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***Breaking*** Kerry Continued to Represent the VVAW after November, 1971
WinterSoldier.com ^ | 03/18/2004 | Interesting Times

Posted on 03/18/2004 5:35:06 PM PST by Interesting Times

March 19, 2004 -- **BREAKING** WinterSoldier.com has obtained solid evidence that John Kerry continued to represent the VVAW well after the infamous November 12-15 1971 meeting at which that organization voted on whether to commit political assassinations. See our new "So when did John Kerry leave the VVAW, anyway?" links in the Documents, Film Clips, Audio and Cartoons section.

For example, the New York Times identified Kerry as "spokesman for Vietnam Veterans Against the War" in this article on January 11, 1972. In fact, as late as April 22, 1972, Kerry was still being identified in press reports as a "leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War."

Senator Kerry says he quit the VVAW sometime before November 12, 1971.

Senator Kerry has some explaining to do.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 1971; 2004; assassinationplot; darkplot; johnkerry; kerry; vvaw
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To: TomGuy
Tom said he has 8 witnesses to Kerry's being in KC and at the 'kill the Senators' meeting.

Meanwhile Qerry is recharging his batteries.

51 posted on 03/18/2004 6:10:04 PM PST by js1138
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To: TomGuy
Tom [Lipscomb] said he has 8 witnesses to Kerry's being in KC and at the 'kill the Senators' meeting.

I saw the chief mucky-muck of the NY Sun (it might have been Tom Lipscomb--don't recall the name) on Fox last weekend talking about the Kerry-assasination connection. At the time, there were 3 confirmed witnesses. Now he has 8.

Kerry's going down like a cheap hooker.

52 posted on 03/18/2004 6:10:41 PM PST by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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To: woodyinscc
Kerry is going down too quick, he will never make it to the convention.!!

I agree--Hold your fire! At least until AFTER tbe Dem convention. Geez, I just know we are gonna have Edwards or *gag* Hill if we shoot our wad to quick here :)

53 posted on 03/18/2004 6:10:48 PM PST by arbee4bush
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To: Interesting Times
More Republican attack politics...aka the truth about the libs!
54 posted on 03/18/2004 6:10:51 PM PST by God luvs America (Howard Dean is a deranged lunatic!!)
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To: onyx
Your tagline is perfect.
55 posted on 03/18/2004 6:10:53 PM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: Mo1
Kerry lied? I don't know what to say. < /sarcasm >
56 posted on 03/18/2004 6:10:55 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: cyncooper
Got it. Thanks...
57 posted on 03/18/2004 6:11:39 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: rwfromkansas
This is truly a big story. I can count virtually every news value in this story and any journalist not covering this is doing so for only one reason: BIAS.

Especially in the wake of the disgraceful hammering the "news" gave George W. Bush and his Air National Guard service all because some "questions" had been raised. Well, we've raised some questions here that we as Americans want answers to.

Frankly I am stunned that this group planned this at all, and that aspect has been nailed down as absolutely true. The question before us is did Kerry attend and has he flat out lied all of these years?

It is truly breathtaking.

58 posted on 03/18/2004 6:13:15 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: doug from upland

I am especially glad you like it.
Thanks.
59 posted on 03/18/2004 6:13:18 PM PST by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh and Benedict Arnold.)
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To: All
MIDI - KANSAS CITY - 1st version

Going to Kansas City...Kansas City here he comes
Going to Kansas City...Kansas City here he comes
They've got some crazy leftist whackos there...please tell us, was John Kerry one?

It seems that they had their meeting...and then took a vote
It seems they had their meeting...and then took a vote
There was talk of killing senators...now tell us, will the press take note?

Let's watch Kerry spout his lies...it is no big surprise
Denial nobody buys...will this lead to John's demise?

Going to Kansas City...Kansas City here he comes
They've got some crazy leftist whackos there...please tell us, was John Kerry one?

Let's watch John Kerry spout his lies...it isn't a big surprise
Denial no one buys...will this lead to John's demise?

Going to Kansas City...Kansas City here he comes
They've got some crazy leftist whackos there...please tell us, was John Kerry one?

They've got some crazy leftist whackos there...please tell us, was John Kerry one?

They've got some crazy leftist whackos there...please tell us, was John Kerry one?

60 posted on 03/18/2004 6:14:17 PM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: cyncooper
I want to read more about this speech.

Kerry is caling VN, "Nixon's war." Nixon took office in 1969. SOD McNamara wrote a mia culpa, explaining all the mistakes he made while serving under Johnson. Kerry is dispicable. OBTW In 1972 Nixon won one of the biggest landslide victories in Presidential history.

61 posted on 03/18/2004 6:14:20 PM PST by woodyinscc
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To: God luvs America
More Republican attack politics...aka the truth about the libs!

That's right, kids, and the hits just keep on coming.

Here's a nice piece on the December 1971 VVAW takeover of the Statue of Liberty

62 posted on 03/18/2004 6:14:33 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: doug from upland
ping me to the new NY Sun article tomorrow if you post it. I must be stupid, as the headline on the one the other day said there was a new witness, but I didn't see any new names. But, if he has 8 now, there will definitely be new names in that article.
63 posted on 03/18/2004 6:15:08 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("Men stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up as if nothing had happened." Churchill)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
It was '71. They really thought the Weathermen, etc. were the winning team...
64 posted on 03/18/2004 6:17:11 PM PST by hedgie
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To: rwfromkansas
Perhaps it will be on the SUN website tonight.
65 posted on 03/18/2004 6:18:16 PM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: arbee4bush
Hold your fire! At least until AFTER tbe Dem convention. Geez, I just know we are gonna have Edwards or *gag* Hill if we shoot our wad to quick here :)

Can we take them to court and try to make them go with the candidate they selected (just for fun)? Hehehehehehehehe....

66 posted on 03/18/2004 6:20:23 PM PST by atomicpossum (Fun pics in my profile)
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To: Interesting Times
Nice work!

Bumperoo!
67 posted on 03/18/2004 6:21:05 PM PST by diotima (Free the Miranda Memos!)
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To: Interesting Times
I want this to be true, but perhaps the writers in both articles who identified him as a member of the group performed sloppy journalism. Maybe they should have called him former member or leader. Still, it raises some more doubts. Show us the dental records.
68 posted on 03/18/2004 6:22:29 PM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: Interesting Times
SMOOCH!

69 posted on 03/18/2004 6:23:22 PM PST by abner (FREE THE MIRANDA MEMOS! http://www.intelmemo.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)
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To: TomGuy
Tom says more on Kerry's early years is coming out in tomorrow's Sun.

Sorry to be nit-picky, but I think you spelled "moron" wrong.

70 posted on 03/18/2004 6:28:03 PM PST by BykrBayb (Temporary tagline. Applied to State of New Jersey for permanent tagline (12/24/03).)
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To: rwfromkansas
You're not stupid. It was written in a confusing way.

The first Lipscomb article in the Sun had two, then the next day the Kansas City reporter found a third, so that's what Lipscomb was referring to as the "new" witness.


71 posted on 03/18/2004 6:28:10 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: Interesting Times
Thanks for finding this out. I was wondering earlier this evening if you and your army of researchers had turned anything up showing that Kerry didn't cut his links.

Now I wonder what may come of this if it is proven that Kerry was in the meetings when the assassination planning took place.
72 posted on 03/18/2004 6:28:55 PM PST by GreyFriar (3rd Armored Division -- Spearhead)
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To: Interesting Times
From the 2nd article:Antiwar protesters in New York planned a mile-long march from the edge of Central Park to Bryant Park in mid-Manhattan for a rally featuring speeches by John Kerry, a leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War and Sen. Mike Gravel, D-Alaska.

Did this rally ever take place? Can we get more info or photos?

73 posted on 03/18/2004 6:30:38 PM PST by abner (FREE THE MIRANDA MEMOS! http://www.intelmemo.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)
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To: doug from upland
I think the new person may be Nicosia...I can't remember if the article from the other day mentioned him as a new person saying Kerry was there or not, but I think he is a new person, not a witness per se, but now we have three witnesses plus Nicosia, with incredibly...documents proving Kerry was there...Wow.
74 posted on 03/18/2004 6:32:11 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: doug from upland
Kerry went ahead and debated Bill Buckley, Jr., on Firing Line as a VVAW representative, mere days after the Kansas City meeting. Odd for a man who had just resigned from an organization in disgust.

On January 11, AP identifies him as "head of Vietnam Veterans Against the War." The NYT identifies him as a spokesman for the organization the next day. No complaints so far from Kerry. January 26, he's back in the NYT as "a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War." April 26, AP still has Kerry as a "leader" of the VVAW.

Sounds like more than 2 articles to me.

75 posted on 03/18/2004 6:32:43 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: cyncooper
Ah.
76 posted on 03/18/2004 6:33:05 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: doug from upland
True. A newspaper article is evidence (when both say he is a spokesman especially), but not proof. They may not have realized he resigned.
77 posted on 03/18/2004 6:34:09 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: Interesting Times
Now that is pretty strong stuff. Does wintersoldier.com mention the Firing Line appearance or did you get that elsewhere?
78 posted on 03/18/2004 6:35:37 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: Interesting Times
thank you for finding and sharing Bump!
79 posted on 03/18/2004 6:35:45 PM PST by krunkygirl
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To: abner
Did this rally ever take place? Can we get more info or photos?

It was a big coalition protest. Here's a link to an ad on WinterSoldier.com

80 posted on 03/18/2004 6:35:47 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times
Bump for the truth getting out!
81 posted on 03/18/2004 6:36:05 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace (Michael <a href = "http://www.michaelmoore.com/" title="Miserable Failure">"Miserable Failure"</a>)
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To: Interesting Times
Good points.
82 posted on 03/18/2004 6:36:13 PM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: Interesting Times
I love the smell of toast in the morning . . . or the afternoon, or the evening. Buh bye, Johnny Gigolo. (Assuming this news is verifiable and solid.)
83 posted on 03/18/2004 6:36:41 PM PST by savedbygrace
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To: arbee4bush
Geez, I just know we are gonna have Edwards or *gag* Hill if we shoot our wad to quick here :)

Yeh, but if the new annointed is Hillary, she would love being 'exposed' to the world for only a few weeks (between the Convention and election).

It would be better to get her on the campaign trail now--so there is plenty of time to investigate and interrogate her.
84 posted on 03/18/2004 6:36:51 PM PST by TomGuy (Kerry is scarey.)
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To: cyncooper
"130,000 casualities a month"

WHAT?? I thought there were 58,000 total for the war.
85 posted on 03/18/2004 6:37:40 PM PST by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: woodyinscc
Kerry is caling VN, "Nixon's war." Nixon took office in 1969.

Assuming Nixon would have been inaugurated about January 20, 1969, he would have been in office a whole month before Kerry came home from Vietnam for good. That's one month of "Nixon's [very much inherited] War" to IIRC three months of "Johnson's War." [Kerry spent a total of about four months on swift boats in Vietnam.]

It will always be "Nixon's War" to the left. They're allowed to lie.

86 posted on 03/18/2004 6:38:04 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: rwfromkansas
Now that is pretty strong stuff. Does wintersoldier.com mention the Firing Line appearance or did you get that elsewhere?

If you follow the link at the top of this post, you can see everything we've added. It includes an ad and a radio schedule for the Firing Line event; the latter on the day of the debate. I'd love to find the transcript...

87 posted on 03/18/2004 6:39:12 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Jewels1091
oooooooooooh.......does Teri know???
88 posted on 03/18/2004 6:40:47 PM PST by pointsal
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To: savedbygrace
I love the smell of toast in the morning . . . or the afternoon, or the evening. Buh bye, Johnny Gigolo. (Assuming this news is verifiable and solid.)

I suspect it'll take considerably more than this to sink Kerry.

This is just another brick in the boat...

89 posted on 03/18/2004 6:43:13 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times
oops. I went to the link but somehow missed that. I will have to look closer.
90 posted on 03/18/2004 6:47:56 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: CyberAnt
WHAT?? I thought there were 58,000 total for the war.

That's the total number of Americans killed.

Kerry was probably counting all casualties in the theater, times some fudge factor. Or maybe he just made it up. After all, this is the guy who spoke of "200,000 a year who are murdered by the United States of America" during his testimony before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations.

The full text is posted at WinterSoldier.com.

91 posted on 03/18/2004 6:48:32 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: CyberAnt; cyncooper
On casualties. For the military casualties consist of those killed, wounded, and/or missing in action. Depending how one 'defines' casualties on can get different totals. The 58,000 is only for US killed in action. One can also get various totla numbers for killed, wounded and missing in action for US, South Vietnamese, Australian, South Korean, New Zealand and Thai troops during the course of the Vietnam war (using dates of 1963-74)

I have no idea where the 130,000 figure comes from, if it is from the VVAW then it is probably from the sphincter research department. Numbers are available for the Friendly Casualties in Vietnam, except for the final year of the war between the south and north vietnamese in 1974-5. No casualty figures were collected on final South Vietnamese casualties by the US Army as far as I know, or at least weren't kept as part of the previous monthly total of casualties.

I doubt if the South Vietnamese, after they were out of ammuniton and over run by the 30+ divisions of the North Vietnamese Army, had anyone left to keep and relay to the US their final figures. Of course all those executed in the re-education camps don't count, especially for Jane, John and the other folks who supported 'uncle Ho.'
92 posted on 03/18/2004 6:48:52 PM PST by GreyFriar (3rd Armored Division -- Spearhead)
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To: Mo1
What...I'm chopped liver? LOL

Interesting article.:-)

93 posted on 03/18/2004 6:51:27 PM PST by nopardons
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To: GreyFriar
C-SPAN had a notice that they will replay Kerry's 1971 testimony in front of the US Senate. Sorry, I didn't catch the time.
94 posted on 03/18/2004 6:51:28 PM PST by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: hedgie
It was '71. They really thought the Weathermen, etc. were the winning team...



Not only that, it was still *hippie days* and everyone really thought no one would ever rat out another revolutionary. That lasted another 6-8 months or so, IIRC, and then the organizational purges began.

It was very Stalinesque.
95 posted on 03/18/2004 6:54:33 PM PST by reformedliberal
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To: Interesting Times
btt
96 posted on 03/18/2004 6:54:41 PM PST by GailA (Millington Rally for America after action http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/872519/posts)
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To: FairOpinion
I haven't been following this story much, but Monica Crowley just said she will be talking about this on her Saturday morning wabc radio show.
97 posted on 03/18/2004 6:55:04 PM PST by oceanview
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To: FairOpinion
C-SPAN had a notice that they will replay Kerry's 1971 testimony in front of the US Senate. Sorry, I didn't catch the time.

Will you (or anybody) ping me when you find out the time?

98 posted on 03/18/2004 6:55:30 PM PST by BykrBayb (Temporary tagline. Applied to State of New Jersey for permanent tagline (12/24/03).)
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To: woodyinscc
Just remember the Dims could run Saddam and get 45% of the vote.
99 posted on 03/18/2004 6:55:48 PM PST by Big Horn (A waist is a terrible thing to mind.)
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100 posted on 03/18/2004 6:56:53 PM PST by BunnySlippers (Help Bring Colly-fornia Back ...)
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