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Americans in gun sites of Mexican army
WND ^ | March 13, 2004 | Jon E. Dougherty

Posted on 03/13/2004 6:03:43 AM PST by joesnuffy

Jon E. Dougherty


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Americans in gun sites of Mexican army


Posted: March 13, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

Editor's note: John Dougherty's recent book, "Illegals: The Imminent Threat Posed by Our Unsecured U.S.-Mexico Border," is available at WorldNetDaily's online store.

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

You'd think frequent gun battles along the U.S.-Mexico border between federal agents and citizen border-monitoring groups on this side, and drug and people smugglers on the other side, would make the national headlines.

If you thought that, you'd be mistaken. Just ask Chris Simcox, owner of the Tombstone (Ariz.) Tumbleweed newspaper, and head of one such border group. He's trying to get the word out; few are listening and, apparently, that includes anyone in Washington.

In an e-mail to select correspondents last month, Simcox said there was "another" shootout very similar to others that have occurred with increasingly frequency along remote areas of the Arizona border Ð areas known to be frequented by drug and alien smugglers and elements of Mexican "authorities" (which often has included federal troops and police) that escort them to the border.

"Details are basically the same; shots fired, assailants get away, drugs seized," he writes. "The [Mexican] soldiers we captured on tape have been seen laying down suppression fire during the drug dealers' dash back across the border Ð this is not hyperbole Ð our guys are being fired upon from the other side of the border and they will not return fire. É"

"A high-speed car chase ended with Bisbee police, Border Patrol agents and a detail of the United States Marines coming under automatic weapons fire near the U.S./Mexico border two miles west of Naco, Ariz., on Tuesday morning, Feb. 16," reported Simcox. "Federal Bureau of Investigation agent Susan Herskovits confirmed on Wednesday that the agency is involved in the investigation, because it involves an assault on federal law-enforcement agents and involves gunfire from across the international boundary with Mexico."

On Feb. 19, says Simcox, "we had yet another incident involving automatic gunfire directed at our [law-enforcement] agents." While he says he wasn't close enough to confirm, it appeared that, at a distance, the law-enforcement "vehicles were full of bullet holes."

While none of these most recent gun battles has produced any casualties, that's not to say U.S. citizens and federal agents tasked with guarding our borders haven't been hurt or killed in this escalating border war. In 2002, U.S. Park Service Ranger Kris Eggle (pronounced egg-lee) was killed in a drug-related shooting (the perp used an AK-47). Other agents have been wounded, and American citizens captured or threatened.

In my book, Illegals: The Imminent Threat Posed by Our Unsecured U.S.-Mexico Border," I document this longstanding problem that has been occurring with more frequency in the past few years. There is even photographic evidence that armed Mexican troops regularly patrol within feet of the U.S. border.

The book contains documentation from eyewitnesses who said they've seen Mexican military and paramilitary police assisting Mexican nationals with crossing illegally into the U.S. And witnesses have described how some Mexican army and federal police units actually provide armed cover for smugglers packing drugs into our country.

I describe how, back in 1985, an American father and his daughter were briefly held at gunpoint inside the United States and on their own property by a gun-toting squad of Mexican soldiers Ð who were eventually let go by U.S. government officials with their weapons.

A few other news agencies have reported some incidents of gunfire along the border, but almost always details are lacking, hard questions are never asked (or answered) and the incursions are usually dismissed as "accidental border crossings" by American and Mexican authorities. Consequently, the issue hasn't caught on nationally.

But why?

Because few in the national media want to discuss it. Even fewer politicians do. And almost no one in Washington wants to admit the fact that our already porous borders are spiraling further out of control Ð perhaps irretrievably so. Hispanic voters and cheaper labor is more important than the lives of American citizens and law-enforcement personnel.

Americans are facing another election cycle. Much of the banter thus far has centered around "traditional" issues Ð taxes, jobs, the economy, ad nauseum.

But perhaps for the first time since the Cold War, national security is also an issue, thanks to 9-11. That's where our borders problem fits in; it simply is not a good thing for security when porous borders are ignored. Still, the major candidates for office largely ignore this vital issue.

Anyone who assumes the Wild West faded into the sunset a hundred years ago hasn't spent much time along the border. Then again, that's probably a good thing; you might live longer.


Get Jon Dougherty's explosive new book, Illegals: The Imminent Threat Posed by Our Unsecured U.S.-Mexico Border," published by WND Books and available from WND's online store.




Jon E. Dougherty is the author of "Illegals: The Imminent Threat Posed by Our Unsecured U.S.-Mexico Border."



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1 posted on 03/13/2004 6:03:44 AM PST by joesnuffy
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To: joesnuffy
The Social Security for Mexicans entitlement is being written...Mexicans only have to work in the USA 18 months to qualify...to be entitled ...Work time in Mexico will also qualify Mexicans to recieve Social Security from US taxpayers...

Monies from Social Security can be direct deposited into Mexican banks...

The floodgates are open...and the Mexican Army has invaded the U.S.A. con permisso Tio Sam

Once the total terrorist...muslim...narco...marxist...completley inundates US local law enforcement Homeland Security will be inplace to take over...the federalization of local police will be completed ...IMO...this is the goal....

Thesis Antithesis Synthesis....Machiavelian...Hegelian...Marxist dialectic....Social Change through manufactured crisis management...

The Repubbies turn the thumb screws down one or two turns...the Democraps ten or twenty turns...

That way "We the People" are gratefull for just the one or two turns...

Clintons and their ilk raised up to make anyone else who is even half way decent look good... Only outwardly appearing decent men can deliver conservatives into the NWO....

They wont go there for anyone who isnt at least on the outside ...decently appearing...

Neocons & Demoncraps ...leading the sheep to slaughter

imo

2 posted on 03/13/2004 6:12:59 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: joesnuffy
Americans in gun sites of Mexican army

Only John Dougherty could be silly enough to fear that we're going to be invaded by the Mexican army.

3 posted on 03/13/2004 6:14:06 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (John Kerry is the Democrat's Bob Dole)
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To: joesnuffy
I was a little disappointed in Chris's videotape of the uniformed Mexicans with the guns & Humvee. He said he saw them on our side of the border but by time he got his video cam going they were back on their side.

Oh, and he forgot his VCR & tape and I still have it at my house. I need to get that back to him.

4 posted on 03/13/2004 6:17:32 AM PST by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: DumpsterDiver
ping
5 posted on 03/13/2004 6:23:21 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: ClintonBeGone
Only John Dougherty could be silly enough to fear that we're going to be invaded by the Mexican army.

Um...what do you call the several incursions they've made across a clearly marked border? They've shot at people, taken people, etc. It may not be the full-scale armed invasion that you want to pretend is the only definition of the word invasion, but it constitutes invasion nonetheless.

Why are you always popping into these threads to downplay the border problem? Some of us actually live in the border area and a lot more about this than you do.

6 posted on 03/13/2004 6:24:58 AM PST by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: ClintonBeGone
Americans in gun sites of Mexican army

Where are these "sites"?

I have googled, yahoo'd and surfed and have yet to find these Mexican gun sites.

And why would Americans want to be in these sites?

We have plenty of gun sites for Americans.

Let's see, theres the NRA, the 2nd Amendment association, the various gun mags, Outdoor Life, Field and Stream, even the manufacturers such as Remington, Winchester, etc, have sites.

Why would Americans want to be in Mexican gun sites?

7 posted on 03/13/2004 6:28:58 AM PST by OldSmaj
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To: ClintonBeGone
Only a fool sincerely believes the US is defendable with merely several 100,000 soldiers, but that hasn't prevented the US from deploying the majority of its mobile strength overseas.

The main reason we have been defended is that there has not been an organized opposition which seeks to seize all US territory.

Our sovereignty faces a major threat if culturally there appears to be no economic hope for most citizens to ever achieve a lower class to middle class life style. Within a couple of generations, a simple tide may flow amongst diverse groups to simply seize whatever they seek by force. Socialist leaders could easily promise cliques of diverse interests no longer pinned to national status similarly to how Hussein promised Kuwait to his followers.

In this fashion, the same reports of border incursions today represent a significant threat to our soveriegnty. When they occur with impugnity at lower levels of decentralized control, they might easily be conducted on scales one to two orders of magnitude greater if mobilized by centralized command.
8 posted on 03/13/2004 6:32:30 AM PST by Cvengr (;^))
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To: OldSmaj
I think because the editors at WND are asleep at the gun sight.
9 posted on 03/13/2004 6:32:31 AM PST by FreedomPoster (This space intentionally blank)
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To: Cvengr; OldSmaj; FreedomPoster
Sorry to break it to you Cvenger, but the sky really isn't falling.
10 posted on 03/13/2004 6:38:37 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (John Kerry is the Democrat's Bob Dole)
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To: ClintonBeGone
Sorry to break it to you Cvenger, but the sky really isn't falling.

Not in Michigan it ain't.

Yet.

11 posted on 03/13/2004 6:44:24 AM PST by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Travis McGee
DE Ping
12 posted on 03/13/2004 7:17:15 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: gubamyster
Ping.
13 posted on 03/13/2004 7:22:27 AM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: ClintonBeGone
Only John Dougherty could be silly enough to fear that we're going to be invaded by the Mexican army.

It is even sillier to come to that conclusion from reading the article.

He never stated or hinted that the Mexican Army was going to invade the US.

He simply stated the truth, that the Mexican Military and the Mexican Federal Police are assisting the drug smugglers and people smugglers and are entering the US and firing on our citizens.

As an eyewitness to these acts, I can attest that everything in this article is 100% correct.

14 posted on 03/13/2004 7:27:46 AM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: joesnuffy
As citizens we deserve it, the fed just needs to keep on tightening the thumb screws, we evidently don't mind.
15 posted on 03/13/2004 7:33:59 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Marine Inspector
As an eyewitness to these acts, I can attest that everything in this article is 100% correct.

And as someone who seems to appear on every anti-Mexican thread I read, I'm sure your objectivity is unimpeachable.

16 posted on 03/13/2004 7:52:27 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (John Kerry is the Democrat's Bob Dole)
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To: Spiff
Not in Michigan it ain't.

Yet.

Oh, don't be naive. You know as well as I do that the Royal Canadian Mounties are surrounding Windsor and are expected to cross the Ambassador Bridge at any moment. LOL I need a kook break.

17 posted on 03/13/2004 7:55:45 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (John Kerry is the Democrat's Bob Dole)
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To: ClintonBeGone
And as someone who seems to appear on every anti-Mexican thread I read

Well, if concern about my fellow American citizens and our National Sovereignty makes me anti-Mexican, then so be it.

It's a hell of allot better then being anti-American, like say, yourself.

Personally, I have no problem with anyone from Mexico that is here legally. It’s the criminals that I don’t like.

18 posted on 03/13/2004 8:01:30 AM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: ClintonBeGone
on every anti-Mexican thread I read,

Whats anti-Mexican about this thread? It seems more anti-criminal. I think you need to dial down your bias meter.

19 posted on 03/13/2004 8:06:43 AM PST by Balding_Eagle
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To: Spiff; ClintonBeGone
Not in Michigan it ain't.>>>>>>>



LOL.......No wonder *those* in Michigan, don't see illegals as a problem.......Michigan is 'home' for only 70K illegals....

Perhaps if Michigan had 70K passing thru every WEEK or so (as the border states do) they would be more aware of our INVASION (& the costs to local taxpayers.)

http://www.detnews.com/2003/metro/0304/17/a01-139024.htm

"Government estimates show Michigan is home to more than 70,000 people here illegally."
20 posted on 03/13/2004 8:22:49 AM PST by txdoda ("Navy Brat")
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To: joesnuffy
bump
21 posted on 03/13/2004 8:26:34 AM PST by junta
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To: ClintonBeGone
Americans in gun sites of Mexican army

Only John Dougherty could be silly enough to fear that we're going to be invaded by the Mexican army.

How ridiculous.


22 posted on 03/13/2004 8:50:18 AM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: joesnuffy
Bienvenidos a Amexica. Aprenda Espanol hoy, evite la prisa manana.

(Learn Spanish today, avoid the rush tomorrow.)

23 posted on 03/13/2004 9:29:57 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Beelzebubba
Exactamente.

I was eating lunch in a restaruant along the boardwalk in Pacific Beach (San Diego) yesterday, and watched a group of about ten Mexicans haul a large sofa out onto the beach, along with coolers, boom boxes etc. Then they erected a 3x5 Mexican flag on a 30 foot flagpole. It was so in your face, a big middle finger to America and Americans.

24 posted on 03/13/2004 9:32:26 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: ClintonBeGone
You'll still be saying that when a piece of the sky hits you in the head.
25 posted on 03/13/2004 9:37:08 AM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: joesnuffy
yougotit bump.
26 posted on 03/13/2004 9:37:54 AM PST by Ethan_Allen (Gen. 32:24-32 'man'=Jesus http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jesus_is_Israel/index.html)
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To: archy
You'll never forgive Pancho, will ya?
27 posted on 03/13/2004 10:29:39 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (John Kerry is the Democrat's Bob Dole)
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To: Balding_Eagle
Whats anti-Mexican about this thread?

It's like one of those 'if you have to ask' things.

28 posted on 03/13/2004 10:30:19 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (John Kerry is the Democrat's Bob Dole)
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To: Marine Inspector
It's a hell of allot better then being anti-American, like say, yourself.

I've been through enough of these threads to know what your side is all about. Cerdos blancos.

29 posted on 03/13/2004 10:34:11 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (John Kerry is the Democrat's Bob Dole)
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To: Travis McGee
I was eating lunch in a restaruant along the boardwalk in Pacific Beach (San Diego) yesterday, and watched a group of about ten Mexicans haul a large sofa out onto the beach, along with coolers, boom boxes etc. Then they erected a 3x5 Mexican flag on a 30 foot flagpole. It was so in your face, a big middle finger to America and Americans.

And how would you charaterize this experience if it was a bunch of college frat boys doing it?

30 posted on 03/13/2004 10:35:33 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (John Kerry is the Democrat's Bob Dole)
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To: ClintonBeGone
This thread is NOT anti-Mexican. It is however ANTI-ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION! Big difference. It is about protecting America our Country or what is left of it!

MCD
31 posted on 03/13/2004 10:40:36 AM PST by MSCASEY (Our God is an Awesome God!)
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To: MSCASEY
sure, they always are.
32 posted on 03/13/2004 10:45:00 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (John Kerry is the Democrat's Bob Dole)
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To: joesnuffy
[ Americans in gun sites of Mexican army ]

That would mean that they are in the gun sites of the most obvious of our Army that they can SEE... as a distraction from the snipers then can't see..(in the daytime)..

33 posted on 03/13/2004 10:55:37 AM PST by hosepipe
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To: ClintonBeGone
Funny thing my best friends name is Diaz!! My stepfather is of Mexican descent! They do not like what is happening in our country! So don't try to use your politically correct word games! It does not work! It is about America and ILLEGAL Immigration and protecting our Country!

I know other people that have legal come to this country, learned our language and are not on welfare. It is sad that you have no concern for the heritage of America or no concern to protect our country.

MCD
34 posted on 03/13/2004 11:23:06 AM PST by MSCASEY (Our God is an Awesome God!)
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To: ClintonBeGone
My uncle's wife is Mexican. She came here LEGALLY 25 years ago, jumped through all the proper hoops, and became an American citizen. She regularly gripes about illegal border crossers, saying it's not fair to the immigrants who respect the law and wait their turn rather than jumping to the head of the line. Is she anti-Mexican, too?

Believe it or not, it really is possible to disapprove of a specific illegal behavior that some Mexicans are engaging in without being anti-Mexican. The leftist mantra that any and all complaints about the behavior of another race/ethnic group can only be motivated by racial bias is getting very, very old. Especially when it's OK for Mexicans to criticize Anglos, and for blacks to criticize whites (Anglos)... But, if we dare criticize THE BEHAVIOR of SOME Mexicans or blacks, then we're nothing but a bunch of racists?? Bullbleep!

35 posted on 03/13/2004 11:30:26 AM PST by schmelvin
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To: joesnuffy
I think these politicans don't realize history is repeating itself and that when the GAULS sacked the City of Rome itself, on their journey to the City of Rome, several slaves and even Rome citizens (having been betray by the Roman Government) willingly joined them in their venture.
37 posted on 03/13/2004 11:31:00 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup (Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: ClintonBeGone
I've been through enough of these threads to know what your side is all about.

This is what my side is all about.

And this is what you and your NeoCon friends are all about

Me, I chose the CONSTITUTION.

Marine Inspector

38 posted on 03/13/2004 12:10:58 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: Paul C. Jesup
I suspect that many of them know exactly what they're doing. America, Europe, Canada, and Australia are being Balkanized.

Overthrowing a Constitutional Republic is easy, doncha know? Just, flood the country with foreigners who have little or no understanding of our heritage, get them hooked on social services ASAP, give them the right to vote, then cater to the politics of envy, play the race card as often as possible, create major schisms that result in hateful enclaves and riotous civil unrest, then... Step in and "fix" the problem. See? It's easy.

39 posted on 03/13/2004 12:13:56 PM PST by schmelvin
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To: joesnuffy
Mexico has an army? I thought it was disbanded after Viva Max failed to retake the Alamo.
40 posted on 03/13/2004 12:19:40 PM PST by DaGman
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To: ClintonBeGone
You'll never forgive Pancho, will ya?

I will admit that I find Thomas Borge to be a more worrisome and recent threat to the lives and safety of American citizens.

"We have Nicaragua, soon we will have El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Costa Rica, and Mexico. One day, tomorrow or five years or fifteen years from now, we're going to take 5 to 10 million Mexicans and they are going into Dallas, into El Paso, into Houston, into New Mexico, into San Diego, and each one will have embedded in his mind the idea of killing ten Americans."

--Thomas Borge, Nicaragua Interior Minister as quoted in the Washington Times, March 27, 1985


41 posted on 03/13/2004 12:45:22 PM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: DaGman
Mexico has an army? I thought it was disbanded after Viva Max failed to retake the Alamo.

Oh yes. They have an army.


42 posted on 03/13/2004 12:54:37 PM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: schmelvin
My uncle's wife is Mexican. She came here LEGALLY 25 years ago, jumped through all the proper hoops, and became an American citizen.

Your uncle's wife is an American.

43 posted on 03/13/2004 12:55:56 PM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: archy
"We have Nicaragua, soon we will have El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Costa Rica, and Mexico. One day, tomorrow or five years or fifteen years from now, we're going to take 5 to 10 million Mexicans and they are going into Dallas, into El Paso, into Houston, into New Mexico, into San Diego, and each one will have embedded in his mind the idea of killing ten Americans."

--Thomas Borge, Nicaragua Interior Minister as quoted in the Washington Times, March 27, 1985

They’re here.

44 posted on 03/13/2004 1:14:18 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: ClintonBeGone
It's like one of those 'if you have to ask' things

My question was rhetorical.

45 posted on 03/13/2004 3:28:45 PM PST by Balding_Eagle
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To: archy
Your uncle's wife is an American.

Oops. Meant to say "from Mexico". Good catch. Yes, she is 100% American, and The Stars and Stripes is the only flag she displays.

46 posted on 03/13/2004 3:46:05 PM PST by schmelvin
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To: OldSmaj
Maybe you should OPEN your EYES. America as we know it is disappearing in a wave of unwashed Mexicans!
Americans have all ways pulled together, now for the first time in history it is possible to see the true Federal Govt.
The USA has been invaded by the largest NON ARMY in history.
By losing the fabric of Society, we will need the U.N. to step in and "PACIIFY" the cities just as it did in the BALKINS!

ARMY – 50,000+ soldiers.
Extra conservative estimate 10,000,000 across Border
10,000,000 / 50,000 = 1000 / 5 = 200 Army's of Illegal Mexicans in American today. This is a WAR our Government is LOOSING on purpose.
47 posted on 03/13/2004 4:07:30 PM PST by Wisard (How come Texas has more Mexicans than Mexico?)
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To: archy
IMHO, the Mexican Army is closer to a true militia per our founding father's intentions than our own DOD. Conscription is mandatory and all men have served at one time. The general population military IQ would compete favorably to the common US citizen.

US armed forces are today approaching mercenary character. Yes, the US is obviously the superior military force, but the nation as a whole might be better defended and mobilized in Mexico than the US.
48 posted on 03/13/2004 5:28:21 PM PST by Cvengr (;^))
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To: Wisard
Maybe you should OPEN your EYES.

Well, my first inclination was to tell you what a stinking, paranoid, low-class, no-class damned idiot you are.

But I won't do that.

Instead, I'll simply inform you, calmly and without rancor, that MY EYES ARE OPEN, YOU MORON!

Oops.

Hey, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to yell, there.

Let me assure you, I am very much aware of the problem.

I do not deny the problem. Nor do I believe my government is doing as much as it should to solve or address the problem.

But you, with your silly math and your "UN Pacification" and all the other hyperbole, you are the big problem.

What ya gonna do, mouth, sit there behind your keyboard and rant or will you use that keyboard to write your representatives, to publish letters to the editors of your local papers, to record and document all this nefarious actvity you see?

Or will you hide behind your rhetoric on this forum and rant and rave to persons that will, like me, laugh at your silliness?

Butthead.

49 posted on 03/13/2004 9:14:20 PM PST by OldSmaj
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