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Cynthia Tucker: Blacks flee gays, can't flee AIDS
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 3.14.04 | Cynthia Tucker

Posted on 03/13/2004 7:23:35 PM PST by mhking

Black America's casual homophobia hardly speaks well for a people who have experienced so much discrimination themselves. But this bit of knee-jerk bigotry is no longer a mere social failing. It is now also a killer, keeping black gays in the closet and contributing to the rise of HIV.

From the black church to the barbershop, a gay-bashing ethos is so prevalent that black men who have sex with other men refuse to admit that they're gay. Indeed, according to Dr. Helene Gayle, one of the nation's top African-American experts on AIDS, some black parents prefer to falsely accuse their HIV-infected sons of drug abuse rather than admit that the son is gay.

Just last week, a black Atlanta radio talk show host, Coz Carson, was on the air denouncing the push for gay marriage, claiming that support for same-sex unions promotes the increase in HIV among black men -- as if homosexuality, not HIV, were contagious. Carson has it backward. It is homophobia, such as that which he so proudly displayed, that promotes the spread of HIV.

Given the hostility they face, black gays and lesbians are less likely than whites to come out of the closet, to form support groups or to seek counseling about safe sex. Can it be any wonder, then, that black Americans -- men and women -- constitute a disproportionate share of HIV and AIDS cases?

While black Americans account for only about 12 percent of the population, they account for about 54 percent of all new HIV infections. And black women are 23 times more likely to have AIDS than white women. Just a few years ago, researchers discovered a primary reason for that alarming statistic: black men who engage in homosexual activity secretly -- or "on the down low" -- while continuing to sleep with their wives or girlfriends, who are then vulnerable to infection.

Now comes news that risky sexual activity -- usually homosexual encounters on the down low -- have brought about a high rate of HIV infection in black male college students in North Carolina. And there is no reason to believe those statistics represent some anomaly limited to that state. If the same test were used in Georgia, a similar rate of infection could well appear among Atlanta's black college men.

Atlanta has a well-developed network of down low clubs and organizations, according to writer Benoit Denizet-Lewis, who profiled that milieu in several cities last year for The New York Times. "For young black men, Atlanta is the hub of the South, a city with unlimited possibilities, including a place in its vibrant DL scene," Denizet-Lewis wrote, describing "clubs, Web sites, Internet chat rooms, private parties and special nights at clubs" -- all of which are designed to allow closeted gay black men to meet each other. He also describes several of the young black men he met, including 31-year-old Rakeem:

" 'We know there are black gay rappers, black gay athletes, but they're all on the DL,' Rakeem says. 'If you're white, you can come out as any openly gay skier or actor or whatever. It might hurt you some, but it's not like if you're black and gay, because then it's like you've let down the whole black community, black women, black history, black pride.' "

Dr. Walter Massey, president of Atlanta's all-male, historically black Morehouse College, says he has encountered young men struggling with their sexual identities as they try to fit traditional roles. "Above all, black men are taught and raised to be . . . men, to raise families, to be fathers . . . be a leader in his community and in his home. Any black male who is seen not to fit that kind of role probably suffers a lot of identity problems," he said.

After an incident in 2002 in which a Morehouse student assaulted another for allegedly looking at him too long in a communal shower, Morehouse started reaching out to its openly gay students, as well as teaching tolerance to its larger student body, Massey said. But the school still struggles to develop programs for "that other group of students" who have sex with men but don't wish to be called gay. "This is a new area for us," he said.

But no support group or safe-sex counseling would do those young men as much good as broad acceptance of homosexuality. If black America doesn't let go its bigotry, it may end up sacrificing what W.E.B. DuBois called its talented tenth.


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1 posted on 03/13/2004 7:23:35 PM PST by mhking
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Black conservative ping

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2 posted on 03/13/2004 7:24:16 PM PST by mhking
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To: mhking
Cynthia Tucker: Blacks flee gays, can't flee AIDS

Cynthia you nitwit of course they can! It's real simple. Don't used drugs. Don't sleep around.

Works 99.99999999998% of the time.

3 posted on 03/13/2004 7:27:46 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proudly out of step with the majority since 1973)
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To: mhking
It is homophobia, such as that which he so proudly displayed, that promotes the spread of HIV.

And I thought all along it was unprotected anal sex...silly me. Didn't realize a way of thinking could give someone a disease...

4 posted on 03/13/2004 7:39:19 PM PST by ECM
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To: mhking
It is homophobia, such as that which he so proudly displayed, that promotes the spread of HIV.

And I thought all along it was unprotected anal sex...silly me. Didn't realize a way of thinking could give someone a disease...

5 posted on 03/13/2004 7:39:26 PM PST by ECM
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To: mhking
While black Americans account for only about 12 percent of the population, they account for about 54 percent of all new HIV infections.

Okay, but how many of those infections are related to homosexuality. I was aware that the HIV infection rate was higher in black america, but had always assumed it was because of poverty (can't afford condoms or something) and because a higher ratio of blacks live in cities. (isn't free love more common in cities? sorry, just small town prejudice, probably, but that's what I've heard)

6 posted on 03/13/2004 7:42:32 PM PST by sociotard (I am the one true Sociotard)
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To: mhking
"Above all, black men are taught and raised to be . . . men, to raise families, to be fathers . . . be a leader in his community and in his home. Any black male who is seen not to fit that kind of role probably suffers a lot of identity problems,"

Yeah, right. I guess that's the reason there are so few single mothers in the 'hood.

7 posted on 03/13/2004 7:51:12 PM PST by elmer fudd
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To: sociotard
There is a hidden habit of some black men to sleep with other men "on the down-low." They do not tell anyone about it because they did not see the need for anyone to know or see themselves as homosexual. They spread HIV to unknowing wives, girlfriends and their babies.

The author of this article is dumb to believe that anything would change if blacks were more accepting of the homosexual lifestyle.
8 posted on 03/13/2004 7:56:27 PM PST by Baby Bear
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To: mhking
The problem here is caused by the breakdown of the black family as originally caused by slavery and segregation. The government is not going to solve the out of wedlock birth rate and so on for black people. If anything, the government makes that problem worse.
9 posted on 03/13/2004 8:07:47 PM PST by rogueleader
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To: mhking
Acceptance of homosexuality won't cure aids, fact.
10 posted on 03/13/2004 8:11:41 PM PST by Trillian
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
"Cynthia you nitwit of course they can! It's real simple. Don't used drugs. Don't sleep around."

Need to be a bit more precise about how sleeping around is dangerous ... unprotected acts of sodomy with someone with AIDS gives you AIDS and will kill you. Dangers of heterosexual spread of AIDs were greatly inflated due to Political Correctness pressure to not get this labelled the 'gay disease'.

Indeed, Cynthia is a nitwit.



11 posted on 03/13/2004 8:22:22 PM PST by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com - Disturb, manipulate, demonstrate for the right thing)
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To: ECM
How can you ever hope to be a tolerant Liberal with such rigid fact-based logical thinking? tsk tsk.

If the facts make people feel bad, change the facts.

12 posted on 03/13/2004 8:24:12 PM PST by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com - Disturb, manipulate, demonstrate for the right thing)
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To: All
So Ms. Tucker is scolding African-Americans for not showing greater acceptance of gays. According to her logic, African-Americans must pay gay reparations.
13 posted on 03/13/2004 8:24:50 PM PST by Kuksool
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To: mhking
Anything written by Cynthia Tucker should be posted under humor.

Comedian Chris Tucker could write a better article than her.

14 posted on 03/13/2004 8:26:08 PM PST by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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To: Kuksool
Heh
15 posted on 03/13/2004 8:26:31 PM PST by Trillian
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To: Baby Bear
The author of this article is dumb to believe that anything would change if blacks were more accepting of the homosexual lifestyle.

This is Cynthia Tucker we're talking about here...
16 posted on 03/13/2004 8:29:07 PM PST by kenth
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To: mhking
If black America doesn't let go its bigotry, it may end up sacrificing what W.E.B. DuBois called its talented tenth.

Um, what the H was W.E.B. implying there?

17 posted on 03/13/2004 8:30:40 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: Trillian
Acceptance of homosexuality won't cure aids, fact.

You don't get it.

It's not acceptance of homosexuality as OK, it is acceptance that homosexuality exists, and in fact is fairly widespread among black males. And that they need to take measures to protect themselves and women in the black community who have no idea their men are living a double life, against the spread of AIDS.

18 posted on 03/13/2004 8:30:44 PM PST by Jorge
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To: rogueleader
breakdown of the black family as originally caused by slavery and segregation

The black family actually survived slavery and segregation fairly well. It was when the welfare state came and replaced the responsibility of the families (especially the fathers) to support and raise the kids with the government that everything fell apart. Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams have written extensively on this. The blame goes to FDR, LBJ and the poverty pimps running the modern civil rights movement.

19 posted on 03/13/2004 8:34:01 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer (I)
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To: WOSG
I try so hard sometimes, but I can never get it right...*sob*.

/sarcasm ;)
20 posted on 03/13/2004 8:45:37 PM PST by ECM
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To: WOSG
" . . . unprotected acts of sodomy with someone with AIDS gives you AIDS and will kill you. "

True, but sometimes unprotected heterosexual sex w/in the confines of marriage w/o one party knowing of the other's HIV status also gives you AIDS and will kill you. Of this, I personally know as it happened to someone very close to me. However, I understand that such scenarios probably represent a very tiny percentage of actual cases.

With respect to Cynthia's article, I reject her premise that it's black "homophobia" which is the cause of black men on the DL and the rise in HIV infections in the black community. Basically, she's saying that blacks who believe that homosexuality is a sin and should be discouraged are the cause. Blacks who believe such are basing their belief on the word of God and their Christian faith. Thus, Cynthia might as well be saying that Christianity is the cause of the rise in HIV infections in the black community. Just as that is absurd, so is her article.

21 posted on 03/13/2004 8:51:58 PM PST by Ganymede
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To: JohnBovenmyer
The teens are imitating blacks as "hip". TV and music
companies promote their culture too. Whatever is the lowest, most disgusting and stupid thing you can do is now acceptable behavior. Is it any wonder our society is self-distructing? I'm not surprised that blacks make up 54% of the AIDS, the males are most likely to be in prison and the females have a 85% illegitimacy rate. The black music alone is an eye opener to just how bad it is.
22 posted on 03/13/2004 8:55:58 PM PST by Cowgirl
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To: Ganymede
"I understand that such scenarios probably represent a very tiny percentage of actual cases."

That is exactly what Michael Fumento proved sometime back.

23 posted on 03/13/2004 8:57:31 PM PST by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com - Disturb, manipulate, demonstrate for the right thing)
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To: Cowgirl
The black music alone is an eye opener to just how bad it is.

It is bad, and it baffles me how this is tolerated in the black community. We are known to be very religious people, but one would not get any sense of that from the music, the movies, the promiscuity, the out-of-wedlock births, the crime . . . everything. I'm very confused by it all. Though I am pleased that the black community has not embraced homosexuality, will there soon be a day that that too shall come to pass?

24 posted on 03/13/2004 9:07:15 PM PST by Ganymede
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To: mhking
'If you're white, you can come out as any openly gay skier or actor or whatever.

He must have meant ice skater, or whatever.

25 posted on 03/13/2004 9:21:07 PM PST by budwiesest
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To: mhking
I will have to add the opposition to gay marriage to my list of reasons why blacks should vote GOP. One of the biggest problems in the inner city today is the lack of a father in the home and the breakdown of the marriage and family structure. Removing the welfare check, providing school vouchers for the children and becoming less religious-phobic will do wonders to repair this long term. Doing irreperable harm to the marriage unit will have a far more negative effect on the inner city family that needs it most than it will to a family such as mine that lives far from that environment. Once again, if for no other reasons, blacks should consider switching party registrations. It's elementary. It's not homophobia.
26 posted on 03/13/2004 10:15:13 PM PST by GmbyMan (Bush-Cheney 2004!)
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To: mhking
Sounds like Sin-thia is hearing some negative feedback about the attempts to link homosexual marriage to American Blacks and the Civil Rights movement. Will this cause Blacks to start voting Republican? Probably not, but it may keep some folks home on Election day. It may also cause minority voters to reflect on the negative effect the Left-Wing Democratic Party is having on the quality of life in this country.
27 posted on 03/13/2004 10:33:06 PM PST by pawdoggie
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To: mhking
Benoit Denizet-Lewis

Boston Magazine Defends Articles About Molestation

28 posted on 03/13/2004 10:54:39 PM PST by kcvl
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To: hellinahandcart
The Talented Tenth

W.E.B. DuBois
September 1903

The Negro race, like all races, is going to be saved by its exceptional men. The problem of education, then, among Negroes must first of all deal with the Talented Tenth; it is the problem of developing the Best of this race that they may guide the Mass away from the contamination and death of the Worst, in their own and other races. Now the training of men is a difficult and intricate task. Its technique is a matter for educational experts, but its object is for the vision of seers. If we make money the object of man-training, we shall develop money-makers but not necessarily men; if we make technical skill the object of education, we may possess artisans but not, in nature, men. Men we shall have only as we make manhood the object of the work of the schools — intelligence, broad sympathy, knowledge of the world that was and is, and of the relation of men to it — this is the curriculum of that Higher Education which must underlie true life. On this foundation we may build bread winning, skill of hand and quickness of brain, with never a fear lest the child and man mistake the means of living for the object of life.

If this be true — and who can deny it — three tasks lay before me; first to show from the past that the Talented Tenth as they have risen among American Negroes have been worthy of leadership; secondly to show how these men may be educated and developed; and thirdly to show their relation to the Negro problem.

The Talented Tenth

29 posted on 03/13/2004 11:01:20 PM PST by kcvl
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To: mhking
Given the hostility they face, black gays and lesbians are less likely than whites to come out of the closet, to form support groups or to seek counseling about safe sex

Even WITH all the support groups AND safe sex information, homosexual men are STILL dying of AIDS because thy continue the behavior that causes it! I'd venture to say that the VAST majority of HIV in the black population of the US is caused by dirty needles and unprotected heterosexual sex.; exactly what the problem is in Africa.

30 posted on 03/13/2004 11:07:50 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
It is ALWAYS somebody else's fault, ALWAYS, according to liberals.
31 posted on 03/13/2004 11:10:51 PM PST by kcvl
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To: SuziQ
I'd venture to say that the VAST majority of HIV in the black population of the US is caused by dirty needles and unprotected heterosexual sex.; exactly what the problem is in Africa.

Sorry but the statistics show otherwise. The highest percentage of new HIV infections in the homosexual community are among gay black men even though they are a minority population.

Likewise the highest percentage of new HIV infections in the heterosexual community are among blacks even though they are the minority.

Please don't tell me these two stats are totally unrelated.
Common sense tells us that homosexual activity among black males is crossing over into the "hetero" community because we have so many closet gays.

32 posted on 03/13/2004 11:22:08 PM PST by Jorge
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To: mhking
It is now also a killer, keeping black gays in the closet and contributing to the rise of HIV.

Yeah. Sure. Go to Cleveland Heights. They're not in the closet there. Or come down here to Dallas and go over to the Oak Lawn area. They're not in the closet over there, either.

White, black, purple, whatever.


Show 'em my motto!

33 posted on 03/13/2004 11:30:47 PM PST by rdb3 (The Servant of Jehovah is the Christ of Calvary and of the empty tomb. <><)
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To: kcvl
Ah. Thank you.

So it's actually Cynthia Tucker who seems to be implying that the Talented Tenth are all gay.
34 posted on 03/14/2004 3:55:04 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: JohnBovenmyer; rogueleader
It was when the welfare state came and replaced the responsibility of the families (especially the fathers) to support and raise the kids with the government that everything fell apart. Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams have written extensively on this. The blame goes to FDR, LBJ and the poverty pimps running the modern civil rights movement.
Predominantly LBJ and his "Great Society" program.
Ask yourself, how could government create a "great society" without first being "great" itself? Clearly, LBJ was actually promising a "great government." But if he had put it that way, I hope even liberalism-besotted Democrats of 1964 would have smelled a rat; saying "society" when you mean "government" is an evasion of the meaning of "liberal" ideology.

Liberals always mean "government" when they say "society." It is so ingrained in the liberal "thought" pattern that they actually don't notice the difference between the two words. In fact of course, a government which totally subsumes society, which allows no difference between the two, is the dream of tyrants and slave masters. A program to merge the two is not a promise to society but a deadly threat to freedom.

To Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell I would, in this context, add the book on the Great Society, Losing Ground. It shows the Great Society Catastrophe in economic statistical charts. It marks, for example, the particular year that a statistically measurable portion of black teens made the fatal choice of a dole over the discipline of a job which would have made an important contribution to their community and to their own future. Without the Great Society, Al Sharpton would have become a rich used-car dealer, and the country would have been the better for it.

Those statistics show that blacks would have been ahead of the game if the Great Society had never happened - and if you look at successful Republican progams of subsequent years, they mostly have been retrenchments of the Great Society.


35 posted on 03/14/2004 4:19:27 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (Belief in your own objectivity is the essence of subjectivity.)
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To: mhking
I can remember back around 1984, when white gays made a (rather maudlin) outreach to black churches and civil rights groups, asking them to support gay lobbying for more government attention to the AIDS crisis (which would, inevitably, have siphoned some money away from black-oriented interests such as urban renewal). The various black spokesmen got all huffy about squandering their time and energy for something that was of interest only to "sissy white boys".

That was before the transmission of AIDS via unprotected hetero sex and heroin needles was publicized. By 1990 AIDS was a major killer in the non-gay black population.

In Washington, DC, circa 1990, the municipal AIDS clinic was the subject of an ugly fight. The directorship was given to a high-ranking member of Farrakhan's Nation of Islam, who immediately ceased all favorable reference to medically approved treatments such as AZT and instead touted the "Afro-centric" quack potion called Kemron. After a few years of that, virtually all the clinic's constitutients were dead and new AIDS patients wouldn't come near it.

36 posted on 03/14/2004 4:35:53 AM PST by DonQ
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To: mhking
The article overlooks the cultural loathing blacks have for condoms.
37 posted on 03/14/2004 5:01:36 AM PST by newzjunkey (Send Dick Murphy packing; Ron Roberts for Mayor.)
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To: hellinahandcart
Here you go: Talented Tenth (1903), concept espoused by black educator and author W.E.B. Du Bois, emphasizing the necessity for higher education to develop the leadership capacity among the most able 10 percent of American Negroes. Du Bois was one of a number of black intellectuals who feared that what they saw as the overemphasis on industrial training (as evidenced, for example, by the plan proposed by Booker T. Washington in the 1895 Atlanta Compromise, q.v.) would confine blacks permanently to the ranks of second-class citizenship. In order to achieve political and civil equality, Du Bois stressed the importance of educating Negro teachers, professional men, ministers, and spokesmen, who would earn their special privileges by dedicating themselves to "leavening the lump" and "inspiring the masses." The phrase Talented Tenth first appeared in Du Bois' The Negro Problem (New York, 1903).

Source

38 posted on 03/14/2004 5:05:43 AM PST by newzjunkey (Send Dick Murphy packing; Ron Roberts for Mayor.)
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To: newzjunkey
Got it. But is anyone else seeing what I'm seeing in Cynthis Tucker's last paragraph?:

But no support group or safe-sex counseling would do those young men as much good as broad acceptance of homosexuality. If black America doesn't let go its bigotry, it may end up sacrificing what W.E.B. DuBois called its talented tenth.

Does she think the "Talented Tenth" are all closet homos or something? I can't figure this woman out.

(I have the same trouble with a lot of her articles, but especially this one. What do you MEAN here, Cynthia?)

39 posted on 03/14/2004 5:19:47 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart
But the school still struggles to develop programs for "that other group of students" who have sex with men but don't wish to be called gay.

I'd have trouble developing a program for people who are in complete denial, too.

40 posted on 03/14/2004 5:23:10 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: newzjunkey
The article overlooks the cultural loathing blacks have for condoms.

Please elablorate and explain. What "cultural loathing?"

I have seen no such "loathing."

41 posted on 03/14/2004 5:43:08 AM PST by mhking
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To: WOSG
Need to be a bit more precise about how sleeping around is dangerous ... unprotected acts of sodomy with someone with AIDS gives you AIDS and will kill you. Dangers of heterosexual spread of AIDs were greatly inflated due to Political Correctness pressure to not get this labelled the 'gay disease'.

I stand by what I originally said. Promiscuity will kill you. Gay or switchhitter men are more promiscuous and more likely to engage in "risky" sex but if you have a hetro population that engages in the same type of behaviors then their chances of getting the disease rises as well.

To their credit the hetro population does not engage in these types of behaviors as a general rule. If you compare the average number of partners gay men have 42.8 sexual partners with a much smaller pool of potential partners to select from. Hetro men have an average of 16.5 sexual partners with a much larger pool from which to select. Just on sheer numbers AIDS is going to be more likely in the gay population. Add in other risky sexually behaviors and the likelihood just shot through the roof.

Not to mention that AIDS is not the only deadly STD out there. The others have kill rates of less then 100% but they can still kill you. And then there are the lovely ones that won't kill you but you will definitely die with them. And getting one of those increases your chances of getting AIDS.

So, no qualifiers are needed. Don't sleep around. Don't do drugs. Don't get AIDS.

42 posted on 03/14/2004 9:11:24 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proudly out of step with the majority since 1973)
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To: little jeremiah
Ping


What We Can Do To Help Defeat the "Gay" Agenda


Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Version 1.1)


The Stamp of Normality

43 posted on 03/14/2004 11:48:52 AM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping.

This woman is an embarrassment to her race, her parents, her ancestors, her sex, her generation, her institute of higher learning, her profession, her species, her nationality, and her planet.

Note this gem of wisdom:

"But no support group or safe-sex counseling would do those young men as much good as broad acceptance of homosexuality." Or, in her world, making same sex sodomy mandatory.

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.
44 posted on 03/14/2004 7:11:31 PM PST by little jeremiah (...men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: mhking
cynthia really screws the pooch in this article.
first, she asserts conclusively that intolerance forces gbm to keep themselves closeted... leading to high hiv infection rates.
then... she flips 180 and states that cities where gbm are free to congregate and couple are significant contributers to the same phenomenon.
can she never make up her feeble mind???
45 posted on 03/14/2004 7:36:54 PM PST by King Prout (MECCA ET MEDINA DELENDAE SUNT!)
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To: mhking
Dr. Walter Massey, president of Atlanta's all-male, historically black Morehouse College, says he has encountered young men struggling with their sexual identities as they try to fit traditional roles. "Above all, black men are taught and raised to be . . . men, to raise families, to be fathers . . . be a leader in his community and in his home. Any black male who is seen not to fit that kind of role probably suffers a lot of identity problems," he said.

um... sorry, I don't see any evidence suggesting that this ideal is the single or chief predominant male model in American Black subculture.

Lots of evidence to the contrary, that I DO see.

While there are plenty of black men who do fit this bill to a T, there are a hella many who do not - evidenced by the rampant criminality, extramarital breeding, absenteeism from their parental duty, slothfulness, etc... unavoidably evident to even the most casual of honest observers.

Ugly, but so far as I can see: truth.

Building a pleasing fantasy about black culture does not aid any honest effort to come to terms with the problems hindering that culture.

46 posted on 03/14/2004 7:45:17 PM PST by King Prout (MECCA ET MEDINA DELENDAE SUNT!)
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To: mhking
She wants acceptance from the black community because she is a lesbian, and if african-americans knew she was she would not be accepted.

It's GOOD that Black America does not accept homosexuality.
47 posted on 03/14/2004 8:05:57 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband (Borders, Language, Culture, Straights - now more than ever)
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To: mhking
More importantly how does he/she know this!
48 posted on 03/14/2004 8:11:18 PM PST by cyborg (In die begin het God die hemel en die aarde geskape.)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
It's GOOD that Black America does not accept homosexuality.

You missed the entire point.
It isn't a question of accepting homosexuality as good or right, it's about accepting the fact that it exists and is quite widespread in the black community.
Their leaders need to drop their denials and start addressing the risks and perhaps save a few lives.

49 posted on 03/14/2004 8:15:05 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Jorge; Trillian
Acceptance of homosexuality won't cure aids, fact.

You don't get it.

It's not acceptance of homosexuality as OK, it is acceptance that homosexuality exists, and in fact is fairly widespread among black males. And that they need to take measures to protect themselves and women in the black community who have no idea their men are living a double life, against the spread of AIDS.

No, you don't get it, and neither does she. Her own words contradict her claim that she is talking about homosexuality.

"And black women are 23 times more likely to have AIDS than white women. Just a few years ago, researchers discovered a primary reason for that alarming statistic: black men who engage in homosexual activity secretly -- or 'on the down low' -- while continuing to sleep with their wives or girlfriends, who are then vulnerable to infection."

If you're a switch-hitter, by definition, you're not a homosexual. After all, haven't gays told us a million times, that if you're gay, you feel no attraction to women? Oops -- but at other times, they count bisexuals as gay -- the "gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered community." Since Tucker is a political ally of gays, she plays similar rhetorical games.

I can just see a black man telling his lady, "I also sleep with men, so I'm going to use a condom whenever we have sex, because I want to protect you." She'd have the police ushering him out of the apartment before you could say, "Cynthia!"

A central aspect that Tucker refuses to face, that involves both black men BECOMING bisexual, and often their contracting HIV, is their experiences getting raped in prison.

50 posted on 03/14/2004 10:16:45 PM PST by mrustow
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