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Hillary Clinton Joins Americans For Gun Safety Foundation Campaign - 2ND AMENDMENT
NBC4 ^ | 3/11/04

Posted on 03/11/2004 8:32:31 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

Victims of domestic violence often don't get adequate protection from the criminal justice system when their abuser has a gun, advocates said Wednesday.

A gun control group and a domestic violence center claim many women are slipping through the cracks because judges and police officers don't pay enough attention to the risks a gun poses in a volatile domestic violence case.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., said Wednesday that the failure of officials to follow through on gun restrictions show "how difficult it is to get real protection out of a protective order."

Clinton joined the Americans for Gun Safety Foundation and the National Network Against Domestic Violence, which are trying to pressure local, state, and federal authorities to strictly enforce the gun restrictions on protective orders.

While there are no statistics to show how often non-enforcement of a gun restriction has resulted in a woman's death, other figures show a link between the two issues, according to the advocacy groups' review of federal crime statistics.

More than 600 women are murdered and thousands more menaced by abusers with guns, and nearly a third of all women killed in the United States in 2000 were killed by their current or former lovers. Guns were used in most of those homicides.

California had 236 such deaths between 1999 and 2001, the most of any state, said Matt Bennett of Americans for Gun Safety. But California is one of the few states to take steps to require protective orders are enforced, he said, becoming "a national model."

The California Alliance Against Domestic Violence and other advocates are beginning a yearlong "Safety and the Law" campaign to include brochures, materials provided to domestic violence advocates, lawyers, and law enforcement, and public service announcements on Lifetime Television featuring television stars Kelli Williams, Camryn Manheim and Lisa Gay Hamilton.

Clinton spoke at a press conference after Lavon Morris-Grant, a mother of three, described being shot in the head, thigh, and foot by her estranged husband, who then killed himself.

Morris-Grant, of Newburgh, N.Y., said it was important for officials to do more "to help other women avoid what happened to me."

Federal and some state law prohibits men with protective orders against them from possessing or transporting a gun, but those restrictions are often not closely followed, law enforcement officials say.

Sgt. Scott Gibson of the Alexandria, Va., police department said full enforcement of gun restrictions on protective orders is "the vast exception" around the country, and the entire process can be hamstrung by a hitch in paperwork.

"A lot of times domestic violence cases with guns aren't handled as strictly or as thoroughly as they should be," said Gibson, who handles domestic violence cases for his department.

"Guns in that type of volatile situation raise the lethality for everyone involved, including the police officers."

According to some estimates, more than 1 million protective orders are filed every year in the United States.

"There are so many opportunities for them to pile up on someone's desk -- a check on a small box will keep it from showing up in the right place, and then no one ever knows about it because it never makes it into any computer database," Gibson said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: bang; gun8control

1 posted on 03/11/2004 8:32:33 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
California has more than one third of the "abuser with a gun" murders, and they are a national model of gun restriction compliance? Right.

How often does a woman shoot her abusing husband? Anybody know?

This would have been good to include in the article, along with the times that a judge lets the murdering wife walk because it was justifiable homicide (and in many cases it was, IMO- it may be the only way out in some cases).

Looks like Hillary is going to be pushing for stricter enforcement of the Lautenberg Amendment. If they can eliminate 1 million gun owners per year, in a few hundred years there won't be any.
2 posted on 03/11/2004 8:40:13 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"Victims of domestic violence often don't get adequate protection from the criminal justice system when their abuser has a gun, advocates said Wednesday."

Especially when the victim is unarmed!!!

If I could make just ONE law, I would allow ANYONE over the age of 18 and menatlly stable to carry a 2 shot handgun anywhere. THAT would do a lot towards reducing crime and violence against women.

3 posted on 03/11/2004 8:40:17 AM PST by dixierat (Just a white boy lookin' for a place to do my thing....(Merle Haggard))
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To: dixierat
Wow! I'll vote for you (and buy stock in North American Arms!)
4 posted on 03/11/2004 8:41:22 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Hitlery has threatened me with her nasty words. Despite the 1st Admendment, I think that her mouth ought to be duct taped shut until this is settled in a court of law.

Who cares about the 1st Admendment. I feel threatened. You need to change the Constitution for me until the exception of the rule becomes the rule.

Blessings, Bobo
5 posted on 03/11/2004 8:43:41 AM PST by bobo1
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I didn't think it was possible to detest that woman any more than I already do, but I was wrong. Words fail me now.




6 posted on 03/11/2004 8:44:32 AM PST by NRA2BFree (The Socialists are in control of our Congress. It's time to clean house!!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
And not a peep about how many women use a firearm to protect themselves every year? Sad...

Kimber.... Number 1 in feminine protection.
7 posted on 03/11/2004 9:01:02 AM PST by nobody_knows (It's the national security, and future supreme court appointments STUPID!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
And not a peep about how many women use a firearm to protect themselves every year? Sad...

Kimber.... Number 1 in feminine protection.

8 posted on 03/11/2004 9:01:21 AM PST by nobody_knows (It's the national security, and future supreme court appointments STUPID!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Not to detract from the issue in the article, but I suspect orders of protection are misused in many divorces which may explain in part the lack of enforcement.
9 posted on 03/11/2004 9:05:51 AM PST by KEVLAR
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Maybe if I say I want to ride in the front of the Bus with a gun........then I could get my rights back.
10 posted on 03/11/2004 9:15:30 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: dixierat
"carry a 2 shot handgun anywhere"

Why only 2 shots? Doesn't that INFRINGE upon our 2nd?
11 posted on 03/11/2004 9:21:44 AM PST by Dixie Pirate
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To: bobo1
"Hitlery has threatened me with her nasty words"

Reminder: The 1st Amendment was put in place to allow citizens to speak out against the government without retribution. That doesn't mean anybody can run their yap about whatever they want, regardless of damages. Thomas Jefferson wrote, "Your right to swing your fist ends when it touches my nose".
12 posted on 03/11/2004 9:25:19 AM PST by Dixie Pirate
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To: Dixie Pirate
And the second admendment was meant for all the citizens of the United States without all the limitations being imposed by the statists in government. I was using satire, applying the same principles used against the 1st Admendment as it is used against the 2d.

"Thomas Jefferson wrote, "Your right to swing your fist ends when it touches my nose"."

And bobo didn't hit anyone in the nose, so what precisely is your point?

Blessings, Bobo

13 posted on 03/11/2004 9:32:21 AM PST by bobo1
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To: Dixie Pirate
ALL gun laws infringe on the 2nd, IMHO. In that light the only state truly in step with the US Constitution is Vermont.

IF we can't have TRUE and COMPLETE freedom, then a 2 shot handgun would be ideal. TOO small to be very effective as an offensive weapon (unless the victim is unarmed) but big enough to be a good deterent.

BUT, I still want us ALL to have the right to carry anything, anywhere.

14 posted on 03/11/2004 9:36:18 AM PST by dixierat (Just a white boy lookin' for a place to do my thing....(Merle Haggard))
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To: KEVLAR
... I suspect orders of protection are misused in many divorces which may explain in part the lack of enforcement

Bingo

15 posted on 03/11/2004 9:42:16 AM PST by paul51
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To: bobo1

16 posted on 03/11/2004 9:43:35 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: bobo1
"so what precisely is your point?"

Settle down, there, Bobo! That was not an attack on you. I posted that as a reminder to all. I did take your post in the correct context.

Steve
17 posted on 03/11/2004 9:44:45 AM PST by Dixie Pirate
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To: OXENinFLA
I hit the left button on my mouse and saved that. LOL!

Blessings, bobo.
18 posted on 03/11/2004 9:50:18 AM PST by bobo1
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To: Dixie Pirate
I am apparently not very bright. I understand the 1st
Admendment pretty well, even the Establishment of religion clause.

You responded this way:

"Reminder: The 1st Amendment was put in place to allow citizens to speak out against the government without retribution.

Bobo: I was comparing the way Lib's distort the 2d Admendment in contradiction with the 1st. The second admendment is there specifically to enforce the 1st and all others by the "government of the people, by the people and for the people".

I humbly request that you clarify further. Your friend,

Blessings, Bobo
19 posted on 03/11/2004 10:00:34 AM PST by bobo1
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Hellary says: "how difficult it is to get real protection out of a protective order."

No kidding Hellary. Just because one has a court order to keep someone away from you, it doesn't really offer one any real security if the perpetrator really wants to injure you. She should be supporting a CCW law is what she should be doing , instead of telling us how the laws on the books aren't effective! But what else can one expect from a Clintoon?

20 posted on 03/11/2004 10:24:01 AM PST by Pagey (Hillary Rotten is a Smug and Holier- than- Thou Socialist)
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To: NRA2BFree
"And we should--then every community in the country could then start doing major weapon sweeps and then destroying the weapons, not selling them." - President Bill Clinton.

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans to own firearms..." - President Bill Clinton, USA TODAY, March 11, 1993.

"I feel very strongly about it [the Brady Bill]. I think - I also associate myself with the other remarks of the Attorney General. I think it's the beginning. It's not the end of the process by any means." - President Bill Clinton, on the Brady Bill, August 11, 1993.

"You don't need an Uzi to go deer hunting, and you don't need an AK-47 to shoot skeet. They are military weapons, not meant for a day in the country and certainly not meant for a night on the street." - President Bill Clinton, April 6, 1998.

"If you know of any guns in your house or in the houses of your uncles, cousins, friends or neighbors, I want you to promise you will never, ever go near them. I want you to promise you will never, ever play with anybody who goes near them, and I want you to promise you will never, ever pick up a gun with any idea of using it against another person." - First Lady Hillary Clinton, at Valley Cottage Elementary School, March 3, 2000.

The Second Amendment - Commentaries

21 posted on 03/11/2004 10:48:19 AM PST by PsyOp (The commonwealth is theirs who hold the arms.... - Aristotle.)
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To: bobo1
"I humbly request that you clarify further."

I agree with your stance. I was not contradicting you, just adding to your intended meaning.

The libs construe "people" to mean waht they want it to at the time they need it to mean whatever. It's a lot like the Clintonian "IS" example.
22 posted on 03/11/2004 11:12:28 AM PST by Dixie Pirate
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To: paul51
In that light the only state truly in step with the US Constitution is Vermont.

I think Alaska also

23 posted on 03/11/2004 3:24:09 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Despise not the jester. Often he is the only one telling the truth)
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To: Oztrich Boy
I think Alaska also

Yup. Only two unrestricted. We have a lot of work to do

24 posted on 03/11/2004 3:37:22 PM PST by paul51
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