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New round in Gun Issue
Newsday .com ^ | 3/4/04 | Paul Vitello

Posted on 03/08/2004 11:22:32 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants

Edited on 03/09/2004 6:26:26 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

Pick up the Yellow Pages and go to "Guns." Call the first gun store you find. Ask what you'll need to purchase a semi-automatic military-style sniper rifle like the one used by John Allen Muhammad and John Lee Malvo to kill 10 people during their 2002 Washington, D.C.-area murder spree.

"You have a driver's license?" said the man at the Long Island store I called yesterday to ask about buying the assault rifle known as the Bushmaster XM-15.

"Sure," I said, "but what else do I need to bring?"

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There is so much wrong with this article that I don't know where to begin. Our military's standard issue is the AK-47? And it is "highly accurate" from a half-mile? And that Malvo an Mohammed were shooting from 500 yards?

And even worse is that the editor and "fact checker" were even more ignorant than the writer!

1 posted on 03/08/2004 11:22:32 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; Squantos
You guys just have to see the kind of pap the left is feeding the public.
2 posted on 03/08/2004 11:23:26 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Barf bump.
3 posted on 03/08/2004 11:25:26 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Lazamataz; B4Ranch; Eaker
1700 yard ping.
4 posted on 03/08/2004 11:27:54 AM PST by glock rocks (molon labe)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Ask what you'll need to purchase a semi-automatic military-style sniper rifle like the one used by John Allen Muhammad and John Lee Malvo to kill 10 people during their 2002 Washington, D.C.-area murder spree.

I wanna call up my local car dealership & ask what I need to bring in order to purchase a nice big car, you know just like the one that old man in Californina used to run down & kill 10 people in that open air market?

5 posted on 03/08/2004 11:27:58 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
So so wrong.

The AR-15 Bushmaster could never be mistaken for an AK-47. It's like saying the F-16 is a knockoff of the Japanese Zero.

And if you can kill someone from 900 yards with an AK then you must be firing straight down on them from a 900 yard high cliff.
6 posted on 03/08/2004 11:28:11 AM PST by Bogey78O (The Democrats promised jobs but all they gave you was gay marriage- AppyPappy)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
This article is so bad it must be a joke!
7 posted on 03/08/2004 11:29:45 AM PST by jsraggmann
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To: jsraggmann
I wish it was. But THIS is what passes for factual reporting on the left!
8 posted on 03/08/2004 11:30:48 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"Our military's standard issue is the AK-47?"

The author probably means that his army is equipped with AK-47's.

9 posted on 03/08/2004 11:31:11 AM PST by Jaxter ("Vivit Post Funera Virtus")
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To: Blood of Tyrants
o brother what bunch of baloney
10 posted on 03/08/2004 11:32:36 AM PST by ezoeni
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"Nothing else," said the man. "Just money."

I see you are not familar with the Bill of Rights. In fact, I have a hunch you are not even familar with what a right is.

11 posted on 03/08/2004 11:32:45 AM PST by MosesKnows
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Like hearing a 3 year old give a lecture on superstring theory.

Though less funny, cause these people are dangerous about our rights.
12 posted on 03/08/2004 11:32:48 AM PST by Monty22
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Our military's standard issue is the AK-47?

Don't forget, this is a "journalist"; our armed forces are not the same as his. His "our" is the PRC or NK army.

13 posted on 03/08/2004 11:33:17 AM PST by JimRed (Fight election fraud! Volunteer as a local poll watcher, challenger or district official.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants; All
Hundreds of court cases have set the precedent that the police do not have a responsibility to protect an individual. But society as a whole. This was established to remove the burden of law suits based on the failures of police officers to protect the citizenry. If the Government does not take responsibility for protecting its citizens on an individual level. Then it is criminal to deny the rights of individuals to protect themselves.

Furthermore, liberals don't want the American people armed when their communist coup d'état is achieved.
14 posted on 03/08/2004 11:33:33 AM PST by freebacon
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Typical unfounded scare tactics. FWIW, I went to a gun show a few weeks ago and bought a rifle. The guy turned out to be a licensed dealer. I filled out the usual federal forms and noted that the social security number is now optional. The guy took the form and my driver's license and went off to a phone. In about five minutes he was back with the approval.

The antis would have you believe that gun shows are weapons bazaars for terrorists. Not true. Not to mention it's common knowledge, at least for those who know the truth, they're cruised by the ATF.

15 posted on 03/08/2004 11:33:43 AM PST by meatloaf
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To: Blood of Tyrants
This was published? Bushmaster = AK-47? Bushmaster deadly at almost 900 yards? I used to shoot 40 of 40 in the Army and I don't think I could do that with an M-16.

Come to think of it, Malvo was an idiot for having that be his weapon of choice for a sniper rifle. He could have done much better with a cheap 30.06.
16 posted on 03/08/2004 11:35:38 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"You have a driver's license?" said the man at the Long Island store I called yesterday to ask about buying the assault rifle known as the Bushmaster XM-15.

"Sure," I said, "but what else do I need to bring?"

I was thinking paperwork - perhaps to verify my clean criminal record, my relative sanity, the lack of any documented connections between myself and al-Qaida.

Uh, dude, the Brady background check covers that part - you know, the process that you anti-gunners demanded a few years back. Now you pretend it doesn't even exist. But, then again, what else can you expect from a nitwit who believes that the AK-47 is the military's standard rifle?

17 posted on 03/08/2004 11:36:01 AM PST by dirtboy (Howard, we hardly knew ye. Not that we're complaining, mind you...)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Wow...this might be the dumbest article I've ever read.
18 posted on 03/08/2004 11:37:28 AM PST by GETMAIN
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To: Blood of Tyrants; *bang_list

Boy o boy, Joseph Goebbels has nothing on this guy.

19 posted on 03/08/2004 11:37:34 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The Bushmaster, a version of the military's standard AK-47 rifle, was the kind of gun they had in mind: highly accurate, extremely deadly from almost a half-mile away.

There's half a mile between this guys brain and his head. And the network connection is extremely lousy.

20 posted on 03/08/2004 11:38:06 AM PST by DonaldDuke
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To: Jaxter
Aks are great fun to shoot and do very well at what they were designed for: to kill people out to 200 yds. The ammo is cheap and the rifles are very reliable. But 500yds? I find it hard to believe that even the lefties are stoopid enough to believe this crap!
21 posted on 03/08/2004 11:40:43 AM PST by jsraggmann
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To: meatloaf
Same here. I bought an AR-15, and a semi-auto pistol at a gunshow in Mobile Alabama (I don't even live there). The backround check took about 30 minutes. What loophole?

If the bad guys are talking about private person to private person sales, then they don't need to mention gunshows. Private sales go on all the time, at places other than gun shows.
22 posted on 03/08/2004 11:41:08 AM PST by ampat (to)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1093150/posts?page=8#8

Agree....been discussin just that this AM..........Stay safe !
23 posted on 03/08/2004 11:42:29 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Pick up the Yellow Pages and go to "Guns." Call the first gun store you find. Ask what you'll need to purchase a semi-automatic military-style sniper rifle like the one used by John Allen Muhammad and John Lee Malvo to kill 10 people during their 2002 Washington, D.C.-area murder spree.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Pick up the Yellow Pages and go to "Hareware." Call the first Hardware store you find. Ask what you'll need to purchase a Axelike the one used by xxxx and xxxxxx to kill 4 people during their rain of terror spree.
24 posted on 03/08/2004 11:44:14 AM PST by CHICAGOFARMER (Citizen Carry)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
OMG......... Thanks for the laugh, this guy wouldn't know an AK-47 from a can WD-40!!
25 posted on 03/08/2004 11:46:53 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: GETMAIN
Darned close anyway; I've read dumber stuff on firearms, from the media idiots.
26 posted on 03/08/2004 11:50:09 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (Dogs have masters; Cats have staff...)
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To: Squantos
The lunatic left are getting desperate and some of the brain dead will believe the lies spouted by this rag!

The Second Amendment...
America's Original Homeland Security!

We are winning ~ the bad guys are losing ~ trolls, terrorists, democrats and the mainstream media are sad ~ very sad!

~~ Bush/Cheney 2004 ~~

27 posted on 03/08/2004 11:51:29 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: ampat
To be fair........(and we aren't like them now are we ?:o).....if ya buy from a "dealer" at a show the background is mandated. If ya buy from a Mom and Pop table selling what they don't need from their personal collection ya have no background check. At least that was the way it worked at the show I attended last month here in Texas. Local ordinance for ordnance may drive different rules but that was my last experience regarding the matter.

I have no problem with either method but I do prefer the constitutional version. The yellow sheet just ensures I won't have to hunt "them" when they turn to sedition and try to collect my constitutional freedoms. Consider it a crippled rabbit call for traitors.

Stay safe !

28 posted on 03/08/2004 11:51:51 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: ampat
The only 'loophole' I've seen is that with my Texas CHL card, they don't bother to do any background check. Technically I could still have the card after being out on bail for murder.

Not that I care, but still.. :)
29 posted on 03/08/2004 11:53:18 AM PST by Monty22
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To: blackie
Agree..........RATS 'N RINOS do not get my vote !

Stay Safe Blackie.....Hope all is well !

30 posted on 03/08/2004 11:53:45 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Aside from the obvious errata in this diatribe, this is just another example of some fusspot journalist who will write anything to justify his own personal agenda.

Sadly, most people are so misinformed or choose to remain ignorant that this kind of crap is believed by a large percentage of the public. Perhaps we need to start lobbying for a 'Truth in Journalism' law...
31 posted on 03/08/2004 11:54:00 AM PST by craig61a
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Letter to the editor has been sent. Respectfully questioning the editor and fact checker on the items mentioned. No mention of FR was made.
32 posted on 03/08/2004 11:59:07 AM PST by Khurkris (Ranger On...)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
What's really fascinating is that he starts out with an illustration intended to point out how weak the so-called "Assault Weapons Ban" is, and then goes on to say that it needs to be renewed. If it's so useless, what's the point in renewing it?
33 posted on 03/08/2004 12:02:08 PM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: freebacon
If the Government does not take responsibility for protecting its citizens on an individual level, then it is criminal to deny the rights of individuals to protect themselves.

I believe that needs to be repeated and digested.

34 posted on 03/08/2004 12:04:54 PM PST by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: Squantos
Everything is perfect ~ locked and loaded!

Be Ever Vigilant!
35 posted on 03/08/2004 12:10:56 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: antiRepublicrat
The Savage Model 10(?) is supposed to shoot 1 MOA out of the box and can be made to shoot even better with very little work.
36 posted on 03/08/2004 12:12:19 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: jsraggmann
I find it hard to believe that even the lefties are stoopid enough to believe this crap!

You don't really find it that hard to believe it, do you? Absolute, unquestioning loyalty to the ENTIRE party line is not optional.

37 posted on 03/08/2004 12:14:28 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Oberon
"If it's so useless, what's the point in renewing it?"

That's the most mystifying question in the world. If it sucks so bad, why the cries and crap about it going away if it's worthless?

Just shows they just want more 'ground', doesn't matter.
38 posted on 03/08/2004 12:16:11 PM PST by Monty22
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"You have a driver's license?" said the man at the Long Island store I called yesterday to ask about buying the assault rifle known as the Bushmaster XM-15.

"Sure," I said, "but what else do I need to bring?"

I was thinking paperwork - perhaps to verify my clean criminal record, my relative sanity, the lack of any documented connections between myself and al-Qaida.

Did a search on Vitello's columns on Newsday. Turns out he wrote a column in 1994 that mentioned the Brady Bill. He friggin' knows about the background check - but he pretends here that it doesn't exist. So he's not just misinformed, he's a liar - and Newsday should sanction him for this lie, just as the Times went after Jayson Blair.

39 posted on 03/08/2004 12:21:08 PM PST by dirtboy (Howard, we hardly knew ye. Not that we're complaining, mind you...)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I'm just an ole swamp rat from So Fla. My friends and relatives hunt, fish, dive and go airboatin'. Maybe I'm just naive, but I really don't know anyone that would read this article and believe even one word of it. Guess I need to broaden my horizons!
40 posted on 03/08/2004 12:23:29 PM PST by jsraggmann
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To: dirtboy
Good find dirtboy.

How do we inform the editors that their writers are lying and that the editors/publications credibility is at stake?
41 posted on 03/08/2004 12:25:45 PM PST by ibbryn (this tag intentionally left blank)
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To: ibbryn
I sent the editors an email - polite and to the point. If we send enough emails, maybe they'll get the message.
42 posted on 03/08/2004 12:34:53 PM PST by dirtboy (Howard, we hardly knew ye. Not that we're complaining, mind you...)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
BWAHAHAHAH Another Urinal'ist strikes....straight from the 'Joe Goebels' School of 'Extremely Yellow'Urinalism

Tell a lie often enough and nearly everyone will believe it.....tell a WHOPPER and the rubes will believe even quicker...
43 posted on 03/08/2004 12:36:18 PM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Oberon
If it's so useless, what's the point in renewing it?

The point is that the left believe that they convince people to outlaw ANY gun, they can outlaw them all eventually.

44 posted on 03/08/2004 12:36:45 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: jsraggmann
Unless your relatives and friend are fans of evil black rifles, aka semiautomatic assault weapons, I would bet that if you showed your EBR/AW to them at least one of them would say, "What do you NEED one of them for? You can't hunt with them."

Am I right?
45 posted on 03/08/2004 12:39:30 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
What an unmitigated crock! Don't the editors of these liberal rags even proof-read this nonsense? An AR-15 is based on the AK-47?????????? Malvo and Mohammed were shooting their victims at 500 Yards????? They were shooting their victims from about 40 - 60 yards at most, and most of the time they were in the same parking lot as their victims! It is appalling that a so-called journalist can get such basic facts so wrong!
46 posted on 03/08/2004 12:42:49 PM PST by ought-six
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To: joesnuffy
"The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed, for the vast masses of the nation are in the depths of their hearts more easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad. The primitive simplicity of their minds renders them a more easy prey to a big lie than a small one, for they themselves often tell little lies but would be ashamed to tell a big one."
-- Adolf Hitler - "Mein Kampf" - (1926)


47 posted on 03/08/2004 12:43:46 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: ought-six
All the distortions are 100% willfull, don't doubt it for a second. The writer had an agenda, the editor agrees with that agenda, and the article basically writes itself.
48 posted on 03/08/2004 12:44:51 PM PST by Monty22
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To: Joe Brower
If General Kalashnikov were dead, he would be rolling over in his grave. Shame on them.
49 posted on 03/08/2004 12:50:44 PM PST by Peter J. Huss
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The Left is comprised of some of the most delusional people on the planet. Radical Islam is populated with the most delusional.
50 posted on 03/08/2004 12:52:15 PM PST by ought-six
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