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Treaty by stealth – again!
worldnetdaily ^ | March 6, 2004 | Henry Lamb

Posted on 03/07/2004 12:26:50 PM PST by westerfield

Shielded by the media glare of presidential politics and daily explosions in Iraq, two crucial issues are about to be decided by the U.S. Senate, without the knowledge of the American people.

Issue 1: Should the United States ratify the Law of the Seas Treaty (Treaty Doc. 103-39)?

Issue 2: Should any U.N. treaty be ratified without full, open debate and a recorded vote?

The answer to both questions should be a resounding "no." Nevertheless, the treaty is very near ratification by unanimous consent, having never been debated, and without a recorded vote. This is the same procedure used to ratify the U.N. Convention on Desertification, back in 2000.

The Law of the Seas Treaty was rejected by Ronald Reagan in 1982. After some polishing around the edges of the treaty language, Bill Clinton signed the treaty in 1994 and sent it to the Senate for ratification. There it sat, dormant, until Oct. 7, 2003. Mysteriously, the treaty appeared on the Foreign Relations Committee hearings calendar on Oct. 14 and Oct. 21, but no opposing voices were allowed to present testimony. This is precisely the same procedure used with the Convention on Desertification.

Next, a request for unanimous consent is issued. If no senator files an objection within a specified period of time, then the treaty can be approved by a voice vote, with no votes recorded.

After the Convention on Desertification was ratified by unanimous consent, many senators did not know it had even been considered or that they had voted for it.

All the reasons the treaty was rejected by Ronald Reagan 22 years ago still exist. The treaty gives a U.N. agency the authority to tax by requiring a permit to engage in any activity affecting the seabed, such as oil drilling or mining. Originally, the permit fee price began at $500,000. Madeleine Albright's renegotiated version reduced the starting price to $250,000. The U.N. agency can also require royalty payments for any minerals extracted from the seabed. Even more important, the permit process can require detailed information about the technology to be used, which can then be shared with all member nations without regard for intellectual-property rights or security concerns.

The treaty raises serious national-security questions. Currently, any ship on the high seas that the U.S. suspects of carrying terrorists or supplies in support of terrorists can be boarded and detained under U.S. law. If the U.S. ratifies this treaty, the U.N.'s permission will be necessary before stopping a ship on the high seas.

This treaty gives the U.N. the first real power to tax and regulate what it calls the "global commons." Other U.N. initiatives seek to tax and regulate all of the global commons, which the U.N. defines to include "outer space, the atmosphere and the environment that supports human life." ("Our Global Neighborhood," p. 251)

If Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., chair of the Foreign Relations Committee, has his way, this treaty will become the law of the land without ever being debated and without a recorded vote. Every senator should recoil against this process and insist that if the treaty is to be ratified, the American people deserve to know which senators voted for and against this surrender of national sovereignty.

The U.S. Senate has become proficient at bypassing constitutional direction. Senate Democrats use Senate rules to block judicial appointments rather than to comply with the directive of the Constitution. Now the Senate Republicans are using Senate rules to avoid the two-thirds vote required to ratify any treaty. This behavior, on both sides of the political aisle, is nothing short of despicable – unworthy of any official who has sworn to uphold the Constitution.

The only power on earth strong enough to bridle the run-away power of run-amok senators is people power. The people who put them in office can remove them from office, and these senators need to be reminded of that power from time to time. This Law of the Seas Treaty is one of the times the American people should exercise their power and hold their senators accountable. The telephone is a handy tool between elections. Every senator should be asked to explain his or her position on the treaty itself and on the unanimous consent process.

The future of America is too important to be left in the hands of politicians; the people, by their actions, or inaction, will determine whether the United States continues as a sovereign nation or succumbs to the U.N.'s quest for global governance.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; camelsnose; conspiracy; constitution; globalism; govwatch; henrylamb; lost; monroedoctrine; nationalsovereignty; newworldorder; sovereigntylist; un; unlist; worldsocialism

1 posted on 03/07/2004 12:26:51 PM PST by westerfield
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To: westerfield
GRRRrrrr!!!!
2 posted on 03/07/2004 12:48:46 PM PST by spyone
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To: westerfield
The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (T. Doc.103-39)

Deep Seabed Mining: U.S. Interests and the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea

U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea: Living Resources Provisions

3 posted on 03/07/2004 12:54:38 PM PST by optimistically_conservative (If consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds, John F. Kerry’s mind must be freaking enormous. T.B.)
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To: optimistically_conservative
Thanks for the links!
4 posted on 03/07/2004 1:04:46 PM PST by westerfield
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To: spyone
GRRRrrrr!!!!, is right. Call your Senator to have him voice an objection.
5 posted on 03/07/2004 1:26:54 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: farmfriend
ping
6 posted on 03/07/2004 1:48:55 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: westerfield
Sounds like it's freepin time.
7 posted on 03/07/2004 2:00:55 PM PST by Valin (America is the land mine between barbarism and civilization.)
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To: westerfield
A more detailed version of this was posted yesterday; title- Global Nightmare: Saving the LOST

But this version mentions that Clintoon signed it, which answers my question, "how could we be stupid enough to sign that?"

What could Senator Lugar's motivation be? Is he a "one worlder"?
8 posted on 03/07/2004 2:24:02 PM PST by JimRed (Fight election fraud! Volunteer as a local poll watcher, challenger or district official.)
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To: westerfield; abbi_normal_2; Ace2U; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; amom; AndreaZingg; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.
9 posted on 03/07/2004 3:10:33 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: Bikers4Bush; LiteKeeper; RickofEssex; bulldogs; Vigilanteman; ServesURight; NonValueAdded; ...
LOST Ping
10 posted on 03/07/2004 3:28:39 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
Please take me off your ping list.
11 posted on 03/07/2004 3:58:09 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: westerfield
Pull the plug on the UN
12 posted on 03/07/2004 4:00:47 PM PST by NorseWood
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To: Paul C. Jesup
okie doakie
13 posted on 03/07/2004 4:07:19 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: westerfield; B4Ranch
sick.
14 posted on 03/07/2004 5:03:27 PM PST by glock rocks (molon labe)
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To: Robert DeLong
"GRRRrrrr!!!!, is right. Call your Senator to have him voice an objection."

Just what good do you think that will do?

Call your Senator and tell him he sucks for not recording his vote

15 posted on 03/07/2004 5:08:10 PM PST by B4Ranch (Don't be so open-minded your brains fall out.)
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To: mhking; Carry_Okie; JohnHuang2; Travis McGee; dyed_in_the_wool; MeekOneGOP; onyx; nopardons; ...
heads-up to everyone whose userID I can spool off from memory:

U.N./SENATE ON-GOING RAPE OF CONSTITUTION PING!

16 posted on 03/07/2004 11:15:28 PM PST by King Prout (I am coming to think that the tree of liberty is presently dying of thirst.)
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To: King Prout; PhiKapMom; My2Cents; Howlin; MeekOneGOP; jmstein7; Peach
Lugar again. I can't tell you how much I despise him.


*please ping your lists*
17 posted on 03/07/2004 11:22:27 PM PST by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Jeffrey Dahmer, and Timothy McVeigh)
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To: KevinDavis; RightWhale
this bears on Space.
Please ping your space-interest lists, as well as all others who oppose the UN's efforts to subvert the US Constitution.
18 posted on 03/07/2004 11:30:01 PM PST by King Prout (I am coming to think that the tree of liberty is presently dying of thirst.)
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To: farmfriend
BTTT!!!!!!
19 posted on 03/08/2004 3:07:55 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: King Prout

Molon Labe!

20 posted on 03/08/2004 5:58:56 AM PST by TERMINATTOR (Sic semper tyrannis! (Thus always to tyrants!) -John Wilkes Booth)
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To: onyx; King Prout; Alamo-Girl; ALOHA RONNIE; SpookBrat; Republican Wildcat; Howlin; ...
*please ping your lists*

Treaty by stealth – again!

Thanks for the heads up, Onyx ! ...


Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my General Interest ping list!. . .don't be shy.


21 posted on 03/08/2004 6:57:36 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (The Democrats say they believe in CHOICE. I have chosen to vote STRAIGHT TICKET GOP for years !!)
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To: MeekOneGOP
Thanks for the ping!
22 posted on 03/08/2004 7:26:56 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: MeekOneGOP
Thanks for the ping, Meekie. I'm calling Pat Roberts office.
23 posted on 03/08/2004 7:30:23 AM PST by Bahbah
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To: westerfield
OK then, let's get on this right now. Call your Senator's freepers, this is most likely similar to how the FTAA treaty will be adopted. Our sovereignty gone without a shot fired or a whimper.
24 posted on 03/08/2004 7:30:34 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Landru; Mudboy Slim; sultan88
Screw the UN PING:

"All the reasons the treaty was rejected by Ronald Reagan 22 years ago still exist. The treaty gives a U.N. agency the authority to tax by requiring a permit to engage in any activity affecting the seabed, such as oil drilling or mining. Originally, the permit fee price began at $500,000. Madeleine Albright's renegotiated version reduced the starting price to $250,000. The U.N. agency can also require royalty payments for any minerals extracted from the seabed. Even more important, the permit process can require detailed information about the technology to be used, which can then be shared with all member nations without regard for intellectual-property rights or security concerns.

The treaty raises serious national-security questions. Currently, any ship on the high seas that the U.S. suspects of carrying terrorists or supplies in support of terrorists can be boarded and detained under U.S. law. If the U.S. ratifies this treaty, the U.N.'s permission will be necessary before stopping a ship on the high seas.

This treaty gives the U.N. the first real power to tax and regulate what it calls the "global commons." Other U.N. initiatives seek to tax and regulate all of the global commons, which the U.N. defines to include "outer space, the atmosphere and the environment that supports human life." ("Our Global Neighborhood," p. 251)

If Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., chair of the Foreign Relations Committee, has his way, this treaty will become the law of the land without ever being debated and without a recorded vote. Every senator should recoil against this process and insist that if the treaty is to be ratified, the American people deserve to know which senators voted for and against this surrender of national sovereignty."


The ONLY reason the UN exists, is to fleece the US of money. That's very clear here, and all with the help of a Republican Senator. With friends like Richard Lugar, who needs enenies?
25 posted on 03/08/2004 7:58:36 AM PST by FBD (...Please press 2 for English...for Espanol, please stay on the line...)
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To: MissAmericanPie; All
Previous threads on this LOST treaty. There is more to it than this article covers.

Global nightmare: Saving the LOST

Law Of The Sea By Dark Of Night By Paul M. Weyrich March 3, 2004

John Kerry’s Treaty - Outsourcing sovereignty

The treaty fails to address, let alone offer solutions to, the most dangerous flashpoints for military conflict facing the world. In fact, Communist China is using its own unique interpretation of the treaty to justify its inexorably increasing control over the strategic South China Sea. The PRC creates and fortifies man-made islands near that sea's rich oil and mineral deposits, then asserts that LOST entitles it to exclusive economic control of the waters within a 200 nautical-mile radius — including waters transited by the vast majority of Japanese and American oil tankers en route to and from the Persian Gulf.

26 posted on 03/08/2004 7:59:26 AM PST by TigersEye (Carrying a gun is a social obligation.)
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To: MissAmericanPie
Anyone calling a senator should ask for their opinion in writing. That way you have it on the record.

Alos, it would be great to post your phone experience here too. For example, did the person you spoke to know of the treaty? Are they aware of the sovereignty issues? Are they allowed to speak about it to you? Very curious about this.
27 posted on 03/08/2004 8:01:53 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: MissAmericanPie
We should probably take the same action on the FTAA. Start heating things up now, before its too late.
28 posted on 03/08/2004 8:02:53 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: TigersEye
Here is a concurrent thread on LOST.Sink the Law of the Sea Treaty
29 posted on 03/08/2004 8:07:57 AM PST by TigersEye (Carrying a gun is a social obligation.)
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To: westerfield
After the Convention on Desertification was ratified by unanimous consent, many senators did not know it had even been considered or that they had voted for it.

That appears to me to me gross negligence.

30 posted on 03/08/2004 8:11:34 AM PST by R. Scott
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To: NorseWood

31 posted on 03/08/2004 8:16:04 AM PST by R. Scott
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To: hedgetrimmer
Yes, that's for certain. It would not hurt to mention both when calling.
32 posted on 03/08/2004 8:33:07 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: R. Scott
"That appears to me to me gross negligence."

Or an outright bold faced lie.

A lie that'll be swallowed hook line & sinker by the ignorant, dumbed down electorate.

...again.

33 posted on 03/08/2004 8:43:33 AM PST by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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To: FBD
Hailing from the state responsible for [repeatedly] sending the loser Lugar back again & again?
I can say -- with absloute certainty -- the disgraceful Arelen Spectre *&* John McCain have serious competition.

...for slimey sellout RINO of the year.

34 posted on 03/08/2004 8:48:18 AM PST by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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To: R. Scott
I was going to call my two senators, but they only hear telephone calls through their left ears (California!).
35 posted on 03/08/2004 8:52:58 AM PST by NorseWood
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To: knighthawk
*PING!


36 posted on 03/08/2004 9:47:26 AM PST by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that does not trust you with guns?)
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To: Tom Jefferson; backhoe; Militiaman7; BARLF; timestax; imintrouble; cake_crumb; Brad's Gramma; ...
This treaty gives the U.N. the first real power to tax and regulate what it calls the "global commons." Other U.N. initiatives seek to tax and regulate all of the global commons, which the U.N. defines to include "outer space, the atmosphere and the environment that supports human life."

No more UN for US-list

If people want on or off this list, please let me know.

37 posted on 03/08/2004 9:57:52 AM PST by knighthawk (Live today, there is no time to lose, because when tomorrow comes it's all just yesterday's blues)
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To: westerfield
My senatori (Thomas and Enzi-WY) got two barrels (figuratively speaking, that is) from me on Saturday.
38 posted on 03/08/2004 10:01:06 AM PST by hardhead ("Curly, if you say its a fine morning, I'll shoot you!" - John Wayne, 'McLintock' - 1963)
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To: westerfield
BTTT
39 posted on 03/08/2004 10:04:30 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Space Available for Rent or Lease by the Day, Week, or Month. Reasonable Rates. Inquire within.)
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To: westerfield
LOST gives too much US power away to foreign sources.
40 posted on 03/08/2004 10:07:44 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Landru
The electorate buys the same old lines year after year.
41 posted on 03/08/2004 10:30:48 AM PST by R. Scott
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To: westerfield
Once again, there's that damned RINO Dick Lugar doing everything he can to un-do America.

He needs to be voted out of office, but I doubt of the sheep in my state will ever do that.

42 posted on 03/08/2004 2:23:51 PM PST by FierceDraka (Service and Glory!)
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To: knighthawk
Thanks for the ping. Guess a few phone calls and/or emails are in order.
43 posted on 03/08/2004 7:49:54 PM PST by bjcintennessee (Don't Sweat the Small Stuff)
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To: westerfield
Perhaps we need a constitutional amendment:
  1. In all matters where this Constitution requires the legislature to vote, a permanent and indelible record shall be created showing how each legislator voted, and showing that the legislator agreed with the way his vote was recorded.
  2. In all matters where this Constitution requires the legislature to vote, a quorum of legislators present and voting (including explicit recorded abstentions) shall be required. If the number of legislators present and voting (including explicit recorded abstentions) does not constitute a quorum, the vote shall be considered null and void.
Anyone like that as an idea? Another thing I'd like to see (though on another subject, and it's even less likely to pass than the above) would be:
If any rule or regulation is created by any entity other than Congress, the rule may be nullified by fifty percent of either the House or the Senate, or by the President. Once nullified, the rule may not be reinstated except by standard legislative process.
Anyone like that notion?
44 posted on 03/08/2004 10:47:18 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: Texasforever
Mysteriously, the treaty appeared on the Foreign Relations Committee hearings calendar on Oct. 14 and Oct. 21, but no opposing voices were allowed to present testimony. This is precisely the same procedure used with the Convention on Desertification.

Hey Tex .. what's your take on this and why the heck are they doing this .. are they insane?

45 posted on 03/09/2004 2:19:05 AM PST by Mo1 (Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?)
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To: bjcintennessee
Your welcome!
46 posted on 03/09/2004 11:15:54 AM PST by knighthawk (Live today, there is no time to lose, because when tomorrow comes it's all just yesterday's blues)
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