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STRAIGHT AIDS MYTH SHATTERED
Pagesix ^ | 03/19/04 | Pagesix

Posted on 03/19/2004 6:36:45 AM PST by Pikamax

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:20:18 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

THE public health experts - and their amen corner in the media - owe Helen Gurley Brown an apology. The legendary Cosmopolitan editor was vilified in 1993 when she published a piece called "The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS." But she was right.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aids; grids; hiv
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To: Pikamax
Yeah I remember those graphs back in the late 80s showing how we all were going to die from AIDS


Biggest scam job of the 20th century

Course the NYT will not have this on page 1 if any page
21 posted on 03/19/2004 7:26:44 AM PST by uncbob
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To: MissAmericanPie
when you break it down, it's only $2B a yr for 5 years.

</sarcasm>
22 posted on 03/19/2004 7:28:54 AM PST by petercooper (I actually did vote for the $87 Billion, before I voted against it.)
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To: sharkhawk
...college age black men who have sex with other men, but still consider themselves straight.

I'm sorry, but if you put an ice cream come in your mouth, you ARE an ice cream eater. You not be an ice cream lover but you are still a consumer of ice cream and no amount of denial will change that.

This is not directed at you sharkhawk...just the fools that deny it.

23 posted on 03/19/2004 7:37:10 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (`,,`,,Ooooooo.....I think I over-medicated,,`,,`)
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To: petercooper
Oh right, I forgot, baby steps.
24 posted on 03/19/2004 7:42:25 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Pikamax
In 1986 I attended a series of lectures on AIDS by the late Dr. Howard Temin, Nobel Laureate and essentially the first to describe the mechanism by which retroviruses of the HIV sort function. There was a discussion at that time of the breakdown of HIV+ persons - roughly 67% gay, 22% IV drug users, maybe 5% bisexual and a residual group of 6% unknown. These numbers were based on initial CDC survey data. Public health researchers were sent to re-interview those who fell into the "unknown" source category. After further investigation it was found that the unknowns broke down into the same proportions as the knowns (i.e. roughly 67% gay, 22% IV drug users, etc.) and that after several iterations of interviews - the completely unknowns resolved themselves down to a tiny fraction. To my knowledge the most significant change in the source of HIV was the decline in the number of hemophiliacs in the + population as they literally died off and as better blood and blood products screening were instituted. Other than that there seems to have been a remarkably steady sourcing for this deadly virus. Despite all the money wasted on PSA's which reach very low probability audiences.

 

 

25 posted on 03/19/2004 7:42:37 AM PST by Wally_Kalbacken (Seldom right, never in doubt!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Besides faux-straight gay and bisexual black men, IV drug use is disproportionately concentrated among African-Americans.

Your liberal friend probably has unimpeachable statistics and is quoting percentage increase. As an example, suppose in a city there are 500 gay men with AIDS and 1 black woman with AIDS this year, and next year there are 600 gay men with AIDS and 4 black women with AIDS. There was a 20% increase among gay men, but a 300% increase among black women.

26 posted on 03/19/2004 7:44:46 AM PST by The_Reader_David
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To: MissAmericanPie
(raising hand) IknowIknowIknow. Because Bush is a wealth-distributing globalist, and he'll never experience any negative economic impact personally, no matter how outrageously he spends the taxpayer dime.
27 posted on 03/19/2004 7:45:53 AM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: netmilsmom
Women are far more likely to catch AIDS from an infected partner than a man. Sex normally causes microscopic tears in the lining of the vagina.

I would bet the infection rate in african american females is probably quite high. Given the high drug use in the inner cities, and higher risk (unprotected) sex... I would not be suprised at all if black women are contracting aids at an alarming rate.
28 posted on 03/19/2004 7:46:36 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: uncbob
Yeah I remember those graphs back in the late 80s showing how we all were going to die from AIDS

No way. We were all going to freeze to death.

29 posted on 03/19/2004 7:47:14 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: Pikamax
Michael Fumento, who wrote

I stopped right there.

30 posted on 03/19/2004 7:49:01 AM PST by mhking (Terrorists are vulnerable to silver bullets....and any other bullets.)
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To: Pikamax
Farber exposed the conspiracy between profit-hungry drug companies, researchers who wanted more funding, homosexuals who didn't want the disease to be known as "the gay plague," and conservatives who wanted to turn back the sexual revolution.

He got 2 out of 4 anyway.

Drug companies lose money on AIDS drugs becuase their forced to give away drugs to be good corporate citizens. Conservatives were just recognizing the truth of what was happening. AIDS is still predominantly a plague on homosexuals, especially the bug-chasers.

31 posted on 03/19/2004 7:57:54 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Oh, I agree with you, just wanted to make the point that a lot of black women might not realize who their boyfriend is playing around with on the side. That would cause a upsurge in straight black female AIDS statistics.
32 posted on 03/19/2004 8:00:33 AM PST by sharkhawk (I want to go to St. Somewhere)
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To: Pikamax
Duesberg lost his funding, his laboratory, and his students when he announced in 1987 that HIV doesn't cause AIDS. "He lost everything," said one insider. Duesberg switched to cancer research, and is now touted to win a Nobel Prize.

Of course, he was subsequently and overwhelmingly proved wrong about HIV not being the primary cause of AIDS. In this matter, he was on the phlogiston side of the debate.
33 posted on 03/19/2004 8:04:46 AM PST by aruanan
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To: The_Reader_David
Let's remember, too, that not only is GWBush personally responsible for the proliferation of AIDS in the black community, but GHWBush was a key part of the Reagan administration that was personally responsible for infecting the black community with AIDS in the first place!

Right?
34 posted on 03/19/2004 8:04:59 AM PST by vanmorrison
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To: Pikamax
and conservatives who wanted to turn back the sexual revolution.

IIRC, Fumento was defended by conservatives i.e. having his articles published in National Review. I think Rush supported him too.

35 posted on 03/19/2004 8:41:02 AM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Toomey April 27)
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To: netmilsmom
My very liberal SIL stated that the largest growing group of AIDS patients in the US is black women. Anybody have stats that I can slam her with???


In any epidemic, the most at risk have the largest initial rise, and the soonest plateau and decline. Black women are less at risk, so therefore they are going to have their rise later, while the most at risk are leveled off or in decline. When Chinese cab-drivers have their first case (the number goes from zero to one) THEY will be the fastest growing group.

And the reason that Black women are the fastest growing group can easily be divined by looking at where the cases primarily occur: Miami, Houston, and NYC. Which happen to be the centers of IV drug abuse among blacks. These are women with tracks on their arms, or who have LOTS of unprotected sex with men who do, or both.

The greatest myth is that an epidemic simply takes turns, going through all populations equally ("crossing over into the heterosexual community" is the phrase), when in fact the propagation rate depends on the BEHAVIORS of those in each community. If the average infected person infects more than one other before dying, then you have a growing rate of spread. If less, then the epidemic dies out. That is why it spread like wildfire among promiscuous gays and IV sharers, and why it never went anywhere even when a few heterosexual non-drug-users were infected. Kind of like worrying that a brush fire will spread beyond the dry grassland into the adjacent swamp.

The Fumento book remains an excellent read even a decade later, with all his projections proving true.

Fumento has a collection of more recent articles on the subject at his website:
http://www.fumento.com/suaids.html
36 posted on 03/19/2004 9:06:47 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Tallguy; Paradox
Read this article: "Do You Believe in Magic?"

http://www.fumento.com/specmagic.html
37 posted on 03/19/2004 9:10:33 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: netmilsmom
Go to Center for Disease Control homepage and search AIDS stats. They used to show homosexual and drug shooter breakdowns. The entire disease was in those two groups that overlap. There is no outbreak in hetero female sex except with drug users and anal sex with bisexual males. Imagine if tobacco caused cancer in 1 in 4 users or lowered life expectancy 25 years. This myth needs exposure since it exposes they healthy lifestyle myth. This is an exclusive homosexual male disease!

Pray for W and The Truth

38 posted on 03/19/2004 9:13:10 AM PST by bray (Hey Yaaaawn, can we hear some war stories???)
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To: HamiltonJay
Women are far more likely to catch AIDS from an infected partner than a man. Sex normally causes microscopic tears in the lining of the vagina.


While true, keep in mind that studies have found that it takes 500-1000 acts of unprotected vaginal intercourse with an infected man for a woman to become infected. Anal sex is FAR riskier, with only one or two acts required to infect, on average.

Simply put, the risk for an insertive man (with intact genital tissue) is essentially zero. The risk for a woman receiving vaginal sex is remote. The risk for an anal recipient is very high. (All for unprotected sex with an infected partner.)
39 posted on 03/19/2004 9:15:03 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: mhking
Michael Fumento, who wrote...

I stopped right there.


Why? He is one of the most important conservative writers out there. His writings were the catalyst that turned me from a liberal to a conservative.
40 posted on 03/19/2004 9:18:04 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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