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Ferret: why I'm alarmed by FR & will never post here ever again (except for my 9 replies & counting)
Originally posted elsewhere ^ | 2004-03-08 | Michael Joseph McCarthy

Posted on 03/16/2004 4:38:03 AM PST by bicycle thug

Edited on 03/16/2004 5:17:47 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

Mod update: To put this "opus" in perspective, some additional information compliments of a thorough FReeper, dighton.

From a Kerry in 2004 Meetup page, via google cache:

bicyclethug (Eugene, OR)

I am Michael Joseph McCarthy, well known forest activist in Eugene, Oregon who ran against Scott Meisner for City Council last election. I am a Member of the Pacific Green Party who wants this scoundrel in office now thrown out.

72 posted on 03/16/2004 5:05:43 AM PST by dighton


Begin "opus":

Fascism in Free Republic manifests itself as extreme ideology that celebrates themselves as solely representing the nation as an organic community transcending all other loyalties. It emphasizes a myth of national rebirth after a period of decline or destruction. Liberalism is the prime keyword to represent the "problem" group causing the "decay and disruption of "proper" American life.

The FR reminds me of the typical fascist call for a "spiritual revolution" against signs of moral decay such as individualism and materialism, and calls to purge "alien" forces and groups that threaten the organic community. Fascism tends to celebrate masculinity, mystical unity, and the regenerative power of violence. Often, but not always, it promotes racial superiority doctrines, ethnic persecution, imperialist expansion, and genocide. At the same time, fascists may embrace a form of internationalism based on either racial or ideological solidarity across national boundaries. Usually fascism espouses open male supremacy, though sometimes it may also promote female solidarity and new opportunities for women of the privileged nation or race.

FR's call to purge Liberalism and to install a conservative only lifestyle in these United States is not realistic under the auspices of the U.S. Constitution which is designed for all groups of all types and classes to be protected from the domination and authority of the dominant group.

The FR calls for the establishment of a dominant group - their brand of Conservatives - that keeps all the others in line including conservatives "who don't think right on various topics. The virtual community has degenerated into a witch hunt for any and all "untrue thinkers," who must be purged at all costs.

FR's approach to politics is both populist--in that it seeks to activate "the people" as a whole against perceived oppressors or enemies - and elitist - in that it treats the people's will as embodied in a select group, or often one prime iconic leader whose authority flows downward only. FR, in typical Fascist style seeks to organize a cadre-led mass movement in a drive to seize state power. It seeks to forcibly subordinate all spheres of society to its ideological vision of what a community is, and the end result of their game is totalitarianism, pure and simple.

Both as a movement and a regime, fascism uses mass organizations as a system of integration and control, and uses organized violence to suppress opposition, although the scale of violence varies widely. FReepers unethically disrupts polls, hacks and disrupts other sites, and uses real or perceived disruption by others of their site as a rallying point to drive home a wedge between them and any group not belonging to the FReeper movement to reshape America.

Fascism is hostile to Marxism, liberalism, and even true conservatism, yet it borrows concepts and practices from all three. Jim Rob's blend of conservatism and use as advocacy of George W. Bush to insure that the right thinkers who know how to follow orders stay on board builds an obedience and cohesion to central authority. He wishes to create an entity that can influence people like Bush to fall into sync with his goals by offering an effective vehicle to mobilize and control people on the grass roots level as he has proved to people like the President that he indeed can do things like galvanize and grow the Klamath water rights for farmers issue.

JimRob is shrewd, he wishes to influence those in higher office and at the same time remold the electorate into a cohesive force that can roll over any group that gets in it's way in a very unconstitutional fashion.

The FR exploits real grievances against capitalists and landowners through ethnic (or in the Free Republic's case the classic homosexual wedge issue) scapegoating or radical- sounding conspiracy theories. They reject the liberal doctrines of individual autonomy and rights, political pluralism, and representative government, yet it advocates broad popular participation in politics and may use parliamentary channels in its drive to power.

Its vision of a "new order" clashes with the conservative attachment to tradition-based institutions and hierarchies, and much like fascism, they often romanticizes the past as inspiration for national rebirth.

Fascism always has had a complex relationship with established elites and the non-fascist right much like the FR does. It strives to be not a mere puppet of the ruling class, but an autonomous movement with its own social base. In practice, they defend capitalism against instability and the left, but also they pursue an agenda that sometimes clashes with capitalist interests in significant ways.

I have watched and studied the FR with going horror as this culture has grown more malignant and horrifying over the years. Any and all peoples and nations are vulnerable to the disease of fascism, and thought I am sure JimRob and company started with the best of intentions, over the years they have cognitively grown more hostile and unreasonable to anyone not of an elite brand of FReeper. The road to fascism is so incremental it sneaks in and decades later people always wonder how the heck it happened. And it is happening at that particular virtual community, make no mistake about it.

I have always wanted to see the FR grow up. Journalism in these United States was reactionary and lacked accountability in the early years of our nation and as it evolved it was forced to grow up. I want the FR to flourish and to grow up ethically and responsibly, with a measure of respect and empathy for those other groups that blend with them to form our great nation.

But it hasn't, and it has grown into an entity quite alarming. If FReepers care and act now, they can take back a precious jewel of a forum bought and paid for by them that fills an important need in their lives.

If this doesn't happen, we will crush the FR and remove it like a malignant tumor before it destroys what we collectively hold dear; The United States of America as we know it with our Constitution as is works now with it's checks and balances there to prevent Fascist and totalitarian entities from taking us and the world on the road to incredible destruction and human misery.

. This is a critically important topic, and people have leadership and intuitive skills that can either debunk me, or develop tools to reform FR and make it responsible and ethical as it should be. I don't hate and nurse disdain for the Free Republic, I deeply care and want the best for FReepers. And it hurts deeply and horribly to articulate my thoughts and fears here, as FReepers are indeed special people who do not deserve to be used, and to have bad things happen to them, or to be manipulated to cause bad things to happen to others.

Peace, and respect to all.


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As Jim says, "FReepers are the greatest." Ironically, they deserve better than what he would inflict on them.

I dare you to zot this one, my bet is that you don't have the nerve to. ;-)

It's been fun all these years, my best wishes and love to you all. Warm Regards, Mike McCarthy, (AKA 'ferret,' my original FReeper account name)

1 posted on 03/16/2004 4:38:04 AM PST by bicycle thug
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To: bicycle thug
We'll miss you.
2 posted on 03/16/2004 4:40:43 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Diversity isn't about diversity)
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To: bicycle thug
Drama Queen
3 posted on 03/16/2004 4:41:25 AM PST by MJY1288 (Can't Blame Bush for Negative Ad's, When There's Nothing Positive To Say About John Kerry)
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To: bicycle thug
Get on your bike and peddle your ass on out of here.
4 posted on 03/16/2004 4:41:56 AM PST by DefCon
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To: bicycle thug
OK, thanks. We'll keep this in mind.
5 posted on 03/16/2004 4:42:04 AM PST by Lead Moderator
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To: bicycle thug
Thug...You have not a clue.
6 posted on 03/16/2004 4:42:23 AM PST by cynicom
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To: bicycle thug
and calls to purge "alien" forces and groups that threaten the organic community.

I want to purge Criminals who have broken the law.
That's all. Criminals need to be dealt with or anarchy will prevail.
7 posted on 03/16/2004 4:42:43 AM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: bicycle thug
FBI getting a little close on the ol' ELF trail heh?

Hate to see you go, freepmail if you change names and come back.

8 posted on 03/16/2004 4:42:44 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: bicycle thug
I couldn't bother to read your drivel, but best of luck to you. I hope you'll reconsider.
9 posted on 03/16/2004 4:43:44 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: bicycle thug
FR's call to purge Liberalism

NO, we are purging usefull idiots
10 posted on 03/16/2004 4:43:56 AM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: bicycle thug
Martyr Mantle Minion
11 posted on 03/16/2004 4:43:56 AM PST by Neets (I now know Him in a more personal way that I have. It is as it was " Jim Caviezel)
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To: bicycle thug
CRY BABY ALERT!!!!!!!
12 posted on 03/16/2004 4:43:58 AM PST by Moby Grape
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To: bicycle thug
Yer a looney.
13 posted on 03/16/2004 4:44:37 AM PST by dasboot
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To: bicycle thug

14 posted on 03/16/2004 4:44:45 AM PST by Jaxter ("Guys like John Kerry spit on guys like meI've been waiting 33 years to spit back.")
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To: bicycle thug
don't let the screensaver hit you on the way out!
15 posted on 03/16/2004 4:45:08 AM PST by Coachm
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To: sauropod
come here.
16 posted on 03/16/2004 4:45:16 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: cynicom
Thug would have us believe that the political spectrum from "liberal to statism" is all sweetness and light. I hope as we descend into statism that thug is there to enjoy his desires.
17 posted on 03/16/2004 4:45:26 AM PST by cynicom
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To: bicycle thug
Give my regards to Usenet.
18 posted on 03/16/2004 4:46:19 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Bush kills terrorists. Clinton pardons them. John Al-Qerry will apologize to them.)
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To: bicycle thug
Would a fascist site leave your drivel thread up?

Short answer: Nope.

Aufwiedesehen.

19 posted on 03/16/2004 4:46:24 AM PST by Coop ("Hero" is the last four-letter word I'd use to describe John Kerry)
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To: bicycle thug
we will crush the FR and remove it like a malignant tumor

Peace, and respect to all

Sad to see a good FReeper gone bad. LOL

20 posted on 03/16/2004 4:46:39 AM PST by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: bicycle thug
That's right we're all alike... every one of us. No individuals here, just evil fascists. Yawn... have you checked out DU?
21 posted on 03/16/2004 4:47:05 AM PST by rhombus
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22 posted on 03/16/2004 4:47:07 AM PST by Bubba_Leroy
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To: bicycle thug
Get your feelings hurt, did ya?
23 posted on 03/16/2004 4:47:16 AM PST by shezza (Got Ultrakonservativen?)
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To: bicycle thug
FReepers are indeed special people who do not deserve to be used,

I feel so ashamed, everybody uses me. Now what kind of compensation can you offer me or do I have to get my lawyer.
24 posted on 03/16/2004 4:48:14 AM PST by boxerblues (Trolls...give em another brain and it would get lonesome as the one they got ain't worth a d@mn)
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To: MJY1288
Hey, this reads a lot like that drivelous article from the Globe by Carrol a few posts ago. Same guy? Same disease.
25 posted on 03/16/2004 4:48:20 AM PST by dasboot
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To: bicycle thug
With all due respect, I wish you well where ever you are going. But once you get there, please study up on Fascism. You don't have clue #1 as to what it is.
26 posted on 03/16/2004 4:48:38 AM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: bicycle thug
we will crush the FR

Who's "we" ferret???

27 posted on 03/16/2004 4:48:40 AM PST by RedWing9 (No tag here... Just want to stay vague...)
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To: bicycle thug; Carry_Okie; hellinahandcart
I see you are up to your old tricks again.

How's that treesitting gig going?

28 posted on 03/16/2004 4:48:53 AM PST by sauropod (I intend to have Red Kerry choke on his past.)
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To: bicycle thug
Well, you will have more time at your booth during the Star Trek Convention season.
29 posted on 03/16/2004 4:49:28 AM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: bicycle thug
Journalism in these United States was reactionary and lacked accountability in the early years of our nation and as it evolved it was forced to grow up.

Hmm.

30 posted on 03/16/2004 4:49:28 AM PST by A. Pole (<SARCASM> The genocide of Albanians was stopped in its tracks before it began.</S>)
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To: bicycle thug

31 posted on 03/16/2004 4:49:45 AM PST by The G Man (John Kerry? America just can't afford a 9/10 President in a 9/11 world. Vote Bush-Cheney '04.)
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To: bicycle thug
BTW, you don't even know what fascism means.
32 posted on 03/16/2004 4:50:01 AM PST by sauropod (I intend to have Red Kerry choke on his past.)
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To: bicycle thug
Darn you, JimRob for nefariously leading/driving all us sheep into (gasp!) fascism. You sneak!

Don't you just love the way that term is bandied about on frivolous things until its true meaning is diluted?
33 posted on 03/16/2004 4:51:10 AM PST by Lakeside
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To: bicycle thug
FA - Q
34 posted on 03/16/2004 4:51:15 AM PST by myself6 (Nazi = socialist democrat=socialist therefore democrat = Nazi)
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To: bicycle thug
So Mike (AKA Ferret AKA Bicycle Thug), can we start the pool now on what your next screen name will be?
35 posted on 03/16/2004 4:51:42 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: bicycle thug
The fact that the liberal/socialist element in this country is actually the largest socio-political group which seeks to change this constitutional republic into a judiciary driven democracy, the capitalist economy into socialism, and everyman's living philospohy into pure humanism, devoid of ethics or morals, seems to have eluded you, thug.

In addition, I wonder where you dug up this definition of fascism?

37 posted on 03/16/2004 4:51:48 AM PST by Banjoguy
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To: bicycle thug
Excellent opus.

(See you soon!)
38 posted on 03/16/2004 4:52:02 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Much of your pain is self-chosen. --- Kahlil Gibran)
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To: mollynme
mollynme wrote:

we will crush the FR and remove it like a malignant tumor

Peace, and respect to all

Sad to see a good FReeper gone bad. LOL




You noticed that, too, huh?

Sounds like Islam....."We will crush you.... but Allah's peace unto all !"
39 posted on 03/16/2004 4:52:33 AM PST by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: bicycle thug
Unabomber transcripts?
40 posted on 03/16/2004 4:53:25 AM PST by 12B
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To: bicycle thug
If this doesn't happen, we will crush the FR and remove it like a malignant tumor

You and what pathetic army?

41 posted on 03/16/2004 4:53:42 AM PST by Stentor
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To: bicycle thug
I read your post and understand that you are angry about something that happened here.

Could you tell us what it was?
42 posted on 03/16/2004 4:54:02 AM PST by edwin hubble
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To: bicycle thug; hellinahandcart; Carry_Okie; Jeff Head; Jim Robinson
"Jim Rob's blend of conservatism and use as advocacy of George W. Bush to insure that the right thinkers who know how to follow orders stay on board builds an obedience and cohesion to central authority. He wishes to create an entity that can influence people like Bush to fall into sync with his goals by offering an effective vehicle to mobilize and control people on the grass roots level as he has proved to people like the President that he indeed can do things like galvanize and grow the Klamath water rights for farmers issue."

Uh, no. Its because of picknose liberalism, jackbooted fascist leftism; collectivism uber alles types like you that lead me to want to vote for W.

I don't like W. I don't like generally his big gubbermint stance on just about everything.

But I dislike infantile thumbsucking collectivist types that support the other side even worse. That includes the RATS. And it includes you.

Jim Robinson has nothing to do with my stance.

43 posted on 03/16/2004 4:54:02 AM PST by sauropod (I intend to have Red Kerry choke on his past.)
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To: bicycle thug
From ferret, why I am alarmed by Free Republic, and will never post here ever again

Oh - I know I know ! Pick me! Pick ME! ...because you went over to the Dark Side, right? You're just too clever and all knowing for the rest of us, aren't you ?


44 posted on 03/16/2004 4:54:13 AM PST by BSunday
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To: rabidralph
FR's approach to politics is both populist--in that it seeks to activate "the people" as a whole against perceived oppressors or enemies [see Edwards re. "two Americas" and Democrats generally on class warfare]- and elitist - in that it treats the people's will as embodied in a select group, or often one prime iconic leader whose authority flows downward only [see "smart" Al Gore, "nuanced" John Kerry and other members of the mentally and socially "select" group] . FR, in typical Fascist style seeks to organize a cadre-led mass movement in a drive to seize state power [see moveon.org, Florida vote recount efforts]. It seeks to forcibly subordinate all spheres of society to its ideological vision [see gay marriage, blocking of judicial nominees, insistence of "pc" teaching in public schools] of what a community is [it takes a village], and the end result of their game is totalitarianism, pure and simple

Lots of sophisticated language, not much point as far as I could tell. Distressingly high ratio of words to content, but good luck to the author. I agree with your assessment of "drivel," or, as this author might say, "meandering and misguided assessment of sinister underlying political theories cloaked in a linguistic subterfuge."

45 posted on 03/16/2004 4:54:42 AM PST by GraceCoolidge
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To: bicycle thug
Typical muddled liberal thinking. Confusing degeneracy with freedom, rights without responsibility.
46 posted on 03/16/2004 4:55:17 AM PST by tkathy (Our economy, our investments, and our jobs DEPEND on powerful national security.)
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To: bicycle thug
Bye!
47 posted on 03/16/2004 4:55:50 AM PST by Types_with_Fist ("You'll never get the password Eric!")
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To: bicycle thug
in that it seeks to activate "the people" as a whole against perceived oppressors or enemies

Gee, I guess after goofing 227 years ago, we STILL haven't learned our lesson.</sarcasm

48 posted on 03/16/2004 4:55:54 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
I used "that word" again ;-).
49 posted on 03/16/2004 4:56:15 AM PST by sauropod (I intend to have Red Kerry choke on his past.)
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To: bicycle thug
kids these days
50 posted on 03/16/2004 4:56:24 AM PST by InvisibleChurch (Bush in a romp.)
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