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TWO WITNESSES COULD END KERRY PRESIDENTIAL RUN -- "The Phoenix Project"
various sources | 3-12-04 | dfu

Posted on 03/12/2004 10:32:07 AM PST by doug from upland

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To: cajungirl
"This one won't go."

Why? It may not effect his base support, but I think middle-America will find something disgusting about a man who was even a part of a group that would vote to assassinate American politicians. This will also lend more credence to the argument that the VVAW was more than just a dissenting organization...and was actively participating in undermining American security. At the very least, it is one more brick in the wall.

51 posted on 03/12/2004 11:00:18 AM PST by cwb (Kerry: The only man who could make Bill Clinton look like a moderate)
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To: doug from upland
Kerry was involved in a conspiracy to kill Senators
What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
52 posted on 03/12/2004 11:00:57 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: ClearCase_guy
"I committed atrocities. I am a war criminal. I conspired to assassinate US Senators. I did everything I could to weaken US intelligence. I did everything I could to weaken our military power. If elected President, I promise to back away from the War on Terror. I promise also to raise your taxes -- through the roof! I'd like your vote ..."

Don't forget:

J. F'n Kerry: "Also, I'm a democrat!"

45% of the sheeple: "You got my vote!"

53 posted on 03/12/2004 11:03:46 AM PST by nightdriver
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To: Mrs Zip; BOBWADE
ping
54 posted on 03/12/2004 11:03:59 AM PST by zip
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To: Cboldt
Thank you I didn't know that. I thought after a candidate secures the National Nomination, it was all over. I didn't realize they could change Candidates after the Convention.
55 posted on 03/12/2004 11:05:29 AM PST by BooBoo1000
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To: cwb
If Kerry was there, he had an obligation to inform the authorities that a potential crime may take place.

Your post raises an interesting possibility. Suppose, just suppose, that he did inform the authorities.

Suppose, in fact that was his job.

Bear with me, now.

Look at his background:

--Skull and Bones at Yale (primary recruiting ground for the intelligence community)

--A ridiculously brief, absurdly medaled, stint in Vietnam. It looks like the "fix was in" to get him all those medals.

--Then he returns home as a major player in the Vietnam Veterans against the war. He lies about atrocities, throws away phony medals. (Establishing his "bona fides" with the anti-war movement?)

--Remember that at that time both LBJ and Nixon were convinced that foreigners were funding the leftist groups and recruited FBI agents to infiltrate them. Why not use ex-military men to infiltrate the VVAW?

Perhaps that is Kerry's dirty little secret--that would freak out the leftists who support him big time.

If true--and if Hillary knows about it--the man will never make it past the convention.

Just a hypothesis--about a very strange man with a very strange history.
56 posted on 03/12/2004 11:09:49 AM PST by cgbg (traitor=benedict arnold=quisling=kerry?)
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To: doug from upland
If the mainsteam media and major news networks do their homework

Well, I'm not going to hold my breath for that one, Doug ;-)

Good stuff none-the-less.

57 posted on 03/12/2004 11:12:14 AM PST by Prodigal Son (Liberal ideas are deadlier than second hand smoke.)
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To: Professional Engineer
We can hope but you know the Press will either suppress it or the witnesses will be totally discredited.
58 posted on 03/12/2004 11:12:51 AM PST by SAMWolf (John Kerry is not indecisive and wishy-washy. He consistantly gives aid and comfort to our enemies.)
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To: Rebelbase
The new name for Arkancide . . . Massextinction
59 posted on 03/12/2004 11:12:56 AM PST by NorseWood
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To: All
Four years ago I was working on a novel that sadly went unfinished. The scenario may be playing out right before our eyes.

Hillary Clinton is preparing to take a coronation at the convention after Kerry falls. She has had to spend no money. There are no soundbites from other RAT candidates attacking her. She would only have to run a very short campaign. It is her dream scenario.

60 posted on 03/12/2004 11:12:58 AM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: doug from upland
btt
61 posted on 03/12/2004 11:13:19 AM PST by GailA (Millington Rally for America after action http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/872519/posts)
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To: doug from upland
I sent this info off to my local talk radio to read .. Not sure what will happen .. only time will tell
62 posted on 03/12/2004 11:16:16 AM PST by Mo1 (Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?)
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To: Mo1
Thanks.
63 posted on 03/12/2004 11:16:32 AM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: doug from upland
What's the backup position?
64 posted on 03/12/2004 11:17:10 AM PST by Old Professer
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To: BooBoo1000
I thought after a candidate secures the National Nomination, it was all over. I didn't realize they could change Candidates after the Convention.

As far as I know, 100% of the time, in the past, the candidates for the office of President were "cemented in" by the convention. There are, I'm sure, election laws that pertain to timing of announcing candidacy, etc. But the DEM party will obtain judicial exception, or just plain "do it," as they see fit to reach their goals.

See widow Carnahan (not on the ballot), Toricelli/Lautenburg (candidate change, no infirmity, AFTER the people selected Toricelli in a primary). My point is that it's a mistake to underestimate the depravity of politicians.

As a practical exercise, imagine what could happen if, 25 days before the general election, Kerry up and says, "I quit." Do you think the DEMs would settle for having no candidate? What would happen if they asked for a mulligan, and were told, tough noogie, your guy quit? I can't imagine how much anger that would create, and the anger would not be directed against Democrats.

65 posted on 03/12/2004 11:17:35 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: doug from upland
His "no" vote was probably a flip-flop from his earlier stance. Or he may have flip-flopped after the "no" vote. lol
66 posted on 03/12/2004 11:19:08 AM PST by fightin kentuckian
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To: cgbg
Interesting theory, but infiltrators are almost always low level quiet types. Kerry was a leader in the organization. He set the agenda. An infiltrator does not set agendas, they are paid to agree. So if Kerry were an infiltrator, he would have voted for the plot and then informed the powers that be. His vote against the plot and his leadership position in the movement is, IMO, strong evidence that he was not there as an "infiltrator." He was there as a plain-old-every-day "traitor."
67 posted on 03/12/2004 11:19:43 AM PST by P-Marlowe (Let your light so shine before men....)
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To: xm177e2
If Kerry was there, and spoke against the plan, and resigned from the organization--all he has to do is say so.

Wasn't he still a Reserve officer at the time?

If so, he was duty bound to report the conspiracy.

68 posted on 03/12/2004 11:21:31 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: doug from upland
There is a Quaker Action Group in PA that has stored documents from 1966-1971 that include "minutes, correspondence, memoranda, financial records, subject files (organizations), research files (topics), project files, newsletters, press releases, statements of Quaker yearly meetings in various cities, clippings, photographs and sound recordings."

One of the associated organizations listed on the website is VVAW. You might want to forward this lead on to someone who can do the footwork...the documents are not on-line. Might be something interesting in there, it even lists the library reference location of the material. From the website:

Box 9

Other organizations, correspondence with and material about: Vietnam Veterans Against the War - World Without War

69 posted on 03/12/2004 11:21:48 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: Rebelbase
Massassination?
70 posted on 03/12/2004 11:22:58 AM PST by katana
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To: doug from upland
Sometimes life is stranger then fiction.


(Not that your book would have been fiction.)
71 posted on 03/12/2004 11:24:41 AM PST by OXENinFLA (KERRY KNEW HIS MIC WAS ON!!!!!!)
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To: doug from upland
I have been thinking the very same thing (Hillary) even before you posted this ! Although, this story would have to be HUGH before it would get ANY air time at all ! If it were Bush, it would have been out already.

Having said that. I have a question...

I have wondered what would happen to ANY candidate running for the presidency, if they died, were killed, scandal stopped them, terminal illness...etc Before the election has taken place ? What does the Constitution say about this ? Is there another run by someone else? Does the runner-up take the helm ? Anyone know ?

72 posted on 03/12/2004 11:25:16 AM PST by Neenah ("It's Always Something!")
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To: katana
Massassination

DING DING DING........

We have a winner!

74 posted on 03/12/2004 11:25:25 AM PST by OXENinFLA (KERRY KNEW HIS MIC WAS ON!!!!!!)
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To: cgbg
Interesting. He does have a habit of being on both sides of an issue:)
75 posted on 03/12/2004 11:25:33 AM PST by cwb (Kerry: The only man who could make Bill Clinton look like a moderate)
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To: Rebelbase
Kerry doesn't have the machine to commit any type of Arkancide. If anything the timing of this leak seems to have the fingerprints of the Arkanciders on it. My tin-foil hat theory is that Hillary thinks she can beat Bush right now, so the plan is to destroy Kerry before the convention and try for a 2004 victory instead of waiting for 2008.

Let us remember that Hillary and company had posession of a lot of FBI files (which undoubtedly included the doings of Kerry in the 1970's) and was undoubtedly privy to this information when she was the co-president.

If the press runs with this story right now, then you can assume that it has the fingerprints of Hillary and Terry McCauliffe on it. Hillary is the only democrat right now who could gain from this information and this may be the opening salvo in a Draft-Hillary movement.

76 posted on 03/12/2004 11:27:11 AM PST by P-Marlowe (Let your light so shine before men....)
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To: Neenah
They clearly would have the right to pick another candidate, but I don't know what the Constitution says about it.
78 posted on 03/12/2004 11:32:01 AM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: doug from upland
bttt
79 posted on 03/12/2004 11:35:43 AM PST by jslade (People who are easily offended, OFFEND ME!)
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To: TBall
I was just thinking the same thing. I hope this is not so big that someone else gets the nomination.
80 posted on 03/12/2004 11:40:27 AM PST by firebrand
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To: Cboldt
"I want Kerry to get the nomination. I do not want the " Wicked Witch" to be brought out and dusted off at the Convention."

I would rather it be brought out now, so if Kerry goes down, there is plenty of time to deal with the new candidate. After the convention may be too late.
81 posted on 03/12/2004 11:42:32 AM PST by Lynne
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Y-A-W-N!!!

Yeah, right! If not Kerry, then Edwards? I'd rather have Kerry running. He won't win. Edwards might. Hillary won't either.

82 posted on 03/12/2004 11:44:55 AM PST by wingster
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To: doug from upland
If nothing else, his intimate and active participation in a group, over an extended period of time, that discussed and considered such plans shows that Kerry and his bunch were ready to go way outside the law in their zeal to stop the war. Hardly a good reference for a potential POTUS.
83 posted on 03/12/2004 11:45:38 AM PST by Sender ("This is the most important election in the history of the world." -DU)
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Are these the "two witnesses" spoken of in Revelation! LOL :D
84 posted on 03/12/2004 11:45:39 AM PST by wingster
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To: katana; Rebelbase
F'kincide?
85 posted on 03/12/2004 11:47:27 AM PST by Sender ("This is the most important election in the history of the world." -DU)
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To: doug from upland
Sorry if this is a repost:

EXCERPT

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061703.shtml

PART 3

With antiwar role, high visibility


By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff, 6/17/2003



Some Vietnam Veterans Against the War leaders also viewed Kerry as a power-grabbing elitist, a source of internal friction within the antiwar movement. "There was no question but that the rift existed," said Butler, who was with Kerry at the time and remains a close friend. "A wing of the VVAW were pushing so hard to the left that they were almost Maoist. Every time John did something useful like raise money or speak in front of the Foreign Relations Committee or give an interview, he was criticized for being a media whiz."


Scott Camil, a former group leader, said Kerry "was not as radical as some of the rest of us. He was a pretty straight shooter, and he came under criticism for things that weren't fair."


Still, Camil recalled that Kerry's patrician image was derided by others in the group, which was mostly composed of working-class veterans. Camil said Kerry showed up in ironed clothes, while most of the others were rumpled. Camil said a member had tried to reach Kerry by telephone and was told by someone, presumably a maid, that "Master Kerry is not at home." At the next meeting, someone hung a sign on Kerry's chair that said: "Free the Kerry Maid."


Kerry left the organization after about a year of participation and about five months after assuming a leadership role. Kerry says he quit partly to focus on a new organization that emphasized veterans' benefits; others say Kerry was forced out.


In fact, Kerry once again was thinking of running for the US House from Massachusetts. But unlike in 1970, when Kerry was barely known, the antiwar movement had turned him into a national figure and taught him how to campaign, how to organize, how to raise money, how to use the media, even how to debate on national television.


Kerry had battled the Viet Cong, the Nixon White House, and the extremes of the antiwar movement. Now all he had to do was persuade mostly working-class voters north of Boston to vote for him.

86 posted on 03/12/2004 11:51:28 AM PST by maggief
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To: doug from upland
"Think of the implications."

The only "implication" I can think of is Hillary Clinton! And I really don't think we want her in the race right now.
87 posted on 03/12/2004 11:52:55 AM PST by Maria S ("I will do whatever the Americans want…I saw what happened in Iraq, and I was afraid." Gaddafi, 9/03)
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To: doug from upland
That is a conspiracy. Instead of the White House, does John Forbes Kerry belong in the Big House?

That is a conspiracy. Instead of the_______________(political office) does _________________(name of "favorite" Massachusetts politician) of Massachusetts belong in the Big House?

88 posted on 03/12/2004 11:57:10 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Mo1; MeekOneGOP
Thanks, Mo, for the ping!

Hey MEEKIE!

Get over here and read this thread about Kerry and the Phonex Project!

Things could get really sticky for "Jean" Kerry! :O)

89 posted on 03/12/2004 11:59:30 AM PST by Pippin (Why is Jean Kerry wanting to be president of a country he despises?)
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To: cgbg
--A ridiculously brief, absurdly medaled, stint in Vietnam. It looks like the "fix was in" to get him all those medals.

Since the good senator has failed to produce the documentation that authorizes his cache of medals, I have serious doubt that he actually earned them. Earning five medals in four months, without missing a day of duty for wounds, is awfully fishy? Kerry can put this suspicion of mine, and probably tens of thousands of others, to rest simply by making public his military records (just as GW Bush did). Until then, I can only assume that Kerry grabbed a handfull of his buddies' medals in DC as they were throwing them onto a pile and does not have supporting documentation that they were earned. His reluctance to produce his military records, in itself, tells me that he has something to hide.....

90 posted on 03/12/2004 11:59:35 AM PST by eeriegeno
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To: miele man
That means he stayed in the meeting for the entire discussion and for the vote before he left and resigned.
91 posted on 03/12/2004 12:02:16 PM PST by savedbygrace
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To: Mo1
Dang.
Ouch.
92 posted on 03/12/2004 12:14:54 PM PST by Darksheare (Fortune for today: The penguins have taken over! THEY are our masters now!)
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To: Darksheare
I'm following you! HEE! HEE!
93 posted on 03/12/2004 12:40:11 PM PST by Pippin (Why is Jean Kerry wanting to be president of a country he despises?)
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To: Cousin Eddie
He'll come off looking better in the end. Bank on it.

Not unless he reported it to the Secret Service.

94 posted on 03/12/2004 12:40:35 PM PST by alnick (Kerry is like that or so a crack sausage.)
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To: Sender
I like Massassination
95 posted on 03/12/2004 12:42:14 PM PST by OXENinFLA (KERRY KNEW HIS MIC WAS ON!!!!!!)
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To: Pippin
This is going to be one heck of a ride this election.
96 posted on 03/12/2004 12:43:03 PM PST by Darksheare (Fortune for today: The penguins have taken over! THEY are our masters now!)
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To: doug from upland
U.S. Code
TITLE 18
PART I
CHAPTER 115
Sec. 2382. - Misprision of treason

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States and having knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, conceals and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is guilty of misprision of treason and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than seven years, or both

97 posted on 03/12/2004 12:43:24 PM PST by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: All
We don't want his run to end. Anyone they replace him with (aside from Dean) would surely be harder to beat.
98 posted on 03/12/2004 12:45:30 PM PST by Mr. Buzzcut
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To: doug from upland
Doug. Don't let go of this. You are onto something huge. I assume that all of the obvious have already been emailed this link: Drudge, Hannity, Rush, O'Reilly.

If Kerry was at this meeting, and discussed the assasination of US Senators, then whether or not he agreed or resigned (even in disgust), the fact that he didn't report this, then went on to serve with the very men that his friends wanted to kill, dooms his campaign. This is a career-ending injury.
99 posted on 03/12/2004 12:46:05 PM PST by bootyist-monk (5, 4, 3, 2, 1! Thunderbirds are go!)
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To: TBall
You have a good point. The RATS would have to come up with someone else, and we might be worse off.
100 posted on 03/12/2004 12:46:10 PM PST by hershey
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