Mom's death ends tragic life lived hard way

Valley Press ^ | March 9, 2004 | NICOLE JACOB

[AppyPappy]

It's like a documentary supporting orphanages

[cupcakes]

Umm, she is 30 and has an 18 year old daughter--you do the math. As for kicking children out, there are plenty of scumbag parents who contribute to their children's behavior and then kick them out to fend for themselves. How can you believe this girl is a scumbag, but not believe that she could have had scumbag parents? I just don't believe 12 year olds get pregnant in a vacuum, nor are they capable of caring for themselves if the person who is ensured with their care kicks them out.
Perhaps, you have never dealt with parents who kick their children out because they can't handle a problem they helped make. I have been that child. I was kicked out at 15 and went back and forth. I can relate a bit to what this kid went through, but like I said, I just don't understand why someone like this doesn't at some point, as they mature, say I want something different, I'm sickof pining for the parental love I will never get and will never find in someone else.
I think to make this woman out as some hero with everything out of her control is ludicrous, but at the other end of the spectrum it lacks much sense to say at the beginning of this affair she was wholly culpable for the direction her life was taking. IMO, at that point, HER PARENT had a choice to help get her in the right direction and rejected it. At the very least, this woman seems to have succeeded on one front her own parent didn't--her oldest is 18 and hasn't had children(she said she looked forward to being a grandparent so I assume she didn't have any yet). It's not much, but it is a start over where her life started. One can hope the 18 year old will look at this as a new lease on life and go back to school and make something of herself.

[Monterrosa-24]

Did you know we have a "diversity program" for visa applications? Did you know we just accepted 12 thousand Somalians as part of a U.N. refugee agreement?

[BenLurkin]

I hear what you're saying, but disagree if you mean illness on the scale of schizophrenia or severe bipolar. (though I am NOT a shrink).

There is a complete collapse in what people understand to be 'normal behavior' in some parts of America. It IS dysfunctional, but it replicates itself from generation to generation due in no small part to the layers of handouts the government provides that permit the dysfunctional elements to propagate (and actually grow in numbers!)

Promiscuity is not considered a mental illness today as it was when I took psychology courses in college. (Of course back then homosexuality was still understood to be a mental illness)

[BUCKSBUD]

What is really sad about this whole situation is that see probably had sisters and each of them had multiple children and it sounds as though her SIX children are about to repeat her cycle. Then each of these six will have four or five and so on and so forth. In twenty years there will be twenty offspring from each and they will accept this life style as normal. SAD BUT TRUE.

[squarebarb]

I hope her kids make something of themselves as well. God bless them.

But I still don't believe she as 12 and pregnant and got kicked out into the street. The parents could have been arrested for child abuse and jailed for throwing out a pregnant 12-year-old.

I understand it can take a long time to straighten oneself out when one has mindless parents. But at a certain point sympathy fails. Like a lot of passive women, they fall into the arms of anybody and anything that comes along. It's sort of the difference between men and women in toto. Women commit crimes of passivity and men generally those of agression. Crimes of passivity are just as horrible. This is a perfect example.

[The_Victor]

Sad story, but given this...

Nothing ever had come easy for Carreon. Kicked out of her mother's house at 12 after becoming pregnant, she had six children - all girls - by the time she was 22. She battled substance addiction, poverty, jail time and at least one abusive relationship....

it sounds like she made her own bed.

[cherry]

"sounds like she sure knows how to pick her men... but that's "society"'s fault, t'aint it?"

Its' somebody's fault when a 12 yro. gets pregnant....it used to be called rape....

[kittymyrib]

The only thing the pathetic school system taught this crowd was their malignant self-esteem. I'm afraid we are doomed...

[Blood of Tyrants]

"Even though my mom was young, she was very, very wise"

I hate to tell you this, baby girl, but your mom made bad choices time after time after time until those choices killed her. That isn't wisdom, it is stupidity.

[cherry]

well said.....if the doctors and engineers and the pilots and yes, even the lawyer type people don't start having more children, then we will very quickly be over run with the white trash and the black trash and the many colored trash that is out there....

[Blood of Tyrants]

Not if the father is only a year or two older than the girl.

[El Gato]

It doesn't sound real. The reporter heard this from somebody who wanted to make the woman seem more sympathetic and didn't check it out.

My guess is that she was pregnant at 14 or so and never got kicked out of anywhere. And then just continued to get pregnant. On social assisstance.

She was 30, her oldest daughter is 18. You do the math.

[TnMomofTwo]

Some of the comments I've read on this thread are just as shameful as the behavior of the woman in the article...

flame away....

[Migjagger]

Not her own doing. This is an example of the failure of responsibility in the family unit, i.e. parents. A girl who is pregnant by the age of 12 is not responsible. Her parents are responsible. This whole story is a tragedy that occurs more than one would like to believe. That's why religion is there-- to help us sustain our social contract.

[tdadams]

"Those who loved Carreon grieve her loss, while at the same time marveling at her resilience."

How do you admire someone who's entire life was one self-imposed hardship after another? At some point, maybe after the third or fourth kid, you'd think she would've seen some correlation between a hard life and bad decision making.

[BenLurkin]

"The only thing the pathetic school system taught this crowd was their malignant self-esteem."

Another good point. The folks in these situations think very small, and measure themselves and each other against very low standards.

[tdadams]

"Even though my mom was young, she was very, very wise," Kat said.

Sorry, honey. I know you loved your mom, but she was clearly not wise. I'm drawing a blank, what is the word for 'opposite of wise'?

[BenLurkin]

The comments certainly run the gamut, but then it could be a good thing.

This thread should serve as a useful forum for addressing conservative solutions to the societal problems highlighted in this woman's story.

[BenLurkin]

Please see my #11 for comment on the article's style.