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Kerry Met With Viet Cong And North Vietnamese In Paris In 1971
Congressional Record ^ | March 6, 2004 | John F. Kerry

Posted on 03/06/2004 12:21:15 AM PST by Hon

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To: Seeking the truth; Hon
This thread is powerful. I feel a little sick to my stomach that this man would get the Democratic nomination.

This may have been covered elsewhere but wasn't Kerry still a member of our armed forces when whe went to Paris to convort with our enemy? Surely, this is/was against the law.

I think "Seeking the truth" has a good question. There is something in Kerry's military records that he is hiding. Supposedly, Admiral Zumwalt was very negative on Kerry. Does anyone have Kerry's dates of service handy?

51 posted on 03/06/2004 5:37:54 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: Hon
Great find. It confirms what we expected when we learned that the VVAW met with the NV and VC in Paris, as did Fonda. Kerry has an extensive public record, which should prove to be a gold mine in terms of campaign material.

Hopefully, the GOP will develop a coordinated strategy to use this material to the best effect. Kerry hasn't even been nominated yet, so I believe it would be wise to wait until Kerry is nominated before launching into a real attack mode. Again, thanks for a great find.

52 posted on 03/06/2004 5:41:25 AM PST by kabar
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To: Just mythoughts
"I bet you Marines never had to film reenactments of your gun fights either?" I am sorry but I don't understand. "film reenactments?" Where I was we were lucky to have something to eat. We certainly didn't have any motion picture equipment. LOL You have to understand that I spent 95 percent of my time in the bush fighting the enemy and trying to survive.
53 posted on 03/06/2004 5:44:32 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. "C" 1/5 1st Mar Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi "KERRY IS A LYING TRAITOR!")
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To: kellynla
Apparently JFKerry had to foresight to get himself a movie camera and filmed reenactments of his gun fights while there.

He has since played and replayed these films over and over and over again. Apparently this was one of his favorite things to do on dates since returning to civilization.

Since his war days are the only thing he will talk about himself in this campaign, he must still be replaying those films in his free time.
54 posted on 03/06/2004 5:49:15 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Hon
For later.
55 posted on 03/06/2004 5:49:59 AM PST by savedbygrace
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To: Hon
This man is running for President of the country based on his military service, yet we are not allowed to see his military records.

Thank you for starting this thread and making us aware of Kerry's traitorous actions.
56 posted on 03/06/2004 5:50:03 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: Just mythoughts
Well "filming reenactments" is certainly foreign to Marine Corps grunts in the bush. Like I said, we were there to fight the enemy and try to stay alive. And we were lucky if we had food and water while we were in the bush. Semper Fi, Kelly
57 posted on 03/06/2004 5:54:56 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. "C" 1/5 1st Mar Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi "KERRY IS A LYING TRAITOR!")
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To: Mrs Zip; BOBWADE
ping
58 posted on 03/06/2004 5:57:49 AM PST by zip
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To: kellynla
"Well "filming reenactments" is certainly foreign to Marine Corps grunts in the bush. Like I said, we were there to fight the enemy and try to stay alive. And we were lucky if we had food and water while we were in the bush. Semper Fi, Kelly"

Yes sir, indeed it is foreign. By the way thank you for you service.

This whole picture of JFKerry even at this time of his life, to have the foresight (lack of a better word) to film reenactments is quite telling of the "kind" of mind this person has.

Not only to film reenactments of his gun fights, which apparently the Brinkley book refers to but all the writings of JFKerry over this very short time frame calls to mind others and their vast writings.

This "picture" into the mind of JFKerry is ????? mental, again for the lack of a better word. The shrink list of words are endless for what kind of mind is at work here.
59 posted on 03/06/2004 6:01:44 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Hon
It seems Kerry is the perfect successor to Clinton in the Oval Office. Both were active in undermining the Uninted States war effort and our troops in Vietnam, and both met the enemy in foreign capitols.

People like them are precisely the reason we LOST the war. If anything, justice is long overdue.

Traitors, both!

60 posted on 03/06/2004 6:03:51 AM PST by Gritty ("Kerry says challenging his record is challenging his patriotism. He's right. His record does!)
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To: Hon
I don't know where you came from, Hon, since you've only been a FReeper since January but you're a damned welcome addition and I've noticed from several of your threads . . . hell most of them in fact . . . that you're scooping the "supposed" expert journalists and news-folks.

Male or female, you're a researching demon with cojones the size of beachballs . . . metaphorically speaking of course.

I like you. I like you a lot. Keep on stroking. You're making a positive difference and I'm one FReeper who damn sure appreciates your efforts. I suspect there's plenty of other FReepers who agree with me.

You're next assignment . . . LOL . . . is to lay your hands on Lurch's medical and medal records from Vietnam. I don't believe the "official" version of his heroism for a second . . . and there can only be one reason for why he's not releasing them. THIS is the reason his camp is so pissed off at McAwful for bringing up the BS about GW being AWOL . . . because they knew it would force us Conservatives to dig into his Vietnam experiences.

You're the best gopher I know . . . get after him.

61 posted on 03/06/2004 6:05:28 AM PST by geedee (A word to the wise ain't necessary. It's the stupid ones who need the advice.)
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To: geedee
Yes!
62 posted on 03/06/2004 6:07:09 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: kellynla
I walked point for the 1st Battalion, 5th Marines in 1969 and 1970 . . .

I realize this is a bit late, sir, but thanks for your service. The "real" soldiers who fought the "real" wars are why we're the greatest country the world has ever known. I salute you.

63 posted on 03/06/2004 6:18:39 AM PST by geedee (A word to the wise ain't necessary. It's the stupid ones who need the advice.)
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To: geedee
I second your Hon accolades. Kerry meeting with the NV and VC is a major story that needs to be made public. I can't believe Weld's people couldn't have dug it up from the Congressional Record. Kerry has been very successful in using his war record against those who have not served and he portrays his antiwar activities (on his site) as a positive. In his case, the best defense is a good offense. I don't think it will work this time in a national election.

We have one true photo of Fonda and Kerry and another one of Kerry appearing with Ramsey Clark. I can almost guarantee that there are others out there, including from Press photo morgues. Even if the national press did not cover Kerry/Fonda in Valley Forge and Detroit, I bet the local press did. It is just a matter of time and research before these photos turn up.

64 posted on 03/06/2004 6:18:52 AM PST by kabar
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To: Hon
The problem exists for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the emptiness. It is the only way to get through it. A lot of guys, 60, 80 percent stay stoned 24 hours a day just to get through the Vietnam

And some guys -- like Hanoi John Kerry -- get three scratches and they're out.....of the war and harm's way! His Vietnam records do need to be called for and released.

It angers me more every day to know that John Kerry was actively working with the enemy in time of war and putting the lives of our men and women on active duty in Vietnam in more danger -- especially because my husband was in country in the central highlands being shot at while Kerry was undermining the war effort. And my husband served a full one-year tour of duty from October 1, 1970 to October 1, 1971.

Thank you, Hon, for doing such detailed research and sharing it with the rest of us.

65 posted on 03/06/2004 6:25:18 AM PST by Angelwood (FReepers are Everywhere! We Support Our Troops! (Hillary's Vast Rt Wg Conspiracy))
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To: geedee
"I salute you" Thank you. I was proud to serve with some of the finest Marines this country every had. Unfortunately, many never returned. Never Forget! And when you see a man in his fifties, sleeping on a bench, please remember that "but for the grace of God go I." Semper Fi, Kelly
66 posted on 03/06/2004 6:27:40 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. "C" 1/5 1st Mar Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi "KERRY IS A LYING TRAITOR!")
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To: Hon
Do you think Hillary put him in there to loose?
67 posted on 03/06/2004 6:32:11 AM PST by The Raven
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To: Just mythoughts; kellynla
This whole picture of JFKerry even at this time of his life, to have the foresight (lack of a better word) to film reenactments is quite telling of the "kind" of mind this person has.

Lurch went to Vietnam to get his "resume" punched . . . nothing more. He made sure he received Purple Hearts for slight or imagined injuries, then staged his "heroic" Silver Star action to be the icing on his panty-waist cake.

Granted, "staged" is my as of yet unproven charge that it's hardly heroic to beach a perfectly-capable boat on a river bank . . . leaving men you're responsible for vulnerable and exposed to enemy fire . . . while you "supposedly" chase after an enemy who's admittedly injured and probably already dead after the hooch he hid in was levelled by a 50-caliber machine gun, and then return to the beached boat with the enemy's weapon and nothing but your word vetting the fact that you are Audie Murphy reincarnated.

Comparing Lurch's staged nonsense to what a real soldier like Kellynla went through is like trying to relive the thrills and chills of a hi-wire artist by listening to a loud-mouthed Carnival Barker.

68 posted on 03/06/2004 6:41:46 AM PST by geedee (A word to the wise ain't necessary. It's the stupid ones who need the advice.)
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To: Hon
bttt
69 posted on 03/06/2004 6:43:41 AM PST by Dante3
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To: Hon
...if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned.

And this genius wants America to trust him in dealing with terrorists?

70 posted on 03/06/2004 6:50:01 AM PST by aculeus
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To: Hon
"A couple of weeks ago I posted this thread about a photograph that I wound in a book about Kerry's group.."

ENOUGH with the winding of photographs!

71 posted on 03/06/2004 6:56:57 AM PST by cookcounty (John Flipflop Kerry ---the only man to have been on BOTH sides of 3 wars!)
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To: kellynla
" "A lot of guys, 60, 80 percent stay stoned 24 hours a day just to get through the Vietnam".

Just what experience did Kerry base this on? Less than 4 months with the Swift boats? I think we should investigate as to why the crews he worked with were such drug-crazed village-burning rapists and murderers.

72 posted on 03/06/2004 7:10:39 AM PST by cookcounty (John Flipflop Kerry ---the only man to have been on BOTH sides of 3 wars!)
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To: Lion Den Dan
The picture is not doctored. It also is a picture of the group meeting with the Viet Kong, not a picture of Kerry. He is not in the picture.
73 posted on 03/06/2004 7:12:16 AM PST by William McKinley
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To: cookcounty
Again, this is all foreign to me. We just didn't tolerate drugs in the bush. We were too dependent on each other to stay alive. We sure as hell couldn't have somebody on drugs. Like I said if someone showed up on drugs he was on the next chopper out. PERIOD! Semper Fi, Kelly
74 posted on 03/06/2004 7:17:01 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. "C" 1/5 1st Mar Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi "KERRY IS A LYING TRAITOR!")
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To: geedee
Very well stated.

Considering what we know about this short time period alone, and following his steps, actions, and words the rest of his life, we are not looking at a "well" mind.

I am reminded of other "famous" leaders who followed the same pattern.
75 posted on 03/06/2004 7:20:15 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Hon
BTTT
76 posted on 03/06/2004 7:34:49 AM PST by cyncooper ("Maybe they were hoping he'd lose the next Iraqi election")
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To: Hon

77 posted on 03/06/2004 7:36:46 AM PST by atomicpossum (Fun pics in my profile)
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To: Jeff Chandler
LOL!
78 posted on 03/06/2004 7:38:31 AM PST by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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To: kellynla
We sure didn't tolerate them in the USAF!
79 posted on 03/06/2004 7:45:41 AM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: Hon
Yep, he certainly did, then he came back here and tried to convince the Nixon administration to bend over and accept all of Hanoi's terms. The guy is a traitor.
80 posted on 03/06/2004 7:49:20 AM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: geedee
Geedee--
I love Hon's stuff too. Just remember there may be a longer story as to who he or she may be and the source and timng of the information. I hope Hon is saving some presents for closer to election day, such as the medical and medal records you've order up!
81 posted on 03/06/2004 7:52:36 AM PST by pushforbush
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To: Hon
As they say in the MEDIA. [The colloquy] ........while ACCURATE is not the whole TRUTH!
82 posted on 03/06/2004 7:52:41 AM PST by PISANO (Our troops...... will NOT tire...will NOT falter.....and WILL NOT FAIL!!!)
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To: Lion Den Dan
"As much as I despise F'ing Kerry I have to say the picture looks doctored to me. Did the buffoon have his mug pasted in to the group to make his antiwar significance seem greater? I wish I could get a copy of this book to read."

You're probably being facetious. But if you're not, no, the photo isn't doctored. But I don't see Kerry in it. I don't think he is in it, thought it isn't all that clear.

The book was published in 1997, and so it is probably out of print. But you could still probably find it on Bookfinder.com for next to nothing. It may even be at your local library. That's where I found it.
83 posted on 03/06/2004 8:00:18 AM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
Fox News 2005

Breaking News

This just in! President Ho Chi Minh Kerry met with leaders of the PLO, Hamas and Hezballah to iron out his new peace plan for the Middle East. Kerry citing for the one billionth time that he served in Viet Nam, said that Israel is in danger of war crimes against his Palestian friends.

In related news, President Kerry paid the family of Bin Laden an undisclosed amount of money for reparations. Kerry apoligized for the preceding president and told dignitaries at the Rose Garden ceremony, "We must learn to put 9-11 behind us and work together in unity."


Then I woke up from my nightmare! I've decided that without national security there is NO national economy.
84 posted on 03/06/2004 8:02:53 AM PST by sully777 (Our descendants will be enslaved by political expediency and expenditure)
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To: Seeking the truth
"This may have been covered elsewhere but wasn't Kerry still a member of our armed forces when whe went to Paris to convort with our enemy?"

No, he had gotten out of the Navy on January 3, 1970 (six months early) to run for Congress. He didn't run.
85 posted on 03/06/2004 8:03:01 AM PST by Hon
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To: Just mythoughts
"Not only to film reenactments of his gun fights, which apparently the Brinkley book refers to but all the writings of JFKerry over this very short time frame calls to mind others and their vast writings."

Yeah, isn't it amazing? Kerry not only found and took the time to film himself quite regularly, he also kept a journal of his every thought--which he still has. He even allowed the Boston Globe to publish parts of it.

He sure was a busy bee during those four months he was in Vietnam. And he certainly wanted to make sure that nobody ever forgot that he was there.
86 posted on 03/06/2004 8:08:57 AM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
"Yeah, isn't it amazing? Kerry not only found and took the time to film himself quite regularly, he also kept a journal of his every thought--which he still has. He even allowed the Boston Globe to publish parts of it.

He sure was a busy bee during those four months he was in Vietnam. And he certainly wanted to make sure that nobody ever forgot that he was there."

I keep listening intently to hear the media request his "films", maybe he is saving them for his own Tea party, during his convention.
87 posted on 03/06/2004 8:11:17 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: geedee
Thanks so much for the kind words. I really do appreciate it and all of the encouragment I have gotten from others on this thread and elsewhere here.

"You're next assignment . . . LOL . . . is to lay your hands on Lurch's medical and medal records from Vietnam."

I don't know if you saw the thread about the book that is reportedly coming out next month by the same Boston Globe reporters who first raised the issue of Kerry's wounds in Vietnam. They are the people who asked Kerry to waive his privacy rights so that they could examine his medical treatments for his three wounds.

It has been reported that their biography is going to question his wounds and his reassignment from Vietnam based on them. If so, it will be quite a story--especially coming from Boston Globe reporters.

88 posted on 03/06/2004 8:13:46 AM PST by Hon
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To: aculeus
...if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned.

And this genius wants America to trust him in dealing with terrorists?

++++

If you can stand to plow through the rest of his Congressional testimony, provided by the FRN at wintersoldier.com, you'll see he is laughably wrong on almost every point and prediction he makes.

For instance, here is holds forth on how many South Vietnamese will need to leave after the war:

Senator AIKEN. I think your answer is ahead of my question. [Laughter.]

SAIGON GOVERNMENT'S ATTITUDE TOWARD COMPLETE WITHDRAWAL DATE

I was going to ask you next what the attitude of the Saigon government would be if we announced that we were going to withdraw our troops, say, by October lst, and be completely out of there -- air, sea, land -- leaving them on their own. What do you think would be the attitude of the Saigon government under those circumstances?

Mr. KERRY. Well, I think if we were to replace the Thieu-Ky-Khiem regime and offer these men sanctuary somewhere, which I think this Government has an obligation to do since we created that government and supported it all along. I think there would not be any problems. The number two man at the Saigon talks to Ambassador Lam was asked by the Concerned Laymen, who visited with them in Paris last month, how long they felt they could survive if the United States would pull out and his answer was 1 week. So I think clearly we do have to face this question. But I think, having done what we have done to that country, we have an obligation to offer sanctuary to the perhaps 2,000, 3,000 people who might face, and obviously they would, we understand that, might face political assassination or something else. But my feeling is that those 3,000 who may have to leave that country --

+++++

He was only off by how many hundreds of thousands?

89 posted on 03/06/2004 8:23:55 AM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
"Kerry was negotiating with the enemy. He recommended that we immediately accept the enemies terms."

Proving just how French he really is.

90 posted on 03/06/2004 8:25:32 AM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Hon
Is this true???
91 posted on 03/06/2004 8:26:52 AM PST by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...
ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my infrequent ‘miscellaneous’ ping list.

92 posted on 03/06/2004 8:28:17 AM PST by nutmeg (Why vote for Bush? Imagine Commander in Chief John Fin Kerry)
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To: Lion Den Dan
"As much as I despise F'ing Kerry I have to say the picture looks doctored to me. Did the buffoon have his mug pasted in to the group to make his antiwar significance seem greater?"

I don't even see him in there. Otherwise I would have saved the pic for my Hanoi John collection. Where is he? Do you see him on there??

93 posted on 03/06/2004 8:28:38 AM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
ping
94 posted on 03/06/2004 8:28:38 AM PST by nutmeg (Why vote for Bush? Imagine Commander in Chief John Fin Kerry)
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To: Just mythoughts
"Since his war days are the only thing he will talk about himself in this campaign, he must still be replaying those films in his free time"

Or replaying portions of them in his campaign commercials.

95 posted on 03/06/2004 8:37:18 AM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: pushforbush
"Just remember there may be a longer story as to who he or she may be and the source and timng of the information."

Of course there is a longer story for me than just my screen name. That's true for everybody here.

But as for the sources and timing of what I post--I just post what I find on the internet or in books. And I post it when I find it.

I'm not working for or with anybody. And I have no plan. All I am trying to do is ferret out information that most of the media never will.

Lots of people here are doing the same thing. And the more the merrier. I don't think there is any danger of the material running out any time soon.
96 posted on 03/06/2004 8:39:27 AM PST by Hon
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To: cookcounty
"I think we should investigate as to why the crews he worked with were such drug-crazed village-burning rapists and murderers."

Don't forget Kerry himself. He's the one who still brags that he committed war crimes - his words - in that short, four month period. And all those alleged heriocs. He was one busy boy, Hanoi John was. I vote he had his own meth lab and private time travel machine. No amount of speed could have put him into all the places, doing all the things he claims to have done.

97 posted on 03/06/2004 8:41:40 AM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: cake_crumb
I keep watching for those.... not even the adoring press has use them????
98 posted on 03/06/2004 8:42:05 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: All
Not only did Kerry say that we should immediately accept the Viet Cong's terms, he thought we owed everyone reparations:

OBLIGATION TO FURNISH ECONOMIC ASSISTANCE

Senator AIKEN. Do you think we are under obligation to furnish them with extensive economic assistance?

Mr. KERRY. Yes, sir. I think we have a very definite obligation to make extensive reparations to the people of Indochina.

99 posted on 03/06/2004 8:47:10 AM PST by Hon
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To: geedee
"Granted, 'staged is my as of yet unproven charge that it's hardly heroic to beach a perfectly-capable boat on a river bank . . ."

It's not unproven. It's pretty well known that Kerry led from the back. He wasn't even the one who fired on the VC and mortally wounded him. The story has only recently changed. I wonder A: how much Kerry paid the guy and B: why the discrepancy in the story has never been brought up by any in the media ("B" is obviously rhetorical)

100 posted on 03/06/2004 8:47:17 AM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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