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TWO WITNESSES COULD END KERRY PRESIDENTIAL RUN -- "The Phoenix Project"
various sources | 3-12-04 | dfu

Posted on 03/12/2004 10:32:07 AM PST by doug from upland

THOMAS LIPSCOMB STORY

Reporter Thomas Lipscomb wrote the story which is linked above in the NY SUN. It has the potential to end the Kerry presdential run.

I had a great conversation with Lipscomb a short while ago. This story was too hot for some of the majors. But Lipscomb assured me it is well-sourced and is dead on.

Two witnesses have placed John Kerry at a Kansas City meeting of the hierarchy of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War in November of 1971. At that meeting, they actually took a vote about assassinating United States senators. It was called "The Phoenix Project" and was the brainchild of Scott Camil. Kerry spokesman David Wade has denied Kerry was at the meeting.

The two witnesses who place Kerry at the meeting are Terry Du-Bose and Randy Barnes. What is very interesting is that Barnes is a big Kerry supporter and the head of Missouri Vets for Kerry. As a supporter, Barnes would certainly not make up a story that would hurt his candidate. He told Lipscomb of Kerry's attendance at the meeting.

Think of the implications. If the mainsteam media and major news networks do their homework, they may discover that a man who wants to be president was at a meeting discussing the possiblity of assassinating United States senators. That is a conspiracy. Instead of the White House, does John Forbes Kerry belong in the Big House?

Get on the phone to newsrooms and shame them into covering this story. A major mainsteam journalist returned by email in about a half hour after I sent him info. He finds it "interesting." Let's see if pursues it. He is notable enough, that if he does the story, all hell will break loose in the presidential campaign.

Note: Lipscomb is not a right-wing ideologue. He did a recent story defending Kerry over his medals. He also recently did a story in which he went after George Bush's National Guard service. He told me that he expected to find a drunken rich kid with coke up his nose. Instead, he discovered that Bush actually did more than make up the meetings he had missed and he honorably fulfilled his duty. And Terry McAuliffe knows it.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 1971; 2004; barnes; darkplot; dubose; kansascity; kerry; phoenixproject; randybarnes; scottcamil; senators; thomaslipscomb; traitor; vvaw
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1 posted on 03/12/2004 10:32:08 AM PST by doug from upland
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To: jmstein7; Hon
Ping.
2 posted on 03/12/2004 10:32:34 AM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: doug from upland
WOW! MEGA BUMP

John Kerry

3 posted on 03/12/2004 10:33:55 AM PST by Ragirl (Vote in '04 ! Those who sit on their hands end up with poop on them.)
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To: doug from upland
If Kerry was there, and spoke against the plan, and resigned from the organization--all he has to do is say so.

Is he going to get caught in a lie when the truth would suffice?

4 posted on 03/12/2004 10:34:12 AM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: doug from upland
Bump to you Doug!
5 posted on 03/12/2004 10:34:46 AM PST by BobFromNJ
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To: doug from upland
BUMP!!!!
6 posted on 03/12/2004 10:35:05 AM PST by MasonGal
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To: doug from upland
Depends on how he voted at the meeting, I suppose.
7 posted on 03/12/2004 10:35:53 AM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: doug from upland
This is going nowhere.

Whether he was at the meeting or not, the press will portray it as him resigning from the group out of indignation that they would even discuss such a dastardly plan.

He'll come off looking better in the end. Bank on it.
8 posted on 03/12/2004 10:36:13 AM PST by Cousin Eddie
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To: doug from upland
How did Frankenstein vote?
9 posted on 03/12/2004 10:36:13 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: doug from upland
I don't want anyone else but Kerry to run against Bush.
10 posted on 03/12/2004 10:36:23 AM PST by TBall
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To: All

11 posted on 03/12/2004 10:37:01 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: doug from upland
Hillary has the tape.

She will leak it on October 5.

12 posted on 03/12/2004 10:37:33 AM PST by Jim Noble (Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!)
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To: doug from upland
"I committed atrocities. I am a war criminal. I conspired to assassinate US Senators. I did everything I could to weaken US intelligence. I did everything I could to weaken our military power. If elected President, I promise to back away from the War on Terror. I promise also to raise your taxes -- through the roof! I'd like your vote ..."
13 posted on 03/12/2004 10:37:38 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Diversity isn't about diversity)
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To: xm177e2
According to the witness, he voted against the plan and then resigned, orally. There is no evidence in writing of a resignation.

Yes, he voted "no." But if he attended that meeting, his very attendance was part of a conspiracy. If he wanted nothing to do with it, he had a duty to inform authorities about a potential plot to kill senators.

14 posted on 03/12/2004 10:37:43 AM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; Victoria Delsoul; PhilDragoo
ping
15 posted on 03/12/2004 10:37:58 AM PST by Professional Engineer (California refugee: Will FReep for food.)
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To: doug from upland
Nice work, Doug. Perhaps we'll hear you discuss this inmore detail with Hugh Hewitt later today.
16 posted on 03/12/2004 10:38:31 AM PST by glennaro
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To: xm177e2
If he was there, and NEVER spoke about the plan, isn't he is a co-conspirator..regardless of his position?

If you or I had done the same in 1971, we would still be in the pen. We'll, not me anyways, I was in diapers.
17 posted on 03/12/2004 10:39:05 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: doug from upland
he had a duty to inform authorities about a potential plot to kill senators.

As he had a duty to name names when he told the US Senate that he had witnessed war crimes in Vietnam.

18 posted on 03/12/2004 10:40:01 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Diversity isn't about diversity)
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To: TBall
I want Kerry to get the nomination. I do not want the " Wicked Witch" to be brought out and dusted off at the Convention. Leave Kerry alone. Plenty of time to plaster him after the nomination..
19 posted on 03/12/2004 10:40:04 AM PST by BooBoo1000
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To: glennaro
I hope Hugh returns my email and has him on.
20 posted on 03/12/2004 10:40:09 AM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: doug from upland
*bump*

This would be one of many centerpieces in a "JFK's Peace Activism" story. At the least, it'll keep him off-balance, even though the facts are 30 years old.

21 posted on 03/12/2004 10:40:13 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
Let the reporters start asking questions. It is time to put Kerry on the defensive. He should open the records and prove he was not there. Any mention of this is going to show how crazy the organization was. It will taint him badly. Hey, Terry McAwful, get ready to put some ice on it.
22 posted on 03/12/2004 10:42:09 AM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: BooBoo1000
I want Kerry to get the nomination. I do not want the " Wicked Witch" to be brought out and dusted off at the Convention.

Don't for a minute think that the DEM candidate for president can't change after the convention. There are NO absolute rules.

23 posted on 03/12/2004 10:42:10 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: doug from upland
"And Terry McAuliffe knows it"

So does everyone else in the dnc.....which is why the liberal pressholes willfully ignore the truth and toe the line, braying jackasses that they are.

One can only hope that this gets as far as FoxNews, but it's a thin hope.

24 posted on 03/12/2004 10:42:28 AM PST by kahoutek ((A conservative is a liberal who's been mugged))
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To: doug from upland
Bttt
25 posted on 03/12/2004 10:42:51 AM PST by DoctorMichael (What the %$#&!)
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To: doug from upland
See this thread also:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1080806/posts
26 posted on 03/12/2004 10:43:27 AM PST by omniscient
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To: doug from upland
Think of the implications. If the mainsteam media and major news networks do their homework...

You're trying to be funny here, right? This story will get the same airplay as clinton's trips to the Soviet Union or algore's college failures.

27 posted on 03/12/2004 10:44:07 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: doug from upland
Who's the crook and liar?
28 posted on 03/12/2004 10:44:24 AM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: doug from upland
There was a thread on this but I can't seem to find it.

AMENDMENT XIV

Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

Section 3.

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

29 posted on 03/12/2004 10:44:31 AM PST by OXENinFLA (KERRY KNEW HIS MIC WAS ON!!!!!!)
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To: doug from upland; StriperSniper; Mo1; Peach; Howlin; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; ...
MEGA PING!!!!


Freepmail me if you want on/off this ping list.

30 posted on 03/12/2004 10:45:03 AM PST by OXENinFLA (KERRY KNEW HIS MIC WAS ON!!!!!!)
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To: doug from upland
If the mainsteam media and major news networks do their homework, they may discover that a man who wants to be president was at a meeting discussing the possiblity of assassinating United States senators.

Giant, unmerited, and unprecedented IF bump!!
31 posted on 03/12/2004 10:45:18 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: xm177e2
If Kerry was there, he had an obligation to inform the authorities that a potential crime may take place. This may now be the second time that Kerry admitted to/or was part of, a criminal act.
32 posted on 03/12/2004 10:45:29 AM PST by cwb (Kerry: The only man who could make Bill Clinton look like a moderate)
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To: HitmanNY; doug from upland
Depends on how he voted at the meeting, I suppose.

And therein lies the "rub". If you don't nail these politicians down with a story they can't wriggle out of, it's pretty much useless in Presidential politics! (with all respect to you doug. You've done some impressive homework, and it clearly is another GOOD example of how much Kerry flip flops, and probably a good example of how quick he is to lie). But from the source mentioned in this article,

But according to the current head of Missouri Veterans for Kerry, Randy Barnes, Mr. Kerry,who was then 27,was at the meeting, voted against the plot, and then orally resigned from the organization.

Again, there's how J.F.Kerry is gonna get out of this. The fact that he originally lied about being at the meeting will be swept under the spun rug, as he'll admit to being there, but simply say as Barnes says that he voted against the plan, and promptly quit.

It won't matter to his supporters that he lied about being there in the first place. They'll just apologize for him by saying, "Oh, he has a lot on his mind, and just forgot about being there. Besides, also, John's such a good guy that he probably thought, 'there's no way I could be part of such a thing'".

Bottom line, an interesting tale, and really shows to those with a CLEAR mind what a shmuck he is, but for his supporters, since it's not 100%....etc.

GOOD job though doug, don't get me wrong. Keep up the good work.

33 posted on 03/12/2004 10:46:03 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: doug from upland
As I said a friend during a lunchtime conversation, we must hold our fire until Sen. Heinz is technically nominated or we will end up facing somebody else who's not such a target rich environment.
34 posted on 03/12/2004 10:46:47 AM PST by McGruff
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To: OXENinFLA
That clause relates to Congress, and the ability to serve in Congress. It says that Congress can seat the Representative or Senator if the issue comes up.

In short, this is a non-starter. Politically, Kerry will be damaged by his presidential run. He'll be outed as loopy.

35 posted on 03/12/2004 10:47:13 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: xm177e2
I think he already lied about being there-- to David Brinkley, I believe.
36 posted on 03/12/2004 10:47:24 AM PST by walden
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To: doug from upland; hchutch
Two witnesses have placed John Kerry at a Kansas City meeting of the hierarchy of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War in November of 1971. At that meeting, they actually took a vote about assassinating United States senators. It was called "The Phoenix Project" and was the brainchild of Scott Camil. Kerry spokesman David Wade has denied Kerry was at the meeting.

The moral bankruptcy of the left becomes stunningly obvious with the bolded sentence.

In a pluralistic society such as ours, you don't vote on the idea of political assassination. You place the a$$hole proposing it under citizen's arrest and call the police!

37 posted on 03/12/2004 10:47:31 AM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: xm177e2
I just read on another post a few moments ago that Kerry did just that, i.e., he voted "No" to the proposal, then resigned from the organization. Now, whether or not this is true is another question.
38 posted on 03/12/2004 10:47:43 AM PST by miele man
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To: miele man
It is time to find out the truth. Let this story rule the airwaves like the phony AWOL story.
39 posted on 03/12/2004 10:49:07 AM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: lodwick; Cuttnhorse; operation clinton cleanup; Servant of the 9; catpuppy; null and void; ...
A follow up ping
40 posted on 03/12/2004 10:49:21 AM PST by Mo1 (Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?)
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To: doug from upland
"Yes, he voted "no." But if he attended that meeting, his very attendance was part of a conspiracy. If he wanted nothing to do with it, he had a duty to inform authorities about a potential plot to kill senators."

You are quite correct on this point. This should be pursued.
41 posted on 03/12/2004 10:50:04 AM PST by miele man
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To: BooBoo1000
I do not want the " Wicked Witch" to be brought out and dusted off at the Convention

That is her plan though.

She knows better than to run in 2008 against incumbent VP Rice.
This year is her only chance.

42 posted on 03/12/2004 10:50:44 AM PST by ASA Vet ("Anyone who signed up after 11/28/97 is a newbie")
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To: doug from upland
I wanna know the entire list of senators. We have Tower and Helms. Who were the rest???????????????
43 posted on 03/12/2004 10:51:27 AM PST by petitfour
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To: miele man
This one won't go.
44 posted on 03/12/2004 10:51:50 AM PST by cajungirl (John Kerry has no botox and I have a bridge to sell you!)
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To: doug from upland
I certaintly find it easy to believe he was there, and I do believe he has engaged in an elaborate attempt to hide this fact. What i am not so certain about is whether a bunch of guys blowing off steam, then deciding to do nothing meets the standard for a conspiracy.

I certainly think that failure to report the instigator should disqualify Kerry for the presidency, and the cover-up just adds to the offence. Most interesting is the date alleged for the written resignation. A couple days before the meeting? That's too cute. Kerry obviously knew about the plan and wanted to make sure he could deny knowing about it.
45 posted on 03/12/2004 10:51:55 AM PST by js1138
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To: Cboldt; BooBoo1000
Don't for a minute think that the DEM candidate for president can't change after the convention. There are NO absolute rules.

Yes, that is known as "The Lousenberg Exception", the dims candidate can be replaced at any time until election day if his poll numbers are bad enough. :(

46 posted on 03/12/2004 10:52:14 AM PST by StriperSniper (Manuel Miranda - Whistleblower)
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To: Jim Noble; BooBoo1000
Hillary has the tape.

Make room at the covention for Hillary...
47 posted on 03/12/2004 10:53:07 AM PST by MaryFromMichigan (Michigan ROCKS! A petoskey stone is a good example)
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To: McGruff
we must hold our fire until Sen. Heinz is technically nominated ...

I agree with holding withering fire right now, because the election is 6 months from now, and because Kerry is shooting himself in the foot pretty well. But, I don't think the end of the DEM convention (which I assume is the event you consider as marking "technically nominated") necessarily marks the winner as the person who GWB will run against.

The DEM party holds to no rules, and will switch Kerry out in a heartbeat once it is prevailing belief (stoked by media propaganda) that Kerry cannot win.

See Toricelli/Lautenberg. Expand it to the presidential level. Either they get away with it, or there will be, ummmm, well, errrr, lots of angry Democrats. Use your imagination.

48 posted on 03/12/2004 10:53:45 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: OXENinFLA
I have a question for any legal types out there; who has standing under Amendment XIV to sue to prevent Kerry from assuming office under the United States? Assuming there is at least a defensible case he gave aid and comfort to the enemy, could I, as a citizen, bring suit? If not, who could?
49 posted on 03/12/2004 10:54:33 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: doug from upland
"The two witnesses who place Kerry at the meeting are Terry Du-Bose and Randy Barnes"

What's going to be the new name for Arkancide?
50 posted on 03/12/2004 10:58:17 AM PST by Rebelbase
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