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Stewart Predicts She'll Be Exonerated
Yahoo! News ^ | March 6, 2004 | ERIN McCLAM

Posted on 03/06/2004 8:53:14 AM PST by El Conservador

NEW YORK - Martha Stewart (news - web sites) predicted she would be "completely exonerated" on appeal after a jury delivered a devastating verdict that could take her from the top of a homemaking empire once worth $1 billion to the inside of a prison cell.

Only a slight grimace at the sound of the word "guilty" broke the stoic face that Stewart had maintained throughout the six-week trial.

"I will appeal the verdict and continue to fight to clear my name," she said in a statement issued just minutes later. "I believe in the fairness of the judicial system and remain confident that I will ultimately prevail."

Stewart herself did not speak as she swept down the stairs of the lower Manhattan courthouse and into a waiting sport-utility vehicle.

A jury of eight women and four men deliberated 12 hours over three days before returning guilty verdicts Friday on all four counts against Stewart — conspiracy, obstruction and two counts of making false statements.

All the charges relate to an accusation that Stewart lied to cover up the reason she sold 3,928 shares of ImClone Systems stock on Dec. 27, 2001 — avoiding a hefty loss when the company announced bad news the next day.

The broker who handled the sale, Peter Bacanovic, was convicted of obstruction, making false statements, conspiracy and perjury, but was acquitted of falsifying a document. He, too, vowed to appeal.

While the charges carry maximum prison terms of 20 years for Stewart and 25 for Bacanovic, federal guidelines could reduce both to a year or so in prison. Sentencing was set for June 17.

"Maybe it's a victory for the little guys who lose money in the market because of these kinds of transactions," said juror Chappell Hartridge.

Another juror, Amos Mellinger, said the panel put Stewart's celebrity aside.

"I had no problem separating her from her TV persona," Mellinger told the New York Daily News. "We weighed all the testimony. I think everybody came to the table with their understanding of the facts."

The verdict jeopardizes the media empire that Stewart carefully built over the years in becoming the nation's premier homemaker — an image she put forth by way of magazines, television programs and everything from cookie cutters and garlic presses to bed sheets and pillows.

Stewart's syndicated television show, "Martha Stewart Living," is being pulled from CBS's New York affiliate following the conviction. The New York Times and the New York Post reported Saturday that WCBS will pull the plug on the show as of Monday and other CBS stations may follow suit.

Stock in Stewart's company, Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia, fell more than 22 percent after the verdict. Marketing experts have said that the company is so closely tied to her name and face that the effect could be devastating.

Stewart had a reputation before the trial as a ruthless businesswoman, and in court she was portrayed as rude, insulting, demanding and cheap. According to testimony, she once threatened to take her business elsewhere because she did not like her brokerage's telephone hold music.

She did not testify at the trial, and her defense put on just one witness — an unsuccessful gamble that jurors would decide the government had not met its burden of proof.

"I would have liked to have heard from her," Hartridge said. "I would have loved to have heard the other side of the story."

The charges centered on why Stewart dumped about $228,000 worth of ImClone Systems stock in 2001, just a day before it was announced that the Food and Drug Administration (news - web sites) had rejected ImClone's application for approval of a cancer drug. The announcement sent ImClone's stock plummeting.

Stewart and Bacanovic claimed they had a standing agreement to sell when the price fell below $60. But the government contended that was a cover story and that Stewart sold because she was tipped by her broker that ImClone CEO Sam Waksal was frantically trying to dump his own holdings.

Waksal later admitted selling his stock based on advance word of the FDA decision. He is serving seven years in prison for insider trading.

Stewart, who averted more than $51,000 in losses by selling when she did, was not charged with insider trading. Instead, she and her broker were accused of lying about the transaction and altering records to support the cover story.

Outside the courthouse Friday, U.S. Attorney David Kelley said all Americans were victims of Stewart and Bacanovic's crimes because lies to investigators weaken the nation's law enforcement system.

"When we first indicted this case, we said it was about lies, all about lies," Kelley said. "As you saw in the evidence, that's what it was."

The government's star witness was Douglas Faneuil, a former Merrill Lynch & Co. assistant who said he passed the tip about Waksal to Stewart on orders from his boss, Bacanovic. He also said Bacanovic pressured him to lie.

Other critical testimony came from Ann Armstrong, Stewart's assistant, who said Stewart personally altered a phone message from Bacanovic; and Mariana Pasternak, a longtime Stewart friend, who said Stewart confided to her days after the ImClone sale that she knew Waksal was trying to sell.

Pasternak said Stewart added: "Isn't it nice to have brokers who tell you those things?"

But Pasternak admitted on cross-examination that the remark may have been something she herself thought, not something Stewart said.

With Stewart's conviction, the government may press to have her removed from the board of her company. She stepped down as chief executive after being indicted last summer but remains as chief creative officer.

Stewart could also face up to $1 million in penalties for the criminal convictions, besides fines the Securities and Exchange Commission (news - web sites) may seek.

Stewart was easily the most recognizable face in the government crackdown on corporate crime that began with the collapse of Enron in 2001. Stewart's supporters claim she was being targeted because of her celebrity status.


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"I will appeal the verdict and continue to fight to clear my name," she said in a statement issued just minutes later. "I believe in the fairness of the judicial system and remain confident that I will ultimately prevail."

Translation: I'm f***ed!!!

1 posted on 03/06/2004 8:53:15 AM PST by El Conservador
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To: El Conservador
of course she thinks she'll prevail. Liberals simply do not go to prison...ever, is how she thinks.
2 posted on 03/06/2004 9:00:33 AM PST by raloxk
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To: El Conservador
This is just bravado talking. Martha is not universally loved, she is an uppity rich ß¡+¢#, and no appeal will be admitted, least of all by the Department of Justice and the Federal Appeals Court.

Oprah is next....[/sarcasm]
3 posted on 03/06/2004 9:04:18 AM PST by alloysteel
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To: El Conservador
I think she has excellent grounds for appeal, i.e., her lawyer's incompetence. When he stated in his closing arguments that she is "too smart" to have done what she was convicted of doing was an elitest statement that, if I had been on the jury, I would have looked very hard for reasons to convict.
4 posted on 03/06/2004 9:20:03 AM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: El Conservador
There's got to be an error in the trial proceedings before she can appeal; she can't appeal simply because she wants another verdict. She'd better start packing her toothbrush and soap-on-a-rope.
5 posted on 03/06/2004 9:22:22 AM PST by Rudder
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To: El Conservador
"I would have liked to have heard from her," Hartridge said. "I would have loved to have heard the other side of the story."

Sorry. If you wanted to hear her side of the story, you'd have had to tune in to any of her numerous TV interviews.

6 posted on 03/06/2004 9:25:41 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: El Conservador
Actually, she may have a chance to beat this on appeal. It depends on what grounds her attornies are appealing on.

The reason I say this is because I've heard and read statements by some jurors since the verdict stating that they saw her as arrogant and insulting and she got her come-upance.

I also read some juror statements that they were insulted by the parade of Martha's high profile sycophants through the courtroom during the trial.

These statements sound to me as if the defense may be able to argue that the jurors did not consider the evidence and were swayed by their emotions and their dislike for the defendent. They may argue that the jury was rendered unable to reach an impartial verdict. At the least they may be able to get a new trial if they get a sympathetic judge. Just my opinion.

7 posted on 03/06/2004 9:27:12 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (If you can read this...you're too close.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Of course, defendent=defendant. Gotta use that spell check thingy.
8 posted on 03/06/2004 9:29:00 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (If you can read this...you're too close.)
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To: El Conservador
And if it were you or me, we'd make these statements from a jail cell, while awaiting our continued exoneration.
9 posted on 03/06/2004 9:29:51 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: El Conservador
"I will appeal the verdict and continue to fight to clear my name," she said in a statement issued just minutes later.

Martha, you had an opportunity to tell your side of the story to the jury, but, for some unfathomable reason, you chose not to. Maybe you should have pulled an OJ and promised to look all over the world for the person who really sold your stock based on inside information.

10 posted on 03/06/2004 9:32:19 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: El Conservador
I wonder what the bases for the appeal will be.
11 posted on 03/06/2004 9:33:54 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
These statements sound to me as if the defense may be able to argue that the jurors did not consider the evidence

I remember how well the jury considered the evidence in the 1994 case: The State of California vs. Orenthal James Simpson. The victims' blood was in his car, his blood was at the crime scene, DNA matched with a 99.999999% probability, yada, yada, yada, "Not Guilty!"

12 posted on 03/06/2004 9:35:54 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: El Conservador
But Pasternak admitted on cross-examination that the remark may have been something she herself thought, not something Stewart said.

One time I met Martha Stewart at a party. She said if I would have sex with her, she'd give me ten million dollars. Oh, wait a minute--that might have just been something I, myself thought, not something she said. I forget.

13 posted on 03/06/2004 9:39:41 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: AD from SpringBay
If ir were your or me they never would have investigated and nothing would have been done. If she gets more then token jail time I would support a pardon for her. Jeez, in world were people steal billions and get away with it and the gov't does nothing this is the big one they do get. 50k loss she avoided? How much did it cost us to convict her. How many of us would look the other way when your stock broker tells you that your stocks are about to fall off a cliff. 50k and the woman is worth millions upon millions. If she wasn't "Martha" would they have done this. I mean I hate her just about as much as everyone else but this was a witchhunt. And since when is lying a crime. As long as I am not under oath or before a court expect the devil to speak through my mouth.Lying may be poor character but its not criminal in my book unless your under oath. While I am all in favor of punishment for criminal activities the punishment should fit the crime and in the real world Martha's crime ranks up there with shoplifting. She didn't commit insider trading and wasn't even charged with it. So if my stock broker tell me that a stock is tanking and people are selling it and I actually act on the info I am guilty of a crime? When would I be allowed to sell or do I have to lose it all before I could act. The blame should be placed on the stockbroker where it belongs, the lay public should not be forced to confront such issues or have to deal with them. In light of the circumstances I think Martha has acted extremely reasonable. She may be a liberal but it don't make it right. Anyone see a similarity to Mr. Limbaugh's problems cuz I sure do. And as stated I do not beleive she should get off but she sure shouldn't recieve anything but a token sentence.

14 posted on 03/06/2004 9:41:20 AM PST by foto
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To: Real Cynic No More
Her lawyers wseren't incompetent. She lied and got caught. Now, the real work by her lawyers begins. I don't expect she will get actual jail time even though she should. It's too bad they don't convict and send more of these high income crooks to jail. That seems to be the only thing they understand.
15 posted on 03/06/2004 9:48:38 AM PST by freekitty
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To: foto
And if you or I were convicted of felony crimes, we'd be sitting in a cell awaiting sentencing.
16 posted on 03/06/2004 9:51:39 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
LOL!
17 posted on 03/06/2004 10:03:49 AM PST by DC native
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To: El Conservador
More like when the new edition of the Oxford Dictionary is released, her picture should be next to the word "denial".
18 posted on 03/06/2004 10:05:55 AM PST by Publius6961 (50.3% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks (subject to a final count).)
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To: El Conservador
For a woman who was just convicted by a jury who thought she was arrogant, categorically stating that she will be "completely exonerated" is a really stupid thing to do.
19 posted on 03/06/2004 10:08:25 AM PST by johniegrad
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To: freekitty
She WILL get jail time. I say two years.

I heard, I think, Nepalitno (sp?) on KFI radio say that one juror commented that they were suspicious that Martha didn't take the stand. That is grounds for appeal right there, he said, because they were instructed to read nothing into her declining to testify.
20 posted on 03/06/2004 10:14:26 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: El Conservador
She also predicted her acquittal.

Psychics are also swindlers so it seems she would be just as good a psychic as she was a stock trader.

21 posted on 03/06/2004 10:14:30 AM PST by tbeatty
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To: Rudder
There's got to be an error in the trial proceedings before she can appeal

Everyone: read Post #5

Appeals are on matters of law -- it is not like there is a second look at the verdict. There must be not just legal error, but aggegious (reversible) error for an appeal to win. Remember, it is judges who decide appeals and they are loathe to overtone the judgments of other judges.

Very, very few appeals win

I am not a lawyer, but I play one when no one is looking...

22 posted on 03/06/2004 10:14:35 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Everyone is stupid! That is why they do all those stupid things! -- H. Simpson.)
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To: Rudder
Appeals in Fed courts take two years.

One wonders if she will be granted bail for that period.

Any FR lawyers familiar with fed laws in this regard?

I know that it can go either way in state courts.

23 posted on 03/06/2004 10:15:39 AM PST by Cold Heat (In politics stupidity is not a handicap. --Napoleon Bonapart)
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To: El Conservador
No sympathy here, Martha baby.

Better start getting those orange prison jumpsuits pre-tailored, girl, because all your new prison girlfriends are already lining up for dates with you.

I'd suggest putting her on a *death watch*, just in case. Death by quiche is not a pleasant way to go.
24 posted on 03/06/2004 10:17:17 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (Dogs have masters; Cats have staff...)
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To: johniegrad
is a really stupid thing to do.

The same stupid stuff that got here indicted.

25 posted on 03/06/2004 10:18:22 AM PST by Cold Heat (In politics stupidity is not a handicap. --Napoleon Bonapart)
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To: Real Cynic No More
I think she has excellent grounds for appeal, i.e., her lawyer's incompetence. When he stated in his closing arguments that she is "too smart" to have done what she was convicted of doing was an elitest statement that, if I had been on the jury, I would have looked very hard for reasons to convict.

I love this approach to appeal, (1) Hire one of the highest priced legal team available and the when you lose (2) appeal on the grounds that you had incompetent defense. It won't hunt.

26 posted on 03/06/2004 10:32:41 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: El Conservador
Sounds like Martha's been cooking with loco mushrooms again.
27 posted on 03/06/2004 10:33:41 AM PST by mass55th
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To: freedumb2003
egregious
28 posted on 03/06/2004 10:33:47 AM PST by Rudder
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
I wondered about that too. Seeing these jurors boasting that they "did this for the little guy," or some such nonsense, indicates to me that they quite possibly intended to find her guilty from the very start. The media also seemed very much lined up against her, which puzzled me, since she's a Dem. But I think what they really dislike about her is that she is a capitalist success story, and we all know that's a BAAAAD thing, almost as bad as - well, being white or something like that.
29 posted on 03/06/2004 10:39:03 AM PST by livius
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To: foto
If it were you or me we still probably would have seen that the broker was giving us a chance to trade before the public at large got the news. This is what insider trading is all about. If you deal in the market you should learn this, because the "I did not know" defense is not a strong one.

Now Martha was a past member of the stock exchange and CEO of her own company and she did know. When she lied during the investigation, she offended to officers who took her statements. When you piss off the law, they may come after you. Again, don't cuss out the patrolman when he pulls you over, pissing him off is a sure way to get a ticket. Right? this is what Martha did, and if she were not worth so many millions, she migt not have thought she would get a free pass.
30 posted on 03/06/2004 10:39:11 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
These statements sound to me as if the defense may be able to argue that the jurors did not consider the evidence and were swayed by their emotions and their dislike for the defendent.

I wouldn't be surprised if that one juror already has a book deal after his saying this was a victory for the little people. He couldn't wait to get in front of the cameras.

And as far as dislike goes, just listen to all the invectives from the class warrior conservatives here on FR.

31 posted on 03/06/2004 10:48:55 AM PST by Moonman62
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To: freedumb2003
lets not forget the standard of review. Her appeal will probably be on the weakes standard "abuse of discretion by the judge." I want to know if she will be allowed to post bond pending appeal...
32 posted on 03/06/2004 10:52:29 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: KC_for_Freedom
If it were you or me we still probably would have seen that the broker was giving us a chance to trade before the public at large got the news.

Brokers are always passing rumors about who is selling and who is buying. I doubt that anyone's ever been convicted for getting that kind of information from a broker. That's why Martha wasn't charged with insider trading.

33 posted on 03/06/2004 10:57:03 AM PST by Moonman62
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To: livius
But I think what they really dislike about her is that she is a capitalist success story, and we all know that's a BAAAAD thing, almost as bad as - well, being white or something like that.

That includes many of the anti-capitalists here on FR who are jealous of self-made people. This case was about the politicians providing scapegoats for the bad economy leading up to the 2002 midterm elections.

34 posted on 03/06/2004 11:01:47 AM PST by Moonman62
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To: El Conservador
The only thing that bugs me is she is still on the street...Guess that's what money can do for you...
35 posted on 03/06/2004 11:12:21 AM PST by Iscool
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To: freedumb2003
Appeals are on matters of law -- it is not like there is a second look at the verdict. There must be not just legal error, but aggegious (reversible) error for an appeal to win. Remember, it is judges who decide appeals and they are loathe to overtone the judgments of other judges. Very, very few appeals win

I beg to differ, at least when govt and big money is involved. Myself and two friends were involved in a lawsuit in Cincinnati where the Cincinnati Reds baseball team did not pay rent for use of the Riverfront Stadium for several years. As landlord the City of Cincinnati had a responsibility to the pulblic to collect but refused to do so.

The Cincinnati Reds refused to pay rent for several years, most likely because of an agreement between the city of Cincinnati and Mike Brown, owner of the Cincinnati Bengals football team. The City was paying the Bengals approx. 2 mil a year to not leave; until the City and the County could figure away to screw the taxpayers into building new Football and Baseball stadiums.

Apparently the Reds didn't like the special treatment for the Bengals and simply refused to pay rent (approx. $2 mil a year) for several years. The city turned a blind eye to it (may even have endorsed it under the table) and did not collect the rent (taxpayer money). The amount owed to the Ciy plus interest totaled $10 mil.

Further, we found out that the $2 mil a year the city was paying the Bengals to stay actually came from a sinking fund designated for the continued upkeep/repair of the Riverfront stadium. By 1996 this amounted to over $15 million missing from the fund, and the stadium was falling apart because of it.

We caught them and sued in court (a taxpayers class action suit). We even had an injuction in place to prevent the Reds Opening Day in 1996. Of course the Reds quickly found another judge to remove the injunction.

The laws in Ohio regarding this situation were very, very, clear and specific against the Reds and the City. We had an absolute no brainer case. The case was assigned to a retiring judge, and of course the pro-sports local media didn't like to talk about it much. Everyone was so elated about the recent passing of the Stadiums county sales tax increases and on the new maid and valet jobs that would be created when the stadiums were built.

Initially, the Reds attorneys claimed that the Plantiff (a friend of mine) was a skin head racist; even though his wife was a person of color and he had two children from the marriage. The media ran with the disgruntled skinhead story. The only other media mention for 6 years was when we won the trial case and they ran a story of how the citizens of Cincinnati owned the plaintiff thanks for winning back the $10 mil.

The trial court drug it out for six years, trying to allow the Reds and the City every out, but we finally won the case.

The Reds subsequently appealed (there were NO apparent appealable errors), even admititing to certain things, and the case was overturned. The convoluted appellate decision seemed to confirm the wrongdoings but overturned the trail court anyway (After two years I'm still trying to figure out the appelate courts rational). We then appealed to the Supreme court of Ohio (a body of politicians not known for their judicial intellect) and they refused to hear it.

Curiously, after the trial court decision, the high dollar shysters for the Reds wanted us to settle for a minimum $30,000 grand hassle fee, but were adamant that the had the appeal locked up. Guess we were really naive. The old boy RINO Hamilton County Court system prevailed.

Laws and rules are for the little people; not big money and politics. That being said, I think Martha got railroaded, and even though I don't like her, I believe she got screwed. Perhaps a case of the elitist eating one of their as an offering to the peasants.

Sui

36 posted on 03/06/2004 11:19:44 AM PST by suijuris
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To: foto
How many of us would look the other way when your stock broker tells you that your stocks are about to fall off a cliff.

You are allowed to sell your stock if your broker tells you they are about to fall off a cliff. The only time you couldn't sell would be if the broker obtained the information illegally and passed it on to you. If his recommendation was the result of technical analysis, fundamental analysis, or reading tea leaves--no problem! If he knew the stock was going to tank because the CEO of the company told him so--big problem!

And since when is lying a crime.

Lying, when it obstructs justice, has always been a crime. Suppose you see your best friend running out of a bank carrying a gun in one hand and a bag of money in the other. If you tell the cops he went north when he, in fact, went south, you have committed a crime. Doctoring computer and telephone logs is a crime. Shredding evidence is a crime. Hiding gifts to Monica Lewinsky under Betty Currie's bed is a crime, unless you are Bill Clinton.

37 posted on 03/06/2004 11:49:12 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
The only time you couldn't sell would be if the broker obtained the information illegally and passed it on to you.

Let me amend that slightly. You would have to be aware that the information had been obtained illegally before you could be prosecuted for insider trading. If the broker obtained the information from an insider, but boasted to you that his recommendations were based on his brilliant analytical skills, you would not be at fault.

38 posted on 03/06/2004 11:55:21 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Post-conviction remarks of jurors are not admissible for appeal or grounds, other than bribe allegations, etc.

Judge made most in-trial rulings in her favor. She even dismissed other charge. This is not a case to win on appeal.

Sentence guidelines: 10-24 months at Club Fed. My guess, 12-16 months with a life bar on any further activities involving a publicly traded company.
39 posted on 03/06/2004 12:06:10 PM PST by MindBender26 (News first,,,, fast,,,,, five minutes sooner.... on your local FReeper Network station)
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To: Rudder
egregious

No shat! I ran it thru the Spell Check and as Gos Is my Witness, I thought I selected your spelling!

I have a new tagline in mind re: the spealing cheker. But it is nice that JR (John if I understand the FR setup correctly) provided something ;)

40 posted on 03/06/2004 1:01:00 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Everyone is stupid! That is why they do all those stupid things! -- H. Simpson.)
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To: El Conservador
Martha Stewart predicted she would be "completely exonerated"

Yep, they walked right into your trap, Martha. They're at your mercy now.

41 posted on 03/06/2004 1:02:58 PM PST by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: El Conservador
You never know on appeal. A friendly liberal judge may find grounds for "reversible error" or something. Stay tuned.
42 posted on 03/06/2004 1:03:28 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: El Conservador; All
Martha could have dodged the entire prosecution if she simply said to the investigators,
"Look, I was taken in, like many people over the years, by Sam Waksal. I even permitted my daughter to date him, for goodness sakes. I thought he was a legit, upstanding businessman, even a great man, a scientist. I didn't know - and neither did thousands of investers -- that he was a sociopathic liar and con-man. I took his advice, passed to me through my broker, and I never thought twice (and only had a moment to decide whether to sell or not, in any event)."

If she'd taken that line, she would have avoided ALL of this, the investigators would not have been able to prove any criminal mens rea, and she could have offered to pay a fine or some other restitution.
43 posted on 03/06/2004 1:05:49 PM PST by WL-law
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To: El Conservador
Martha Stewart predicted she would be "completely exonerated"

As I understand the situation, the court's findings of fact will stand. The only chance an appeal has of freeing her is to uncover some technical flaw in the trial. The facts as the jury saw them will stand.

44 posted on 03/06/2004 1:08:57 PM PST by JoeGar
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To: suijuris
Laws and rules are for the little people; not big money and politics

I stand corrected, sort of. Yes, the supposed "law basis" for appeals is frequently slanted to the Johnny Cochrans of the workd (your case in point is on point). But, my post was to tell people what an "appeal" means.

But, as long as human beings adjucate the law, we will have what happened in your case.

45 posted on 03/06/2004 1:10:15 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Everyone is stupid! That is why they do all those stupid things! -- H. Simpson.)
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To: foto
Jeez, in world were people steal billions and get away with it and the gov't does nothing this is the big one they do get. 50k loss she avoided? How much did it cost us to convict her. How many of us would look the other way when your stock broker tells you that your stocks are about to fall off a cliff. 50k and the woman is worth millions upon millions. If she wasn't "Martha" would they have done this. I mean I hate her just about as much as everyone else but this was a witchhunt. And since when is lying a crime. As long as I am not under oath or before a court expect the devil to speak through my mouth.

What a breath-takingly WRONG post -- so many errors in reasoning. Wow.

She WAS under oath when she lied. She profitted illegally by $50K -- no small amount. People are convicted of Grand Larceny -- a felony -- every day for thefts of amounts in excess of $200.00 -- that's TWO HUNDRED dollars.

As for the witchhunt, sometimes you may actually catch a witch.

46 posted on 03/06/2004 1:12:02 PM PST by WL-law
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To: freekitty
Her lawyers weren't incompetent.

She had lawyers present when she was questioned by the SEC investigators. THEY were incompetent, as they should have never helped her concoct he lying scheme / false story.

Her trial lawyers also conducted poor cross-examinations that further damaged Martha, and put on a piss-poor defense case, even leaving aside the decision as to whether Martha should testify.

47 posted on 03/06/2004 1:15:25 PM PST by WL-law
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To: SoCal Pubbie
That is grounds for appeal right there, he said, because they were instructed to read nothing into her declining to testify.

Won't succeed. Prosecutors are not allowed to comment negatively (i.e., in closing argument) on a defendant's decision not to testify (because of the defendant's Fifth Amendment right) but jurors can and do apply common sense in their deliberations, and no judge can prevent that.

48 posted on 03/06/2004 1:19:51 PM PST by WL-law
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To: WL-law
They didn't bring an insider trading charge against her because they couldn't. The securities fraud charge the prosecutors invented (that she somehow defrauded the investers in her own company) the judge threw out. She was convicted for lying to the prosecutors, plain and simple. By all accounts, she's a nasty woman--but this prosecution is stupid and unfair. Free Martha.
49 posted on 03/06/2004 1:33:10 PM PST by maro
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To: maro
She was convicted for lying to the prosecutors, plain and simple. By all accounts, she's a nasty woman--but this prosecution is stupid and unfair. Free Martha.

Is it your position that it is okay to lie to prosecutors?

50 posted on 03/06/2004 1:35:50 PM PST by Cboldt
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