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Rumsfeld Kept 9-11 Souvenir (ZOT!!! Staff to troll: your name fooled no one)
Associated Press ^ | Fri, Mar 12, 2004 | JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 03/12/2004 3:40:59 PM PST by ClintonHater

WASHINGTON - The Justice Department investigation that criticized FBI agents for taking souvenirs from the World Trade Center site also found that Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and a high-ranking FBI official kept items from the Sept. 11 attack scenes.

The final investigatory report said the Justice Department inspector general confirmed Rumsfeld "has a piece of the airplane that flew into the Pentagon." The Associated Press obtained a copy of the report Friday.

Investigators learned Rumsfeld had the airplane part after an FBI agent saw a television interview in which the defense secretary was "holding up pieces of building from the WTC and the Pentagon, saying he kept those items on his desk to remember the terrorist attacks."

A Pentagon spokesman did not immediately respond Friday afternoon for comment.

The Justice Department investigation also collected testimony that Pasquale D'Amuro, FBI Director Robert Mueller's executive assistant director for terrorism until last summer, asked a supervisory agent to "obtain a half dozen items from the WTC debris so the items could be given to dignitaries."

Six items that weren't evidence were gathered and sent to D'Amuro, the report said.

D'Amuro, now the head of the FBI's New York office, said that "he asked for a piece of the building as a memento" and that he was aware that agents had taken such items from other terrorist crime scenes over the years.

He said he got a piece of the building in June 2003 but denied asking for items for dignitaries. D'Amuro left the following month from FBI headquarters as Mueller's top terrorism official to become an assistant director in charge of the New York office.

Joe Valiquette, a spokesman for the New York FBI office, declined to comment Friday.

Surviving family members were surprised by the news.

"Unbelievable," said William Doyle, whose son died in the World Trade Center.

A New York woman suing local authorities for alleged negligence in the Sept. 11 attacks said any souvenir-taking by officials was part of a larger failure to keep enough items, like steel beams, as evidence.

"Everybody has things that they probably should not have from the World Trade Center site," said Sally Regenhard, whose firefighter son died in the towers. "I'm sure there's probably all kinds of people that have all kinds of artifacts."


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To: Samwise
I lost my cousin in a car crash. Think I want any part of that car as a momento? a souvenier?

No I don't and that's my human nature. So I don't understand
this need to get close with a washer.
51 posted on 03/12/2004 9:00:52 PM PST by takenoprisoner (illegally posting on an expired tag)
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To: ClintonHater
I have a piece of rock I picked up at Dachau.

It's important to remember what Nationalist Socialism leads to.

52 posted on 03/12/2004 9:00:58 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: doublestandards
Shouldn't the rules apply to everyone equally?

If the rules they make were applied equally they'd have to change the rules.

53 posted on 03/12/2004 9:04:24 PM PST by lewislynn (Free traders know it isn't , they just believe cheap popcorn makers raises their living standards.)
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To: takenoprisoner
I lost my uncle to a murderer. I cherish with all my heart the badge he was wearing when he died.

Just because you don't understand someone else's feelings doesn't make their feelings wrong.
54 posted on 03/12/2004 9:04:39 PM PST by Samwise (I am going to need to be sedated before this election is over.)
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To: takenoprisoner
So you deal with things differently.  BFD.

Stop baiting.

 

55 posted on 03/12/2004 9:07:00 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Now who's baiting?
56 posted on 03/12/2004 9:07:58 PM PST by takenoprisoner (illegally posting on an expired tag)
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To: Samwise
Cherish it as you will. But surely you don't need it to remind you of him do you? Do you bring it out at dinner parties to show your friends? Like you have done here for example? If so, my human nature believes you are dishonoring your uncle.
57 posted on 03/12/2004 9:16:40 PM PST by takenoprisoner (illegally posting on an expired tag)
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To: Samwise
I have pictures and a piece of a mined landing craft from D-Day at Normandy 6/6/44--tried to get an air cooled .30 cal machine gun a few days later but was too large for my duffle bag--am I in trouble like Rumsfield??---tell that 'piece of craps to STFU and go back to raving about the brave killer of wounded enemies who got a medal for it--you know who--John F'g Kerry aka ketchup boy-
58 posted on 03/12/2004 9:17:19 PM PST by cmotormac44
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To: Psycho_Bunny
You are correct. He is just baiting.
59 posted on 03/12/2004 9:19:57 PM PST by Samwise (I am going to need to be sedated before this election is over.)
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To: takenoprisoner
Cherish it as you will. But surely you don't need it to remind you of him do you? Do you bring it out at dinner parties to show your friends? Like you have done here for example? If so, my human nature believes you are dishonoring your uncle.

You're almost taking this personally. Why are you so aggressively arguing with other people's values?

60 posted on 03/12/2004 9:20:38 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (You need tons click "co-ordinating")
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To: All
I guess the city of Charlotte, NC, (and probably a whole lot of others) should be in trouble, too. It was just confirmed this week by a local talk radio host that there is, indeed, a steel girder from the WTC that was obtained by the city and is on display as a memorial.

Now the big question is whether we jail the mayor, the City Council, the City Manager, or the whole populace for this outrage.

61 posted on 03/12/2004 9:21:13 PM PST by kayak (Medals do not make a man. Morals do.)
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To: kayak
When are we going to see a "Free The Steel Girder" march on Charlotte?
62 posted on 03/12/2004 9:22:01 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (You need tons click "co-ordinating")
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To: _Jim
Things like family photos and other similar type family memorbilia are naturally worth keeping. But these things are only worthy to ourselves and no one else. But artifacts from events like 911 are a whole nother matter. If it ain't evidence, then it needs to be destroyed.
63 posted on 03/12/2004 9:26:36 PM PST by takenoprisoner (illegally posting on an expired tag)
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To: _Jim
"Do you think Kerry has forgotten? "

Kerry believes that Bush exaggerates the threat of terrorism. So no, I don't think he ever heard of 911.
64 posted on 03/12/2004 9:29:17 PM PST by takenoprisoner (illegally posting on an expired tag)
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To: takenoprisoner
If it ain't evidence, then it needs to be destroyed

Why?
65 posted on 03/12/2004 9:31:31 PM PST by Spruce (revolvemonos)
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To: All
Oh my God... Drudge has this as his main headline now?

Um, guys, you know what? I've been thinking this for a while, and it's about time I came clean. I don't think Drudge is even remotely conservative. I have never read anything on his site that makes me think he is. At best, he's an equal opportunity smearer, and 9 times out of 10 when he's smeared the Democrats it's been more embarassing or damaging to Republicans than to Democrats.

Course, I think the same about O'Reilly. To me, the funniest thing to do is watch how they hate each other... war of the RINO's.

Quite frankly, I think Drudge deserves a Zot.

Qwinn
66 posted on 03/12/2004 9:34:38 PM PST by Qwinn
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To: kayak
just honor your tag line
67 posted on 03/12/2004 9:35:28 PM PST by takenoprisoner (illegally posting on an expired tag)
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To: Spruce
Because in the now and in the future these artifacts will be bought and sold. Somehow, there's something about my human nature that tells me this is/would be a disgrace to those we lost.
68 posted on 03/12/2004 9:40:44 PM PST by takenoprisoner (illegally posting on an expired tag)
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To: takenoprisoner
But many will use these artifacts properly. Do not be so hasty to paint such broad strokes.
69 posted on 03/12/2004 9:46:56 PM PST by Spruce (revolvemonos)
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To: Qwinn
ummm...you know what? I've been thinking the same thing about Drudge - been wondering why the media calls it a conservative website.
70 posted on 03/12/2004 9:47:04 PM PST by daybreakcoming
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To: Spruce; _Jim
Imagine muhammed hakim alshada over in terror land wants one for his desk. Imagine muhammed hakim alshada has millions to spend for an artifact. Can he get one?
71 posted on 03/12/2004 9:47:47 PM PST by takenoprisoner (illegally posting on an expired tag)
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To: daybreakcoming
"been wondering why the media calls it a conservative website"

Well, I did grant that he was an equal opportunity smearer... which compared to the mainstream media IS conservative. With them, the smears go only one way.

Qwinn
72 posted on 03/12/2004 9:51:17 PM PST by Qwinn
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To: takenoprisoner
No, Einstein, it makes a good paper-weight. Duh.
73 posted on 03/12/2004 9:57:58 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Spruce
Proper use? Now what is proper? A girder of steel from one of the buildings planted in downtown Charlotte?

Let the record show that a memorial is being built on location to remind us all and all future generations.
74 posted on 03/12/2004 9:58:22 PM PST by takenoprisoner (illegally posting on an expired tag)
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To: 1rudeboy
Indeed a boy and certainly rude.
75 posted on 03/12/2004 10:02:30 PM PST by takenoprisoner (illegally posting on an expired tag)
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To: takenoprisoner
But not dumb. [hint]
76 posted on 03/12/2004 10:04:02 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
"Indeed and boy and certainly rude."

"But not dumb. [hint]"


Who said I was finished?
77 posted on 03/12/2004 10:08:10 PM PST by takenoprisoner (illegally posting on an expired tag)
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To: takenoprisoner
Proper. Such as a father passing that relic to his son and explaining what it is. Or maybe the mother that keeps it on the mantle as her kids grow. Maybe it's the marine that jams a chunk of it up some jihadists butt. I ain't gonna stop them.
78 posted on 03/12/2004 10:10:10 PM PST by Spruce (revolvemonos)
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To: takenoprisoner
sounds like to me your guy kerry has certainly forgotten. he claims that any Bush ad talking about 9-11 is an attack ad against him. I listen to this weasel and he has completely forgotten about what happened on 9-11. when President Bush brings is up he accuses him of using it for politcal purposes, well HELLLLLLLLOOOO. We must never forget or 3,000 more will die here on our turf. But unfortunately people like have become complacent since 9-11 since your personal life had NOT been affected. WE MUST NEVER FORGET and we won't but kerry has.
79 posted on 03/12/2004 10:10:31 PM PST by GUIDO
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To: Spruce
"Proper. Such as a father passing that relic to his son and explaining what it is. Or maybe the mother that keeps it on the mantle as her kids grow. Maybe it's the marine that jams a chunk of it up some jihadists butt. I ain't gonna stop them."

That would be proper till his great grandchild long since his passing sells it on ebay.
80 posted on 03/12/2004 10:17:18 PM PST by takenoprisoner (illegally posting on an expired tag)
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To: GUIDO
First your tone is obscene, "my guy kerry."

No we will never forget 911. And yes, kerry seems to not have knowledge of it.


81 posted on 03/12/2004 10:26:30 PM PST by takenoprisoner (illegally posting on an expired tag)
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To: takenoprisoner
Go to bed. You are making a fool of yourself.
82 posted on 03/12/2004 10:28:02 PM PST by Spruce (revolvemonos)
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To: Spruce
Good advice and I think I will take it. Meantime be reminded of what they say about fools.
83 posted on 03/12/2004 10:33:15 PM PST by takenoprisoner (illegally posting on an expired tag)
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To: doublestandards
I don't really understand why anyone would be wrong to take a piece of debris. What's the big deal? Didn't New York City pay a company millions to haul everything to Fishkill?

Some of the "survivor families" have become huge pains in the ass. I wonder how their dead loved ones would feel knowing their survivors had become professional political whiners covered in their blood?

PS: NOW, BEAT IT, LOSER!!!!

84 posted on 03/12/2004 10:36:37 PM PST by Deb (Democrats HATE America...there's no other explanation.)
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To: takenoprisoner
What do you care?
85 posted on 03/12/2004 10:38:35 PM PST by Deb (Democrats HATE America...there's no other explanation.)
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To: Republicus2001
The poetry of d.h. rumsfeld

Beautiful!

I've really been enjoying the radio interviews with Rowan Scarbourough (sp?)
about his new book "Rumsfeld's War".
86 posted on 03/13/2004 12:21:40 AM PST by VOA
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To: 4mycountry
hehe ! You're having MY usual luck of timing ! ;^)

87 posted on 03/13/2004 4:33:58 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (The Democrats say they believe in CHOICE. I have chosen to vote STRAIGHT TICKET GOP for years !!)
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To: doublestandards; Skywarner; 4mycountry; Fierce Allegiance; TheBigB; VRWCmember; ...
I'm amazed at how many people here see nothing wrong with Rumsfeld taking a piece of the plane while others are [b]criminally[/b] charged for doing similar things at the WTC site. Shouldn't the rules apply to everyone equally?

doublestandards
Since Mar 13, 2004

Good reply on #45 Skywarner ! Thanks !

Oh, use '< >' instead of '[ ]', Doublestandards ...


88 posted on 03/13/2004 4:46:08 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (The Democrats say they believe in CHOICE. I have chosen to vote STRAIGHT TICKET GOP for years !!)
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To: doublestandards
Piffle
92 posted on 03/13/2004 9:41:38 AM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: doublestandards; hellinahandcart; trussell; MEG33; MeekOneGOP; petuniasevan; Hillarys nightmare; ...
You just signed up to whine, ain't that right?


96 posted on 03/13/2004 9:59:11 AM PST by JoJo Gunn (Intellectuals exist only if you believe they do. )
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To: ClintonHater
Totally transparent.

Why didn't you just call yourself; "NoReally-I'mNot-A-DU-Troll".

97 posted on 03/13/2004 9:59:54 AM PST by handk (The moon belongs to America, and anxiously awaits our Astro-Men. Will you be among them?)
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To: JoJo Gunn; doublestandards; glock rocks
After seeing his post #91 I find it hard to believe he'll survive the day !

Any Newbie that comes on FR and flames Donald Rumsfeld is looking for trouble.

Man ! I forgot to save Glock Rocks MS Paperclip 'suicide' pic ! Dang !


98 posted on 03/13/2004 10:28:01 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (The Democrats say they believe in CHOICE. I have chosen to vote STRAIGHT TICKET GOP for years !!)
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To: doublestandards
I'm amazed at how many people here see nothing wrong with Rumsfeld taking a piece of the plane while others are [b]criminally[/b] charged for doing similar things at the WTC site.

Name one person.

The only people I know who were "[b]criminally[/b]" charged here were caught stealing private or city PROPERTY, or attempting to break in to a bank vault in order to do so. Not for taking scrap metal! They were originally going to dump all the steel in the ocean, did you know that?

99 posted on 03/13/2004 10:37:16 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: doublestandards
I LOVE RUMMMY>>I LOVE RUMMY >>I LOVE RUMMY>> I LOVE RUMMY>>I LOVE RUMMY>> I LOVE RUMMY>>I LOVE RUMMY
100 posted on 03/13/2004 10:40:11 AM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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