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Bush strikes back at critics of outsourcing
The Financial Times ^ | 9. March 2004 | Edward Alden

Posted on 03/10/2004 4:43:33 AM PST by 1rudeboy

President George W. Bush hit back at Democratic critics of his administration's job-creation efforts on Tuesday, branding them as "economic isolationists" who would raise new trade barriers and damage the US economy.

The comments came as part of what appeared to be a co-ordinated administration effort to respond to growing political pressures over the slow pace of US job growth, which has helped push Mr Bush's likely Democratic opponent, John Kerry, ahead of the president in several recent polls.

In a speech in Virginia, Mr Bush said: "There are economic isolationists in our country who believe we should separate ourselves from the rest of the world by raising up barriers and closing off markets. They're wrong. If we are to continue growing this economy and creating new jobs, America must remain confident and strong about our ability to trade in the world."

Robert Zoellick, the US trade representative, similarly warned Congress on Tuesday that "given the fact we're now in a stage of an economic recovery, the absolutely worst thing we could do would be to turn to economic isolationism".

Mr Zoellick told the Senate finance committee that increasing US exports to countries such as China and India, encouraging foreign investment in the US, and helping workers adjust to the loss of some jobs abroad were better responses than "bureaucratic interventions that will increase prices to our people".

Mr Bush's comments came less than a week after the Senate passed legislation aimed at preventing US government contracts from being carried out by workers in developing countries.

The administration has been uncertain over how to respond to the continued slow pace of job creation. Mr Bush has sought to distance himself from recent remarks by a senior economic adviser, Gregory Mankiw, that outsourcing of jobs is just a part of trade and therefore good for the US economy. But the administration now appears set to mount a more robust defence of companies that move US jobs abroad.

"US companies with foreign affiliates now account for about 58 per cent of our exports," said Mr Zoellick. "So the companies that do business overseas are also exporting overseas."

"I think the challenge is: How do you help people in a way that doesn't hurt or kill other jobs?" he said, pointing out that the US currently runs a $60bn annual trade surplus in the service sector, which has seen a growing number of jobs moved to lower-wage countries.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush43; busk; immigrantlist; mobythread; offshoring; outsourcing; trade
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1 posted on 03/10/2004 4:43:34 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Yes... Kerry wants to kill Walmart and choke off cheap goods for ordinary Americans. That's what he and his party would do if they got their way on outsourcing - higher prices and fewer choices in consumer goods for Americans.
2 posted on 03/10/2004 4:45:48 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: 1rudeboy
He's on thin ice here. No matter how logical his arguement is those that have jobs outsourced have families and friends who vote not to mention peers who worry if their next as well as those who have had their salaries reduced.

It adds up.

3 posted on 03/10/2004 4:48:20 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Semper Paratus
He's on thin ice here.

Thats an understatement. I'm still wondering (wishing) if the article is for real.
4 posted on 03/10/2004 4:52:37 AM PST by e_castillo
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To: goldstategop
Kerry wants to kill Walmart and choke off cheap goods for ordinary Americans

What I want to know is what happens when "ordinary Americans" can't afford even "cheap goods"?

5 posted on 03/10/2004 4:53:22 AM PST by BikePacker
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To: BikePacker
Then our economy goes under.
6 posted on 03/10/2004 4:54:48 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: 1rudeboy
I would like to know Bush's justification for outsourcing government jobs - like the Wisconsin food stamp program. Here is Wisconsin, using the tax dollars of her citizens to pay people in some other country to answer the telephone questions of the citizens of Wisconsin on how to get Wisconsin tax dollars since they don't have jobs.

It seems to me that more people in Wisconsin would have jobs (and therefore need less food stamps) if the state of Wisconsin hired some of her citizens to answer the telephones.
7 posted on 03/10/2004 4:55:11 AM PST by Raleigh's Golden Mountaineer
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To: Raleigh's Golden Mountaineer
bump
8 posted on 03/10/2004 4:55:52 AM PST by ConservativeMan55 (There is no problem so great that it cannot be solved with high powered explosives.)
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To: 1rudeboy
Doesn't "TRADE" imply selling goods to other countries, and in return buying goods from them?

When did "Free Trade" become defined as: 'Sending as many jobs as possible to countries with lower living standards in order to maximize profits by slashing payroll'

9 posted on 03/10/2004 4:55:53 AM PST by BikePacker
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To: 1rudeboy
But the administration now appears set to mount a more robust defence of companies that move US jobs abroad.

Rut roh, I doubt that this is going to go over well with the general public.

10 posted on 03/10/2004 4:58:12 AM PST by westerfield
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To: Semper Paratus
He's on thin ice here.

Maybe, but I'm not so sure. Bush can surely make the case that the U.S. is a net beneficiary of world-wide outsourcing. He just has to tell the story and keep telling it.

Don't forget those 5 million or so folks who work for Toyota, BMW, Seimans, Thomson CSF et al that are the benefactors of outsourcing from other countries. They know where a Kerry isolationist policy would take them and they are not going to go down that road.

And Walmart employees are not going to be jumping up and down when they listen to Kerry. They are, I assume, mostly folks who are inclined to lean Democrat who would also not look kindly on anything that would restrict their company's ability to import the cheap chinese goods that are the fuel that runs Walmart.

11 posted on 03/10/2004 4:59:53 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: 1rudeboy
The term "economic isolationists" is unfortunate. It frames the debate as binary, either/or choice between two extreme positions.

The fact is that we are being taken advantage of. "free trade" does not exist. Anyone who suggests otherwise has no supporting evidence and will not until AFTER our HUGE, growing, and continuous trade imbalances are rectified. There are a certain few who are making a lot of money off these imbalances. They are the ones screaming the loudest in defense of their own self-interests and against the interests of the nation as a whole.

Rock on, Lou Dobbs! Expose what's going on and let consumer and citizens decide!
12 posted on 03/10/2004 5:01:20 AM PST by SolutionsOnly
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To: SolutionsOnly
There are a certain few who are making a lot of money off these imbalances

Ding! Ding! Ding!

13 posted on 03/10/2004 5:03:46 AM PST by BikePacker
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To: Semper Paratus
Correct. The President (or his advisors) are making a critical error here. In fact, it may be fatal when coupled with the immigration issue.

Right or wrong in this position, these campaign policy-makers appear to be isolated from reality. The concerned talk on the American street today is not terror, but is primarily related to jobs and the work place....i.e.....outsourcing, getting laid off, getting dismissed, immigrants taking jobs from Americans, trying to deal with employees who don't speak English, corporations moving overseas, immigrants working for lower wages than Americans, falling salaries or no raises, cuts in benefits, established, respected companies going bankrupt or out of business.....it goes on and on.

If conservatives try to explain some valid Bush or Republican logic on some of these issues, it falls on deaf ears. Folks in the workplace, whether white collar or the trades, are upset and are blaming everything on Bush. The level of discontent is more widespread and serious than conservatives allow themselves to think.

Leni

14 posted on 03/10/2004 5:08:07 AM PST by MinuteGal (Register now for "FReeps Ahoy 3" . A week of fun, food, freeperistics, starting in the low $700's!)
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To: westerfield
I wonder how these folks will feel about it...
'One in six' Silicon Valley tech jobs ripe for offshoring

Ehhh, I guess computers are the new buggy-whips.

15 posted on 03/10/2004 5:09:27 AM PST by BikePacker
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To: BikePacker
Doesn't "TRADE" imply selling goods to other countries, and in return buying goods from them? When did "Free Trade" become defined as: 'Sending as many jobs as possible to countries with lower living standards in order to maximize profits by slashing payroll'

In economical terms, a service IS a good. Hence, importing the services from another country is NO DIFFERENT than importing in a manufactured product. Jobs are not being exported, services are being imported. And that's nothing new, the US has been and is still the world leader in services.
16 posted on 03/10/2004 5:10:26 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: InterceptPoint
And Walmart employees are not going to be jumping up and down when they listen to Kerry. They are, I assume, mostly folks who are inclined to lean Democrat who would also not look kindly on anything that would restrict their company's ability to import the cheap chinese goods that are the fuel that runs Walmart.

I don't think that you understand how the typical Walmart employee thinks - I think he is more likely to resent being stuck in a deadend job that pays $7 bucks an hour rather than worry about where it is that Walmart imports its products.

17 posted on 03/10/2004 5:10:31 AM PST by westerfield
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To: BikePacker
And in exporting of services i.e. importing jobs from other countries....
18 posted on 03/10/2004 5:10:49 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: BikePacker; SolutionsOnly; 1rudeboy; goldstategop
There are a certain few who are making a lot of money off these imbalances

Read carefully what you're saying:  it's a terrible thing if someone makes a lot of money-- either everyone gets the same amount of money or we all have to loose money equally.

19 posted on 03/10/2004 5:11:10 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: Raleigh's Golden Mountaineer
Interesting situation. Pay higher taxes so more people can work for the state, or pay lower taxes and fewer people work for the state. Can't do a static analysis with so many variables, but the basic principle behind protecting the state job is to extract the wages for that job from the taxpayer. So, if you are the one getting the state job, you're happy. If you're merely paying for it, it's not that great.
20 posted on 03/10/2004 5:11:46 AM PST by Mr. Bird
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To: 1rudeboy
Bush Joins Outsourcing Debate
21 posted on 03/10/2004 5:15:28 AM PST by Fraulein
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To: BikePacker
It just boggles my mind that Bush intends to argue that outsourcing is a good thing in and of itself - his best shot would have been to announce that he was going to pressure China to open up their markets and increase their imports from us. If he tries to argue in favor of outsourcing, it's all over for him, he might just as well hand the election to Kerry.
22 posted on 03/10/2004 5:16:54 AM PST by westerfield
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To: MinuteGal
"The concerned talk on the American street today is not terror, but is primarily related to jobs and the work place...."

It's just sad that we have citizens that are selfish enough they would succomb to terror as long as they have a job! It shows the overall selfish attitude our citizens have adopted.
23 posted on 03/10/2004 5:21:26 AM PST by CSM (Theft is immoral, taxation is government endorsed theft!)
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To: MinuteGal
Absolutely correct analysis. An intellectual, free trade, argument will not help Bush in this case. The fear factor associated with the events you describe is far more powerful. Bush and Rove need to rethink their approach to Kerry on this issue.
All of these laid off/threatened voters really add up.
24 posted on 03/10/2004 5:23:34 AM PST by Truth29
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To: westerfield
If he tries to argue in favor of outsourcing, it's all over for him, he might just as well hand the election to Kerry.

Witness all the potential Kerry voters on this thread.

25 posted on 03/10/2004 5:24:42 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: CSM
It's just sad that we have citizens that are selfish enough they would succomb to terror as long as they have a job!

Ya that's right...

They are soo flippin selfish for not wanting to default on their mortgage.

26 posted on 03/10/2004 5:25:18 AM PST by BikePacker
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To: Semper Paratus
And you propose to win those voters how? You'd only be able to do it with some sort of a hand-out, and that's what we have Democrats for.
27 posted on 03/10/2004 5:26:09 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
If he tries to argue in favor of outsourcing, it's all over for him, he might just as well hand the election to Kerry.

Witness all the potential Kerry voters on this thread.

No one has supported Lurch - and besides, he's beholden to the same "Captains of Industry" who are shoving this down our throats.

28 posted on 03/10/2004 5:27:22 AM PST by BikePacker
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To: expat_panama
Also, observe the underlying premise: if trade deficit, then "free trade" does not exist.
29 posted on 03/10/2004 5:29:21 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
And you propose to win those voters how?

It's the middle class that's getting outsourced and they voted for Bush in 2000. Who will make up their votes?

30 posted on 03/10/2004 5:29:26 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: expat_panama
I have no problem with people making money. But I do have a problem - a major problem - with those who would sell their own mother to make a buck. Free trade and capitalism - concepts I strongly support - do not mean abandonment of ethics, morals, or principle.
31 posted on 03/10/2004 5:29:26 AM PST by SolutionsOnly
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To: BikePacker
Ehhh, I guess computers are the new buggy-whips.

People don't seem to understand this either. I bet the buggy whip and typewriter manufacturers were just as po'd when it happened to them,
then they found jobs in the new industries.

The problem here is that I don't see what this newer, more (skillwise) demanding industry is at this time.

32 posted on 03/10/2004 5:29:55 AM PST by MrB
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To: 1rudeboy
Slapping some fat tariffs on all this junk might help pay for Iraq.

Dear Mr. Bush--I'll be voting for you, but it looks as if it's going to be with very little enthusiasm--much less than I had even a year ago.

I listen to your speeches, and I was inspired by your many calls to sacrifices.

I'm beginning to believe, however, that's all you have in store for us citizens--sacrifices.

The privileges and bounties of being Americans, or even legal resident aliens, are diminishing more every day.

While I want to see Iraq's borders protected, how I wish you regarded America's national sovereignty with as much passion. I'm so sick of seeing you grin at Vicente Fox I could heave.

It all started with that "willing workers for willing employers"--we all know that there are willing slaves for willing slave-drivers.

I just didn't know that that was what you had in mind for Americans.

33 posted on 03/10/2004 5:30:57 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: 1rudeboy
(Sigh). This attitude is, in my opinion, going to cost us this election. I hope I'm wrong.
34 posted on 03/10/2004 5:31:05 AM PST by neutrino (Oderint dum metuant: Let them hate us, so long as they fear us.)
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To: BikePacker
Is that where you wish to draw the line? Fair enough, I'll rephrase . . . "No one on this thread supports Kerry, some simply support his rhetoric."
35 posted on 03/10/2004 5:31:06 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Witness all the potential Kerry voters on this thread.

Most of them are probably trolls anyway. Trade is good for an economy and the American economy has just continued to boom as its markets have been freed.

36 posted on 03/10/2004 5:31:13 AM PST by Texas_Dawg ("Hey, John Kerry, why the long face?")
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To: 1rudeboy
There are trade barriers and subsidies erected by other countries that play a significant role in our trade deficits. These barriers contradict the notion of 'free'.
37 posted on 03/10/2004 5:31:44 AM PST by SolutionsOnly
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To: neutrino
(Sigh). This attitude is, in my opinion, going to cost us this election. I hope I'm wrong.

No it won't. "Outsourcing" gets a lot of screams from a vocal but very small minority. Most Americans aren't that stupid. Just watch.

38 posted on 03/10/2004 5:32:38 AM PST by Texas_Dawg ("Hey, John Kerry, why the long face?")
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To: westerfield
"If he tries to argue in favor of outsourcing, it's all over for him, he might just as well hand the election to Kerry".

Right now I am convinced that Bush does not want to win this election. He has done everything in his power to alienate most Americans. While this sort of talk may get him the "Corporate vote", it will not get him the other votes. It almost seems as if he thinks the War on Terror will win the election for him no matter what he does. If Kerry does win this election, I will place the blame soley on Bush and his advisors.

39 posted on 03/10/2004 5:33:09 AM PST by JustAnAmerican
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President George W. Bush hit back at Democratic critics of his administration's job-creation efforts on Tuesday, branding them as "economic isolationists"

I think it's offshoring more than mere outsourcing that's the issue.

Not all of dem Rats oppose offshoring. On this issue Hillary is the President's sister.

According to the WSJ (Daniel Henninger) Hillary defended offshoring against Lou Dobbs' criticism of Tata Consultancy in Buffalo by saying, "I know they outsource jobs," the senator replied with the patience of Job, "but they've brought jobs to Buffalo. You know, outsourcing does work both ways."

"I'm not in favor of putting up fences around the country," said the Senator. [end excerpt]

"Free" trade supporters offer little more than a kind of "It's for the children" feeeeeeeeling as the benefit of "free" trade. Oddly, some are among the most vocal opponents of Kyoto, a thinly disguised ruse to distribute wealth to "developing nations."

But what is this version of "free" trade? Sending our technology, manufacturing, and IT-enabled services off shore and importing those goods and services redistributes wealth to "developing nations." Bad enough but what is really maddening is the way those nations became ready to receive our goodies. To wit, our government's help in building their infrastructures.

So why don't "free" traders join Hillary and support Kyoto also? Both take from those who have and give to those who need. Both remove resources from our Republic and give the resource to others. Oh, yeah. One helps the pocketbooks of a some Americans and the other doesn't..

This version of "free" trade is jobs chasing cheap labor and short-term gain, fair enough. That's life. But I suppose it's too much to ask 'em to stop lying about it?

40 posted on 03/10/2004 5:33:14 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: 1rudeboy
Those that cry that outsourcing is bad want a Socialist country. They believe the Government is responsible for thier jobs.

They think if there is a socialist country everyone will be happy. The government should never be in the job creation or retention position. The Fair Tax is the only true way to compete.

41 posted on 03/10/2004 5:33:36 AM PST by Baseballguy
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To: SolutionsOnly
There are trade barriers and subsidies erected by other countries that play a significant role in our trade deficits. These barriers contradict the notion of 'free'.

Maybe not free on their end, but free on ours. And that's all that matters. As long as our markets are free, we will continue to greatly outpace them economically as we have for decades.

42 posted on 03/10/2004 5:33:42 AM PST by Texas_Dawg ("Hey, John Kerry, why the long face?")
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To: 1rudeboy
Being self-employed, it isn't difficult for me to understand why companies would move elsewhere--for the same reason many of our great- or great-great-grandparents came to this country--to get out from under the overbearing thumb of government.

Subsidies to the sugar people forced companies into Canada from this country.

Wealth is being destroyed in this country by the regulatory juggernaut of bureaucratic government. Take drug manufacturers as an example: How many dollars do they spend on research to meet a market demand only to have to jump the hurdles of the FDA? When and if they come up with a product, how many years does it take for FDA approval? When the FDA announces, as if they are to be thanked, "this new drug will save 15,000 lives this year," why doesn't anyone ask: "Does that mean you killed 45,000 people over the last three years before you would give it your stamp of approval?

I'm a sole proprietor. Based on the strangle-hold the State has on me--in fact, I'm being forced to take a business law course so I can continue working as my father before me--along with the other regulations I must comply with--I say one would have to be out of his mind to gointo business in this country.

Or are we all going to suggest that our regulatory government is non-existent?

43 posted on 03/10/2004 5:34:19 AM PST by WhiteyAppleseed (The hell with the cheese, let's get out of this trap.--a mouse)
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To: Baseballguy
Those that cry that outsourcing is bad want a Socialist country.

Yep. "Underlying every argument against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman

44 posted on 03/10/2004 5:34:32 AM PST by Texas_Dawg ("Hey, John Kerry, why the long face?")
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To: 1rudeboy
I'm thinking more about the independent voters that Bush needs to win over...you know, the Ross Perot people who never cared for NAFTA in the first place? He had better re--think his stategy and emphasize something else, arguing in favor of outsourcing would be a very risky tactic.
45 posted on 03/10/2004 5:35:12 AM PST by westerfield
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
"Free" trade supporters offer little more than a kind of "It's for the children" feeeeeeeeling as the benefit of "free" trade.

Patently ridiculous. Who would you say is taking the "emotional" stand on this thread?

46 posted on 03/10/2004 5:35:20 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: BikePacker
WSait five years at this rate and find out.
47 posted on 03/10/2004 5:35:24 AM PST by TXBSAFH (KILL-9 needs no justification.)
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To: 1rudeboy
"No one on this thread supports Kerry, some simply support his rhetoric."

Well... then that's just Bush's fault - plain and simple.

Kerry holds the EXACT SAME POSITION as Bush, and his voting record proves that fact. Bush/Rove should be outing him as a liar (and actually USING that word)

49 posted on 03/10/2004 5:37:26 AM PST by BikePacker
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To: Semper Paratus; goldstategop; 1rudeboy

Bureau of Labor statistics:

January 2001 Employment - 136.0 million

January 2004 Employment - 138.566 million

50 posted on 03/10/2004 5:38:11 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Unless the world is made safe for Democracy, Democracy won't be safe in the world.)
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