Cost of Jailing Illegal Aliens In Calif: $700 Million A Year. Federal Goverment Pays Zero.

KFI 640 Radio Los Angeles | 3-9-04 | Joe Hadenuf

[Joe Hadenuf]

Just reported today on LAs blowtorch station.

We are forced to pay for this, while the Federal Government refuses to pay one dime.

The Federal Government is in charge of the protection and security of our borders, yet from California to North Carolina, we are being forced to pay for this continued invasion of millions, many that come here and rape, rob, and murder our citizens and we end up paying to jail thousands of them.

The station will be discussing this again, in a few minutes.

[NorseWood]

Go John and Ken! Don't forget the cost of schools for the kids of these illegals, providing them medical care, etc., etc., etc.! We need to turn up the heat on Washington and Sacramento.

[NorseWood]

How about our insurance rates, cost of law enforcement in addition to the cost of jailing the criminals that happen to get caught.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Go John and Ken! Don't forget the cost of schools for the kids of these illegals, providing them medical care, etc., etc., etc.!

The $700,000,000 a year is just to pay for their incarceration. Nothing else!

[FairOpinion]

Then you can praise Arnold, because he is trying to get Federal money to cover those costs. Did they mention THIS on KABC?


"Schwarzenegger wrote to President Bush last month specifically urging him to include at least $565 million in his budget for a special program to pay those costs to California and other states.

``California has the largest population of incarcerated, undocumented immigrants of any state in the nation,'' Schwarzenegger wrote in a Jan. 9 letter, noting he believes the costs are a federal responsibility. ``Federal reimbursement of criminal alien incarceration costs . . . would greatly assist California in its economic recovery.''

As he did last year, the president proposed no money at all for the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program. Republicans and Democrats in Congress succeeded in adding $298 million for the program in the current 2004 budget. Now Schwarzenegger will have to focus his arm-twisting on the Republican-controlled Congress to do it again."

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/7862065.htm

[Joe Hadenuf]

It's costing America many *billons* not to mention the landscape is littered with American citizen victims.

[YouGoTexasGirl]

I say we bill Vicente Fox for these costs. Maybe after being charged he will do his part in obeying OUR immigration and work permit laws. His incentive? He'll get to keep more of the money we give Mexico each year!

[EEDUDE]

It sounds like California is a lost cause.

Illegals moving in, business moving out.

"Can you say Mega-Ghetto"?

[Joe Hadenuf]

It sounds like California is a lost cause.

Oh, it's only Cal huh? DOH!

"Can you say Mega-Ghetto"?

Yeah I can, and they'll call it Meximerica.

[Lancey Howard]

So, California rolls out the red carpet for illegals, offering everything from schools to health-care, and then complains that the federal government (my taxes) won't pay for jail for the bad people who show up for all the freebies?

[Gritty]

$700 million is chump change compared to what we are saving on a head of lettuce!

[YouGoTexasGirl]

When a governor asks Congress for more money all it does is spread the costs to every taxpayer in the USA versus really taking care of the problem. I still say that if we bill Vicente Fox and other countries causing this explosion of money out of our pockets and reduce the amount we send annually for whatever it is used for, it will change our 'neighbor's' mindset. Right now, they just let them cross our border and let us bare the expense.

[Doe Eyes]

I say we bill Vicente Fox for these costs. Maybe after being charged he will do his part in obeying OUR immigration and work permit laws.

Yes, its Mexico's fault our borders aren't secure.

[goldstategop]

Not to mention free health care for illegal aliens required by federal law. <sarcasm

[EEDUDE]

No, it's not just California, but it does seem voters there are intent on committing suicide.

[Joe Hadenuf]

It sounds like California is a lost cause.

Say, are you not from Indiana?

Didn't they just build a big ol new Mexican Consulate in Downtown Indiana? It's in your own backyard, but your jealousy for Cal is blinding you. Wake up.

Care to see more articles like the one below? Let me know, I have a lot of them.

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INDIANA: ISP Stop Van Load Of Suspected Illegal Immigrants [And release them!]

The Associated Press ^ | September 15, 2003 | The Associated Press

BEDFORD, INDIANA. -- A traffic stop in Lawrence County led to the arrests of 28 illegal immigrants from Mexico Saturday, police said.

The arrests occurred after an Indiana State Police trooper pulled over a van at the intersection of U.S. 50 and Indiana 446, according to police reports. Police said the trooper discovered that the driver, 30-year-old Perfecco Gonzalez, was not licensed, then requested help from other officers when he found the back of the van filled with people.

Among the 28 were men, women and minors, said Agent Mark Summers of Indiana Immigration and Customs Enforcement. All but Gonzalez were taken into custody by state immigration officials and driven from the Lawrence County Jail to Indianapolis on Sunday.

Gonzalez remained in Lawrence County on a charge of driving without a license. He had previously been deported for being an illegal alien and was to be processed by immigration officials as soon as he was released from jail. Immigration officials had not yet interviewed Gonzalez at length, Summers said. It was unclear who else might have been involved in bringing the van through Indiana.

According to police reports, the van's passengers claimed they had traveled from Mexico to Colorado to pick potatoes and were then traveling to Kentucky to pick tomatoes. "Communications are very difficult -- they are either refusing to speak or are unable to," a state police dispatcher's log said.

The 28 arrests were believe to have been the most made at one time by Indiana immigration officials this year, Summers said.

After being driven to Indianapolis, the van's passengers were processed and issued legal documents giving each 30 days to leave the country before they are again in violation of law. They were released later Sunday. None had prior criminal convictions or had previously been in the country illegally, Summers said.

[Joe Hadenuf]

So, California rolls out the red carpet for illegals, offering everything from schools to health-care, and bla bla.

So if some nutball in Sacramento wanted to pander to terrorist, or a few million con artists, would the Feds just sit on their asses and watch them cross the border.

Who's job is it to protect and secure our borders? California's?

And is it California's fault that places like North Carolina and other states are being inundated by illegal aliens?

I think not.

[GhostofWCooper]

They were released later Sunday.

What a joke. The trip to town (for papers) was just another waste of money.

This government steams ahead with its suicidal policies. When will the rank and file Americans get angry enough to put a stop to this ridiculous situation?

I can hear it now, "But you Americans don't want to pick the tomatoes..."

Let's start jailing the guys HIRING ILLEGALS.

[Equusphile]

Then you can praise Arnold, because he is trying to get Federal money to cover those costs. Did they mention THIS on KABC? 

Like most politicians, the problem with Arnold is his ignoring the cause of the problem, while trying to the alleviate the consequences in his neighbourhood by passing the buck to other people.  Federal money does not grow on trees, but originates from federal taxpayers like you and me. Arnold's approach just distributes the pain amongst many, making the pain less noticeable.

My main criticism of Arnold is his reluctance to make California unfriendly to illegal aliens. He is on record for considering a bill that is a variation of the repealed SB60, the bill granting drivers' licenses to illegal aliens.

http://www.save187.com/1160SB22204.html

[EEDUDE]

Easy friend.

I am not disagreeing with you. The situation is very serious.

And yes I live in Indiana, and yes, we have the same problem here, but not as severe.

But I can assure you that the majority of voters here are not stampeding to the polls and saying "hit me again"

I have been to Cal many times, and lived in San Diego for a couple of years while I was in the military. I've also been offered many jobs there. My wife is from Sacramento.

Why do you think we live in Indiana?

HINT:(It ain't jealousy)

I really LIKE being able to spit in any direction and not hit an illegal alien. And we will do what we can do to keep it that way.

Seriously, I don't understand how you got the impression that I am all for this invasion. I grew up in El Paso, and I saw what happened there even before it became a big issue.

I'm on your side on this issue.

[rodguy911]

O'Reilley and lou dobbs have got it right, a country that cannot secure it's borders is in bad shape. We are and we are.

[DumpsterDiver]

$700 million is chump change compared to what we are saving on a head of lettuce!

Damn straight! LOL

[Joe Hadenuf]

And yes I live in Indiana, and yes, we have the same problem here, but not as severe.

I understand, but that's exactly what we said, not to many years ago.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Let's start jailing the guys HIRING ILLEGALS.

That has been suggested thousands of times.

[rodguy911]

Once the ilegals, gays, blacks and other main constituents of the rat party become about 60-70% of the population they may be able to drag enough of them to the poles to win everything. When that happens costa rica will look even better.

[Joe Hadenuf]

I say we bill Vicente Fox for these costs.

You would think our own President would suggest that. Or at least pay the states for the burden these millions are causing. Don't know how they'll ever repay the dead and injured.

[Joe Hadenuf]

We all have to do what we have to do. Me, I choose to stay on the front lines. If the sh*t ever hits the fan, I plan on being being right in the middle. Wouldn't miss it for anything.

I suggest everyone start watching what these politicos real close. As this issue will only escalate here, and far beyond our state border.

[verity]

"We are forced to pay for this, while the Federal Government refuses to pay one dime."

The Federal Government uses my money and I do NOT live in California; ergo.............;~)

[international american]

Joe and I thought we would survive okay 10-12 years ago.
California is lost, and as I grew up in South Bend, EE you are next!

[EEDUDE]

Well Joe,

Please tell me what we should do about the problem.

I would like it solved as much as you.

Short of grabbing my rifle and binoculars and heading for the border, what CAN we do?

It does seem that the Feds have no intention of stopping it.

[atomicpossum]

Tatoo them with an identifying mark, get them all together, take them to the border, and force them across, back to where they came from. Line the National Guard up and let them know if they cross over and any of them are already marked as being previous problems, they'll be in for "special treatment."

[Lancey Howard]

Until the legal citizens of California rise up loudly and say to the illegals, "get out of our schools and our hospitals", then Californians deserve whatever they get. In the meantime, keep your wallet handy.

[Joe Hadenuf]

the National Guard

National Guard? Aren't they in the barracks somewhere polishing their boots? Speaking of spending $700,000,000 million just to jail and house illegals aliens when they break *more* of our laws, why are we paying good money for the National Guard? Are they not suppose to guard our Nation? Could they not assist the Border Patrol?

[Joe Hadenuf]

then Californians deserve whatever they get. In the meantime, keep your wallet handy.

Are those in Georgia, Colorado, Texas, Arizona, Utah, Indiana, Illinois, Washington, Tennessee, North Carolina, NY, Florida, getting what they deserve?

Come on Lancey, you know as well as I this not isolated to Cal.

[Lancey Howard]

Short of grabbing my rifle and binoculars and heading for the border, what CAN we do?

Easy. Forget about giving illegals a "downside" to slipping across the border, at least for now. The key is to get rid of the "upside". No schools, no health-care, no welfare, no SSI..... no freebies for illegals. It is awfully hypocritical for California to set itself up as a parasite magnet and then complain when the parasites show up.

[Lancey Howard]

Come on Lancey, you know as well as I this not isolated to Cal.

Of course it isn't, but California is at the cutting edge of the problem, ie., facing bankruptcy.
You know what they say - - "As goes California.....".

So let's see California deal with the problem.
Again, the first step is to take away the incentives for illegals to show up in the first place.

[Joe Hadenuf]

So if some nutball screw worm leftist in Sacramento wanted to pander to terrorist, or a few million con-artists, would the Feds just sit on their asses and watch them cross the border by the thousands?

Who's job is it to protect and secure our borders? Is it California's job Lancey?

And is it California's fault that places like North Carolina and *many* other states are being inundated by illegal aliens? Lets see how many states license and pander to Illegals? 12? 15 states?

[rodguy911]

What I fail to understand is that the numbers opposing illegal immigartion are staggering. No one is for it, even most of the naturalized citizens, when will the politicos listen to the people?

[Joe Hadenuf]

Again, the first step is to take away the incentives for illegals to show up in the first place.

Wrong Lancey.

I don't care what some leftist wants to do in Sacramento California, it's the Federal Governments job to secure and protect our borders.

They are not doing the job Lancey. That is where the problem Starts! Not in Sacramento, but at our NATIONAL BORDERS.

[lewislynn]

when will the politicos listen to the people

Stay home this November, the silence will be deafening.

[Joe Hadenuf]

What I fail to understand is that the numbers opposing illegal immigartion are staggering. No one is for it, even most of the naturalized citizens, when will the politicos listen to the people?

That is the bottom line.

Some here don't want to admit, this is a Federal government caused problem. Look at Texas. Is it California's fault that hundereds of thousands of illegals are pouring into Texas and many other states?

[lewislynn]

So let's see California deal with the problem.

The article is about California. Illegal's are a national problem.

Don't let your hatred for California(ns) get in the way of intelligent thinking.

[KingNo155]

Send the bill to Vincent Fox!

[EEDUDE]

"It is awfully hypocritical for California to set itself up as a parasite magnet and then complain when the parasites show up."

THAT was EXACTLY the point of my original post to Joe.

Why in the hell do people keep voting to pay for these parasites?

I truly do not understand what appears to be happening there. California should be in a state of open revolt!

Is there no one left who cares?

[txdoda]

So, California rolls out the red carpet for illegals,

It's our Fed, Gov't rolling out the 'red carpet'.......as you can see, TX *used* to have a Gov. requesting federal monies for 'illegal upkeep' since "the feds weren't doing their jobs at the borders"........

Bush: End grants that offset migrant costs

Arizona's attorney general warns of a 'grave impact' if the criminal justice cash is eliminated

SERGIO BUSTOS, Citizen Washington Bureau SUSAN CARROLL, Citizen Staff Writer

tucsoncitizen.com Feb. 20, 2002

(snip) WASHINGTON - When President Bush was governor of Texas, he railed against Congress and the Clinton administration for not giving states enough money to pay the cost of jailing illegal immigrants convicted of crimes. " If the federal government cannot do its job of enforcing the borders, then it owes the states monies to pay for its failure, " Bush said in 1995 after Texas lost a lawsuit claiming the federal government owed it $5 billion for costs of dealing with the immigrants.

As president, Bush is singing a far different tune.

Bush wants to do away with the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program that distributed $535 million last year to help hundreds of state and local governments offset costs of keeping criminal immigrants behind bars.

[Lancey Howard]

I have no hatred of California. I've been there several times and I love the place. It's (a majority of) the people I hate. How can I have any respect for people who elect the scumbags they elect? If they don't want to be kicked, then why do they tape "kick me" signs to their own backs?

[EEDUDE]

"Don't let your hatred for California(ns) get in the way of intelligent thinking"

That's twice in this thread that someone has implied that all the rest of us either hate or envy California.

I don't really think that's the case.

The rest of us just can't figure out why the citizens of that state keep voting for more and more of the same kind of programs that keep bringing the illegals in!

People who care about this problem should be marching on Sacramento and sending a clear message that politicians could easily get their walking papers, if not worse.

Don't expect Federal action until the local situation gets hot. It shouldn't be that way, but that's the way I see it.

Another question: Why isn't the esteemed mayor of SF in jail?

[txdoda]

Until the legal citizens of California rise up loudly and say to the illegals, "get out of our schools and our hospitals", then Californians deserve whatever they get. In the meantime, keep your wallet handy.

WRONG......that will only 'scatter' them to the other states.

All voters in every state need to demand every elected official enforce our immigration laws. Anyone who doesn't needs to be voted out.

This INVASION cannot be stopped with some little 'guest worker program.

(just read a thread where ONE little mexican border town in complaining because they were *invaded* by 34,000 last month on their way north, to INVADE us.)

[templar]

It's all part of the plan, don't worry about it. The Republicans are in charge of things now, so whatever is going on is for the best. Think about how much worse it was under the Democrats if you need consoling.

[txdoda]

So let's see California deal with the problem. Again, the first step is to take away the incentives for illegals to show up in the first place.

How 'bout the Feds *dealing* with the problems they created ??

Please name ANY incentives the feds have removed re: the illegals.

I saw where there are some 400+ laws before states (& cities) this year re: *only* illegals.

Accepting 'foreign ID's, Drivers Licenses, immigration enforcement, Day labor centers, in state tuitions, etc, etc.

By Washington DC remaining silent on these issues, they are in fact dividing the states.