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The Right to Bear Arms
U.S. Department of State's Bureau of International Information Programs ^ | 20 Feb 2004

Posted on 03/13/2004 11:06:01 AM PST by TERMINATTOR

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Your tax dollars at work!
1 posted on 03/13/2004 11:06:02 AM PST by TERMINATTOR
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To: TERMINATTOR
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2 posted on 03/13/2004 11:20:15 AM PST by Yasotay
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To: *bang_list
Bookmarked for posterity.
3 posted on 03/13/2004 11:35:55 AM PST by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible, i.e. words mean things!)
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To: TERMINATTOR
Quite the contrary, The Supreme Court has covered this issue many times. The wording in the Constitution is simple
and unambiguous. The "people" in the Second Amendment are the same "people" in the First Amendment. The Supreme Court
has ruled that this refers to individuals (an individual right).
4 posted on 03/13/2004 11:54:23 AM PST by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: TERMINATTOR
From the article: "It is a measure of just how strong the gun lobby is in the United States that they managed to influence a Congress that saw public opinion polls strongly supporting stringent gun control measures."

I can imagine a lot of ways to say this that would be more fair to gun owners.

Four million members of the NRA versus a few tens of thousands of "Million Moms". The debate dies down when the Demoncrats become fearful of using gun control as a rallying cry.

5 posted on 03/13/2004 11:56:37 AM PST by William Tell
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To: newgeezer
"The Senate quickly passed a bill that would have tightened up the procedures for purchasing a gun, as well as a ban on certain types of ammunition, but it ran into a roadblock in the House where anti-control groups lobbied successfully to defeat the measure. It is a measure of just how strong the gun lobby is in the United States that they managed to influence a Congress that saw public opinion polls strongly supporting stringent gun control measures."

Colin Powell is sad, very sad.

Molon Labe!

6 posted on 03/13/2004 11:57:08 AM PST by TERMINATTOR (Sic semper tyrannis! (Thus always to tyrants!) -John Wilkes Booth)
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To: TERMINATTOR
The Second Amendment was never intended to augment or diminish this traditional right, and advocates of gun control have never argued that they want to deny individuals the ability to protect themselves against criminals.

Advocates of gun control refuse to so much as acknowledge the idea that one might even need to use a firearm in one's own self-defense. "That's what the police are for." I've seen people on DU argue with a straight face that the defensive use of a gun never happens.

Advocates of gun control will not come right out and say that they wish to deny individuals the right to effective self-defense. That would be a losing position. The effect of their policies, however, would be exactly that. What is a 75 year old going to do when a group of thugs kicks in his front door? Ward them off with a baseball bat?

Political considerations aside, I did think this was a well-written piece.

7 posted on 03/13/2004 11:59:22 AM PST by Objective Reality
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To: TERMINATTOR; Beelzebubba; coloradan; Noumenon; Mulder
In the English colonies, as recent scholarship has shown, private gun ownership was also relatively limited.

This tells you all you need to know about this state department bias against our RKBA. They're obviously referring to the totally debunked and disgraced work by Michael Belisles (SP).

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8 posted on 03/13/2004 12:14:53 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: TERMINATTOR
BTTT
9 posted on 03/13/2004 12:17:32 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Space Available for Rent or Lease by the Day, Week, or Month. Reasonable Rates. Inquire within.)
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To: TERMINATTOR
Yep. Out tax dollars at work AGAINST US!



Just read a few pages from this website...

This department's interpretation of what is and what is not a "right" is damned scary.

This is the LEAD sentence in a section under Property Rights"



"Property rights seem to many people an archaic notion, a relic of a time long gone when the status of an individual would be determined by the property he owned"

Sounds EXACTLY how they began to interpreted the 2nd.


It seems to boil down to "If the government was allowed to ban, deny a CERTAIN group'd right to own weapons in the past, then it is o.k. for the" gubmint" to do so now.

It COMPLETELY ignores the 14th Amend and the Court's ruling of Equal Protection" clause, guaranteeing the rights of ALL citizens.



10 posted on 03/13/2004 12:18:03 PM PST by RedMonqey (Its is dangerous to be right when your government is wrong)
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To: Eaker
Gun Ping.

Come and take 'em.. and bring a lunch.

Bring a lot of stuff actually...

11 posted on 03/13/2004 12:21:30 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: William Tell
You beat me to the punch by a few seconds in quoting that passage!

There's a lot of NWO anti-freedom drivel left to note though. There misinterpretation of US v Miller stands out.

"The Court unanimously upheld the federal law, as well as congressional power to regulate firearms, and insisted that the Second Amendment had to be read in the context of its original intent, namely staffing the militia."

This is the gun grabbers position - that the Second Amendment protects the national guard's RKBA.

12 posted on 03/13/2004 12:23:15 PM PST by TERMINATTOR (Sic semper tyrannis! (Thus always to tyrants!) -John Wilkes Booth)
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To: TERMINATTOR
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The, Second, Amendment, contains only, a single, comma.

--Boris

13 posted on 03/13/2004 12:25:31 PM PST by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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To: Travis McGee
"In the English colonies, as recent scholarship has shown, private gun ownership was also relatively limited."


So was PRIVATE PROPERTY!

So would the right to own property be a "collective right" and allow ONLY the "gubmint" to keep and maintain such?
(heavy sarcasm)
14 posted on 03/13/2004 12:26:19 PM PST by RedMonqey (Its is dangerous to be right when your government is wrong)
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To: TERMINATTOR
"the right of the people to keep and bear arms."

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

The right to self defense does not descend from government, and cannot be rescinded by them. Any attempt to do so is illegal, and traitorous.
And futile.

15 posted on 03/13/2004 12:32:53 PM PST by GhostofWCooper
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To: TERMINATTOR
Their true position is illustrated with the hunter cartoon. When I saw it, I knew what the stance would be.
16 posted on 03/13/2004 12:33:58 PM PST by GhostofWCooper
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To: TERMINATTOR
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17 posted on 03/13/2004 12:35:12 PM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: TERMINATTOR
Their scholary works refered to was by one Besileis or some such moniker who has been discredited and fired from his cushy professorship. On all counts he is reconized as a proven liar and fabricator from whole cloth of non-exsistant records.
18 posted on 03/13/2004 12:41:46 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: boris
Right you are! Regardless of comma's, tyrants will continue to disregard the Constitution as long as we let them.

"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independent 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century & a half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it's natural manure." --Thomas Jefferson; The "Tree of Liberty" letter

19 posted on 03/13/2004 12:43:11 PM PST by TERMINATTOR (Sic semper tyrannis! (Thus always to tyrants!) -John Wilkes Booth)
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20 posted on 03/13/2004 12:53:00 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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