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U.S. Prods China and India on Trade, Zoellick Says
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Posted on 03/09/2004 8:50:10 PM PST by maui_hawaii

Edited on 07/19/2004 2:13:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

March 9 (Bloomberg) -- The Bush administration prodded China and India to cut barriers to trade and investment, saying it's the best way for them to counter growing protectionism in the U.S.

China also must take steps to revalue its currency and end a tax on foreign-made semiconductors, U.S. Trade Representative Robert Zoellick told Congress today. The U.S. may soon file its first complaint at the World Trade Organization against China to get an end to the tax on U.S.-made computer chips, he said.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: china; india; trade; zoellick
The Bush administration, which has reached five new free trade agreements and is negotiating four more, is trying to make the case that trade benefits the U.S. economy.

Trade does...but we don't have trade going on especially with some big players on the stage...and thats the problem.

1 posted on 03/09/2004 8:50:11 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: maui_hawaii
``India has been a closed economy and it needs to be encouraged to open up.''

"Encouraged." New Dehli is shivering in their boots.

< /sarcasm>

2 posted on 03/09/2004 8:54:09 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Shermy
Oh yeah... for sure. I can hear Dell shaking too...
3 posted on 03/09/2004 9:00:01 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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"Still, Zoellick signaled that the U.S. is unwilling to challenge China's currency peg at the WTO,"

The Chines would have to revalue the yuan by a factor of 10 to their wages even remotely comparable to ours.

4 posted on 03/09/2004 9:08:31 PM PST by WillL
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On absolute terms, yeah, maybe. But I can already tell you know next to nothing about trade.

Pricing is done on total package deal...not just labor costs.

It depends on what products we are talking about, but in large part China only beats US manufacturing prices by the single digit percentages. It depends on what. Thats not just talking about labor (which some single mindedly beat to death), but rather a comprehensive price of what gets to the customer....

5 posted on 03/09/2004 9:14:20 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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Still, Zoellick signaled that the U.S. is unwilling to challenge China's currency peg at the WTO,

ROFLMAO! Unwilling? Utter nonsense. Unable is more like it. We owe lots of money to China, and they continue to buy our debt. If they quit buying, the rates go up - and our economy is too fragile to endure increased interest rates. They can bring us to heel just by not lending us more money.

We would be wise to learn to tug our forelocks, look down at the ground, and say "Yessir, Massa" to our new Chinese overlords.

The free traders can be proud of the chains of slavery they've wrought for all of us to wear! Perhaps they can even arrange for their sons to become valued eunuchs to a wealthy Chinese merchant.

6 posted on 03/09/2004 9:15:31 PM PST by neutrino (Oderint dum metuant: Let them hate us, so long as they fear us.)
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In other words a 10% increase in the RMB vs the dollar would make a world of difference.
7 posted on 03/09/2004 9:15:45 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: neutrino
You played the debt card ala China...

The debt card IMHO is a running joke in my book.

8 posted on 03/09/2004 9:17:06 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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The debt card IMHO is a running joke in my book.

Really? And perhaps, with just a bit of encouragement, you might be willing to share the humor with us all? How is it that 1.5 Trillion USD held by China and Japan is so amusing? Do tell, please!

9 posted on 03/09/2004 9:19:19 PM PST by neutrino (Oderint dum metuant: Let them hate us, so long as they fear us.)
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I can explain...but first where did you get that number? Its completely off.

China owns about 2% of US debt...thats no where near 1.5 trillion...not even close.

The debt market doesn't work like many think...

10 posted on 03/09/2004 9:22:03 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: neutrino
China actually holds I think less than 2%...but I will have to look around...Its definately not more than the 2% range at all.
11 posted on 03/09/2004 9:29:39 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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but in large part China only beats US manufacturing prices by the single digit percentages.

Got an example of the percentage breakdown of the cost components of a specific item (i.e. labor, materials, shipping, taxes and other government fees etc.)?

12 posted on 03/09/2004 9:34:05 PM PST by WillL
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Not that I can post on the internet...
13 posted on 03/09/2004 9:48:04 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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Well, do you have any facts or data to back up your assertion in #5: "China only beats US manufacturing prices by the single digit percentages:?
14 posted on 03/09/2004 10:03:20 PM PST by WillL
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To: neutrino
See here.

China plus Hong Kong held about $200 billion in treasury securities as of Dec '03. Japan held about $545 billion in the same month.

The lesson is: if Japan decides to let the Yen float, America enters a recession. However, Japan's economy is so weak that doesn't seem likely for the forseeable future.

15 posted on 03/09/2004 10:16:45 PM PST by WillL
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To: WillL
Yes, my information comes from the same source you quote - however, I suppose I expressed my views poorly.

As you say, and amount currently held by China and Hong Kong is a little over $210 billion. The total amount, on the grand total line of your link, is the $1.5 trillion dollar amount I was referring to.

Although I think China represents a greater strategic threat than other countries, the total amount of debt (all of which must be serviced) is important IMO.

16 posted on 03/10/2004 5:39:52 AM PST by neutrino (Oderint dum metuant: Let them hate us, so long as they fear us.)
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