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Cholesterol Targets Should Be Set Far Lower, Study Finds
NY Times ^ | March 8, 2004 | GINA KOLATA

Posted on 03/08/2004 4:52:34 PM PST by neverdem

Lowering cholesterol far below the level that most doctors now consider adequate can substantially reduce patients' risk of having or dying from a heart attack, researchers reported today.

The findings, cardiologists say, will greatly change how doctors treat patients with heart disease and will provide the impetus to re-evaluate how low cholesterol levels should be.

The study compared high doses of one of the most powerful cholesterol-lowering drugs, Pfizer's Lipitor, to a less potent drug, Pravachol, made by Bristol-Myers Squibb, which conducted the trial.

The patients taking Lipitor were significantly less likely to have heart attacks or to require bypass surgery or angioplasty, the study found. Both drugs are statins, a class of medications that block a cholesterol-synthesizing enzyme and are often prescribed for patients with heart problems.

"This is really a big deal," Dr. David Waters, a professor of medicine at the University of California in San Francisco, said of the findings. "We have in our hands the power to reduce the risk of heart disease by a lot. It's very exciting."

National guidelines call for levels of L.D.L. cholesterol, which carries cholesterol to arteries, to be below 100 milligrams per deciliter in high-risk patients.

But the two-year study, involving 4,162 patients hospitalized for a sudden attack of chest pain from heart disease, asked whether reducing cholesterol levels far below 100 milligrams was beneficial. The study will be published in the April 8 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine, but the Journal lifted its embargo because the results were presented at the American College of Cardiology meetings in New Orleans.

In the study, patients were randomly assigned to take 80 milligrams a day of Lipitor, the highest available dose, or 40 milligrams of Pravachol, the highest dose when the study began. The patients' cholesterol fell within the levels specified by the national guidelines. But on Lipitor, the patients had a median L.D.L. level of 62, as compared with 95 for those who took Pravachol. (Although Pravachol is now available in an 80-milligram dose, experts say doubling the dose does not make much difference because it only reduces L.D.L. levels by an additional 6 percent.)

Within a month, the Lipitor patients started doing better than those taking Pravachol.

Dr. Eric J. Topol, a cardiologist at the Cleveland Clinic Foundation, called the findings a sea change, a term he said he had used only once before in his 20-year career.

"It's a big shake-up," Dr. Topol said. "It's a whole different viewpoint on what statins can do."

Even though the Pravachol patients would, until now, have been considered adequately treated, their rate of heart attacks, bypass surgery and angioplasty, symptoms like chest pain, and events like strokes and death was 26.3 percent, as compared with only 22.4 percent with Lipitor, a difference of 16 percent.

The death rate for Lipitor patients was 28 percent lower than for those taking Pravachol, and the death rate from cardiovascular disease was 30 percent lower among the Lipitor patients.

Researchers said that they were particularly surprised because the Bristol-Myers Squibb, which sponsored the study, had expected it would show that Pravachol was just as effective as Lipitor. The researchers, at Harvard Medical School, specified in their contract with Bristol-Myers Squibb that they would publish the results no matter how they came out.

Heart disease experts complained that the study would not show any difference because it had only half the number of patients that would be needed and followed them for only half the time. "A lot of people believed that lower is better," observed Dr. Daniel Rader, director of Preventive Cardiology and Lipid Clinic at the University of Pennsylvania. "But no one thought that this would be the study to prove it."

Dr. Steven Nissen, a cardiologist at the Cleveland Clinic, said that drug companies "never ever sponsor a trial like this that they think has a chance of going the wrong way." But, he added, "this trial backfired because in fact the differences between these two drugs are very profound."

The study was called Prove It, for Pravastatin or Atorvastatin Evaluation and Infection Therapy. But Dr. Topol said many heart disease researchers had joked that the study should be called "Prove What?"

At Bristol-Myers Squibb, the senior vice president of strategic and medical and external affairs, Dr. Andrew G. Bodnar, said, "I think we were all surprised." But, he added, "it's really really important information."

He emphasized that the findings applied only to patients like those in the study, who were hospitalized because a plaque in their coronary arteries ruptured. When that happens, blood clots form and block blood flow to the heart. The result is sudden crushing chest pains.

Pfizer's vice president for cardiovascular products in the United States, Dr. Gary Palmer, said the results "are fantastic news" for patients like those in the study "and a reminder of how good a drug Lipitor is."

Dr. Bodnar added that it was hard to imagine that just lowering L.D.L. levels could start making a difference within a month.

"It strikes me as inescapable given these results that there are other things at work as well," he said.

One possibility, he and others suggested, is that more intensive therapy has a greater effect in suppressing inflammation. When plaques are inflamed, they are more likely to burst open.

The study does not mean that doctors should abandon Pravachol, Dr. Bodnar said. While statins are considered very safe, and no patients in the study suffered serious or permanent harm, the Lipitor patients had more side effects. Liver enzymes were elevated in 3.3 percent of them, as compared with 1.1 percent of Pravachol patients. When that happens, patients may have to reduce the dose of the drug or stop taking it. More Lipitor patients (3.3 percent) than Pravachol patients (2.7 percent) stopped taking their medication because of muscle aches or enzyme elevations.

Other cardiologists said the study's results applied to everyone at high risk, and some experts said they might apply to everyone whose cholesterol levels are elevated.

The study's lead author, Dr. Christopher P. Cannon of Harvard Medical School, said heart patients should leave the hospital with a high dose of a statin, something that rarely happens now. He added that the millions of Americans who have high L.D.L. levels but ignored them should do so no longer.

"Everyone needs to shift up one level in their intensity of cholesterol treatment," he said. "Currently people will try a diet and say `O.K., o.k., I've been cheating a little,' and their doctor will say, `Come back in six months,' " Dr. Cannon said. "Hopefully, this will be a wake-up call."

Dr. Eugene Braunwald, chairman of the Harvard Medical School group that conducted the study, said that people with L.D.L. levels over 100, whether or not they have symptoms of heart disease, are "accidents waiting to happen," and should get their levels down.

The study closely follows one by Pfizer reported at the American Heart Association's meeting in November and published last week in the Journal of the American Medical Association. That study, too, compared 40 milligrams of Pravachol with 80 milligrams of Lipitor in heart patients, looking at the rate that plaque grew in coronary arteries. Lipitor, the study found, halted plaque growth; Pravachol slowed but did not stop it.

But Bristol-Myers Squibb and some cardiologists cautioned that the Pfizer study, directed by Dr. Nissen, fell short of proof. The growth of plaque, they said, was not necessarily the same as a reduction in heart attacks and deaths. Without knowing what their own study would show, Bristol-Myers Squibb sent its sales force out to tell doctors to wait for its more definitive study before abandoning Pravachol.

Now, said Dr. Christie M. Ballantyne, a professor of medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, it looks like the study's name is surprisingly apt.

"They did prove it," he said. "But I don't think they proved what they thought they would prove. It is remarkable."


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KEYWORDS: atherosclosis; atorvastatin; bristolmyerssquibb; cad; eugenebraunwald; health; ldlcholesterol; lipitor; pfizer; plaque; pravachol; proveit
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Congratulations to any owners of Pfizer stock. I believe there's a typo in the letter i in their acronym PROVE IT. The article said it stood for infection. I'm pretty sure they will correct it to inflammation. Besides lowering cholesterol, especially the LDL fraction, statins are also thought to have an anti-inflammatory effect. Dr. Eugene Braunwald is the lead author of the premier cardiology textbook in this country. The god of cardiology has given his imprimatur. Anyone taking a drug that end in the letters "statin" should consider giving their physician a call. Don't make any changes on your own unless you are a doc comfortable using these meds. The 16% difference is the relative difference between 26.3% and 22.4%, not the absolute.
1 posted on 03/08/2004 4:52:35 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
especially the LDL fraction, statins are also thought to have an anti-inflammatory effect.

Makes sense. I keep reading about a test for C-reactive protein which indicates the level of inflammation in the arteries. It is supposed to be a better indication of heart attack risk than cholesterol levels.

2 posted on 03/08/2004 4:58:58 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: nutmeg
read later bump
3 posted on 03/08/2004 4:59:20 PM PST by nutmeg (Why vote for Bush? Imagine Commander in Chief John F’in Kerry)
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To: wardaddy
This one's for you. Hope you're doing well.
4 posted on 03/08/2004 5:00:47 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: fourdeuce82d; Travis McGee; El Gato; JudyB1938; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; ...
This is the main reason I still endure with the "paper of record".
5 posted on 03/08/2004 5:03:27 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
I've taken Zocor, Pravachol, and now Lipitor.

While I only take 40 Mg., my cholesterol is 160, lower than it ever was on the other two.

6 posted on 03/08/2004 5:04:13 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: neverdem
I own Pfizer stock but I can't use lipitor. Severe heart palpatations put me in the lescol camp.
7 posted on 03/08/2004 5:04:48 PM PST by jwalsh07 (Just another freeping ultrakonservativen)
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To: neverdem
Pravachol user here (6 years).

Can you elaborate on the 16% "relative difference".

Is Lipitor about the same price?

100/month more or less Prav. Lowered mine by about 40 % across the boards to below average but I still almost bought the farm (not the drug's fault btw)

I would like to see more data on iflammation and homocystine levels as well....likewise latent strep infections are also suspected....all things which create the right conditions for calcification.

It should be mentioned though that the majority of folks who die from SCD have what is considered normal lipid readings.

Big enough clot or some bolt of lightning fatal arrythmia and it's just badass luck.

Thanks, I will be mentioning this to my C-ologist in 3 weeks. I thankfully tolerate statins well.
8 posted on 03/08/2004 5:06:52 PM PST by wardaddy (A man better believe in something or he'll fall for anything.)
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To: jwalsh07
I'm taking a new statin as part of a research project. It's about to go on the market. If you want the name, I can get it for you. I've done well with it.
9 posted on 03/08/2004 5:07:01 PM PST by breakem
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To: breakem
Thanks, I'd be interested but my numbers are good. LDL has been below 100 for some years now. My problem was always low HDL, a gene thing. I'm a heavy exerciser and just breaking 40 on the HDL hit parade is a major accomplishment.

Some years ago when I got my first heart intervention my total C was only about 200 but my HDL was like 22. Such is life. :-}

10 posted on 03/08/2004 5:10:45 PM PST by jwalsh07 (Just another freeping ultrakonservativen)
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To: jwalsh07
best wishes, who would I have to argue with. (5 bypasses dec 2002).
11 posted on 03/08/2004 5:12:16 PM PST by breakem
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
I keep reading about a test for C-reactive protein which indicates the level of inflammation in the arteries.

The trouble with C-reactive protein is that it is a non-specific test and can be elevated in any inflammatory condition, IIRC.

12 posted on 03/08/2004 5:15:45 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: breakem
And may God bless you breakem.

No bypasses here yet thoguh I was almost one of the first to have the mimimally invasive bypass. My cardiologist, a good guy who eats steak every night and has perfect C numbers, told me he thought he could fix me up non invasively. I believed him. Been seven years and 5 grandkids since my in stent rotoblation and yesterday I carried my clubs on a course that would test an old mountain goats cardio vascular system.

Come to think of it, it did. LOL

13 posted on 03/08/2004 5:18:38 PM PST by jwalsh07 (We're bringing it on John but you can't handle the truth!)
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To: neverdem
100 is the target level for LDL? I think I'm a dead man.
14 posted on 03/08/2004 5:19:56 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: jwalsh07
thanx
15 posted on 03/08/2004 5:24:39 PM PST by breakem
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To: redhead
What do you think Redhead?

I think this is bunk.

They're setting it up so no one can meet the cholesterol standards unless they're on statins.
16 posted on 03/08/2004 5:27:51 PM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: sinkspur
I've taken Zocor, Pravachol, and now Lipitor.

Have you had any problems with any of them? I just had a terrible reaction to a blood pressure medication that sent me to the hospital. I'm scared to death to take one of these new cholesterol drugs.

The thing that gets me is that being diabetic, the treatment of choice is to treat you as if you'd had 1 heart attack already. I don't have high blood pressure, but the endos here feel that most diabetics should be on blood pressure and cholesteral meds. In addition, blood pressure meds are used to ease stress on the kidneys, which is a particular problem for black diabetics. I'm due to visit my doc re starting on a cholesteral drug.

On one hand, I'd just like to forget all about these meds. On the other, I haven't gotten over Nell Carter (a diabetic) dropping dead. It just really freaked me out and I'm hesitant not to try the new procedures. I just don't want to wind up being one of those people tied to doctors and pharmacies the rest of their lives.

17 posted on 03/08/2004 5:29:16 PM PST by radiohead (Over toning the opponent since 2003)
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To: BartMan1; Nailbiter
ping
18 posted on 03/08/2004 5:31:31 PM PST by IncPen
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To: radiohead
Pravachol made my joints ache, which is a known side effect. I thought I was getting ALS or something until I called the nurse, and she laughed and said "Oh, we've got to put you back on Zocor."

I'm at my ideal weight, but have had high cholesterol for 20 years. Thank God for this medication.

Lipitor is without side effect, for me. The only downside to statins is for heavy drinkers: they're hard on the liver, over time.

But, then, you ought not to be a "heavy drinker" in the first place, right?

19 posted on 03/08/2004 5:37:41 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: Dog Gone
A walking dead man, huh? Just asked your Dr. the next time what he thinks.....

Just remember ......

if it taste good, spit it out.....
20 posted on 03/08/2004 5:38:45 PM PST by deport (For Sale: Iraqi rifle, never fired, dropped once)
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To: neverdem
So this studied serum cholesterol levels, and not dietary levels. ...There being only a general correlation, not a specific one, this study is likely to be grossly misconstrued.
21 posted on 03/08/2004 5:39:11 PM PST by lepton
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To: deport
My doctor just put me on a new cholesterol drug, Crestor. I have no experience with any of these drugs, but it dropped my cholestorol count nearly 70 points in one month. I'm due for another checkup this week.

I figure at this rate I can double my bacon intake and still make progress. Other than the fact that it costs a fortune, which I'm willing to pay, I think I'm analyzing this right.

22 posted on 03/08/2004 5:48:46 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: sinkspur
The only downside to statins is for heavy drinkers: they're hard on the liver, over time.

I'm not sure it's just heavy drinkers. My father rarely drinks currently (and for the last 6-8 years)and he had trouble with the lipitor after a couple of years. He used to be what I'd call a regular drinker (a couple of beers after work or weekends) for a number of years.

Be aware of past damage, and make sure to get the tests run.

23 posted on 03/08/2004 5:49:25 PM PST by Dianna
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To: sinkspur; Dog Gone
There was a thread yesterday about using cinnamon for help with diabetes. One of the side benefits is that it seems to help reduce cholesterol also.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1066176/posts?
24 posted on 03/08/2004 5:50:11 PM PST by deport (For Sale: Iraqi rifle, never fired, dropped once)
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To: Dog Gone
Your diet can impact cholesterol levels, so managing what you eat can be a help also....
25 posted on 03/08/2004 5:54:12 PM PST by deport (For Sale: Iraqi rifle, never fired, dropped once)
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To: deport
I'd have to choke it down, as I can't STAND cinnamon, unless it's in a big ole fat steamin' cinnamon roll (and I haven't had one of those in years).
26 posted on 03/08/2004 5:57:58 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: neverdem
Okay. I did read it was also a good indicator of colon and a couple of other type cancers. Maybe not a definitive test but a more general tool.
27 posted on 03/08/2004 5:59:47 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: sinkspur
But, then, you ought not to be a "heavy drinker" in the first place, right?

Nope. I can go for years w/o a drink, though lately I have acquired a taste for an evening sherry. Maybe it's old age getting to me.

28 posted on 03/08/2004 6:01:35 PM PST by radiohead (Over toning the opponent since 2003)
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To: sinkspur
"I've taken Zocor, Pravachol, and now Lipitor."

I couldn't take any of those due to insomnia. I'm taking 20mg of Lovastatin a day and my chlosterol level has gone from 258 to 168 in less than three months. (...and, no sleep problems)

29 posted on 03/08/2004 6:02:16 PM PST by blam
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To: sinkspur
It's an irritant to some peoples digestive track also. They do have capsules you can take. I think that is how the studies were done by using varying levels of capsule intake.
30 posted on 03/08/2004 6:03:34 PM PST by deport (For Sale: Iraqi rifle, never fired, dropped once)
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To: radiohead
Have you asked your doctor about red rice yeast? I don't know if it's okay for diabetics or not. It's a natural supplement which is gaining popularity in conventional medicine. I know several doctors who told their patients to take it instead of conventional meds. The medical research on it looks promising with few side effects.
31 posted on 03/08/2004 6:04:42 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: deport
Your diet can impact cholesterol levels, so managing what you eat can be a help also....

I'm up to one healthy helping of green vegetable per month, so don't suggest I'm not trying.

32 posted on 03/08/2004 6:08:07 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: radiohead
I could go without drinking, too, but who would want to?

I don't drink anything but wine, mostly red. There are so many wonderful wines in the world to sample.

A couple of glasses of Cabernet or Shiraz a day just caps off a wonderful day!

33 posted on 03/08/2004 6:08:50 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: radiohead
"On one hand, I'd just like to forget all about these meds. On the other, I haven't gotten over Nell Carter (a diabetic) dropping dead. It just really freaked me out and I'm hesitant not to try the new procedures."

I know the feeling. I've had two brothers die of heart attacks both at age 51. See my comments in post #29 about drug reactions.

34 posted on 03/08/2004 6:09:38 PM PST by blam
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To: wardaddy
Can you elaborate on the 16% "relative difference".

Is Lipitor about the same price?

The absolute difference is 3.9%. Divide that number 22.4% and my long hand division and I got 16.6%. Divide 3.9 by 26.3 and I got a number less than 15%. My calculator needs a replacement.

You would have to talk to a pharmacist or drug plan about prices.

Homocysteine levels and blood clots in the legs, called deep vein thrombosis(DVT), have been noted for a while. If the clot became reabsorbed there, then it wouldn't be a problem. They migrate often enough and cause fatal pulmonary embolism.

If you have a clot in your coronary arteries, then it's a myocardial infarction(MI) and the muscle of that section of your myocardium dies and becomes scar tissue. If you have a clot and it traves and/or forms in your brain, then you have a type of cerebrovascular accident(CVA) that happens about 80% of the time. The other type of CVA is hemmorhagic occuring around 20% of the time people have strokes.

AFAIK, the studies of homocysteine and MI and CVA have been inconclusive. Maybe it's to hard to control for all the variables, whatever. But if the homocysteine is borderline normal or elevated, you can lower it with the B Vitamin folic acid, 5mg/day, IIRC.

35 posted on 03/08/2004 6:09:46 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: codyjacksmom
bump for later
36 posted on 03/08/2004 6:15:51 PM PST by codyjacksmom
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To: neverdem
The lower they set the standards the more you have to go back to get your liver tested while on these drugs, and of course the more drugs you have to take and that will help make the drug manufacturers richer. Yeah sure why not, This will make more money for the drug folks , more money for the Dr.s . Good move. For them , The verdict isnt in yet on me.
37 posted on 03/08/2004 6:21:18 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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To: Sam Cree
"They're setting it up so no one can meet the cholesterol standards unless they're on statins."

THAT'S exactly what I'm thinking.....I do believe there is merit in the INFECTION part of heart problems, but that they can be taken care of with a course of antibiotics, from what I've read.

38 posted on 03/08/2004 6:21:36 PM PST by goodnesswins (The Democrat "Funeral" is on.....dum..dum..di...dum.)
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To: Dog Gone
100 is the target level for LDL? I think I'm a dead man.

If you have any one of the following: diabetes, peripheral vascular disease, atherosclosis of your carotid arteries, angina pectoris, history of MI or CVA, then that's your target, IIRC. Please see comment# 35.

If you're a male, at least 45 years old, smoke and have high blood pressure, I think you may also qualify. They have a somewhat complicated scheme to tally risk factors, IIRC. If you have a good HDL, that's a positive risk factor that counterbalances one those at the start of this paragraph. My papers are a complete mess, and I can't recall where I put my guidelines now. I also can't type, and I think I bit off more than I can chew.

39 posted on 03/08/2004 6:46:27 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Dianna
When I was a runner and in the 95th percentile for the renowned Cooper Clinic in Dallas, my cholesterol was 260.

Meanwhile a friend who likes to drink beer like I do was put on Lipitor, and his liver enzymes went nuts.

I'll stick with Pravachol, and enjoy my beer.

40 posted on 03/08/2004 6:52:45 PM PST by oldtimer (t)
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To: radiohead
I just don't want to wind up being one of those people tied to doctors and pharmacies the rest of their lives.

Who does? A friend of mine from 1st grade found out he had diabetes about 5 years ago when he had a bad foot infection and had to have toes amputated.

He went to Albert Einstein in NYC complaining of chest pain and they blew him off according to his brother telling him it was musculoskeletal pain. He had an MI. Please see comment#35. He was buried the Friday before last. He would have been 53 this month.

41 posted on 03/08/2004 6:59:27 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
Well, I'm guilty on many of those charges. I'm male, not quite 50, and recently quit smoking. At the same time my doctor put me on cholesterol drugs he put me on blood pressure medicine.

Other than feeling like crap for a couple of days after starting the regimen, I don't really feel any effects, except in my wallet. These drugs aren't cheap.

My HDL ratio is good, bordering on outstanding. I just need to take better care of myself, exercise more and substitute oatmeal for sausage more frequently. The problem is that I like bacon more than oatmeal, so when presented with a choice....

42 posted on 03/08/2004 6:59:56 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: lepton
I'd put my money on Braunwald. They always look at serum cholesterol levels. That's where it's not to far from the cholesterol crystals that are found within the atherosclerosis lining the arteries. Last I heard, there wasn't that great a correlation with cholesterol in diet. That's why they like these statins because they interfere with cholesterol synthesis in the liver.
43 posted on 03/08/2004 7:11:27 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Sam Cree
"I think this is bunk. They're setting it up so no one can meet the cholesterol standards unless they're on statins."

Man, you got an in the park home run on that one! Over the years the optimum cholesterol levels have dropped in direct relationship to the introduction of the newer statins. Lipitor, as I understand, is the largest medically prescribed and selling pharmaceutical of all time!

44 posted on 03/08/2004 7:16:09 PM PST by fuzzthatwuz (I really dislike Kerry and what he represents)
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To: goodnesswins
I do believe there is merit in the INFECTION part of heart problems, but that they can be taken care of with a course of antibiotics, from what I've read.

You need to read my comment# 1. They made no other mention of infection in the article other than what was that probably faulty translation of the acronym PROVEIT. They've done studies of patients with antibiotics and coronary artery disease. There was no benefit.

45 posted on 03/08/2004 7:28:08 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics and The Ravnskov Report tell us more about cholesterol.
46 posted on 03/08/2004 7:30:21 PM PST by redhead
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To: redhead
I believe in healthy skepticism too. Thanks for the link. The second one didn't work. Doctors have to document their work to standard of care, or they get sued.
47 posted on 03/08/2004 7:46:18 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
"One possibility, he and others suggested, is that more intensive therapy has a greater effect in suppressing inflammation. When plaques are inflamed, they are more likely to burst open."

This from the article.....confuses the issue, IMHO....plus, I'd like to know more about "studies of patients with antibiotics and coronary artery disease." Studying sick people is not what I'm interested in.....I want to know about the healthy who SUDDENLY become sick with a heart attack (happened to a friend.)

48 posted on 03/08/2004 7:57:10 PM PST by goodnesswins (The Democrat "Funeral" is on.....dum..dum..di...dum.)
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To: neverdem
I'm 60 and do take 10mg of Lipitor and have for several years. It did drop the number down to around 160 from about 250 but the HDL didn't really change much but the ratio is fine. I've taken an aspirin a day for the past 10 years. I also take folic acid, don't smoke (quit 31 years ago) and exercise regularly. Moderate alcohol consumption. I do need to drop a few pounds. My echo tests out better than an 18 year old according to the doctor. No sign whatever of clogging anywhere. But I do take Betapace for afib.

I've found that the Lipitor apparently causes a lot of dreaming at night. Other than that I can't think of any downsides. Liver enzymes are A-OK.
49 posted on 03/08/2004 8:49:49 PM PST by RichardW
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Sound better than me. Keep up the good work.
50 posted on 03/08/2004 9:09:47 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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