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Ann Coulter: W.W.J.K.: WHO WOULD JESUS KILL?
Coulter via Yahoo ^ | 3-10-04 | Ann Coulter

Posted on 03/10/2004 4:10:11 PM PST by Pharmboy

William Safire, The New York Times' in-house "conservative" -- who endorsed Bill Clinton (news - web sites) in 1992, like so many conservatives -- was sure Mel Gibson's movie "The Passion of the Christ" would incite anti-Semitic violence. Thus far, the pogroms have failed to materialize.

With all the subtlety of a Mack truck, Safire called Gibson's movie a version of "the medieval 'passion play,' preserved in pre-Hitler Germany at Oberammergau, a source of the hatred of all Jews as 'Christ killers.'" (Certainly every Aryan Nation skinhead murderer I've ever met was also a devoted theater buff and "passion play" aficionado.)

The "passion play" has been put on in Germany since at least 1633. I guess 1633 would be "pre-Hitler." In addition, Moses walked the Earth "pre-Hitler." The wheel was invented "pre-Hitler." People ate soup "pre-Hitler." Referring to the passion play as "pre-Hitler" is a slightly fancier version of every adolescent's favorite argument: You're like Hitler!

Despite repeated suggestions from liberals -- including the in-house "conservative" and Clinton-supporter at the Times -- Hitler is not what happens when you gin up Christians. Like Timothy McVeigh (news - web sites), the Columbine killers and the editorial board of The New York Times, Hitler detested Christians.

Indeed, Hitler denounced Christianity as an "invention of the Jew" and vowed that the "organized lie (of Christianity) must be smashed" so that the state would "remain the absolute master." Interestingly, this was the approach of all the great mass murderers of the last century -- all of whom were atheists: Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot.

In the United States, more than 30 million babies have been killed by abortion since Roe v. Wade (news - web sites), vs. seven abortion providers killed. Yeah -- keep your eye on those Christians!

But according to liberals, it's Christianity that causes murder. (And don't get them started on Zionism.) Like their Muslim friends still harping about the Crusades, liberals won't "move on" from the Spanish Inquisition. In the entire 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition, about 30,000 people were killed. That's an average of less than 100 a year. Stalin knocked off that many kulaks before breakfast.

But Safire argues that viewers of "The Passion" will see the Jewish mob and think: "Who was responsible for this cruel humiliation? What villain deserves to be punished?"

Let's see: It was a Roman who ordered Christ's execution, and Romans who did all the flaying, taunting and crucifying. Perhaps Safire is indulging in his own negative stereotyping about Jews by assuming they simply viewed Romans as "the help."

But again I ask: Does anyone at the Times have the vaguest notion what Christianity is? (Besides people who go around putting up nativity scenes that have to be taken down by court order?) The religion that toppled the Roman Empire -- anyone?

Jesus' suffering and death is not a Hatfields-and-McCoys story demanding retaliation. The gist of the religion that transformed the world is: God's only son came to Earth to take the punishment we deserved.

If the Jews had somehow managed to block Jesus' crucifixion and He had died in old age of natural causes, there would be no salvation through Christ and no Christianity. Whatever possible responses there may be to that story, this is not one of them: Damn those Jews for being a part of God's plan to save my eternal soul!

Gibson didn't insert Jews into the story for some Machiavellian, racist reason. Christ was a Jew crucified by Romans at the request of other Jews in Jerusalem. I suppose if Gibson had moved the story to suburban Cleveland and portrayed Republican logging executives crucifying Christ, the left would calm down. But it simply didn't happen that way.

Of course, the original text is no excuse in Hollywood. The villains of Tom Clancy's book "The Sum of All Fears" were recently transformed from Muslim terrorists to neo-Nazis for the movie version. You wouldn't want to upset the little darlings. They might do something rash like slaughter 3,000 innocent American civilians in a single day. The only religion that can be constantly defamed and insulted is the one liberals pretend to be terrified of.


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Ann at her acerbic, on the money best!
1 posted on 03/10/2004 4:10:12 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy
Bump Ann. This is Ann at her best.
2 posted on 03/10/2004 4:13:18 PM PST by Lucky2 (Before I die, I want Bill and Hillary tried for treason and jailed (executed) for their crimess.)
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To: Pharmboy
Ann Coulter is right as usual.
3 posted on 03/10/2004 4:13:38 PM PST by Eva
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To: Pharmboy
What a talent!

In your face Safire!

4 posted on 03/10/2004 4:13:40 PM PST by don-o
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To: Pharmboy
Ann "The Blade" Coulter smites again.
5 posted on 03/10/2004 4:15:17 PM PST by VRW Conspirator (Indictments against tyranny cited in the Declaration of Independence - Over 27)
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To: Pharmboy
Perhaps Safire is indulging in his own negative stereotyping about Jews by assuming they simply viewed Romans as "the help."

"The help." I love that!

6 posted on 03/10/2004 4:15:22 PM PST by kstewskis ( "The Passion of The Christ" is here....and no I'm NOT giving up Mel for Lent!!)
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To: Pharmboy
How can one woman be so smokin' hot and sarcastic at the same time, it's just not fair. She's too perfect.
7 posted on 03/10/2004 4:15:38 PM PST by AreaMan
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To: Pharmboy
Safire has been a whore for 30 years. The first one to trash Nixon before any evidence was in!
8 posted on 03/10/2004 4:16:08 PM PST by international american
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To: All

A new picture of Ann

9 posted on 03/10/2004 4:16:30 PM PST by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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To: Pharmboy
The gist of the religion that transformed the world is: God's only son came to Earth to take the punishment we deserved.

If the Jews had somehow managed to block Jesus' crucifixion and He had died in old age of natural causes, there would be no salvation through Christ and no Christianity. Whatever possible responses there may be to that story, this is not one of them: Damn those Jews for being a part of God's plan to save my eternal soul!

Succinct on both points, and in her usual style.

Quite an enjoyable read, from my point of view.

10 posted on 03/10/2004 4:17:08 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Pharmboy
Ann at her acerbic, on the money best!

Ann Coulter is not a woman for all seasons. Acerbic doesn't work for me on this issue.

11 posted on 03/10/2004 4:17:26 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: Pharmboy

12 posted on 03/10/2004 4:17:54 PM PST by SAMWolf (NEW!! IMPROVED!!! E=MC^3)
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To: Lucky2
I loved this line:

If the Jews had somehow managed to block Jesus' crucifixion and He had died in old age of natural causes, there would be no salvation through Christ and no Christianity. Whatever possible responses there may be to that story, this is not one of them: Damn those Jews for being a part of God's plan to save my eternal soul!

13 posted on 03/10/2004 4:17:59 PM PST by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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To: Pharmboy
hands off fellas ;> She's with me!
14 posted on 03/10/2004 4:18:47 PM PST by KantianBurke (Arguments that got Arnold elected in 02, will get a "moderate" RINO elected to the White House in 08)
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To: Pharmboy
We have rules for a reason...


15 posted on 03/10/2004 4:19:14 PM PST by Hatteras
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To: Pharmboy
Happiness is reading Ann Coulter on Free Republic.
16 posted on 03/10/2004 4:19:47 PM PST by Uncle Hal
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To: Pharmboy
If the Jews had somehow managed to block Jesus' crucifixion and He had died in old age of natural causes, there would be no salvation through Christ and no Christianity.

Really? I find that hard to believe.
17 posted on 03/10/2004 4:19:54 PM PST by lelio
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To: NutCrackerBoy
Her rapier targets Safire, whom I think is VERY fair game here.
18 posted on 03/10/2004 4:20:02 PM PST by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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To: LurkerNoMore!
"Whom..."
19 posted on 03/10/2004 4:21:05 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: thefactor
ping!
20 posted on 03/10/2004 4:21:12 PM PST by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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To: Pharmboy
Of course, the original text is no excuse in Hollywood.

Never confuse a Liberal with facts. It's feelings that count! (And truth is relative, so it doesn't matter.)

21 posted on 03/10/2004 4:21:57 PM PST by irv
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To: Hatteras
In strict accordance with the FreeRepublic by laws,
paragraph 4, section 7, stating that, and I quote:
"any mention of our beloved Ann Coulter
must include her image", I offer the following
pictures for your exclusive viewing pleasure.






Carville really IS gollum.

22 posted on 03/10/2004 4:22:06 PM PST by ChadGore ("Maybe they thought Saddam would lose the next Iraqi election")
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To: Senator Pardek
Good catch--but Ann may not write the headlines (but she likely edits them).
23 posted on 03/10/2004 4:22:35 PM PST by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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To: Pharmboy
Bump, I love this woman. She is totally correct, it's not the Christians of the world who are doing all the killing.
24 posted on 03/10/2004 4:23:02 PM PST by Licensed-To-Carry (John 14:6 - 14:9)
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To: Pharmboy
You notice the liberals never hang around on these threads?
25 posted on 03/10/2004 4:23:38 PM PST by The Raven
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To: Pharmboy
"William Safire, The New York Times' in-house "conservative" -- who endorsed Bill Clinton....."

Thank you, again, Ann, for your service to mankind.

I'm glad to see someone calling the phony Safire out. He's a conservative like I'm really Miss America in drag.

26 posted on 03/10/2004 4:23:47 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: Pharmboy
Sorry Pharmboy, you know the rules; NO POSTING or mentioning Ann without the obligatory picture. This WILL go in your permanent record and you get two demerits!

I'm kidding about the demerits :-)

27 posted on 03/10/2004 4:24:39 PM PST by Condor51 ("Diplomacy without arms is like music without instruments." -- Frederick the Great)
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To: Pharmboy
She's amazing!
29 posted on 03/10/2004 4:25:47 PM PST by King Black Robe (With freedom of religion and speech now abridged, it is time to go after the press.)
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To: lelio
Yes really, that's exactly how Christianity works.
30 posted on 03/10/2004 4:27:24 PM PST by Licensed-To-Carry (John 14:6 - 14:9)
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To: Pharmboy
Ann is at it again - crucifying Liberals!
31 posted on 03/10/2004 4:31:18 PM PST by Gritty ("Despite Liberal suggestions, Hitler is not what happens when you gin up Christians-Ann Coulter)
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To: Pharmboy
Nice picture, Pharmboy.
32 posted on 03/10/2004 4:32:15 PM PST by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a Conservative)
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To: Licensed-To-Carry
Yes really, that's exactly how Christianity works.

Is there anything in the Bible that quotes God as saying "Unless they kill my son, forget about Jesus holding any special sort of reverence"?
33 posted on 03/10/2004 4:33:49 PM PST by lelio
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To: lelio
***Really? I find that hard to believe.***

About 40 years ago I read a Sci Fi short story about a man who tried to go back in time to rescue Jesus. The other scientists who had invented the time machine tried to stop him because they knew that Jesus had to die to save the souls of mankind.

I always thought that would make a good movie.

34 posted on 03/10/2004 4:33:51 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Pharmboy
A most excellent column!
35 posted on 03/10/2004 4:33:59 PM PST by anncoulteriscool
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To: Pharmboy
YEAH!!!...and she ends with a dangling preposition....I love it!
36 posted on 03/10/2004 4:34:17 PM PST by goodnesswins (The Democrat "Funeral" is on.....dum..dum..di...dum.)
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To: Pharmboy
Ann at her acerbic, on the money best!

Actually she seems not so unlike Shmuely Boteach to me in this opinion piece. I found nothing either of them wrote today inspiring.

37 posted on 03/10/2004 4:34:34 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Pharmboy
An awful lot of people have seen the movie. I missed the news about physical attacks on Jews as a result of Christians seeing this movie.
38 posted on 03/10/2004 4:39:34 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: Pharmboy
Her rapier targets Safire, whom I think is VERY fair game here.

I like William Safire, though I've been angry at him many times: it seems to happen particularly where his association with the New York Times is in evidence. He's absolutely fair game, in general.

Reading his (and Krauthammer's and Frum's) take on The Passion made me sad. There is a real divide here. I don't think Safire's take can be marginalized as simply the reaction of a faux-conservative, a New York Times useful idiot.

39 posted on 03/10/2004 4:39:43 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: lelio
Hebrews 9:22-10:10

"22 And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission. 23 Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another-- 26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.

5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me. 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You had no pleasure. 7 Then I said, 'Behold, I have come-- In the volume of the book it is written of Me-- To do Your will, O God.' " 8 Previously saying, "Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them" (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, "Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God." He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."
40 posted on 03/10/2004 4:40:28 PM PST by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: Pharmboy
Another masterpiece from the best columnist on earth.
42 posted on 03/10/2004 4:42:50 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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William Safire, The New York Times' in-house "conservative" -- who endorsed Bill Clinton (news - web sites) in 1992, like so many conservatives
43 posted on 03/10/2004 4:44:48 PM PST by Porterville (Play the cards you were dealt or crawl in a whole and die; Vote for Bush or go away.)
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To: lelio
Is there anything in the Bible that quotes God as saying "Unless they kill my son, forget about Jesus holding any special sort of reverence"?

Oh, special sort of reverence was certainly possible. But salvation? Nope, the Bible makes it pretty clear that that sacrifice had to be made for Man to be saved. Even a dumb agnostic like me can figure that out from reading the book.

Qwinn

45 posted on 03/10/2004 4:47:57 PM PST by Qwinn
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"The only religion that can be constantly defamed and insulted is the one liberals pretend to be terrified of."

They're not pretending. Many might not realize that they are afraid of it...but they are.

46 posted on 03/10/2004 4:48:04 PM PST by sweetliberty (To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it.")
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To: Eva
< andy rooney voice>

"'Ever notice how lib'rals can't make any rebuttal to Ann's words? They always have to attack her personally, calling her vicious names like right wing nut. I don't like that about her attackers and I think they should stop."

< /andy rooney voice>
47 posted on 03/10/2004 4:49:05 PM PST by HighWheeler (RATS hero is an impeached, dis-barred, lying, perjuring, cheating, lazy, cowardly sexual predator)
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To: VRW Conspirator
"Ann "The Blade" Coulter smites again."

"...and she cuts like a knife, and it feels soooooooo right!"

I wish I had the wit to say things the way she does... it's like that kung foo guy that has a gun aimed at him, snatches the gun away from the villian, dismantles it and toses it the parts, then chops the guy to a pulp with hands and feet.

48 posted on 03/10/2004 4:50:48 PM PST by KriegerGeist ("For the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly, but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds")
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To: international american
Safire has been a whore for 30 years. The first one to trash Nixon before any evidence was in!

Safire was a speech-writer for Nixon (and Agnew) before he joined the Times in 1973. In his NYT columns, he defended Nixon during the Watergate proceedings, and defended Nixon's actions as President for several years after Nixon's resignation.
49 posted on 03/10/2004 4:53:51 PM PST by eddiespaghetti (with the meatball eyes.)
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To: goodnesswins
"YEAH!!!...and she ends with a dangling preposition....I love it!"

Punch line from the classic joke:

"OK let me try again. Where's the library at M****rF****r?
50 posted on 03/10/2004 4:54:29 PM PST by HighWheeler (RATS hero is an impeached, dis-barred, lying, perjuring, cheating, lazy, cowardly sexual predator)
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