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Family of police shooting victim wants answers (Their title)
WPMI NBC15 Local News ^ | 3/11/2004 | Richard Allyn

Posted on 03/11/2004 5:37:54 AM PST by GrandEagle

(MOBILE, Ala.) Mar. 10 - A man is dead after Mobile police open fire in a crowded shopping center parking lot.

It started around 9:30 Wednesday morning in front of the Big K-Mart on Schillinger Road near Airport Boulevard.

Police say they were called because a man was driving erratically in the parking lot. When police arrived, 40-year-old Wayne Stewart was changing a tire. Officers say Stewart was bleeding and appeared very upset.

When they attempted to calm him down, police say Stewart pulled out a carpet-cutter and lunged towards them. It was then that two officers shot Stewart as many as eight times. Police say Stewart was upset about his recent break-up with his common-law wife.

But now, that woman is demanding justice: saying a small man with a box-cutter posed no threat to the officers.

“I want to know why this little man is dead,” Diane Stewart, who had been with Wayne Stewart for three and a half years, said. “Why they had to shoot him 1, 2 or even 8 times, I want to know."

Wednesday morning, Stewart pulled out a utility knife while he was being questioned by Mobile patrol officers outside the K-Mart on Schillinger Road.

Police say he appeared intoxicated. His common-law wife says he was taking valium, emotionally distraught after they separated five weeks ago.

When officers ordered him to stand down, police say he refused and lunged toward them. “The officers had their weapons drawn,” said Mobile Police Chief Sam Cochran. “At this point, they did fire shots, which turned out to be deadly shots.” Eight bullet casings were found at the scene, along with the box cutter.

Stewart’s common-law wife says she wants to know why officers used deadly force on her 118-pound husband, instead of a less lethal weapon.

Mobile's police chief says all officers are trained to use other, less lethal weapons, such as pepper spray and batons. Officers are also trained to use Tazer guns, but the force has only about 200 Tazer guns for a 500-plus man department. It's not certain whether the officers who shot Stewart Wednesday morning were equipped with Tazers. Chief Cochran says, “We want to determine if there were other methods that could have been used, utilized in the situation to alleviate the threat, other than the deadly force used."

For Stewart's family, answers can't come soon enough. ”It doesn't matter what problems we had, he didn’t deserve this,” a distraught Diane Stewart cries.

The two officers involved in the shooting have been placed on administrative leave. In the meantime, the police department's criminal investigation unit and internal affairs will conduct parallel investigations.

A key question to be answered before the two officers return to active duty is whether the use of lethal force in the department store's public parking lot was appropriate.

While the names of the officers have not been released, we do know one has been on the force for 11 months, the other less than two years.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crime; darwin; policeshooting; suicidebycop
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The deadly "utility knife".
For your comment...
1 posted on 03/11/2004 5:37:55 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle
If I shot someone eight times and claimed he'd lunged at me with a 'utility knife' (box cutter?), I'd be very suprised if more didn't happen to me than getting rewarded with a couple of weeks of paid time off.
2 posted on 03/11/2004 5:47:44 AM PST by zeugma (The Great Experiment is over.)
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To: GrandEagle
A man is dead after Mobile police open fire in a crowded shopping center parking lot.

Sensational TV news copy at its finest.

3 posted on 03/11/2004 5:52:44 AM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: zeugma
Yep, my thoughts exactly. My wife was there in the parking lot. She didn't see what happened before he got shot, but looked over when she heard the shots. There were two officers there at the scene. Both of them got shots at this guy.
I am normally very supportive of our law enforcement officers, but if two of them can't figure out how to disarm a small, drunk guy with a box cutter without shooting him eight times; we are in trouble.
4 posted on 03/11/2004 5:54:53 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle
But now, that woman is demanding justice: saying a small man with a box-cutter posed no threat to the officers.

If I take a utility knife or box cutter and cut about an inch deep into someone's throat, I guess there must be no real danger. Think Mohammed Atta.

5 posted on 03/11/2004 5:57:14 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: GrandEagle
Stewart pulled out a carpet-cutter and lunged towards them

Here's you answer: Dumb@$$ relative brought a carpet cutter to a gunfight with two cops. If breathing and heartbeat required conscious thought he'd a been dead long ago.

6 posted on 03/11/2004 5:58:15 AM PST by Feckless
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To: GrandEagle
Hey, police in my home town shot a man dead who was armed with a steak knife. The officers ween't within 20 feet of the guy, but they killed him. I guess the guy looked hungry.
7 posted on 03/11/2004 5:58:23 AM PST by WV Mountain Mama (I am the anti-soccor mom, hear my SUV roar!)
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To: newgeezer
Sensational TV news copy at its finest.

That is pretty much what happened. My wife thought he was a shoplifer or something when she drove up.

Here is a different version at www.wkrg.com
A different local news station

The Mobile Police Internal Affairs division is investigating a shooting death involving police officers. It happened Wednesday morning in the parking lot in front of the Big K Mart on Schillinger near Airport. Police say a man pulled a bladed weapon on two officers and at least one of the officers shot and killed the man. The dead man has not been identified. Police say they stopped to talk to him after shoppers reported he was driving recklessly.

A bit under stated here...
8 posted on 03/11/2004 6:00:10 AM PST by GrandEagle
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Just like much of the rest of society, police are corrupt, most aren't that bright, and few IMO have the necessary appropriate ability to make these judgements. I have other nightmare tales that would fill pages of personal and experiences of friends.

I pray that I never need the police for anything. I'll defend myself thanks! When the absolutely must get involved I just pray that they are not the corrupt and stupid ones. Zero respect here, sadly! But they make their own mess.

9 posted on 03/11/2004 6:01:01 AM PST by wingster
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To: GrandEagle
But now, that woman is demanding justice: saying a small man with a box-cutter posed no threat to the officers.

The 9/11 hijackers were armed only with utility knives. A razor sharp utility knife can easily cut someone's throat.

10 posted on 03/11/2004 6:02:10 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: 17th Miss Regt
If I take a utility knife or box cutter and cut about an inch deep into someone's throat, I guess there must be no real danger.
Come on now. The folks that were killed when we were attacked probably had no idea they were about to be killed or the guy would have never made it to the cockpit.
It is not like this was sneeking up on them or something. Do you honestly think that killing the guy is an appropiate first response?
11 posted on 03/11/2004 6:04:17 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: 17th Miss Regt
" If I take a utility knife or box cutter and cut about an inch deep into someone's throat, I guess there must be no real danger. Think Mohammed Atta "

Try thinking two armed police officers in a parking lot....not surprised untrained people in a enclosed tube ( aircraft). Lets add the fact the man is intoxicated or at least mentally confused. If they can't handle this situation without dropping 8 bullets into the guy somethig is wrong.

I've seen alot of post on police shootings here and if trained properly they shoot 2 in a group . With that in mind both officers would have shot assesed the threat and shot again 8 bullets. Looks extremly excessive to me.

12 posted on 03/11/2004 6:05:00 AM PST by Kakaze
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Right-O! The proper response when confronted with someone who is about to slash your face is to shoot them. The police acted wisely and in doing so probably saved other victims from this zipwad.
13 posted on 03/11/2004 6:06:24 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (France kicked Germany's teeth out at Verdun among other places.)
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To: Monterrosa-24
The police acted wisely and in doing so
No dispute that he was a bit stupid, but do you honestly believe that two officers pumping eight rounds into a small drunk guy is an appropiate first response?
14 posted on 03/11/2004 6:10:07 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: zeugma
Think "9/11".
15 posted on 03/11/2004 6:10:18 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: GrandEagle
Bullet proof vests are not knife proof. This guy was commiting "suicide by cop", who promptly obliged. I feel worse for them, they will question themselves and lose sleep for many, many years over this idiot.
16 posted on 03/11/2004 6:12:54 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Think "9/11"
Everyone keeps say this. If the people or flight attendants had thought for a minute that these guys were going to fly them into buildings, the box cutter would have been no match for any two of them.
Speaking as someone who flys from time to time I can guarantee you that anyone that jumps up with a box cutter will get his but kicked.
I don't think the comparison is anywhere near the same. These were two, armed, theoretically trained officers. All officers that I have seen around here carry pepper spray or some other substance. I find it very difficult to believe that folks here think that shooting the guy to death is even close to the correct first response.
You and I are usually on the "same side" of most discussions but I guess I'll have to respectfully disagree with you this time.
17 posted on 03/11/2004 6:18:40 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Bullet proof vests are not knife proof.
I understand this - I own one. I feel worse for them
As do I. I can't imagine how difficult this must be for them. I still think it was very poor judgement.
18 posted on 03/11/2004 6:22:05 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle
No dispute that he was a bit stupid, but do you honestly believe that two officers pumping eight rounds into a small drunk guy is an appropriate first response?


Well....He won't mess with them again!


Seriously though it's just another example of suicide by cop, nothing more, nothing less.
19 posted on 03/11/2004 6:24:47 AM PST by dagoofyfoot
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To: GrandEagle
If the people or flight attendants had thought for a minute that these guys were going to fly them into buildings, the box cutter would have been no match for any two of them.

Your premise is flawed. No one imagined what they were going to do until they did it. To most, it just seemed like a routine hijacking. Give them money and an escape to Cuba and they would all be released. There were several hijackers who knew what they were going to do and acted according to a well thought out plan. People in large numbers tend to act like sheep and do nothing.

20 posted on 03/11/2004 6:26:26 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Kakaze
Lets add the fact the man is intoxicated or at least mentally confused.

If he is high on PCP or something like that, eight rounds may be just enough to stop him. Or maybe not. He was not kind enough to submit to toxicological tests beforehand so the officers had to make a snap judgement. On a slightly different note, if he was sloshed, he should not have been near a vehicle. He would be a danger to all others on the road.

21 posted on 03/11/2004 6:34:22 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: 17th Miss Regt
Your premise is flawed.
It doesn't appear that way based on the flight that went down in Pennsylvania.

No one imagined what they were going to do until they did it. To most, it just seemed like a routine hijacking. Give them money and an escape to Cuba and they would all be released. There were several hijackers who knew what they were going to do and acted according to a well thought out plan.
Agreed. I believe this is consistent with my statement.

People in large numbers tend to act like sheep and do nothing.
Again, I would disagree based on the flight that went down in Pennsylvania when several people tried to take back control. They didn't figure out what was going on until after our enemies had control of the aircraft. I'll guarantee you it they would never get control of it that way again or even then if the passengers had known what was going on. As evidenced by - and I'm going by memory here - I think it was the "shoe bomber" the the passengers subdued.
22 posted on 03/11/2004 6:36:09 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle
As a former MP I can assure you that we would have the guy with carpet cutter down and handcuffed in about one minute. We had to wade into situations where fists, feet, knives, bar stools and beer bottles were flying. We worked as a team and jumped in and settled the matter without pulling our 45s and blasting away.

To assess a situation and use deadly force as the first option when presented with a threat is an indication of poor training. The guy with the knife should be sitting in a cell right now - maybe with a few body parts not feeling too well - not laying on a slab in the morgue. What these cops did is inexcusable.
23 posted on 03/11/2004 6:43:18 AM PST by sergeantdave (Gen. Custer wore an Arrowsmith shirt to his last property owner convention.)
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To: GrandEagle
That is pretty much what happened.

But, "A man is dead after Mobile police open fire in a crowded shopping center parking lot" sounds like the victim was an innocent bystander. It also sounds like a typical one-liner 'teaser' the news babe floats during the so-called "news break" to get viewers to tune in at 11.

Apparently, these news hounds figured it wouldn't be enough to say one or more cops shot a midget wielding a carpet knife; they decided to sensationalize it with even more "those dirty, rotten cops" rhetoric.

24 posted on 03/11/2004 6:43:26 AM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: Monterrosa-24
The proper response is usually to disarm the squirrel using your baton. Ever since I watched an undersized veteran cop disarm a huge drunk bowie knife waving bubba with two strokes of his stick, I have been dubious of the incidents where multiple cops gun down a obstreperous perp who waves an improvised weapon at 'em. These events illustrate the difference between the poseur and the professional.

These cops need to find a job more in line with their talents. "You want fries with that?"
25 posted on 03/11/2004 6:47:59 AM PST by Rifleman
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To: Kakaze
I agree with you. This is part of the "zero tolerance" mentality that pervades county governments at all levels: set a parameter and when the parameter is exceeded, apply the same (maximum) punishment no matter the specific circumstances. Then hold an investigation to show that you uniformly applied the punishment prescribed for the parameter that was exceeded. Very circular, very little thinking required to implement and execute.

Welcome to the one size fits all world of government policy.

The drunk upset man was stupid to pull a utility knife on the officers. Drunk upset men do things like that, routinely. These supposedly trained police officers have a "zero tolerance" mentality when it comes to using deadly force. They outnumbered him, were probably both bigger than him, he was drunk, they had guns and he had a utility knife, and the only solution they can come up with is to shot him eight times. Maybe "fear for their lives" made them shoot that many times. But I feel they felt empowered to kill him because he had fulfilled the deadly force parameter.

There are plenty of policemen that would have just shot him once in the leg to put him down then pinned his hand and stripped him of the utility knife before cuffing him and taking him to the emergency room (en route to jail).

This was clearly excessive. I hope they lose their jobs and face criminal charges.
26 posted on 03/11/2004 6:48:12 AM PST by Captain Rhino ("If you will just abandon logic, these things will make a lot more sense to you!")
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To: GrandEagle
Well Mr. Armchair, Maybe you view it as a small drunk man but I bet the police were confronted by a quick moving wirey guy. The police had also probably seen the results of knife fighting and knew a man with a knife can shred the man with a gun who hesitates or is too close. Who is responsible for the man's death? I would say it is clear that the idiot who threatened the police with a knife is responsible for his own wounds. As for the eight rounds from two pistols--that sounds like about a second and a half of shooting. Not much time for intellectual considerations but enough time to do the job of putting the armed man down.
27 posted on 03/11/2004 6:50:44 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (France kicked Germany's teeth out at Verdun among other places.)
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To: 17th Miss Regt
" If he is high on PCP or something like that, eight rounds may be just enough to stop him. Or maybe not. He was not kind enough to submit to toxicological tests beforehand so the officers had to make a snap judgement "

A well trained officer can or should be able to tell the difference between a man on PCP or drunk. The man lunging on PCP will come at him like a bull in a china shop, the drunk standing up with a carpet cutter more than likely fell or staggered there is a difference.

" if he was sloshed, he should not have been near a vehicle "

Can't argue he should not be driving, but he was stopped.......he shouldn't be dead.

28 posted on 03/11/2004 6:55:12 AM PST by Kakaze
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To: Blood of Tyrants
You're right about this. Boxcutters are NASTY! They'll cut right through clothes and everything else. They'll cut deep enough to open you carotid artery and you'll bleed to death in a couple of minutes.
29 posted on 03/11/2004 6:55:50 AM PST by dljordan
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To: GrandEagle
When they attempted to calm him down,

You! Changing your tire! Yes You!! CALM DOWN! NOW!!


30 posted on 03/11/2004 6:57:33 AM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: GrandEagle
Sounds like a situation for a tazer.
31 posted on 03/11/2004 7:00:35 AM PST by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: Captain Rhino
" Maybe "fear for their lives" made them shoot that many times. "

It'll be really interesting to see how experienced the officers were.

Poor training, because of a lack of funding or attrition seems to be pervasive now. I'd hate to think they would have to live with this do to inexperience or improper training.

32 posted on 03/11/2004 7:01:39 AM PST by Kakaze
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To: GrandEagle
I agree with what you have said regarding the Pennsy flight. For the other flights, what was going to happen was not yet known, so no action was taken. The Pennsy flight folks became aware via cell phones of what had happened at the WTC and then knew they had nothing to lose and everything to gain by regaining control. Also, they had a couple of people capable of quickly formulating a plan and carrying it out. Those two factors, foreknowledge and leadership, allowed the attempt to take place. As for the WTC flights, awareness of what would happen to the plane occurred only seconds before impact, too late to do anything. The people in the plane did not see the need to disarm the hijackers as they were not aware of the peril they were in.

As for your comment about an attempted hijacking being much less likely to succeed today because passengers would take action, I agree. We no longer have lack of awareness about what these scum will do.

33 posted on 03/11/2004 7:04:11 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: GrandEagle
We recently got tazers. Really good when they work. About a month ago some nut showed up on a guys porch with a large ax. Said he was going to kill the guy because he made fun of God. Our guys got there and sarge tazed him. Didn't completely work and the guy held onto the ax.

About a week ago some guy dragged one of our guys in a car for awhile and then there was a car chase. When they finally surrounded him they had to taze him. Didn't work. Barbs stuck in his coat and he was still able to fight.

I've seen what a box cutter can do to people. You wanna chance a tazer that doesn't work all the time? Or take a few zips across the face and throat by a razor?

Come at me with a razor and I'm emptying my full mag of .45, I don't care if he weighs 50 lbs.

34 posted on 03/11/2004 7:06:01 AM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Monterrosa-24
quick moving wirey guy
Not what the eye witnesses said.

Who is responsible for the man's death? I would say it is clear that the idiot who threatened the police with a knife
No dispute that he was an idiot. The officers definitely over responded also. These two are not mutually exclusive events like the news media, as well as (it appears) you will treat them.
I will agree with the of of the other posters that maybe the training that we afford our officers is inadequate.
I am certainly not one of those who believe that our officers have to put up with anything and that their weapon is simply for show.
However, as a society we define some rules. I am unwilling to say to those in authority that if anyone challenges you - even it they are wrong - you are justified in killing them as a first response. I will agree that under your set of rules we would probably have less crime, but I believe that we would have to give up way too much.

Well Mr. Armchair
Could indicate that you understand the weakness of your position.
35 posted on 03/11/2004 7:08:38 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle
I think it was Street Survival that used to show an autopsy of a cop stabbed to death with a table fork. I saw the pictures.
36 posted on 03/11/2004 7:11:02 AM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Kakaze
A well trained officer can or should be able to tell the difference between a man on PCP or drunk.Not so. There is a considerable amount of overlap in the visible signs of intoxication due to alcohol and PCP. Not all people behave the same way while intoxicated by either substance (or any other one, for that matter). Sometimes it is very hard to tell the difference. And a drunk coming at me with a knife is rightly regarded as a deadly threat just as much as a stoned person with a knife.
37 posted on 03/11/2004 7:11:19 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: GrandEagle
If the people had known they were going to be flown into a building and two or three of the passengers/crew had had guns, they would have simply shot and killed them. Would you argue that 10 unarmed men against 5 men armed with boxcutters SHOULDN'T use guns to protect their lives?

And then we would be back to where we are now.
38 posted on 03/11/2004 7:12:20 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: coloradan
HK model 93's? Anyway, any rational person does NOT pick up a boxcutter and make any type of threatening move at all towards an armed police officer.
39 posted on 03/11/2004 7:15:19 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Rifleman
" These events illustrate the difference between the poseur and the professional. These cops need to find a job more in line with their talents. "You want fries with that?""

Ditto. Unfortunately pros don't often want the job, because of the PC BS in place. A pro might have inflicted lumps, then he'd be charged with violating rights.

40 posted on 03/11/2004 7:18:00 AM PST by spunkets
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To: coloradan
What is up with the military look? These guys look like clowns with guns to me. Do you think they have full length mirrors in the locker room down at the armory?

Law and order are one thing, looking like special forces wanna-be's is quite another.

Reguardless I do support the 'thin blue line'.

Are those really 'Jack boots'?

41 posted on 03/11/2004 7:18:34 AM PST by glasseye
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To: GrandEagle
It is apparent that most of you do not understand how dangerous knives can be. It takes approximately 3 seconds for a person with a knife to reach a target 21 feet away. Real life is not Hollywood where armed thugs are disarmed without a shot being fired. Moreover, if you knew anything about guns you would know that it often takes more than one shot to stop a perpetrator. Especially a drunk emotionally disturbed one. I'm surprised that these good officers fired ONLY 8 SHOTS. Must of hit a vital area. If these officers did not use deadly physical force and decided to handle it 'the liberal way', they would have been seriously injured and possibly killed. It does not matter the size of the perp, he was emotionally disturbed. Got it, you Monday morning quarterbacks?
42 posted on 03/11/2004 7:23:12 AM PST by EAGLE7
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Would you argue that 10 unarmed men against 5 men armed with boxcutters SHOULDN'T use guns to protect their lives?
As usual you posed an interesting argument. No I wouldn't make that arguement. Your question made me ask myself why the difference?
I'll try and mak the case that the situation was dramatically different.
1)The officers had other options. 2)The guy wasn't trying to hijack K-Mart, or enec blow it up. 3)They were not at 35,000 feet with no room for error. 4)The passengers are not trained in disarmament of individuals. 5)The hijackers are at war with us. 6)There should be a difference between a police response and a military response. With the military, shoot first and ask questions later is more acceptable than a police action using the same mentality.
43 posted on 03/11/2004 7:23:35 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: EAGLE7
It is apparent that most of you do not understand how dangerous knives can be.
You very well could be right.

if you knew anything about guns you would know that it often takes more than one shot to stop a perpetrator.
I'm quite familiar with weapons. Your comment is especially true if they were carrying the standard 9mm. The .45 is my favorite.

I still think killing the guy as a first response was excessive.
44 posted on 03/11/2004 7:29:50 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle
As an ex-Dallas PD officer, any respectable officer that knows how to use their baton, or even fight for that matter, should have been able to deal with this efficiently without using deadly force...8 times????? Geez. ~sigh~

Hope they can live with what they did. It won't be as easy as you might think later on.

A well-conditioned young man picked up a 10 GAL jar of change [full!] during a family disturbance and raised it over his head and threatened to throw it at us. Did we frickin shoot him?? HEDOUBLEHOCKEYSTICKS NO! Could we have legally? Yes.

45 posted on 03/11/2004 7:30:35 AM PST by Indie (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.")
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To: EAGLE7
Had a bunch of computer problems for awhile and was away from FR. I see the song has remained the same, knee jerk, slam the cops threads still going strong.

Nice to see that some things never change.

46 posted on 03/11/2004 7:34:14 AM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: 17th Miss Regt; Cap'n Crunch; Sloth; Kakaze; coloradan; Monterrosa-24; Captain Rhino; Rifleman; ...
Thanks for your comments. Many of you have given me food for thought. Gotta get back to work --- for now.
47 posted on 03/11/2004 7:37:46 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: All; biblewonk
The moral of the story: "Never bring/swing a carpet knife to/in a gun fight" (especially when it's you vs. eight cops). Duh.

This reminds me of the local high-on-methamphetamine, disarmed punk "victim" who was recently shot dead by a LEO as the punk was attempting to drive off in the LEO's squad car. The LEO was deemed justified by some investigative body. The dead man's family remains p*ssed.

Sorry, folks but, I have nearly zero sympathy for a crazed, intoxicated idiot who tries something stupid within shooting range of an officer who's sworn to protect the citizens.

Do your drugs at home, and stay there. Otherwise, if anybody's going to end up dead, it had better be you.</rant>

48 posted on 03/11/2004 7:39:06 AM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: EAGLE7
The article says the guy was upset about the break up with his wife.

See! It's the womans fault! Always is. LOL

49 posted on 03/11/2004 7:39:19 AM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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Pepper spray for an emotionally disturbed man? That would have pissed him off even more. Think about it. This guy charges two cops who had their guns drawn. He was not going to give them a hug, he was determined to do them harm and he was obviously not sane. Before you criticize know what you're talking about.
50 posted on 03/11/2004 7:42:37 AM PST by EAGLE7
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