re-elected to the Senate in the
1996 election. Apparently Kerry's well publicized history as a longtime radical supporter of the Vietnamese communists and a recent flap about whether or not he is guilty of a war crime meant very little to the voters in Massachusetts.

Sen. Kerry, the "noble statesman" and "highly decorated Vietnam vet" of today, is a far cry from Kerry, the radical, hippie-like leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) in the early 1970s. After Kerry, as a Navy Lieutenant (junior grade) commanding a Swift boat in Vietnam, was awarded the
Silver he found it advantageous to quit the Navy, change the color of his politics and become a leader of VVAW. He went to work organizing opposition in America against the efforts of his former buddies still ducking communist bullets back in Vietnam. Kerry gained national attention in April 1971, when he testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, then chaired by Sen. J. William Fulbright (D-AR), who led opposition in the Congress against U.S. participation in the war. During the course of his testimony, Kerry stated that the United States had a definite obligation to make extensive economic reparations to the people of Vietnam.

Kerry's testimony, it should be noted, occurred while some of his fellow Vietnam veterans were known by the world to be enduring terrible suffering as prisoners of war in North Vietnamese prisons. Kerry was a supporter of the "People's Peace Treaty," a supposed "people's" declaration to end the war, reportedly drawn up in communist East Germany. It included nine points, all of which were taken from Viet Cong peace proposals at the Paris peace talks as conditions for ending the war.

One of the provisions stated: "The Vietnamese pledge that as soon as the U.S. government publicly sets a date for total withdrawal [from Vietnam], they will enter discussion to secure the release of all American prisoners, including pilots captured while bombing North Vietnam." In other words, Kerry and his VVAW advocated the communist line to withdraw all U.S. troops from Vietnam first and then negotiate with Hanoi over the release of prisoners. Had the nine points of the "People's Peace Treaty" favored by Kerry been accepted by American negotiators, the United States would have totally lost all leverage to get the communists to release any POWs captured during the war years.

Kerry was fundamental in organizing antiwar activists to demonstrate in Washington, including the splattering of red paint, representing blood, on the Capitol steps. Several hundred of Kerry's VVAW demonstrators and supporters were allowed by Fulbright to jam into a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing in 1972 and to chant "Right on, brother!" as Sen. George McGovern (D-SD), then the only declared Democratic presidential candidate, accused U.S. troops of committing barbarisms in Vietnam.

Kerry became even more of a press celebrity during a highly publicized "anti-war" protest when he threw medals the press reported were his over a barricade and onto the steps of the Capitol. Kerry never mentioned that the medals he so gloriously tossed were not his own. The 1988 issue of Current Biography Yearbook explained: " . . . the ones he had discarded were not his own but had belonged to another veteran who asked him to make the gesture for him. When a 'Washington Post' reporter asked Kerry about the incident, he said: 'They're my medals. I'll do what I want with them. And there shouldn't be any expectations about them.'" Kerry's medals have reappeared, today hanging in his Senate office, now that it is "politically correct" for a U.S. Senator to be portrayed as a Vietnam War hero. Alas, so much for integrity.

Recently, Kerry became extremely defensive when David Warsh, an economics columnist for The Boston Globe, questioned the circumstances for which Kerry was awarded the Silver Star. Kerry, who was in a close re-election battle with Gov. William F. Weld, a Republican, quickly gathered his former crew from his Swift boat days to rebuff the "assault on his integrity."

According to the official citation accompanying the Silver Star for Kerry's actions on the waters of the Mekong Delta on February 28, 1969: "Kerry's craft received a B-40 rocket close aboard. Once again Lieutenant (j.g.) Kerry ordered his units to charge the enemy positions. . . Patrol Craft Fast 94 then
beached in the center of the enemy positions and an enemy soldier sprang up from his position not ten feet from Patrol Craft 94 and fled. Without hesitation Lieutenant (j.g.) Kerry leaped ashore, pursued the man behind a hootch and killed him, capturing a B-40 rocket launcher with a round in the chamber." In an article printed in the October 21st and 28th 1996 edition of The New Yorker, Kerry was asked about the man he had killed.

"It was either going to be him or it was going to be us. It was that simple. I don't know why it wasn't us--I mean, to this day. He had a rocket pointed right at our boat. He stood up out of the hole, and none of us saw him until he was standing in front of us, aiming a rocket right at us, and, for whatever reason, he didn't pull the trigger--he turned and ran. He was shocked to see our boat right in front of him. If he'd pulled the trigger, we'd all be dead . . . I just won't talk about all of it. I don't and I can't. The things that probably really turn me I've never told anybody. Nobody would understand," Kerry said. In the column, Warsh quoted the Swift boat's former gunner, Tom Belodeau, as saying the Viet Cong soldier who Kerry chased "behind a hootch" and "finished off" actually had already been wounded by the gunner.

Warsh wrote that such a "coup de grace" would have been considered a war crime. Belodeau stood beside Kerry and said he'd been misquoted. He conceded that he had fired at and wounded the Viet Cong, but denied Kerry had simply executed the wounded Viet Cong. Dan Carr, a former Marine from Massachusetts, who served 14 months as a rifleman sloshing around in the humid jungles of I Corps, South Vietnam, questioned whether or not Kerry deserved a Silver Star for chasing and killing a lone, wounded, retreating Viet Cong. "Kerry is certainly showing some sensitivity there. Most people I knew in Vietnam were just trying to pull their time there and get the hell out. There were some, though, who actually used Vietnam to get their tickets punched. You know, to build their resumes for future endeavors," Carr said.

In 1991, the United States Senate created the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs to examine the possibility that U.S. POW/MIAs might still be held by the Vietnamese. As chairman of the Select Committee, Kerry proved himself to be a masterful chameleon portraying to the public at large what appeared to be an unbiased approach to resolving the POW/MIA issue. But, in reality, no one in the United States Senate pushed harder to bury the POW/MIA issue, the last obstacle preventing normalization of relations with Hanoi, than John Forbes Kerry. (Remember the middle name "Forbes").

In fact, his first act as chairman was to travel to Southeast Asia, where during a stopover in Bangkok, Thailand, he lectured the U.S. Chamber of Commerce there on the importance of lifting the trade embargo and normalizing relations with Vietnam. During the entire life of the Senate Select Committee, Kerry never missed a chance to propaganderize and distort the facts in favor of Hanoi.

Sydney H. Schanberg, associate editor and columnist for New York Newsday and Pulitzer Prize winning journalist veteran of the Indochina War whose book, The Death and Life of Dith Pran, became the subject of the Academy Award-winning film The Killing Fields, chronicled some of Kerry's more blatant pro-Hanoi biases in several of his columns.

In a Nov. 21, 1993 column, Schanberg wrote, "Highly credible information has been surfacing in recent days which indicates that the headlines you have been reading about a 'breakthrough' in Hanoi's cooperation on the POW/MIA issue are part of a carefully scripted performance. The apparent purpose is to move toward normalization of relations with Hanoi.

"Sen. John F. Kerry, chairman of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, is one of the key figures pushing for normalization. Kerry is currently on a visit to Vietnam where he has been doing two
things: (1) praising the Vietnamese effusively for granting access to their war archives and (2) telling the press that there's no believable evidence to back up the stories of live POWs still being held.
"Ironically, that very kind of live-POW evidence has been brought to Kerry's own committee on a regular basis over the past year, and he has repeatedly sought to impeach its value. Moreover, Kerry and his allies on the committee - such as Sens. John McCain, Nancy Kassebaum and Tom Daschle - have worked to block much of this evidence from being made public."

In December of 1992, not long after Kerry was quoted in the world press stating "President Bush should reward Vietnam within a month for its increased cooperation in accounting for American MIAs," Vietnam announced it had granted Colliers International, based in Boston, Massachusetts, a contract worth billions
designating Colliers International as the exclusive real estate agent representing Vietnam.

That deal alone put Colliers in a position to make tens of millions of dollars on the rush to upgrade Vietnam's ports, railroads, highways, government buildings, etc. C. Stewart Forbes, Chief Executive Officer of Colliers International, is Kerry's cousin. Kerry was portrayed in The New Yorker as a proud
Vietnam veteran and "war hero" who, as chairman of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, dared to take on and defeat the "mendacious POW lobby."

In its 1993 final report, the Select Committee determined that live U.S. prisoners of war were left behind in the hands of the Vietnamese after the end of the war. The committee also claimed it found no "compelling" evidence proving the POWs remain alive today. Kerry's committee stopped there without answering three of the most profound questions of the entire Senate POW/MIA investigation: What happened to those U.S. prisoners of war who the Select Committee said were alive and in the hands of the Vietnamese but not released at the end of the war? If they are dead, where are their remains? Who is responsible for their deaths?

No doubt most of the Establishment press will continue to obscure from the public and themselves the raw truth about Kerry, the communist Vietnamese and the POW/MIA issue because it is politically convenient. There is also no doubt the POW/MIA families and Vietnam veteran activists know the truth and recognize Kerry for what he truly is--a traitor, hypocrite, liar and chameleon.
141 posted on 03/06/2004 10:37:41 AM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: SAMWolf
Hey, that's a good one...did you just make that or is it a real bumper sticker?
142 posted on 03/06/2004 11:03:22 AM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: cake_crumb
I made it. I have a bunch with slogans people suggested.
143 posted on 03/06/2004 11:05:14 AM PST by SAMWolf (Wedding: A funeral where you get to smell your own flowers.)
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To: kellynla
Like I said if someone showed up on drugs he was on the next chopper out. PERIOD! Semper Fi, Kelly

Roger that!

And hopefully needing a dust off bird before he was carried off...

144 posted on 03/06/2004 11:32:35 AM PST by JDoutrider
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To: Hon
Excellent find!


145 posted on 03/06/2004 12:14:07 PM PST by FairOpinion ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country." --- G. W. Bush)
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To: Hon
BTTT

He's also been endorsed by Kim Jong Il.
146 posted on 03/06/2004 12:52:24 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
To your point:

cross-reference this thread:

North Korea warms to Kerry presidency bid

147 posted on 03/06/2004 12:56:20 PM PST by Airborne Longhorn
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To: Airborne Longhorn
Sorry--wrong link!!:

cross-reference this thread:

North Korea warms to Kerry presidency bid

148 posted on 03/06/2004 1:00:57 PM PST by Airborne Longhorn
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To: Hon
He called his friend Walinsky, who had run unsuccessfully for New York attorney general and had excellent financial connections. Walinsky arranged a meeting of potential donors at the Seagram Building in New York City. Among those present were Seagram chief executive Edgar M. Bronfman Sr. and about 20 other New York businessmen who opposed the war. Kerry delivered a low-key speech about the importance of having veterans attend the protest. Then the businessmen were each asked to stand and declare how much they would contribute.

"We raised probably $50,000," Walinsky recalled. "It took an hour."

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061703.shtml

Did Democrat Fat Cats Make John Kerry Famous? [Including Seagram's Bronfman]

So Bronfman was supporting Kerry already way back then in 1971? Very interesting. Bronfman's associate Meyer Lansky had supported Humphrey against Nixon in 1968. Meanwhile that same year Lansky's partner Santos Trafficante, Jr. made a trip to Hong Kong to make an arrangement with some Asian businessmen regarding the prospect of replacing the Turkish supply base for the French Connection with a new supply base in Southeast Asia; related high-level meetings were conducted over the next 3-4 years. The supply route then in use ran through territory controlled by the Union Corse (Lansky's French business partners) in Montreal, which was also the center of the Bronfman Seagram's empire. Curious that in light of that Bronfman should decide to come down on the antiwar side of the political fence by supporting Kerry in 1971.

149 posted on 03/06/2004 1:09:45 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Hon
"I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points it has been stated time and time again, and was stated by Senator Vance Hartke when he returned from Paris, and it has been stated by many other officials of this Government, if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned.

"I think this negates very clearly the argument of the President that we have to maintain a presence in Vietnam, to use as a negotiating block for the return of those prisoners. The setting of a date will accomplish that."

Thus, in 1971, John Effin' Kerry assured the United States Congress that any and all POWs would be returned by NVN and the VC. No "insurance" was required.

In 1993, this same Kerry, now a U.S. Senator investigating whether any POWs were still being held in custody, took steps to shred any and all evidence of their existence.

This explains the Senator's actions -- the Senator is covering up for the Lt JG.

150 posted on 03/06/2004 1:23:48 PM PST by okie01 (www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.)
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