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Rumsfeld Kept 9-11 Souvenir (ZOT!!! Staff to troll: your name fooled no one)
Associated Press ^ | Fri, Mar 12, 2004 | JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 03/12/2004 3:40:59 PM PST by ClintonHater

WASHINGTON - The Justice Department investigation that criticized FBI agents for taking souvenirs from the World Trade Center site also found that Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and a high-ranking FBI official kept items from the Sept. 11 attack scenes.

The final investigatory report said the Justice Department inspector general confirmed Rumsfeld "has a piece of the airplane that flew into the Pentagon." The Associated Press obtained a copy of the report Friday.

Investigators learned Rumsfeld had the airplane part after an FBI agent saw a television interview in which the defense secretary was "holding up pieces of building from the WTC and the Pentagon, saying he kept those items on his desk to remember the terrorist attacks."

A Pentagon spokesman did not immediately respond Friday afternoon for comment.

The Justice Department investigation also collected testimony that Pasquale D'Amuro, FBI Director Robert Mueller's executive assistant director for terrorism until last summer, asked a supervisory agent to "obtain a half dozen items from the WTC debris so the items could be given to dignitaries."

Six items that weren't evidence were gathered and sent to D'Amuro, the report said.

D'Amuro, now the head of the FBI's New York office, said that "he asked for a piece of the building as a memento" and that he was aware that agents had taken such items from other terrorist crime scenes over the years.

He said he got a piece of the building in June 2003 but denied asking for items for dignitaries. D'Amuro left the following month from FBI headquarters as Mueller's top terrorism official to become an assistant director in charge of the New York office.

Joe Valiquette, a spokesman for the New York FBI office, declined to comment Friday.

Surviving family members were surprised by the news.

"Unbelievable," said William Doyle, whose son died in the World Trade Center.

A New York woman suing local authorities for alleged negligence in the Sept. 11 attacks said any souvenir-taking by officials was part of a larger failure to keep enough items, like steel beams, as evidence.

"Everybody has things that they probably should not have from the World Trade Center site," said Sally Regenhard, whose firefighter son died in the towers. "I'm sure there's probably all kinds of people that have all kinds of artifacts."


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1 posted on 03/12/2004 3:40:59 PM PST by ClintonHater
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To: ClintonHater
Rumsfeld earned it the hard way. He was in the Pentagon when it was hit, and could easily have been one of the dead. He was also one of the first rescuers.


2 posted on 03/12/2004 3:44:02 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: ClintonHater; trussell; JoJo Gunn
*YAWN*

welcome to FR

3 posted on 03/12/2004 3:44:50 PM PST by EggsAckley (..................That black stuff is hurting us............................)
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To: ClintonHater
I hope I don't sound insensitive when I suggest that these "survivor families" need to STFU.
4 posted on 03/12/2004 3:44:54 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: ClintonHater
Since this is an AP story and they won't say it (they, it seems, are out to distort the news via misleading headlines) -

- I'll first cite what they wrote "he kept those items on his desk to remember the terrorist attacks" and then surmise that this is in an official capacity and not something he's going to sell later on e-bay for beer money ...

5 posted on 03/12/2004 3:46:17 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: ClintonHater
If they're going to go after Rumsfeld, can I turn my brother in for having pieces of the Murrah Building? Please?
6 posted on 03/12/2004 3:46:59 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Wait. So Kerry's the Dem. nominee? When did we start letting the French run for president?)
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To: Ichneumon
The poetry of d.h. rumsfeld

reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me,
because as we know
there are known knowns
there are things we know we know
we also know there are known unknowns
that is to say we know there are some things we do not know
but there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know

-Department of Defense briefing, 12 Feb 2002
7 posted on 03/12/2004 3:47:00 PM PST by Republicus2001
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To: ClintonHater
Boy, if THIS is the best caliber of stuff the DUmmies can troll with ...

I'd be a lot more concerned with a leadership that DIDN'T keep 9/11 in its mind at all times, than with one that strives to with such momentoes as are described in the story.
8 posted on 03/12/2004 4:19:27 PM PST by pogo101
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To: billorites
these "survivor families"

... are innnnnnnnterestingly, disproportionately (even allowing for the NYC-area's heavily Democratic bias) anti-Bush, eh?

9 posted on 03/12/2004 4:21:12 PM PST by pogo101
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To: ClintonHater
I'll bet you were similarly outraged when Clintoon staffers hawked rare presidential souvenirs taken from the White House on eBay.
10 posted on 03/12/2004 4:24:00 PM PST by martin_fierro (Right about now)
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To: ClintonHater
I think it's great that a man whose job it is to help save this country from terrorists, has a reminder right there in front of him daily of just how evil terrorist are! KEEPS THE FOCUS on saving us from tyranny and despots like saddam insane.

kerry is such a wuss that all he ever did in the "service" to this country was to MURDER a wounded Viet Cong soldier... a war crime by the way... you do know shooting wounded foes is illegal... don't you?

kerry IS the only man to run for the office of President of the U.S.A. who is an ADMITTED... and under oath to boot... MURDERER AND A WAR CRIMINAL.

BUSH is my choice and I stand with him.

As for the cowardly democRats... they lie down in the cesspool with kerry.

11 posted on 03/12/2004 4:35:52 PM PST by Lion in Winter
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To: ClintonHater
Umm.. *yawn*
Would you be the previous troll who used the name clintonhtr/h8r?
12 posted on 03/12/2004 4:48:58 PM PST by Darksheare (Fortune for today: Nothing like having your cat doubt the legitimacy of your parentage.)
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To: ClintonHater
You're too stupid to flame.
Perhaps if you showed more LIFE to you and more WORTH at flaming, I'd be HALF-BOTHERED to flame you properly.
As it sits, I'll merely say nasty things about your mother and how well she put the quarter I gave her last night to use.
13 posted on 03/12/2004 4:50:46 PM PST by Darksheare (Fortune for today: Nothing like having your cat doubt the legitimacy of your parentage.)
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To: ClintonHater
LOL! Nothing beats a good ZOT!
14 posted on 03/12/2004 4:54:01 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Space Available for Rent or Lease by the Day, Week, or Month. Reasonable Rates. Inquire within.)
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To: billorites
May this insensitive person join in your sentiment.......
15 posted on 03/12/2004 5:20:42 PM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: ClintonHater

Run dog!
16 posted on 03/12/2004 5:22:22 PM PST by Spruce
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To: ClintonHater
I guess this means Kerry will 'fess up on his VC ear collection now.

17 posted on 03/12/2004 5:23:56 PM PST by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper
I have a little container of the ash from Mt. St. Helens, and a ashtray made from the lava when Mt. Vesuvus erupted in 1944.

I also remember hearing the story that a fan of John Waynes gave him a piece of the USS Arizona. His dad was stationed on her when she was attacked.After his dad's death, he told John Wayne he wanted him to have it. Wayne said he prized it more than any other gift he ever got from a fan.

18 posted on 03/12/2004 5:28:26 PM PST by mware
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To: martin_fierro
The Clintons' IRS returns showed she took tax deductions during the 1980s for donating her husband's used underwear to charity.

LOL maybe she should have sold them on ebay!
19 posted on 03/12/2004 5:28:51 PM PST by visualops (Two Wrongs don't make a right- they make the Democratic Ticket for 2004!)
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To: ClintonHater
So what....i am sitting here lookong at 3 pieces of granite from the federal bldg in OKC...
20 posted on 03/12/2004 5:30:03 PM PST by is_is
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To: ClintonHater
If no evidence is taken from a crime scene, what is the big fluffin' deal?
21 posted on 03/12/2004 5:35:33 PM PST by GretchenEE (Osama, you're going down.)
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To: ClintonHater
I saw your thread at DU....what a pathetic bunch of loosers you guys are.... no one mentioned that Rumsfeld was there when the plane hit. Find something else to whine about
22 posted on 03/12/2004 5:36:04 PM PST by woofie ( 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.)
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To: Fiddlstix; All

"HERE'S MY PIECE OF THE PENTAGON, BUSTER...ZOT ZOT ZOT"
23 posted on 03/12/2004 5:39:35 PM PST by NewLand (PRESIDENT BUSH...YOU KNOW WHERE HE STANDS!)
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To: ClintonHater; Zavien Doombringer; 4mycountry; Constitution Day; VRWCmember; Poohbah; dighton; ...
Whack-A-Troll!
24 posted on 03/12/2004 5:41:12 PM PST by mhking
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To: ClintonHater
Sadly, Drudge has it as HIS headline right now. What is wrong with him?
26 posted on 03/12/2004 5:43:49 PM PST by Rightone
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To: ClintonHater
I have a piece of the Berlin Wall on my desk as a souvenir. Does that make me evil?

-PJ

27 posted on 03/12/2004 5:53:50 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: LindaSOG
Love your ZOT graphic
(I'm gonna steal it. LOL)
28 posted on 03/12/2004 6:00:46 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Space Available for Rent or Lease by the Day, Week, or Month. Reasonable Rates. Inquire within.)
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To: mhking
oooo!
friday night's all right for eviscerating...
29 posted on 03/12/2004 6:20:36 PM PST by King Prout (I am coming to think that the tree of liberty is presently dying of thirst.)
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To: mhking; ClintonHater; 4mycountry; Fierce Allegiance; TheBigB; VRWCmember; Zavien Doombringer; ...
Viking Kittens - Led Zeppelin - Immigrant Song


It's dead, Jim.


30 posted on 03/12/2004 6:25:30 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (The Democrats say they believe in CHOICE. I have chosen to vote STRAIGHT TICKET GOP for years !!)
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To: Darksheare
UserID "clintonh8r" is still active as of this writing.
I guess that "bronx zoo" comment was not enough to cause a total ZOT.
31 posted on 03/12/2004 6:30:12 PM PST by King Prout (I am coming to think that the tree of liberty is presently dying of thirst.)
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To: ClintonHater
BFD, troll. STFU
32 posted on 03/12/2004 6:32:15 PM PST by King Prout (I am coming to think that the tree of liberty is presently dying of thirst.)
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To: ClintonHater

33 posted on 03/12/2004 6:34:18 PM PST by ChadGore ("Maybe they thought Saddam would lose the next Iraqi election")
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To: doublestandards
Another new one!!!! Hello!!!


35 posted on 03/12/2004 8:29:03 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (You need tons click "co-ordinating")
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To: doublestandards
Welcome! Lots of new people lately.
37 posted on 03/12/2004 8:31:51 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (You need tons click "co-ordinating")
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To: Political Junkie Too
I have a piece of the Berlin Wall on my desk as a souvenir. Does that make me evil?

Sure hope not 'cause we have a piece of it too. I want my daughter to pass it down.

38 posted on 03/12/2004 8:31:58 PM PST by Samwise (I am going to need to be sedated before this election is over.)
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To: MeekOneGOP
DARN!! I missed another one. *weeps* This is so unfair. I want designated comp time.
39 posted on 03/12/2004 8:32:39 PM PST by 4mycountry ("Completely concretely" - - That's "the power of the 'Freeper'.")
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To: doublestandards
Yes you are right. Kerry should be prosecuted for treason.
40 posted on 03/12/2004 8:34:55 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: doublestandards
No double standard here. If I lived in New York, I'd want a piece of the Trade Center. Had I been at Pearl Harbor, I would want something from that infamous day too.

A lot of us are history buffs. We like reading about it and we learn from the accounts. But there is absolutely nothing like touching a piece of history to make it real for you.

As for 9/11, I want to remember what I felt like that day. I want everyone to remember because I don't ever want to feel that way again.

If a little chunk of history helps Rumsfield stay focused, so be it. He's got a lot on his plate and Lord knows he needs all the help he can get.
41 posted on 03/12/2004 8:39:39 PM PST by Samwise (I am going to need to be sedated before this election is over.)
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To: doublestandards
Shouldn't the rules apply to everyone equally?

Is he selling it in e-bay for beer money?

42 posted on 03/12/2004 8:41:03 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: doublestandards
Which gov't program(s) are u on and does Moby touch your privates with his bald head?
43 posted on 03/12/2004 8:46:14 PM PST by Mr. Buzzcut
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To: _Jim
Our "secretary of defense" needs an artifact from 911 on his desk to remind him of 911?
44 posted on 03/12/2004 8:49:12 PM PST by takenoprisoner (illegally posting on an expired tag)
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To: doublestandards
"I'm amazed at how many people here see nothing wrong with Rumsfeld taking a piece of the plane while others are [b]criminally[/b] charged for doing similar things at the WTC site. Shouldn't the rules apply to everyone equally?

OK, let's examine the facts, shall we? [We all know that the facts are something in short supply over at DU....]

FACT: Rumsfeld is the Secretary of Defense

FACT: Rumsfeld was physically at the Pentagon meeting with top military leaders about the developing situation in NYC when the Pentagon itself was attacked.

FACT: Immediately after the attack, Rumsfeld and his staff went to survey the on site situation and assited in the initial rescue efforts. They did this despite the risk to their personal safety and to the objections of other staff members.

FACT: In the days after 9/11, Rumsfeld carried out his orders to plan, coordinate and execute military operations against OBL and Taliban forces in Afghanistan.

FACT: As part of that deployment of forces, military units were presented with a few token artifacts from all three attack sites. If I recall correctly, one of the flags found at Ground Zero was sent to Afghanistan just as an example. NYC Fireman send over numerous personal items to remind the troops what this fight was all about.

I would now like to address your comment about civilians being criminally charged for taking items from the WTC site. Yes, IMHO, they should have been charged. If there was no enforcement, then anyone and everyone would have been down there taking momentos from Ground Zero, thus resulting in a potential loss of evidence and study.

I could go on and on, but I hope by now you get the point. These folks were tasked with the ulimate mission of taking the fight to our enemy -- our first response to the start of World War III. If the tables were turned and the Secretary of Defense had been a Democrat, I would feel the same way. It's not like he collected souvenirs to sell on eBay!
45 posted on 03/12/2004 8:50:48 PM PST by Skywarner (Enjoying freedom? Thank a Veteran!)
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To: _Jim
"Is he selling it in e-bay for beer money?"

No but his beneficiaries in later years just might. The point is he has no right to artifacts. And if he needs some to remind him, then were all in major trouble.
46 posted on 03/12/2004 8:54:59 PM PST by takenoprisoner (illegally posting on an expired tag)
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To: takenoprisoner
"Our "secretary of defense" needs an artifact from 911 on his desk to remind him of 911?"

As another freeper explained here

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1096690/posts?page=10#10

It's human nature.
47 posted on 03/12/2004 8:56:12 PM PST by Samwise (I am going to need to be sedated before this election is over.)
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To: takenoprisoner
Our "secretary of defense" needs an artifact from 911 on his desk to remind him of 911?

Does he, or does he not, receive visitors, including the public and congressman from time to time?

Do you think has Kerry forgotten?

How many of us keep artifacts and photos to remind us of both good and bad events, successes - and even a failure or two - do these things not help us to frame our thoughts, our thinking, as we contemplate any decisions, large or small, as we go forward?

48 posted on 03/12/2004 8:56:14 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: takenoprisoner
No but his beneficiaries in later years just might.

TOOOOOO funny!

My bet is that it stays in the office - stays in the Pentagon ...

49 posted on 03/12/2004 8:57:39 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: _Jim
Do you think has Kerry forgotten?

How did I blow that question? Change to:

Do you think Kerry has forgotten?

50 posted on 03/12/2004 8:59:06 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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