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STRAIGHT AIDS MYTH SHATTERED
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Posted on 03/19/2004 6:36:45 AM PST by Pikamax

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:20:18 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

THE public health experts - and their amen corner in the media - owe Helen Gurley Brown an apology. The legendary Cosmopolitan editor was vilified in 1993 when she published a piece called "The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS." But she was right.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aids; grids; hiv
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1 posted on 03/19/2004 6:36:45 AM PST by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax
If this weren't so sad it would be laughable.
2 posted on 03/19/2004 6:40:26 AM PST by EggsAckley ("An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last"...)
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To: Stingray51
bump
3 posted on 03/19/2004 6:45:37 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along)
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To: Pikamax
My very liberal SIL stated that the largest growing group of AIDS patients in the US is black women. Anybody have stats that I can slam her with???
4 posted on 03/19/2004 6:46:15 AM PST by netmilsmom (Jonathansmommie's daughter was born 3-11-04, both home today!)
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To: netmilsmom
That actually might be true, though the greatest numbers are amongs homosexuals. Transmission rates from men to women are much greater than the reverse, and there were stories a couple of month's ago about college age black men who have sex with other men, but still consider themselves straight.
5 posted on 03/19/2004 6:56:07 AM PST by sharkhawk (I want to go to St. Somewhere)
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To: Pikamax
"Farber exposed the conspiracy between profit-hungry drug companies, researchers who wanted more funding, homosexuals who didn't want the disease to be known as "the gay plague," and conservatives who wanted to turn back the sexual revolution."


This is beyond sad. The truth seems as if it is an oddity anymore.

6 posted on 03/19/2004 6:56:31 AM PST by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a Conservative)
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To: netmilsmom
It isn't the largest growing group, but it is the FASTEST growing group. Apparently significant numbers of black man are 'on the down low' and serving as an AIDS vector into the hetero black community.

It used to be that essentially no non-IV-drug using black women got AIDS. Now some are getting it from sexual contact. A moderate number of cases on a very small base = Fastest growth.
7 posted on 03/19/2004 6:58:36 AM PST by blanknoone (Give Kerry enough nuance, and he will hang himself.)
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To: netmilsmom
My very liberal SIL stated that the largest growing group of AIDS patients in the US is black women. Anybody have stats that I can slam her with???

I read something, probably here, stating that many black men who are bisexual or homosexual, tend to hide their preferences from the rest of the community. In other words, they pretend to be straight. If they are HIV positive, they can certainly pass this on to an unsuspecting female partner. As far as black women being the largest growing number of AIDS patients, I haven't heard that statistic.

We all know that statistics can be manipulated ;-)

8 posted on 03/19/2004 6:59:19 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Until Kofi Annan rides the Jerusalem RTD....nothing will change.)
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To: Pikamax
The last paragraph seems unconnected to the rest of the article.
9 posted on 03/19/2004 7:02:42 AM PST by js1138
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To: All
Thanks everyone!
10 posted on 03/19/2004 7:04:54 AM PST by netmilsmom (Jonathansmommie's daughter was born 3-11-04, both home today!)
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To: EggsAckley
If this weren't so sad it would be laughable.

What's worse is that in trying to convince the rest of us we were in danger,the Homosexual lobby and their allies prevented scientists etc. from focusing their efforts on the Gays.

And they blame Ronald Reagan for it.

11 posted on 03/19/2004 7:04:56 AM PST by Redcoat LI ( "help to drive the left one into the insanity.")
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To: little jeremiah; Pikamax; scripter
Bump & Ping


What We Can Do To Help Defeat the "Gay" Agenda


Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Version 1.1)


The Stamp of Normality

12 posted on 03/19/2004 7:05:15 AM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: netmilsmom
Have to consider the prevalence of sex for drugs trades. These women are likely NOT drug free but associate with the injecting class of drug users.
13 posted on 03/19/2004 7:05:32 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: Pikamax
"Farber exposed... conservatives who wanted to turn back the sexual revolution."

Bullsh!t.
Conservatives simply want it acknowledged that AIDS is a primarily a behavioral disease, due to deviant behavior, and the vast majority of those who have contracted it did so knowing the risks.

Of course, the sad stories you read about are of innocent children who've acquired it from their drug-addicted mothers or from contaminated blood from irresponsible (or worse: malicious!) blood donors.

The AIDS "activists" you hear from know d@mn well the funding for AIDS research would have dried up overnight if the majority of people in this country realized that most of those with Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome had "acquired" it by putting their d!cks where they don't belong.

14 posted on 03/19/2004 7:08:35 AM PST by Redbob (ultrakonservativen click-guerilla)
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To: Pikamax
Michael Fumento, who wrote the original 1990 book titled "The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS," said, "I'm not waiting for an apology. It's not going to happen."

I read it back in 1990 and for the last 14 years have been recommending it to people who fell for the "everyone will get it" lie.

Next target --- Global Warming.

15 posted on 03/19/2004 7:10:53 AM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: blanknoone; netmilsmom
Heres the link to the article on Black transmissions of aids.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1075607/posts
AIDS Rising in Black Male College Students
16 posted on 03/19/2004 7:11:57 AM PST by Kakaze (I'm now a single issue voter.....exterminate Al Quaida)
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To: Redbob
Of course, the doctors originally called it GRIDS--Gay-Related Immune-Deficiency Syndrome. There's something that's gone down the Memory Hole.
17 posted on 03/19/2004 7:16:14 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Pikamax
Why are we sending ten billion to fight aids in Africa again?
18 posted on 03/19/2004 7:21:07 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: EggsAckley
Somebody ask Magic Johnson if he'd like to comment on this article...
19 posted on 03/19/2004 7:22:34 AM PST by Tallguy (Cannot rate this Reserve Freepers fitness: Not observed on this thread.)
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To: Pikamax
"What do you call a man who got HIV from his girlfriend? . . . A liar."

Magic Johnson...

20 posted on 03/19/2004 7:23:30 AM PST by Paradox (I really have no clue, I just like the sound of my typing.)
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To: Pikamax
Yeah I remember those graphs back in the late 80s showing how we all were going to die from AIDS


Biggest scam job of the 20th century

Course the NYT will not have this on page 1 if any page
21 posted on 03/19/2004 7:26:44 AM PST by uncbob
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To: MissAmericanPie
when you break it down, it's only $2B a yr for 5 years.

</sarcasm>
22 posted on 03/19/2004 7:28:54 AM PST by petercooper (I actually did vote for the $87 Billion, before I voted against it.)
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To: sharkhawk
...college age black men who have sex with other men, but still consider themselves straight.

I'm sorry, but if you put an ice cream come in your mouth, you ARE an ice cream eater. You not be an ice cream lover but you are still a consumer of ice cream and no amount of denial will change that.

This is not directed at you sharkhawk...just the fools that deny it.

23 posted on 03/19/2004 7:37:10 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (`,,`,,Ooooooo.....I think I over-medicated,,`,,`)
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To: petercooper
Oh right, I forgot, baby steps.
24 posted on 03/19/2004 7:42:25 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Pikamax
In 1986 I attended a series of lectures on AIDS by the late Dr. Howard Temin, Nobel Laureate and essentially the first to describe the mechanism by which retroviruses of the HIV sort function. There was a discussion at that time of the breakdown of HIV+ persons - roughly 67% gay, 22% IV drug users, maybe 5% bisexual and a residual group of 6% unknown. These numbers were based on initial CDC survey data. Public health researchers were sent to re-interview those who fell into the "unknown" source category. After further investigation it was found that the unknowns broke down into the same proportions as the knowns (i.e. roughly 67% gay, 22% IV drug users, etc.) and that after several iterations of interviews - the completely unknowns resolved themselves down to a tiny fraction. To my knowledge the most significant change in the source of HIV was the decline in the number of hemophiliacs in the + population as they literally died off and as better blood and blood products screening were instituted. Other than that there seems to have been a remarkably steady sourcing for this deadly virus. Despite all the money wasted on PSA's which reach very low probability audiences.

 

 

25 posted on 03/19/2004 7:42:37 AM PST by Wally_Kalbacken (Seldom right, never in doubt!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Besides faux-straight gay and bisexual black men, IV drug use is disproportionately concentrated among African-Americans.

Your liberal friend probably has unimpeachable statistics and is quoting percentage increase. As an example, suppose in a city there are 500 gay men with AIDS and 1 black woman with AIDS this year, and next year there are 600 gay men with AIDS and 4 black women with AIDS. There was a 20% increase among gay men, but a 300% increase among black women.

26 posted on 03/19/2004 7:44:46 AM PST by The_Reader_David
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To: MissAmericanPie
(raising hand) IknowIknowIknow. Because Bush is a wealth-distributing globalist, and he'll never experience any negative economic impact personally, no matter how outrageously he spends the taxpayer dime.
27 posted on 03/19/2004 7:45:53 AM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: netmilsmom
Women are far more likely to catch AIDS from an infected partner than a man. Sex normally causes microscopic tears in the lining of the vagina.

I would bet the infection rate in african american females is probably quite high. Given the high drug use in the inner cities, and higher risk (unprotected) sex... I would not be suprised at all if black women are contracting aids at an alarming rate.
28 posted on 03/19/2004 7:46:36 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: uncbob
Yeah I remember those graphs back in the late 80s showing how we all were going to die from AIDS

No way. We were all going to freeze to death.

29 posted on 03/19/2004 7:47:14 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: Pikamax
Michael Fumento, who wrote

I stopped right there.

30 posted on 03/19/2004 7:49:01 AM PST by mhking (Terrorists are vulnerable to silver bullets....and any other bullets.)
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To: Pikamax
Farber exposed the conspiracy between profit-hungry drug companies, researchers who wanted more funding, homosexuals who didn't want the disease to be known as "the gay plague," and conservatives who wanted to turn back the sexual revolution.

He got 2 out of 4 anyway.

Drug companies lose money on AIDS drugs becuase their forced to give away drugs to be good corporate citizens. Conservatives were just recognizing the truth of what was happening. AIDS is still predominantly a plague on homosexuals, especially the bug-chasers.

31 posted on 03/19/2004 7:57:54 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Oh, I agree with you, just wanted to make the point that a lot of black women might not realize who their boyfriend is playing around with on the side. That would cause a upsurge in straight black female AIDS statistics.
32 posted on 03/19/2004 8:00:33 AM PST by sharkhawk (I want to go to St. Somewhere)
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To: Pikamax
Duesberg lost his funding, his laboratory, and his students when he announced in 1987 that HIV doesn't cause AIDS. "He lost everything," said one insider. Duesberg switched to cancer research, and is now touted to win a Nobel Prize.

Of course, he was subsequently and overwhelmingly proved wrong about HIV not being the primary cause of AIDS. In this matter, he was on the phlogiston side of the debate.
33 posted on 03/19/2004 8:04:46 AM PST by aruanan
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To: The_Reader_David
Let's remember, too, that not only is GWBush personally responsible for the proliferation of AIDS in the black community, but GHWBush was a key part of the Reagan administration that was personally responsible for infecting the black community with AIDS in the first place!

Right?
34 posted on 03/19/2004 8:04:59 AM PST by vanmorrison
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To: Pikamax
and conservatives who wanted to turn back the sexual revolution.

IIRC, Fumento was defended by conservatives i.e. having his articles published in National Review. I think Rush supported him too.

35 posted on 03/19/2004 8:41:02 AM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Toomey April 27)
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To: netmilsmom
My very liberal SIL stated that the largest growing group of AIDS patients in the US is black women. Anybody have stats that I can slam her with???


In any epidemic, the most at risk have the largest initial rise, and the soonest plateau and decline. Black women are less at risk, so therefore they are going to have their rise later, while the most at risk are leveled off or in decline. When Chinese cab-drivers have their first case (the number goes from zero to one) THEY will be the fastest growing group.

And the reason that Black women are the fastest growing group can easily be divined by looking at where the cases primarily occur: Miami, Houston, and NYC. Which happen to be the centers of IV drug abuse among blacks. These are women with tracks on their arms, or who have LOTS of unprotected sex with men who do, or both.

The greatest myth is that an epidemic simply takes turns, going through all populations equally ("crossing over into the heterosexual community" is the phrase), when in fact the propagation rate depends on the BEHAVIORS of those in each community. If the average infected person infects more than one other before dying, then you have a growing rate of spread. If less, then the epidemic dies out. That is why it spread like wildfire among promiscuous gays and IV sharers, and why it never went anywhere even when a few heterosexual non-drug-users were infected. Kind of like worrying that a brush fire will spread beyond the dry grassland into the adjacent swamp.

The Fumento book remains an excellent read even a decade later, with all his projections proving true.

Fumento has a collection of more recent articles on the subject at his website:
http://www.fumento.com/suaids.html
36 posted on 03/19/2004 9:06:47 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Tallguy; Paradox
Read this article: "Do You Believe in Magic?"

http://www.fumento.com/specmagic.html
37 posted on 03/19/2004 9:10:33 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: netmilsmom
Go to Center for Disease Control homepage and search AIDS stats. They used to show homosexual and drug shooter breakdowns. The entire disease was in those two groups that overlap. There is no outbreak in hetero female sex except with drug users and anal sex with bisexual males. Imagine if tobacco caused cancer in 1 in 4 users or lowered life expectancy 25 years. This myth needs exposure since it exposes they healthy lifestyle myth. This is an exclusive homosexual male disease!

Pray for W and The Truth

38 posted on 03/19/2004 9:13:10 AM PST by bray (Hey Yaaaawn, can we hear some war stories???)
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To: HamiltonJay
Women are far more likely to catch AIDS from an infected partner than a man. Sex normally causes microscopic tears in the lining of the vagina.


While true, keep in mind that studies have found that it takes 500-1000 acts of unprotected vaginal intercourse with an infected man for a woman to become infected. Anal sex is FAR riskier, with only one or two acts required to infect, on average.

Simply put, the risk for an insertive man (with intact genital tissue) is essentially zero. The risk for a woman receiving vaginal sex is remote. The risk for an anal recipient is very high. (All for unprotected sex with an infected partner.)
39 posted on 03/19/2004 9:15:03 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: mhking
Michael Fumento, who wrote...

I stopped right there.


Why? He is one of the most important conservative writers out there. His writings were the catalyst that turned me from a liberal to a conservative.
40 posted on 03/19/2004 9:18:04 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: mhking
Michael Fumento, who wrote

I stopped right there.

You have an aversion to the truth?

41 posted on 03/19/2004 9:20:59 AM PST by laredo44 (liberty is not the problem)
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To: sharkhawk
...a lot of black women might not realize who their boyfriend is playing around with on the side. That would cause a upsurge in straight black female AIDS statistics.


That movie-of-the-week scenario just doesn't happen. Healthy men do not contract AIDS from sex with women. The heterosexual infidelity vector just doesn't happen (except for third world populations who are covered with untreated genital sores from other STDs.)

Really. AIDS does not punish promiscuity or infidelity the way that some folks would wish. It punishes sticking infected things into places of ones body that weren't intended for them (needles in arms, etc.)
42 posted on 03/19/2004 9:21:38 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Beelzebubba
He is one of the most important conservative writers out there. His writings were the catalyst that turned me from a liberal to a conservative.

Perhaps, but I've found his stuff to be in the same ballpark as Dick Morris. If you must, call me cynical.

43 posted on 03/19/2004 9:21:44 AM PST by mhking (Terrorists are vulnerable to silver bullets....and any other bullets.)
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To: aruanan
I hadn't heard there was any proof yet. It seems to be the global warming of the medical world.

Here's Duesberg's version of being proved wrong:
http://www.duesberg.com/faq.html

No one involved in research is given funding if they don't believe in the HIV theory of AIDS. No one has done the necessary studies to show HIV and AIDS are related. The numbers don't even make sense. If there are a million people in the USA with HIV, and HIV has a ten year latency for death there should be (and thank God there are not) about 100,000 deaths per year from AIDS. It is not happening. Karposi's Sarcoma, one of the AIDS diseases, is caused by amyl and butyl nitrate abuse, not HIV. But the CDC is not even requiring testing to show the HIV is present in an AIDS death anymore.

AIDS is a political disease.

DK
44 posted on 03/19/2004 9:23:08 AM PST by Dark Knight
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To: Pikamax
"Farber exposed the conspiracy between profit-hungry drug companies, researchers who wanted more funding, homosexuals who didn't want the disease to be known as "the gay plague," and conservatives who wanted to turn back the sexual revolution.

What isn't clear though, is whether straight, morally-correct men and women who DON'T screw around on their spouses (or dates) are at risk from AIDS or not.

Hint: Now that blood supplies are tested, those who follow the Law are not at risk from any VD. Now, are the millions of AIDS cases in Africa actually being spread by mosquitoes and biting flies - like dozens of other blood-transmitted diseases are?

45 posted on 03/19/2004 9:24:20 AM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: mhking
Perhaps, but I've found his stuff to be in the same ballpark as Dick Morris. If you must, call me cynical.


Dick Morris is a political analyst with opinions on strategy.

Micheal Fumento is a science journalist who reports the facts of what scientific research has shown.

When you ignore a factual report because of the messenger, you are something other than a "cynic."
46 posted on 03/19/2004 9:24:31 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Beelzebubba
Healthy men do not contract AIDS from sex with women. The heterosexual infidelity vector just doesn't happen.

It may be that healthy men don't get AIDS from women, but it's entirely possible that a healthy woman can get AIDS from an infected bisexual man.

47 posted on 03/19/2004 9:26:18 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: sharkhawk
"...and there were stories a couple of month's ago about college age black men who have sex with other men, but still consider themselves straight"

That sounds like something John Kerry might say.

48 posted on 03/19/2004 9:28:36 AM PST by Fury
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To: blanknoone
It isn't the largest growing group, but it is the FASTEST growing group. Apparently significant numbers of black man are 'on the down low' and serving as an AIDS vector into the hetero black community.

Correct. The Atlanta paper ran a lengthy piece a couple of weeks ago outlining the rapid growth of HIV amongst black male college students in North Carolina. Public health officials there have been tracking blood test results for several years and there is a clear upward trend to the HIV numbers.

Almost all of the infections are attributed to homo/bi sexual behavior. And the bi's are the vector for their lady friends.

An interesting side note to the article: When it came time to say "who's to blame" the author found people who pointed to the federal gov't (not enough $$, free condoms, too much emphasis on abstinence, etc.) and to conservative black clergy whose attitudes keep homosexual black men in the closet.

Nary a mention of personal responsibility.
49 posted on 03/19/2004 9:46:00 AM PST by G L Tirebiter
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To: netmilsmom
Well, if AIDS cases went from 1 to 2, that would be a 100% increase in the AIDS rate of ___ group.
50 posted on 03/19/2004 9:51:00 AM PST by Guillermo (Kerry, Zapatero, Chirac and Schroeder support granting Al Qaeda a seat on the UN Security Council.)
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