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Lee Harris: Repressing 9-11
Tech Central Station ^ | March 8, 2004 | Lee Harris

Posted on 03/08/2004 9:42:31 AM PST by quidnunc

Last week, President Bush was attacked by members of the Democratic Party for using images of 9/11 in a campaign ad, and by the next day there was the normal political and media uproar over this burning question: Should the President be scolded for daring to use such images, or should he be defended?

I do not wish to weigh in on this question because, like many burning questions being asked today, I think it is absurdly irrelevant, like the burning question whether President Bush should have worn a flight jacket while aboard a helicopter. Instead the question I want to ask is how our nation permits such "issues" to become burning questions in the first place. Do we have nothing more urgent to worry about?

The answer to this question should be an easy one. Yes, we do have many more urgent things to worry about; and by far the most urgent is what to do about 9/11.

Here I am not talking about what to do about future 9/11's — catastrophic terror that may or may not happen in our near or our distant future — I am referring back to the 9/11 that occurred on a beautiful morning over two and a half years ago. And our most urgent question today is: What should we as a nation do with our collective memory from that day?

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To insist that your enemy is not your enemy when he insists on being one is to rob him of his humanity, and to endanger your own existence — and all for the sake of preserving an unsustainable illusion. To recognize an enemy, and to treat him as one, is not to dehumanize him — on the contrary, it is to treat him as your equal. It is to take him seriously. It is to meet him on his own terms.

But that is just what liberal Democrats cannot bring themselves to do. They insist on pretending that 9/11 was just a kind of glitch, instead of seeing it as an act of devotion carried out by men who were motivated by the highest ethical purpose that they could comprehend.

This is the terrible truth revealed by 9/11. It was not an act of crazed loonies, unlikely to reoccur; it was the symbolic gesture of an entire culture — a culture that looked upon those who died in carrying out their mission as heroic martyrs who triumphed over a vastly more powerful enemy. That is why so much of the Arab world celebrated the great victory accordingly, by dancing in the streets and cheering the collapse of the Twin Towers — another set of images that liberals are forced to repress, since to acknowledge such behavior is to acknowledge the concept of the enemy that is embodied in such wild rejoicing at the annihilation of men and women whom you had never met.

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1 posted on 03/08/2004 9:42:32 AM PST by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc; 1Mike; 3catsanadog; ~Vor~; ~Kim4VRWC's~; A CA Guy; A Citizen Reporter; abner; Aeronaut; ..
This explain the difference between "us" and "them" -- not to mention "good" and "evil."
2 posted on 03/08/2004 9:45:59 AM PST by Howlin (Charter Member of the Incredible Interlocking Institutional Power!!!!)
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To: Howlin
This explain the difference between "us" and "them" -- not to mention "good" and "evil."

You got it. Thanks for the ping, I needed something to take my mind off my research.

3 posted on 03/08/2004 9:49:04 AM PST by SandyInSeattle (Has John Kerry never heard of the Container Security Initiative?)
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To: Howlin
What I get from the article is that we ought to be showing images of 9-11, including the arabs dancing in the streets. The threat is real. It should not be sugar-coated.
4 posted on 03/08/2004 9:49:49 AM PST by Aeronaut (Peace: in international affairs, a period of cheating between two periods of fighting.)
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To: Howlin
As you know, I attended the Town Hall meeting in Ontario two years ago. In that speech, the president used the word "evil" 10 times. Recognizing good vs. evil is truly a strength of this man. The left refuses to do that. There lies the problem with their leadership or lack thereof.
5 posted on 03/08/2004 9:51:42 AM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: Aeronaut; quidnunc; Howlin
Yes, we should NEVER FORGET.
6 posted on 03/08/2004 9:52:13 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: quidnunc
later
7 posted on 03/08/2004 9:53:26 AM PST by don-o
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To: doug from upland; Howlin
Teresa Kerry has been busy:

When Teresa Heinz-Kerry arrived, she handed me a pin that read in the center:
“Asses of Evil”
with “Bush”, “Cheney”, “Rumsfeld” and “Ashcroft” surrounding it.

8 posted on 03/08/2004 9:57:44 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
When Teresa Heinz-Kerry arrived, she handed me a pin that read in the center:...

If true...I simply scratch my head and ask myself how it's possible this
shrew was ever married to a Republican Senator.
9 posted on 03/08/2004 10:01:19 AM PST by VOA
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To: Aeronaut
Amen.It must be shown...and the hatred and glee must be faced,too.
10 posted on 03/08/2004 10:01:22 AM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
She should wear the badge. She is an ass of evil.
11 posted on 03/08/2004 10:02:19 AM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: Howlin
This is the terrible truth revealed by 9/11. It was not an act of crazed loonies, unlikely to reoccur; it was the symbolic gesture of an entire culture — a culture that looked upon those who died in carrying out their mission as heroic martyrs who triumphed over a vastly more powerful enemy.

A truth President Bush immediately grasped and understood and Kerry "the threat of terrorism has been exaggerated" does not and never will.

12 posted on 03/08/2004 10:02:44 AM PST by cyncooper ("Maybe they were hoping he'd lose the next Iraqi election")
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To: cyncooper
They mean to kill each and every last one of us.
13 posted on 03/08/2004 10:04:08 AM PST by Howlin (Charter Member of the Incredible Interlocking Institutional Power!!!!)
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To: VOA
Click the link, goes to their website!!!!!
14 posted on 03/08/2004 10:04:16 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Howlin
Remember Bush said "you're either with us, or against us"?

The Democrats are just not "with it".

15 posted on 03/08/2004 10:07:21 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is Communism one drink at a time. - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Love PJ. . .that would be a great bumper sticker; or just a note to share on someone's car who has the Kerry sticker. . .
16 posted on 03/08/2004 10:16:04 AM PST by cricket
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Just turned on Rush - Roger sitting in - but taking on Theresa big time. . .funding terrorism and the 'asses of evil' as well.

GREAT!!!

17 posted on 03/08/2004 10:18:41 AM PST by cricket
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To: VOA
He died in a plane crash two weeks after making fun of Kerry at a Democratic meeting. Then Kerry married the widder.
18 posted on 03/08/2004 10:19:20 AM PST by WaterDragon
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To: Howlin
Thanks for the ping
19 posted on 03/08/2004 10:19:26 AM PST by firewalk
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To: quidnunc
It's hard to discuss the many points in this excellent article, which also needs to be archived for posterity.

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Last week, President Bush was attacked by members of the Democratic Party for using images of 9/11 in a campaign ad, and by the next day there was the normal political and media uproar over this burning question: Should the President be scolded for daring to use such images, or should he be defended?

I do not wish to weigh in on this question because, like many burning questions being asked today, I think it is absurdly irrelevant, like the burning question whether President Bush should have worn a flight jacket while aboard a helicopter. Instead the question I want to ask is how our nation permits such "issues" to become burning questions in the first place. Do we have nothing more urgent to worry about?

The answer to this question should be an easy one. Yes, we do have many more urgent things to worry about; and by far the most urgent is what to do about 9/11.

 

Here I am not talking about what to do about future 9/11's -- catastrophic terror that may or may not happen in our near or our distant future -- I am referring back to the 9/11 that occurred on a beautiful morning over two and a half years ago. And our most urgent question today is: What should we as a nation do with our collective memory from that day?

 

Increasingly the answer that is being given to this question by liberal Democrats is simple, Repress it. Push it out of our mind. Pretend that it never happened; or if you absolutely must refer to 9/11, pretend it was something along the lines of an earthquake or a freakish tidal wave -- a natural disaster without the slightest political implications. A tragedy, of course, but something we should all put behind us and move on.

 

That is why the Democrats and the liberal media became apoplectic at the images of 9/11 that appeared in the Bush campaign ad. It was not Bush's use of the images that was so disturbing to them, but the images themselves. Democrats and liberals do not want to be reminded of 9/11; nor do they wish their country to be reminded of it either. Not because it is perceived as a campaign theme of the opposite party, but because 9/11, if rightly understood, requires a complete rethinking of their own warm and fuzzy vision of multilateral harmony in a conflict free world.

           

The memory of 9/11 must be repressed because otherwise liberals would have to come to terms with the concept of The Enemy. They would have to face the grim and disturbing truth that there are people out there who relish the thought of pointlessly killing thousands of our fellow citizens, simply because they are our fellow citizens -- not for a political objective, or to achieve a military goal, but just because they see us as their enemy.

 

A friend of mine recently said that he did not like the concept of the enemy and that, as far as he was concerned, all men were his brothers. But what if the man whom you wish to regard as your brother does not return your fraternal feelings of affection; what if he regards your offer as an insult to his honor? "You dare to call yourself my brother, you dog?" In which case, what do you do then? Do you respect his feelings, and accept him as your enemy? Or do you treat him as an inferior being and wave aside his protestations as if he were a four year old child -- "Now, now, Bobby, you don't really mean to say those bad things about mommy."

           

To insist that your enemy is not your enemy when he insists on being one is to rob him of his humanity, and to endanger your own existence -- and all for the sake of preserving an unsustainable illusion. To recognize an enemy, and to treat him as one, is not to dehumanize him -- on the contrary, it is to treat him as your equal. It is to take him seriously. It is to meet him on his own terms.

           

But that is just what liberal Democrats cannot bring themselves to do. They insist on pretending that 9/11 was just a kind of glitch, instead of seeing it as an act of devotion carried out by men who were motivated by the highest ethical purpose that they could comprehend.

           

This is the terrible truth revealed by 9/11. It was not an act of crazed loonies, unlikely to reoccur; it was the symbolic gesture of an entire culture -- a culture that looked upon those who died in carrying out their mission as heroic martyrs who triumphed over a vastly more powerful enemy. That is why so much of the Arab world celebrated the great victory accordingly, by dancing in the streets and cheering the collapse of the Twin Towers -- another set of images that liberals are forced to repress, since to acknowledge such behavior is to acknowledge the concept of the enemy that is embodied in such wild rejoicing at the annihilation of men and women whom you had never met.

 

It is almost as if we, as a nation, are entering into what psychologists call denial. Instead of making the necessary adjustments to reality in response to 9/11, we are engaged in a process of denying it, both by outright repression of all public memory of the event and by making it a subject of incomprehensibly stupid political controversy, dividing us as a people into warring factions over absolutely nothing -- and often it would seem for no better reason than to have something to bicker about on radio talk shows.

           

When I wrote my book, Civilization and Its Enemies, I said that we had not yet comprehended the significance of 9/11. Today we are not any closer to understanding it; and, indeed, as a nation we seem to be drifting farther and farther away from the true issues raised by it.

 

The Bush administration has announced that its campaign theme will be that we are in Iraq to keep other 9/11's from happening on our soil; but how could anyone who understood the first 9/11 possibly think such a thing? If the first 9/11 was brought to us by Arab nationals living in Hamburg, acting out a fantasy, how could the occupation of Iraq have prevented it then, and how could it prevent another such event in the future?

 

Here is a genuine issue for the Democrats to criticize. They could point to it and say, "This shows that the Bush administration does not really yet understand the nature of the beast that we are dealing with." And yet, instead of taking on this question, they insist on beating up the President for daring to remind the American people that 9/11 ever occurred.

 

The Bush campaign can be justly rebuked for trying to argue that anything we can do in Iraq will prevent another 9/11, because of all people they should know better. But what rebuke is appropriate for those who wish to pretend that 9/11 never happened at all?


20 posted on 03/08/2004 10:19:30 AM PST by Gritty ("Most men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power-Abe Lincoln)
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To: quidnunc
The difference between rational human beings and the insane left.
21 posted on 03/08/2004 10:29:50 AM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: quidnunc; .cnI redruM; yonif; SJackson; monkeyshine; dennisw; Alouette; AdamSelene235; ...

The memory of 9/11 must be repressed because otherwise liberals would have to come to terms with the concept of The Enemy. They would have to face the grim and disturbing truth that there are people out there who relish the thought of pointlessly killing thousands of our fellow citizens, simply because they are our fellow citizens -- not for a political objective, or to achieve a military goal, but just because they see us as their enemy.

...[liberal Democrats] insist on pretending that 9/11 was just a kind of glitch, instead of seeing it as an act of devotion carried out by men who were motivated by the highest ethical purpose that they could comprehend.          

This is the terrible truth revealed by 9/11. It was not an act of crazed loonies, unlikely to reoccur; it was the symbolic gesture of an entire culture -- a culture that looked upon those who died in carrying out their mission as heroic martyrs who triumphed over a vastly more powerful enemy. That is why so much of the Arab world celebrated the great victory accordingly, by dancing in the streets and cheering the collapse of the Twin Towers -- another set of images that liberals are forced to repress, since to acknowledge such behavior is to acknowledge the concept of the enemy that is embodied in such wild rejoicing at the annihilation of men and women whom you had never met.

It is almost as if we, as a nation, are entering into what psychologists call denial. Instead of making the necessary adjustments to reality in response to 9/11, we are engaged in a process of denying it, both by outright repression of all public memory of the event and by making it a subject of incomprehensibly stupid political controversy, dividing us as a people into warring factions over absolutely nothing -- and often it would seem for no better reason than to have something to bicker about on radio talk shows.

Lee Harris clear thoughts PING.  Please, let me know if you want or don't want to be pinged to Lee Harris articles.

His articles at the TechCentralStation are archived here: http://www2.techcentralstation.com/1051/searchauthor.jsp?Bioid=BIOHARRISLEE

If you want to bookmark his articles discussed at FR: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/k-leeharris/browse

22 posted on 03/08/2004 10:29:59 AM PST by Tolik
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Lee Harris classics. If you have time, read these articles:

essay Al Qaeda’s Fantasy Ideology By Lee Harris (FR post)   "Al Qaeda's Fantasy Ideology," (original)

The Clausewitz Curse (FR post)             The Clausewitz Curse (original)
Given our uncertainty, what alternative does this, or any, administration have? 

 Our World-Historical Gamble  (FR post)           Our World-Historical Gamble (original)
The collapse of the liberal order and the end of classical sovereignty.

His new book:   Civilization and Its Enemies : The Next Stage of History
 

23 posted on 03/08/2004 10:31:14 AM PST by Tolik
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To: quidnunc
A friend of mine recently said that he did not like the concept of the enemy and that, as far as he was concerned, all men were his brothers. But what if the man whom you wish to regard as your brother does not return your fraternal feelings of affection; what if he regards your offer as an insult to his honor? "You dare to call yourself my brother, you dog?" In which case, what do you do then? Do you respect his feelings, and accept him as your enemy? Or do you treat him as an inferior being and wave aside his protestations as if he were a four year old child -- "Now, now, Bobby, you don't really mean to say those bad things about mommy."

A perfect illustration of this mindset was given by rocker John Mellencamp immediately after 911 when he called Osama his "little brother who had done something wrong." Harris nails it when he call this kind of condescension "endangering to [our own] existence."

24 posted on 03/08/2004 10:54:19 AM PST by beckett
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To: quidnunc
Bump!
25 posted on 03/08/2004 11:15:10 AM PST by talleyman (Satan is the Father of Lies - Satan is a Democrat)
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To: WaterDragon
I've been reading about T. Heinz and son - it has made me very curious her 'other' husband. What was his full name and from what state was he a senator?

Thanks

26 posted on 03/08/2004 11:26:15 AM PST by malia (BUSH & CHENEY 2004 - We must not ignored the warnings again!)
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To: Gritty
Thank you for posting the FULL TEXT !

Folks need to CHECK THE LIST ...

Reference For Excerpting Articles -
Please Read And Bookmark


... before posting an article. Then if it's NOT ON THE MUST EXCERPT LIST,
the full text should be posted so folks on the thread can READ the full article.


27 posted on 03/08/2004 11:32:58 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (The Democrats say they believe in CHOICE. I have chosen to vote STRAIGHT TICKET GOP for years !!)
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To: malia
H. John Heinz, Sen. from PA
28 posted on 03/08/2004 11:49:39 AM PST by txrangerette
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To: malia
Actually, H. John Heinz III
29 posted on 03/08/2004 11:52:27 AM PST by txrangerette
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To: Howlin
"This explain the difference between "us" and "them" -- not to mention "good" and "evil."

It certainly does, and should be shouted to the rooftops. Thanks for the ping!

30 posted on 03/08/2004 12:23:14 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (President Bush is a mensch in cowboy boots.)
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To: quidnunc
Good post, thanks!
31 posted on 03/08/2004 12:56:56 PM PST by highlander_UW
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To: Howlin
Boy oh boy, does it ever!

Thanks for the ping. :-)

32 posted on 03/08/2004 2:13:39 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Gritty
What should we as a nation do with our collective memory from that day?

Give that man a big ceegar!

I just hope that Bush's campaign has the needed skill to fire the right guns at the right time. And give Kerry all the time necessary to implode. I am surprised that they are spending money this early.

Tapping into the collective memory of that day, and contrasting to JFnK's sorry record is a slam dunk; but it needs a subtle hand to make it work for the sheeple.

33 posted on 03/08/2004 4:23:48 PM PST by don-o
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To: don-o
Kerry Supporters Rally in HoChi Minh City

Americans residing in Vietnam held the first event for the 2004 U.S. Presidential Election in Ho Chi Minh City by meeting for breakfast at the New World Saigon on November 21, 2003.

A group of American citizens---business people, charity workers and others-- gathered to show their support for John Kerry overseas. They were all thrilled to receive a call from Senator Kerry who spoke for 20 minutes explaining his policies and positions. He then answered questions including those from the Press who attended the function.

This is just the beginning of an effort to generate support for John Kerry for President among Americans working in SE Asia. Kerry struck a solid chord when he said America should be leading by example and not force and should have a multilateral and not unilateral foreign policy. He said the time has come to enact an economic policy that is fair to all classes, not just the rich. And we should have an Administration that understands and cares about the environment.

The breakfast coincided with the arrival of a US Navy ship to the Saigon Port, a symbolic event that signaled the full normalization of the US and Vietnam governments' relations that includes diplomatic, economic and now, military, ties.

Senator Kerry was instrumental in the normalization of Vietnam relations with the US and has many supporters here in the American community as someone who knows how to solve complicated international situations, similar in many ways to the situation in Iraq. This group emphasized how this experience of Senator Kerry will serve him well as President.

Diana Kerry Welcomes
Americans Overseas for Kerry

I’m very happy to be a founding member of Americans Overseas for Kerry, and the first to post an AOK blog. As John’s sister and recently returned expatriate, I take special pride in the depth of his understanding and leadership in global affairs, and I have no doubt that he is the most qualified in foreign policy of any of the candidates -- in either party!

Nothing is more important to me than international understanding. I’ve spent most of my life as an expatriate, living and working in countries all over the globe, and the outcome of this election matters hugely to me -- and not just because John is running.


http://blog.johnkerry.com/blog/archives/categories/americans_overseas_for_kerry/index.html
34 posted on 03/08/2004 5:03:43 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Howlin
I finally got to see the ads this weekend. I was very impressed by their quality and their tone. The ads were straightforward, positive, and uplifting.

Qualities that must have been like nails on the blackboard to the DemoRats.

35 posted on 03/08/2004 5:23:06 PM PST by Ophiucus
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To: malia
Teresa....Born in Mozambique, fluent in five languages, she has combined compassion and common sense to become a force for innovation and social progress as leader of one of the nation's largest private foundations. After studying in South Africa and Switzerland, she moved to the United States to work for the United Nations. In 1966, she married Senator John Heinz, with whom she had three sons. Shortly after celebrating their 25th wedding anniversary in 1991, she lost her husband in a plane crash.

John Heinz was a Senator from Pennsylvania.

36 posted on 03/08/2004 7:35:26 PM PST by WaterDragon
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To: WaterDragon; txrangerette
Earlier today, after receiving an answer from txrangerette, I did some google searching.

Did not find the words said by Sen. Heinz about Sen. Kerry, but still looking. Did read Mrs. Heinz will not use her money for Kerry, UNLESS the fight gets personal, then her money gets into play.

So I figure as the battle goes on and the Kerry medical and military records become an issue, as they should and by the media, out will come the Heinz money.

So, we may have been set up!

Still looking. BTW Mrs Heinz does not like Rick Santorim. (sp- sorry Rick)

37 posted on 03/08/2004 9:03:46 PM PST by malia (BUSH & CHENEY 2004 - We must not ignored the warnings again!)
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To: quidnunc
Bump to the top.
38 posted on 03/08/2004 9:13:14 PM PST by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: malia
Did not find the words said by Sen. Heinz about Sen. Kerry,

An article about that was in this forum recently, I think. You could do a search on Senator Heinz and maybe find it.

As I recall, Senator Heinz, at a Democratic meeting, read aloud, without comment, two letters Kerry had sent to a constituent on a particular issue, each letter supporting opposite positions on the issue. Heinz was mocking Kerry.

39 posted on 03/08/2004 9:28:56 PM PST by WaterDragon
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To: Tolik
Bump and thanks!
40 posted on 03/09/2004 12:55:07 AM PST by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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