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Christianity Under Attack
Intellectual Conservative ^ | 16 March 2004 | Michael Nevin, Jr

Posted on 03/16/2004 9:46:07 AM PST by presidio9

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To: qam1
I don't even what to know what is said in the religion forum).

Well, you are right about some self-proclaimed Christians who bash other Christians who don't practice what they think is orthodox Christianity--especially in the religion forum. They are most un Christ-like in their comments. The logcal flaws in their arguments are so apparent, yet they refuse to see the beam in their own eyes while screaming about the motes is the "cultist's" eyes. For that reason, and the ultimate futility of trying to convince them of their errors--I won't go in there anymore. I'll save my pearls for someone willing to listen.

61 posted on 03/16/2004 7:29:35 PM PST by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: GeekDejure
America will now have to accept His judgment !!!

Very true, and sometimes God uses the wicked to punish the wicked. For example, why can't the islamofascists take out the abortion industry or hollywood with their next attacks? Unfortunately, those wicked maggots will prey on the innocent and avoid the abortion mills and hollywood probably out of professional courtesy.

62 posted on 03/16/2004 7:39:09 PM PST by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: Kerberos
That's right...slither way so the light of reason doesn't expose you.
63 posted on 03/16/2004 8:10:55 PM PST by eleni121 (Preempt and Prevent)
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To: oceanperch
Paris...funny...a real gross-out.
64 posted on 03/16/2004 9:12:37 PM PST by eleni121 (Preempt and Prevent)
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To: formerDem
Either God exists or He doesn't.

Certainly. However, there is no way to prove this, one way or the other.

65 posted on 03/17/2004 6:31:06 AM PST by Modernman (Chthulu for President! Why Vote for the Lesser Evil?)
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To: Modernman
The existence or non-existence of God is a belief, not a fact.

      Balderdash.  Facts are facts, and truth is truth, regardless of knowledge, and regardless of belief.  The Earth has always been round, even when most people believed it was flat.  God exists, even though some do not believe it.
66 posted on 03/17/2004 9:39:26 AM PST by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: Modernman
hi Modernman--

"Either God exists or He doesn't."---(formerDem)

"Certainly. However, there is no way to prove this, one way or the other."---(Modernman)

First, I'd have to find out how you define proof.

I think that my response had to do with whether one's belief or disbelief had anything to do with whether God exists or not. I don't think proof or lack of proof would have any bearing on whether or not He exists, but obviously if someone demands a certain type of proof and doesn't get that proof, he may draw the conclusion that God does not exist. I'm just saying that if God exists, belief or unbelief, proof or no proof has no impact on His existence.

The following quote from G. K. Chesterton (while not 'spot on'), is along the same lines (assuming the man in question has no 'proof' that tigers exist).

"If a man proves too clearly and convincingly to himself...that a tiger is an optical illusion--well, he will find out he is wrong. The tiger will himself intrvene in the discussion, in a manner which will be in every sense conclusive."

I'm wondering about the balance (imbalance?) between proof and faith. I've tried reading Thomas Aquinas, but most of what he says goes way over my head!

Cheers,

Deborah

67 posted on 03/17/2004 10:47:49 AM PST by formerDem ("Come, follow me, and leave the world to its babblings." Dante----Purgatorio)
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To: Celtman
The Earth has always been round, even when most people believed it was flat. God exists, even though some do not believe it.

There is no way for humans to prove factually whether or not God exists. All we can do is speculate. So, the existence of God is a different question than whether the Earth is round. Simply stating that God exists does not prove that hypothesis.

68 posted on 03/17/2004 11:27:04 AM PST by Modernman (Chthulu for President! Why Vote for the Lesser Evil?)
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To: Auntie Dem
Well, you are right about some self-proclaimed Christians who bash other Christians who don't practice what they think is orthodox Christianity--

OK gotcha, It's not OK for Christians to attack other Christians but it's OK for Christians to attack non belivers.

And you wonder why so many people are hostile towards Christianity.

69 posted on 03/17/2004 5:30:05 PM PST by qam1 (Tommy Thompson is a Fat-tubby, Fascist)
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To: tiamat
Read it before my first post. By the way, I am a SAHD.
70 posted on 03/17/2004 9:54:35 PM PST by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
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