Kerry camp hiring 'assassin'? (Man who plotted murder of congressmen offered job)

World Net Daily ^ | March 15th, 2004

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A Vietnam veteran who plotted to kill members of Congress in 1971 is reportedly ready to accept a position working in the presidential campaign of John Kerry.

Leaders of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, including John Kerry, debated a plot to assassinate congressmen in November 1971, according to a report in the New York Sun.

The Kerry campaign denies the senator and presidential candidate was present at the meeting, saying he quit the organization prior to the heated session in Kansas City, Nov. 12-15, 1971.

However, Randy Barnes of Missouri Veterans for Kerry, disputes that account. Barnes participated in the meeting and he says Kerry, then 27, was at the meeting, voted against the plot and then resigned from the organization. According to the Sun report, another Vietnam vet who attended the meeting, Terry Du-Bose, agreed that Kerry was there.

That the VVAW debated killing members of Congress is not a new revelation. The plot was reported in Gerald Nicosia's 2001 book, "Home To War," that one of the key leaders of the organization, Scott Camil, "proposed the assassination of the most hard-core conservative members of Congress, as well as any other powerful, intractable opponents of the antiwar movement." The book reports on the Kansas City meeting at which Camil's plan was debated and then voted down.

In a cover blurb on the book, Kerry said it "ties together the many threads of a difficult period." Kerry hosted a party for the book in the Hart Senate Office Building that was televised on C-SPAN, according to the Sun.

Camil, never prosecuted for the plot, plans to accept an offer by the Florida Kerry organization to become active in the presidential campaign, according to the report. Camil's plot, involving eight to 10 Marines, targeted the Southern senatorial leadership including John Stennis, Strom Thurmond and John Tower.

Kerry's service in Vietnam and his activities after the war have become a major source of controversy – especially with other Vietnam veterans.

Last week, one of his crew members accused him of cowardice and making strategic mistakes in battle. The testimony of Steven Gardner, a gunner's mate on the first patrol boat commanded by Kerry in the Mekong delta, contradicts accounts of the senator's military career that depict him as a brave and aggressive lieutenant who won three Purple Hearts.

"He absolutely did not want to engage the enemy when I was with him,'' Gardner said in an interview with the Boston Globe. "He wouldn't go in there and search. That is why I have a negative viewpoint of John Kerry."

Gardner has refused to join the tight-knit group of Vietnam veterans who are passionately supporters of their former comrade's White House bid.

Kerry is said to be "angry'' about the slur.

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[Sabertooth]

FYI

[Dante3]

bttt

[rface]

also a Kansas City Star article from Friday??

'71 anti-war session: Was Kerry in KC?

[OXENinFLA]

I heard on C-span this morning that they put together Kerry's April 1971 testimony and will be airing it next SUN (3-21)

[Jewels1091]

Wonder how old I'll be before the "main media" reports this???

[Fiddlstix]

[petitfour]

What stopped the "assassin" from carrying out his plot? Stennis and Thurmond lived to be rather old. John Tower died in a plane crash in 1991ish. Who else was on the list????

[doug from upland]

Legs???

[The Wizard]

bttt

[The Wizard]

bttt

[concerned about politics]

A Vietnam veteran who plotted to kill members of Congress in 1971 is reportedly ready to accept a position working in the presidential campaign of John Kerry.
........"proposed the assassination of the most hard-core conservative members of Congress, as well as any other powerful, intractable opponents of the antiwar movement."

BUMP

Kerry involved in a little arkansaside plot, aye? This is outright left wing fascism ( and the new Socialist leader in Spain has endorsed Kerry. Coincidence? I think not!)
Kerry -- once an anti-American , still an anti-American !!!

[GalaxieFiveHundred]

The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree...

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[concerned about politics]

The Kerry campaign denies the senator and presidential candidate was present at the meeting

And Clinton did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky. Never, not ever.

[GalaxieFiveHundred]

The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree...

[concerned about politics]

Kerry is said to be "angry'' about the slur.

The truth hurts. Live with it.

[mountaineer]

The Kerry campaign denies the senator and presidential candidate was present at the meeting, saying he quit the organization prior to the heated session in Kansas City, Nov. 12-15, 1971. However, Randy Barnes of Missouri Veterans for Kerry, disputes that account

Hey, Randy, your boy's a liar, isn't he? Maybe it's time to join Vietnam Veterans Against Kerry.

[GalaxieFiveHundred]

If one post is good, posting it again must be even better.

[Republicus2001]

I hate national socialism

[Bedford Forrest]

"Stennis and Thurmond lived to be rather old."

Stennis was shot and severely wounded in 1973, in Washington, very soon after the referenced time period. I think he never recovered from the shooting and retired soon afterward.

[FourtySeven]

bumpity

[Sabertooth]

I hadn't seen this connection to Camil before, though it may have already been posted:

"I think those of us who voted for [Nader] in 2000 learned our lesson," said Scott Camil, a Green Party organizer from Gainesville who is backing Kerry. "There's too much at stake this year to vote with your heart and not your head."
Ingredients from 2000 back in Florida mix
State once again may hold keys to the White House
Toby Eckert | COPLEY NEWS SERVICE | March 8th, 2004

[concerned about politics]

I hate national socialism

Socialism is the prelude to Communism. You'd think Spain would have learned a lesson form Hitler and WWII.
Their government schools must be like ours. Keep history silent so it WILL repeat itself.

[tutstar]

bttt

[petitfour]

Stennis was shot? That's news to me. Trent Lott took Stennis' seat in the 80s.

[talleyman]

Well, they have to do this to counteract the "Republican Attack Machine", doncha know? </disgust>

- Proud member, R.A.M.

[petitfour]

Here's a bio of Senator Stennis. He did indeed suffer a gunshot wound in 1973.

http://www.stennis.gov/senatorpage.htm

[dalebert]

Agree. Just how close are Kerry's terrorist ties? Seems like Spains bomb attack was timed perfectly to help a political party with a very large Muslim voting block.

[Blood of Tyrants]

Scott Camil, "proposed the assassination of the most hard-core conservative members of Congress, as well as any other powerful, intractable opponents of the antiwar movement."

Camil, never prosecuted for the plot, plans to accept an offer by the Florida Kerry organization to become active in the presidential campaign,

The DNC doesn't punish traitors, they reward them.

[monocle]

The media is like the Berlin Wall it keeps what it believes is dangerous to its liberal bias out of sight of the public. The media has erected its wall between those seeking public office and the voters, i.e. Dan Rather's gatekeeper rationale. Except for the occasional televised townhall meeting, the media does all the questioning at press conferences and the debates. All avenues for the average voter to question candidates in a televised or widely publicized audience have been foreclosed by the media. Is it any wonder that big media was such a enormous supporter of campaign finance reform?

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Thirty-three years ago this winter, more than a hundred Vietnam War veterans from around the United States gathered at a Howard Johnson hotel in Detroit's New Center.

In a second-floor ballroom, before an audience of hundreds of long-haired youths and conservatively dressed older people, the vets confessed to atrocities they claimed to have witnessed or committed in Vietnam, where hundreds of people on both sides still were dying each week.

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Scott Camil of Gainesville, Fla., said in a recent interview that his own testimony surprised him. Camil, a former member of the 1st Marine Division, attracted considerable attention at the event by testifying that U.S. soldiers cut off ears of dead Vietnamese, raped women and eviscerated prisoners.

Winter Solider "changed me from being for the war to being against the war," Camil said.
WINTER SOLDIER: John Kerry's turning point
JIM SCHAEFER | March 2, 2004

[doug from upland]

I just spoke to Toby Eckert. He is now going to look into the background of Camil. Thanks for linking his article.

[OXENinFLA]

Let's hope so.

[OXENinFLA]

Scott Camil

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#342

I posted these the other day. I can't believe this guy is working for Kerry. I wonder how much he's getting paid?

[EQAndyBuzz]

Moveon.org along. Nothing to see here.

[Eva]

John Tower died in a plane crash in 1991ish. Who else was on the list????

I hope that wasn't the same plane crash which killed John Heinz, two weeks after he gave a speech, ridiculing John Kerry for the two letters that Kerry had written to a constituent espousing opposite stands on the Gulf war.

[patriciamary]

Can the president demand airtime? Why not talk plainly and simply directly yo the people Fire side chats????

[patriciamary]

Can the president demand airtime? Why not talk plainly and simply directly yo the people Fire side chats????

[Saundra Duffy]

Unbelievable

[petitfour]

It wasn't. The Tower crash occurred either a day before or a day after the Heinz crash. The landing gear on Heinz plane was not functioning properly. A helicopter was dispatched to look at it, and the two bumped, which led to the crash.

Did Kerry run for POTUS in 1992?????

[patriciamary]

Sorry for my spelling to the people

[Celtjew Libertarian]

I live in the same city as Camil and did not know this about him.

I'll add this note... My wife's ex-boyfriend is a Vietnam Vet, who considered joining VVAW, until he met Camil. Camil spooked him, not just out of being an anti-war activist, but out of the political left altogether (though not to the right).

[Graymatter]

Well, yeah, I would say having a would-be assassin on your campaign payroll is a bit over the top, but, that's just me. I'm a conservative.
And besides, it's Kerry's call. He'll just change his mind.

[monocle]

You missed my point. I am concerned about the silenced voice of the average voter. Politicians, including the President, will present a picture most favorable to their point of view.

[Sabertooth]

1972. A decorated Marine, Scott Camil was a leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. Richard Nixon's Justice Department hauled Scott and other vets before a grand jury, and then, just as they were about to protest at the Republican convention, indicted some of them - the Gainesville Eight - for conspiring to violently disrupt it. The case ended in an acquittal without the presentation of a defense.
Human Constitutional Rights Watch

Throughout the interview, Landers is able to remain calm and somewhat detached, and avoids getting emotionally involved to the extent of sacrificing objectivity as a result of the shocking nature of Camil’s often graphic testimony. This skill is epitomized by his reaction to Camil’s explanation of an alternative to symbolically throwing away medals during a march on Washington.Camil prefaces the plan by saying that it is something he has never told anyone before, and “I did not think it was terrible at the time. My plan was that, on the last day…we would go into the [congressional] offices…we would schedule the most hard-core hawks for last-and we would shoot them all.” L: “Were you serious about this?” C: “I was serious. I felt that I spent two years killing women and children in their own fucking homes. These are the guys that fucking made the policy, and these were the guys that were responsible for it, and these were the guys that were voting to continue the fucking war when the public was against it. I felt that if we really believed in what we were doing, and if we were willing to put our lives on the line for the country over there, we should be willing to put our lives on the line for the country over here."”
Scott Camil and the Gainesville Eight - oral history analysis
Rebecca Brown | February 5th, 2000
Interview with Scott Camil, conducted by Stuart Landers on October 20, 1992
Transcript of interview located in University of Florida Oral History Archive

Nowadays protesting the sorry state of the society in songs isn't necesarrily a strong selling point. But as an artist Graham feels obligated to express things that perhaps his audience would like to say, but can't. On Wild Tales, "Oh Camil (The Winter Soldier)" tells the story of Scott Camil, an American gung-ho soldier, a Vietnam War hero, who eventually became a leader in the Vietnam Vets Against the War, Graham had done a benefit in Detroit for the VVAW which raised money to make the film, "Winter Soldier" in which Graham saw the story of Scott Camil.
Graham Nash: Tales behind 'Wild Tales'
Lorraine Alterman | Rolling Stone Magazine | March 28th, 1974

Oh Camil, tell me how do you feel?
You fought for your country
for God and for war,
now your heart tells you that can't be real.
So you tell me your story from beginning to end
all the blood and the guts and the gore
will you tell all the people
'bout the people you killed,
not for God, but for country and war?

Oh! Camil, tell me what did you mother say,
when you left those people out in the fields,
rotting along with the hay?
Did you show her your medals?
Did you show her your guns?
Did you show her the ears that you wore?
Did you show her a picture of the people you killed
not for God, but for country and war?

Oh! Camil, tell me why are you in this place?
When you stood up for justice your country replied
by throwing it back in your face.
When you tell me your story
are you making amends for all of the hatred you saw?
Will you tell all the people about the people that cry out for God
not for country or war?
OH CAMIL (THE WINTER SOLDIER) LYRICS
Graham Nash

[OXENinFLA]

Check this out.(Not sure if this is connected to KERRY directly.)

http://kerry2004.meetup.com

"Kerry in 2004 Meetups can happen in up to 612 cities worldwide on the same day. Enter your location to find the one near you:"

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Why would he have WORLDWIDE meetups????
Some of the towns have user posts. Check out France.

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And then there's this.

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http://kerry2004.meetup.com/agenda/

[NYCVirago]

Gardner has refused to join the tight-knit group of Vietnam veterans who are passionately supporters of their former comrade's White House bid. Kerry is said to be "angry'' about the slur.

Gardner lost his job the day after Time magazine published his comments and place of employment. His former employer, believe it or not, said it was just "a weird coincidence" that this happened. Of course, this story has not been covered by the mainsteam media. Can you imagine what the outcry would be if somebody attacked Bush and was fired the very next day?

[Ann Archy]

"Terrorists for Kerry" Bump!

[ravingnutter]

The Kansas City report linked above says Randy Barnes has backed away from his story somewhat...BUT provides another witness.

John Musgrave said he attended the fall 1971 meeting in Kansas City, his first Vietnam Veterans Against the War session as Kansas state coordinator. He said he remembered Kerry attending as well.

So is that two or three witnesses? I guess only his hairdresser still knows for sure...ah, well, at least it is making the media rounds.