The Bible and homosexuality [Kerry thinks the bible is for homosexuality]

World Net Daily ^ | March 11, 2004 | Joseph Farah

[Fun Bob]

The Bible and homosexuality Posted: March 11, 2004

Sen. John Kerry suggested to an audience in Mississippi recently that the Bible is ambiguous on the topic of homosexuality.

"Well, I know the deep beliefs, I respect, I'm a Christian, I've read the Bible, and I know you can find the clauses that go both ways," he said. "I'm not here to argue that with you."

Well, I'm here to argue with Kerry. The Bible is clear on homosexuality – Old Testament and New Testament: Homosexuality is an abomination.

Kerry may not believe it. You may not believe it. But the Bible states it clearly and unambiguously. And, despite what Kerry says, there are no "clauses" that suggest anything else.

Here's a brief Bible study for the man who would be president.

It begins in Leviticus 18:22 (KJV): "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

That seems pretty clear to me. Maybe Kerry has another interpretation. The chapter goes on to state that people who commit these acts, and others God considers abominations, causes the land itself to be defiled.

Then, in the New Testament, Paul writes in Romans 1:22-27:

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

I'm still waiting for any Bible student to show me even one verse that suggests a more "tolerant" view of homosexuality.

Generally speaking, the best they can do is to suggest Jesus Himself never spoke out against homosexuality.

There are two problems with that statement:

First, Christians believe Jesus came not to overturn the law but to fulfill it. They believe He is the Word – its living fulfillment. They believe He is eternal and part of the Godhead that created the Heavens, the Earth and Man. Therefore, Jesus never contradicted any of the law. He quoted from it. He taught from it. He explained it. He affirmed it.

Second, Jesus did speak out, as recorded in Matthew 19:4-6:

And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Here Jesus had an opportunity to explain any middle ground in this issue of men and women. As if to underscore the point, he did later provide something of an exemption for eunuchs – men who do not have testicles. But he doesn't suggest God made homosexuals, lesbians, transgendereds, transvestites or bisexuals.

Kerry likes to be on both sides of all the issues. But that's difficult when it comes to God's unambiguous Word on relations between men and women. Maybe Kerry can let the American people in on which "clauses" he's found in the Bible that would justify homosexuality as anything other than an abomination.

You can choose to believe the Bible. You can choose to disbelieve it. But you cannot say it says something it does not say.

[Fun Bob]

miserable failure miserable failure miserable failure miserable failure war criminal

[thoughtomator]

You can choose to believe the Bible. You can choose to disbelieve it. But you cannot say it says something it does not say.

They do this with the Constitution all the time ("separation of church and state", anyone?). Doing it with the Bible is simply the logical extension thereof.

[OldFriend]

Kerry's bible and Clinton's dictionary.....perfect together!

[AgThorn]

"...I've read the Bible, and I know you can find the clauses that go both ways,"

the first part of that sentence was canceled out by the second part ..

[per loin]

Has Kerry retired from the campaign? I've not seen his face since his Muslim friends blew up the trains in Spain.

[Dutch Boy]

Was it the blowing up of the train or the arrest of the spy who work for all those democrats? Kerry seems to be edging toward a meltdown soon. I hope there are cameras present.

[Tacis]

It may be that Kerry has recently met an attrcative fairy with 800 million dollars and is considering discarding the Widow Heinz for an arrangement with the person identified only as "Bruce."

[binger]

[pnz1]

I thought that was part of the reason Sodom and Gomorrah (forgive spelling) were destroyed?

[Tanstaafl]

LOL - That's just too funny... and true.

[Kowdawg]

It must be very difficult for Mr. Kerry to go through life with such a broken compass.

[NormsRevenge]

"the clauses that go both ways"

Huh? Kerry is nothing more than a snake oil salesman. He has a cure for what ails everyone, it seems.

[lilylangtree]

Kerry is a lying piece of crapola. He says he read the Bible and still calls it ambiguous. He couldn't have read it. Anyone can read a book and not comprehend the meaning. Anyone can say they're a Christian and still not be one. That's between him and God. However, if one reads the Bible (and I doubt Ketchup man has), the many references to homosexuality being an abomination in the eyes of God are unmistakable, which leads me to believe that he's never really read the Bible.

[Cicero]

The Bible seems clear enough. It's also clear how it has been traditionally read and understood for 2,000 years.

Oddly enough, this kind of thing results in part from the difficulty of taking "sola scriptura" too literally. It means that every morning you wake up free to interpret the written text from scratch, without according any authority to thousands of years of learned interpretation and disputes over every verse.

[hgro]

Who believes that John Kerry ever read the bible?

[ontos-on]

This is interesting a possibly a clue to Kerry's essential core. There is a desire not to be determined by any authority other than his own whim. This is the definition of arrogance: there is no higher authority. Thus the war was wrong, the troops were vicious criminals, the concerns about communists are shortsighted, the terrorists should only be treated as criminals not warriors against us, the constitution does not mean what it says, the bible does nto mean what it says. Those he disagrees with Kerry attacks their motives and character.

This is because Kerry has to escpae from anything authoritative which is cited in support of the position Kerry opposes. His method for dealing with authority is to deny that its message is clear and unambiguous. This is supposed to be nuanced intelligence. What it is precisley is sophmoric, the wise fool which St Paul describes.

[Admin Moderator]

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[ImpBill]

"You can choose to believe the Bible. You can choose to disbelieve it. But you cannot say it says something it does not say."

Deviates and Democrats can and do.

Oppps, bit of journalistic license there, as aren't they one and the same?

[Jeff Chandler]

>>"...you can find the clauses that go both ways,"<<

Sometimes main, sometimes subordinate?

[claudiustg]

---I thought that was part of the reason Sodom and Gomorrah (forgive spelling) were destroyed?---

There was an article recently claiming that Sodom and Gomorra were about abuse of power, not sexuality. This is one of the reasons I have started rejecting any claims the gays make out of hand. No benefit of the doubt for these folks.

[nmh]

John Kerry is the adversary to Christ.

[Kirkwood]

Kerry has problems with big words. He thinks abomination means acceptable.

[VRWCTexan]

Kerry's eyes sre blind - per St Paul:

2Corinthians 4:1-4 Therefore, seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty; not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but, by manifestation of the truth, commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

But if our gospel is hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them who believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine to them.

[VOA]

The Bible and homosexuality [Kerry thinks the bible is for homosexuality]

What a cruel article.
Does Joe Farrah expect a political candidate to be honest and warn a large
part of his constituency that they might burn in Hades?
Let alone die prematurely from their ill-advised life-style choices.
That's no way to get elected!

(end sarcasm/irony)

[Trillian]

I don't think john kerry has read the bible ;)

[In_25_words_or_less]

They do this with the Constitution all the time ("separation of church and state", anyone?). Doing it with the Bible is simply the logical extension thereof.

They're somewhat similar. Both are weapons -- defense -- against tyranny. One against political tyranny, the other against the tyranny of sin.

[alpha-8-25-02]

WELL DEAN SAID THE BOOK OF JOB WAS HIS FAVORITE NEW TESTAMENT TEXT
it is apparent,that the inspired word of GOD can only prove as inspired to a believer and follower of CHRIST

[Fiddlstix]

It begins in Leviticus 18:22 (KJV): "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

Pretty much says it all, IMHO

[skinkinthegrass]

Kerry has problems with big words. He thinks abomination means acceptable.

..as with any word; the big ones or the small ones. Like is..."a la Bubba and Shrillary"...and they'll get away with it along as ABCNNBC BS lets' them.

[Just mythoughts]

"I thought that was part of the reason Sodom and Gomorrah (forgive spelling) were destroyed?"

You spelled it correctly and Sodom means = flaming burning; and Gomorrah means = a ruined heap, Amorah, a place in Pal.:

So guess we have a flaming, burning, ruined heap coming in the future!

[AgThorn]

???

[meowmeow]

I always get a kick out of people who say, "I've read the Bible..." like it was a popular novel, or one of those little booklets on diets or horoscopes you see at checkout counters. It's a very telling statement.

[A2J]

men who do not have testicles

That apparently includes Kerry.

[alpha-8-25-02]

ALSO ONE OF MY FAVORITES
the best is " i was born again but it did not work"
GODSPEED

[Just mythoughts]

"Kerry's eyes sre blind - per St Paul:"


I disagree, I believe that JFKErry doesn't give a "rat's behind" what the WORD instructs, JFKerry believes he is a "god". His religion is secular and that is whom he worships, HIMSELF. He will try and "USE" the WORD pretending to be what he is not if it will get himself elected president.

His actions and deeds expose him not being blind but EVIL.

[freeangel]

Damn--if that just isn't like the dems! Rewrite, rewrite anything and everything and if it still doesn't work for them, have one of their activist "big guns" just reinterpret for all the ignorant "little people" of our society.

[WhiteyAppleseed]

Sen. John Kerry suggested to an audience in Mississippi recently that the Bible is ambiguous on the topic of homosexuality.

Who was in the audience, or, what kind of audience was this?

[fish hawk]

Well,that depends on what "is" is. /sarcasm

[MizSterious]

Well, it wouldn't surprise me if Kerry "goes both ways," but the Bible certainly doesn't. Maybe Kerry should actually read the book before pontificating about it.

[Gritty]

"I've read the Bible" - John Kerry

Kerry must have been reading Bill Clinton's Bible!

[shield]

Just another Idiot....

[TalBlack]

"There was an article recently claiming that Sodom and Gomorra were about abuse of power, not sexuality. This is one of the reasons I have started rejecting any claims the gays make out of hand. No benefit of the doubt for these folks."

This is slightly off topic but I had the same exact sense as I read a letter in Guitar Player magizine today in which a writer asserted that Rush Limbaugh "(tore) down Chelsea Clinton then a teenager on his right wing radio show?"

I don't listen everyday but I seriously doubt Rush did any such thing. It occured to me that, lately, it's very easy to dismiss these people as out and out liars.

[thiscouldbemoreconfusing]

Sir, you forget, kerry is a liar.

A liar about the war, a liar about his sex life, a liar about his voting record, and a liar when it comes to the Bible. I do not believe for even a moment that he has ever read the Bible, maybe looked at some of the pictures (RC bibles have pictures) when he was a kid, but read it? Not a chance.

Kerry is a liar!

[VRWCTexan]

Quote" "Kerry must have been reading Bill Clinton's Bible!"

True!

I recently read (maybe here of F.R.) that Klontoon's Hollywood friends actually provided him with an "oversized" Bible that he was often potographed holding in his hand as he exited church services.

At best I place both Klontoon and JFK with the Scribes and Pharaisees.

Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

[Lady Jag]

Kerry is famously faux Irish, especiallh this Wednesday as he celebrates his beloved St. Patrick's Day, also known as Evacuation Day in Boston.

And the DNC creeps on.

Kerry Ichabod by Science Diet, taken by Binger Gambit.

[BrucefromMtVernon]

Communists like John Kerry believe in God and they hate Him. Communists are not atheists. They believe in God and they hate Him.

[hope]

Kerry doesn't deal with facts, he's stuck in some dead ideology as are most in his league. He's definitely not a leader, he is walking cliche

[samtheman]

I've read the Bible, and I know you can find the clauses that go both ways," he said.

Maybe John Kerry "goes both ways".

[Matchett-PI]

"Oddly enough, this kind of thing results in part from the difficulty of taking "sola scriptura" too literally." ~ Cicero

On the contrary, eisegesis results from ignorance, misinformation, or downright hostility to God and a legitimate exegesis of his Word.

Some of you may have seen the "letter to Dr. Laura" that's been floating around the internet since 2000-2001.

It's a perfect example of what I'm talking about. I'll copy it below for those who haven't seen it, and then do a second post showing a legitimate scholarly rebuttal (exegesis) of each of the points that are made by this grossly ignorant writer:

The letter: "Know the Bible...particularly Leviticus!"

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination... End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev.21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy
considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan,
Homer Simpson-Caldwell

[sweetliberty]

Any bets on whether Kerry has ever actually read the Bible? Kerry is an idiot.