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Kerry Met With Viet Cong And North Vietnamese In Paris In 1971
Congressional Record ^ | March 6, 2004 | John F. Kerry

Posted on 03/06/2004 12:21:15 AM PST by Hon

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To: Hon
whoa.
and he was not tried for treason?
and he was not hanged for treason?
and he is yet a senator, no less?
151 posted on 03/06/2004 2:12:29 PM PST by King Prout (I am coming to think that the tree of liberty is presently dying of thirst.)
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To: kellynla
The thing I can't figure about all this is that when I was in the Delta in parts of late 1969-1970 there were damned few US military around. Sure there were Seals and river patrolling in Ba Xuyen and Sa Dec, and guys running around the Ca Mau Peninsula, but it wasn't at all like I or II Corps where jarheads and grunts were literally everywhere.
I would submit that If Kerry learned anything about what was happening in Viet Nam where most of the fighting was taking place it must have been anecdotal. Thus, his tarring of all military with a broad brush was in fact the exposition of his own "progressive" political ideology. It is, by the way, an ideology he still holds dear.
152 posted on 03/06/2004 2:29:41 PM PST by gaspar
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To: Hon
This is strong evidence Kerry was a traitor in 1971.
153 posted on 03/06/2004 2:38:04 PM PST by ex-Texan
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To: Hon
This piece of trash was meeting with the VC, while our slodiers were dying in the jungles of VN. ANY veteran that would stand up with or for this slug should be ashamed of himself.
154 posted on 03/06/2004 2:40:31 PM PST by marty60
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To: Hon
bttt

I've been hoping to find a source for that '71 Paris meeting. Great job.
155 posted on 03/06/2004 2:41:46 PM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: Mia T
fyi
156 posted on 03/06/2004 2:42:14 PM PST by jla
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To: Robert_Paulson2
"so what??!! ....kerry is sooo a waste of our time."

What are you talking about? This is a man who could very well be our next president, and you think it's a waste of time to dig up information and spread the word about his treasonous activities?

157 posted on 03/06/2004 2:45:17 PM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: Fedora
There is a long Kerry quote in "Who Spoke Up: American Protest Against the War in Vietnam 1963-1975" by Zaroulis and Sullivan. That quote is taken from "Dewey Canyon III; Kerry and VVAW", appearing in The New Soldier (Edited by Thorn and Butler, Macmillan 1971.) Does anyone know if the article by Kerry in the New Soldier is on line anywhere?
158 posted on 03/06/2004 2:56:51 PM PST by gaspar
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To: Hon
You note Kerry's appearance on April 22, 1971. On May 4, Kerry was in New York City to appear in a Bryant Park demonstration along with anti-war senator Vance Hartke and left wing union reps David Livingston and Victor Gotbaum. I wonder if that speech was reported in the NYTimes or elsewhere?
159 posted on 03/06/2004 3:06:11 PM PST by gaspar
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To: cake_crumb; Hon
"You're so good and thorough and accurate."

So very true. Hon is one amazing Freeper.
160 posted on 03/06/2004 3:45:04 PM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: gaspar
I'm not finding the quote readily online. I did find a copy of the Zaroulis and Sullivan book that I could obtain through interlibrary loan if needed. Do you already have a copy or do you want me to try to get ahold of that and scan it in?
161 posted on 03/06/2004 3:47:01 PM PST by Fedora
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To: gaspar
I wonder if that speech was reported in the NYTimes or elsewhere?

What about student newspapers? I believe the University of California at Berkeley has a large archive of student radical newspapers from that time (I have the link somewhere but will need to dig it up); there'd surely be stuff about Kerry in there. Any Freepers with access to the Berkeley library might want to check into this.

162 posted on 03/06/2004 3:49:43 PM PST by Fedora
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To: gaspar
"Does anyone know if the article by Kerry in the New Soldier is on line anywhere?"

Kerry only wrote the "epilogue" for "The New Soldier" --though the book also contains his "speech" before the Senate.

The epilogue is posted at wintersoldier.com, but I scanned it from a copy of the book and will provide it for you gratis:

Epilogue

And so a New Soldier has returned to America, to a nation torn apart by the killing we were asked to do. But, unlike veterans of other wars and some of this one, the New Soldier does not accept the old myths.

We will not quickly join those who march on Veterans' Day waving small flags, calling to memory those thousands who died for the "greater glory of the United States." We will not accept the rhetoric. We will not readily join the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars-in fact, we will find it hard to join anything at all and when we do, we will demand relevancy such as other organizations have recently been unable to provide. We will not take solace from the creation of monuments or the naming of parks after a select few of the thousands of dead Americans and Vietnamese. We will not uphold traditions which decorously memorialize that which was base and grim.

It is from these things the New Soldier is asking America to turn. We are asking America to turn from false glory, hollow victory, fabricated foreign threats, fear which threatens us as a nation, shallow pride which feeds off fear, and mostly from the promises which have proven so deceiving these past ten years.

For many of us there is little to remember but the promises and, most poignantly, the loss of the symbols of those promises -- of John and Robert Kennedy, of Martin Luther King, Jr., of Medgar Evers, of Fred Hampton and Malcolm X, of Allison Krause, Sandy Scheuer, Jeffrey Miller, and William Schroeder from Kent State and Philip Gibbs and James Green from Jackson State; the loss, too, of friends, of Richard Pershing, Peter Johnson, Johnny White, Don Droz, and the other 53,000 Americans who have lost their lives in this degrading and immoral war. The promises of peace candidates who were not peacemakers; of civil rights laws which were not enforced; of educational and medical aid which was downgraded in priority below bombs and guns; of equal opportunity while Mexican-Americans and blacks were drafted in numbers disproportionate to their representation in this country and then made up casualties in even greater disproportion.

I think that, more than anything, the New Soldier is trying to point out how there are two Americas -- the one the speeches are about and the one we really are. Rhetoric has blinded us so much that we are unable to see the realities which exist in this country.

We were sent to Vietnam to kill Communism. But we found instead that we were killing women and children. We knew the saying "War is hell" and we knew also that wars take their toll in civilian casualties. In Vietnam, though, the "greatest soldiers in the world," better armed and better equipped than the opposition, unleashed the power of the greatest technology in the world against thatch huts and mud paths. In the process we created a nation of refugees, bomb craters, amputees, orphans, widows, and prostitutes, and we gave new meaning to the words of the Roman historian Tacitus: "Where they made a desert they called it peace."

The New Soldier has come back determined to make changes without making the world more unjust in the effort to make it just. We have come back determined that human will can control technology and that there is greater dignity and power in human spirit than we have yet been willing to grant ourselves. In Vietnam we made it particularly easy to deny that spirit. We extended an indifference which has too often been part of this country's history and made it easy for men to deal in abstractions. "Oriental human beings" -- "gooks" -- "body count" -- "Nape" -- "Waste 'em" -- "free-fire zone" -- "lf they're dead, they're VC" -- the abstractions took command from the commanders themselves and we realized too late that we were the prisoners of our own neglect and callowness.

By discussing crimes committed in war, the New Soldier is trying to break through the callowness and end the neglect. Regardless of whether crimes have been committed in other wars or even by the other side in this one, America must understand how our participation in Vietnam and the methods and motives used by American fighting men are part of a continuing national moral standard. As New Soldiers we are seeking to elevate that standard as well as to demonstrate where it has been part of a significant illusion. Individuals are trying, by denying themselves the luxury of forgetting about their acts, to spare others the agony of having to commit them at some time in the future.

This is not to say that all soldiers have departed Vietnam with the same feelings about their military service. Certainly not all veterans of this war are New Soldiers. Not all want to be or even understand what many of their veteran contemporaries are trying to say.

Even among the New Soldiers, in our hatred for the war and our drive for change, there is a wide divergence on approaches to change, or, for that matter, on what causes the need for change. I know that my own views do not necessarily represent the feelings of some Vietnam Veterans Against The War. But among all there is an intense and deep-rooted agreement that America has lost sight, hopefully only temporarily, of much that we knew as our greatness.

The New Soldier does not have all the answers. We do not even pretend to. Unquestionably we lack some of the depth of experience from which to provide guidelines for many policy questions. We are aware also of all the traditional arguments -- that those in power have access to information, that America can do no wrong, that America has particular interests which it must safeguard, and so on. In reality, however, there is a big difference between these arguments and what happens to the people involved. In the end, the abstractions never convey the reality of human life.

To be sure, those who make the decisions experience special interest pressures which others, not directly involved in the decision-making process, will not feel. Consequently, those on the outside of the power spectrum find it easier to prescribe solutions for the myriad problems we confront today. In their simplicity these solutions sometimes ignore reality. But more often they cut to the quick of the problem and those on the outside of the power structure show in the absoluteness of their criticisms and demands more wisdom, more moral strength, more compassion, and far more willingness to consider what effect the prescribed solution will have on people -- not the people whose security and social welfare is already guaranteed, but those thousands who are literally and figuratively "in the street."

I myself went into the service with very little awareness of the people in the streets. I accepted then and still accept the idea of service to one's country. But because of all that I saw in Vietnam, the treatment of civilians, the ravaging of their countryside, the needless, useless deaths, the deception and duplicity of our policy, I changed. Traditional assumptions and expectations simply were not enough. I still want to serve my country. I am still willing to pick up arms and defend it -- die for it, if necessary. Now, however, I will not go blindly because my government says that I must go. I will not go unless we can make real our promises of self-determination and justice at home. I will not go unless the threat is a real one and we all know it to be so. I will not go unless the people of this country decide for themselves that we must all of us go.

J.K.
163 posted on 03/06/2004 3:50:06 PM PST by Hon
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To: mike1sg
More evidence that Kerry is a traitor...show it to your boys.
164 posted on 03/06/2004 3:52:59 PM PST by mystery-ak (*The cause of freedom is in good hands*....you betcha, Mr. President!)
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To: Hon
Hello again.

We posted the information about Kerry having met with North Vietnamese and PRG (Vietcong) representatives in Paris several days ago on WinterSoldier.com -- see the February 27 link in What's New. It isn't clear to me that Kerry joined the other 2 VVAW representatives on the 1971 trip, however -- he may well have gone earlier, possibly in 1970. Interestingly, Jane Fonda *was* in Paris in March, 1971 and had a private meeting with Madame Bihn of the PRG. (see "Aid and Comfort")

Tying down exactly when Kerry went to Paris and with whom would be rather a valuable piece of information...

166 posted on 03/06/2004 4:58:59 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: gaspar
Gaspar, I haven't followed the history of Kerry but my hunch is that when he appeared before Congress in '71 all he did was repeat a lot of lies from other people of which we now know some were never in the service and some may have been in the service but were never in Nam. Bottom line, Kerry was telling a lot of "war stories" and we all know about those "war stories"...the guys with the most "war stories" never saw combat. Most guys who were in combat spent years trying to put it behind them not spending years reliving them. There has to be a very good reason why Kerry won't release his medical records from the Navy. And I am betting dollars to donuts the reason is that those 3 PH's are "paper cuts" that he should have never received the Purple Heart for.
167 posted on 03/06/2004 5:26:56 PM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. "C" 1/5 1st Mar Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi "KERRY IS A LYING TRAITOR!")
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To: Hon; Admin Moderator
Great pix, but big OOPS.

Corbis demanded that we never use their pictures on FR, they threatened to sue, etc.

Admin Mod -- please remove
168 posted on 03/06/2004 5:36:58 PM PST by FairOpinion ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country." --- G. W. Bush)
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To: Hon
Is Kerry a communist?
169 posted on 03/06/2004 5:39:29 PM PST by dalebert
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To: FairOpinion
It's watermarked.
170 posted on 03/06/2004 5:54:57 PM PST by Hon
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To: Admin Moderator
Picture in post 165 has Corbis watermark.

Please see my earlier post 168 & the thread posted by Jim Robinson about the Corbis copywrite complaint - they don't want us to use their photos.

Copyright complaint from Corbis
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1084067/posts


Has that copywrite issue been resolved and now it's OK to post Corbis photos?

I just want to make sure FR stays out of trouble.
171 posted on 03/06/2004 5:55:07 PM PST by FairOpinion ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country." --- G. W. Bush)
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To: Hon
That's still a problem -- see

Copyright complaint from Corbis
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1084067/posts


It's a big flap recently -- on account of those Kerry-Fond picture, which was doctored to have them stand next to each other.

Please read the Corbis complaint and Jim Robinson's reply in the thread above.

Believe me, I am not trying to be picky -- just read that and you'll see.

BTW -- I think you are doing a fantastic job in digging things up on Kerry! :)
172 posted on 03/06/2004 5:57:19 PM PST by FairOpinion ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country." --- G. W. Bush)
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To: kellynla
One of the peculiar things about Kerry's testimony to the Senate and his remarks to the media was his claims that he had personally been involved in "search and destroy missions" and personally "set fire to villages."

He was on a damn boat.
173 posted on 03/06/2004 6:38:50 PM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
At one point, he got off the boat to shoot a wounded enemy soldier.
174 posted on 03/06/2004 6:44:09 PM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
I know. In fact, he got off the boat twice that day. He had also gotten off the boat a few days earlier to go chase a pig.

But he wasn't supposed to.
175 posted on 03/06/2004 6:48:53 PM PST by Hon
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To: gaspar
Check the Communist Daily World -- they reported extensively on Kerry during 1971 -- stories and photos. The Communist Daily World is available through NEXUS/LEXUS -- the legal database, available to lawyers and law offices. Here's the website for the archived Communist Daily World back issues:
http://www.lexisnexis.com/academic/2upa/Ars/NewspapersAmericanCommunistParty.asp
This ought to be a goldmine of info on Kerry's anti-American activities as a VVAW leader.
176 posted on 03/06/2004 6:54:14 PM PST by jrlc (Just for Kerry - STOP THE BUSH BASHING)
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To: Hon
Well Hon, you've done a lot more research on Kerry than I have so you know that the guy is capable of telling some real whoppers! LOL I think he's spent the last thirty years padding his resume.
177 posted on 03/06/2004 6:54:50 PM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. "C" 1/5 1st Mar Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi "KERRY IS A LYING TRAITOR!")
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To: kellynla
Ya know, Hon since you have a lot more knowledge of Kerry than most I would see if I could find out more about those Purple Hearts if I were you...there is something very fishy about them and the fact that Kerry won't release his medical records. I bet you'll find that those PH's were commended to him on false pretenses.
178 posted on 03/06/2004 6:59:29 PM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. "C" 1/5 1st Mar Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi "KERRY IS A LYING TRAITOR!")
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To: KQQL
This is gonna be fun, did you make that? It's great!
179 posted on 03/06/2004 7:38:12 PM PST by faithincowboys ( Zell Miller is the only DC Democrat not committing treason.)
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To: faithincowboys
No I found it @

http://politicalhumor.about.com/
180 posted on 03/06/2004 7:46:59 PM PST by KQQL (@)
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To: Interesting Times; Hon
Tying down exactly when Kerry went to Paris and with whom would be rather a valuable piece of information...

Yes. It'd also be worthwhile to crossreference Kerry's Paris contacts with those involved in the Paris peace negotiations during the 1968 campaign. As I recall in 1968 Averell Harriman and Bobby Kennedy were involved in some similar shenanigans trying to undercut LBJ's Vietnam policy by conducting their own negotiations via Paris. Would be interesting to see if any of their Paris contacts linked with Kerry's--especially in light of Kerry's own connection to Ted Kennedy.

181 posted on 03/06/2004 8:10:37 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Hon
Kerry was negotiating with the enemy. He recommended that we immediately accept the enemies terms.

Just when I though Kerry's record couldn't get any worse.....

182 posted on 03/06/2004 8:20:02 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Admin Moderator; FairOpinion; Hon
Urgent ping to posts #165, #168 and #171.
183 posted on 03/06/2004 9:59:12 PM PST by windchime (Podesta about Bush: "He's got four years to try to undo all the stuff we've done." (TIME-1/22/01))
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To: windchime
A you noticed, I tried to get the Admin Moderator's attention -- even posted the Corbis copywrite thread, but it is being ignored.

I try to keep FR out of trouble, doing what's up to me, but, well...

Maybe the Admind Moderator on duty now is awake and will read your post and my earlier ones.
184 posted on 03/06/2004 10:04:54 PM PST by FairOpinion ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country." --- G. W. Bush)
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To: Hon
Kerry is no more electable than Senator Byrd, something that the Democrats are determined learn the hard way.
185 posted on 03/07/2004 1:09:03 AM PST by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: All
Kerry has done the same for North Korea in the 1990s and for Iran since President Bush had referred to Iran as part of the Axis of Evil.

This article and photo should be sent to all the major a news networks from Drudge to CBS and posted in Usenet Newsgroups where it the democrats are succeeding in the flooding of their outright lies in the attempt to define the Bush Presidency for the American people

http://members.tripod.com/~jednet207/PoliticalNewsGroups-PC.html
186 posted on 03/07/2004 1:23:13 AM PST by MaineVoter2002
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To: Hon
As I said in this post a while back, it is not time to set the Vietnam War aside.

The real accounting has barely begun and Kerry's nomination could well be the catalyst for a national reappraisal that will expose the dominant pop-culture/lefty/academic version of Vietnam for the murderous lie it is.

Millions died or spent their lives in slavery because of these traitors, they should be held to account.

187 posted on 03/07/2004 1:50:29 AM PST by atomic conspiracy (Know the enemy, the Hollywood/Madison Avenue Cultural Axis.)
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To: Hon
Just found this great tidbit!!!

At the time the Kerry went to Paris (and all of his time as a protestor!!), he was still an officer in the Navy Reserves!!!

He was discharged from the Naval Reserves on Feb 16 1978!!!

source http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/timeline.htm

Now, what I would like to know, was that "inactive" reserves, or was he required to attend drills? If so, did he??
188 posted on 03/07/2004 2:24:12 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate
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To: Hon
When I look in the face of John Kerry,all I can see is evil. He has the look of satan & pure hatred in his eyes. It is beyond my belief that anyone could support such a person to be the President of our Country & the Commander in Chief of our military. What kind of generation are we raising that would vote for a traitor to be the leader of our Country? I cannot believe that we have sank so low that people would give their vote to Kerry. I am completely shocked in this generation.Where is the decency, & loyalty to America? We have a decent President I hope & pray that he is re-elected. He has restored intgrity & honor to the White House after eight years of Clinton, we need all the help we can get sooo let's keep President G.W. Bush!!!!!!
189 posted on 03/07/2004 2:57:36 AM PST by memaw (evil)
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To: Fedora
#163 answered my question. Thanks.
190 posted on 03/07/2004 3:05:09 AM PST by gaspar
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To: gaspar
Bump
191 posted on 03/07/2004 11:50:32 AM PST by pushforbush
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To: Hon
Your posts are fantastic. Keep up the good work
192 posted on 03/07/2004 11:53:22 AM PST by pushforbush
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To: An.American.Expatriate
"He was discharged from the Naval Reserves on Feb 16 1978!!!"

Somehow Kerry got out of the regular Navy in January, 1970 but didn't go back into the reserves until 1972. Others have suggested that that is highly unusual. Normally there wouldn't be a gap.

As I understand it, as an officer he had a six year committment. So he should have had to serve straight through. But it looks like he managed to get around that so that he could pursue his anti-war activities.
193 posted on 03/07/2004 12:13:30 PM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
Big Bush Bump
194 posted on 03/07/2004 12:58:18 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Hon
OH NO! Our fighting men jump up and yell "KILL!"

How shameful.
195 posted on 03/07/2004 1:07:34 PM PST by Tennessee_Bob (LORD, WHAT CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR, IF NOT FOR THE CARE OF THE REAPER MAN?)
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To: Mike Bates
Well now, I know! that is a doctored pix Right? It is isn't it? Yea, it is!!!
196 posted on 03/07/2004 3:14:50 PM PST by malia (BUSH & CHENEY 2004)
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To: Hon; nutmeg
Good catch, Hon!

Thanks for the flag, nutmeg.
197 posted on 03/07/2004 5:20:09 PM PST by Bigg Red (Never again trust Democrats with national security!)
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To: kellynla
Thank you for your service to our country.
198 posted on 03/07/2004 5:24:42 PM PST by Bigg Red (Never again trust Democrats with national security!)
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To: nopardons
Isn't it illegal for a private citizen to enter into agreements/arrangements/deals with another nation we are at war with ?

Treason. Sedition.
And there is nothing "borderline" about it.

I can't believe this jackass has the balls, 33 years later, to presume to be have what it takes to be our president!

Is there a statute of limitations on treason?

199 posted on 03/07/2004 6:03:19 PM PST by Publius6961 (50.3% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks (subject to a final count).)
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To: Publius6961
It's arrogance. He lacks gonads...always has.
200 posted on 03/07/2004 7:07:30 PM PST by nopardons
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