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IAmNotAnAnimal: My thoughts on the Fayetteville, NC "pro-peace" March
me | 03-20-04 | me

Posted on 03/20/2004 3:38:12 PM PST by IAmNotAnAnimal

Edited on 03/21/2004 7:59:26 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

My thoughts on my first Freep ever today in Fayetteville, NC. I arose early and set out on my two hour journey to Fayetteville. During the course of my trip, I kept going over different scenarios in my mind on responses to any sort of idealogical or factual argument I may have with the other side. I admit I was a little stressed.

arriving, the word was that we would have about 30 FReepers (if lucky), and that there were going to be about 1,500 "peace" people. As we gathered and waved our flags, spoke our mantras, the "enemy" slowly ascended the hill. My anxiety about being quick-witted in response to reasoned arguments rapidly vanished. The rag-tag crew that ascended the hill (about 600-700) people looked to be a mish mash of seasoned citizens wearing torn clothing and trash bags, and junior high school students waving such signs as "My dad is a Navy veteran, and he opposes the war".

Okay, so where's your dad? I can't help but mention the ecletic dancer with black and red hair who was "dancing" to the beat of homemade drums. It made me long for the sixties, even though I was born in 1968. I looked around at the 90, yes 90 Freepers and family assembled, all with flags and signs, reciting the pledge of allegiance, I looked at the Vietnam Vets against John Kerry, the veterans from various wars, the wives, and the babies, and then I had to laugh. Not at us, at them. I saw signs that were very germane from "Affordable Housing" to "Dennis Kuchinic" (who)?, and other such mind provoking drivel. I had to laugh, I just had to.

The reporter asked me if I had lost my legs in combat. I explained to the reporter that I had leg braces on, as exhibited by my very visible feet, that my legs were still there.

We marched behind this stately peaceful crowd where we joined up with our brothers and sisters in leather and on Harleys.

We would have loved to debate the other side, but no one seemed to want to come to "the line" to do that. So, I just watched one misguided veteran from the 101st, who upon weighing roughly 300 pounds shout to us that we didn't "get it". I would've shouted back, but he had already turned and gone down the hill, presumptively to get another hot dog.

The FReepers were great, it was like being amongst old friends, but I had just met them. We all shared in fellowship, and were quick to offer help to those who needed it. I would like to thank all the FReepers who were there for their kindness and patriotism. I am only left with one question - when we got to the park there were about a hundred open black umbrellas laying on the side of the "peace" people, and it wasn;t raining. What gives?

Looking forward to the next one. Ranger out.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: aar; answer; antiwar; fayetteville; freeper; ncfreep; northcarolina; oldnorthstate; rally; supportourtroops
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To: lowbridge
Because engaging stupidity is a waste of time, and time is something engaged people have very little of. Some of us have to work for a living so we have money to spend to keep the economy running, and the government flush with cash.
101 posted on 03/21/2004 5:55:42 AM PST by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: funnynurse
Blessings and good fortune to your husband and you and a rousing welcome to Free Republic!
102 posted on 03/21/2004 6:09:25 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal; rrrod; MattMa; daughterofTGSL
Two more FReepers in attendance whom we forgot to mention earlier: rrrod and mattma!
103 posted on 03/21/2004 7:13:34 AM PST by Huber (Have you mocked a pierced transgendered socialist for Saddam today?)
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To: SC Swamp Fox

At Rowan Park: Are those the horses' arses on the left or on the right?


The Taxman admires revolutionary socialistic peoples' transportation device.


Tell it like it is!

DaughterofTGSL, TaxDeduction2, MyKdsMom, BufordP and others

104 posted on 03/21/2004 7:37:11 AM PST by Huber (God Bless America: Land of the Free and Home of the Brave!)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
It was my first Freep event, too. I enjoyed meeting you.
Rolling Thunder was wonderful.

Thanks and kudos to everyone I met and anyone else I forget:
Ms. "Fry Mumia"
Angelwood
Congressman Billybob
Constitution Day
Darth Sidious
dixie sass
mykdsmom (Did someone say there are two?)
SC Swamp Fox
TaxRelief

I'm looking forward to next time.

clyde asbury
and President Reagan
105 posted on 03/21/2004 7:41:27 AM PST by clyde asbury (GUINNESS ? Count me in !)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
Colorado FReeper Bump!

Great Job, keep up the good work!
106 posted on 03/21/2004 7:45:14 AM PST by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: TaxRelief
I am writing a letter to the editor, and want to mention some of the groups represented.

I feel so strongly that this must not be billed as "spouses of deployed soldiers" etc. Otherwise, the fine people of my community will not realize the rally was not just a bunch of wives.

Did anyone out there happen to keep up with the names/official titles of the speakers???? I can remember their agendas, but did not catch names. How I wish I had taken the camcorder!!

Have been looking all around, trying to make a list, appreciate any and all help.

Anytime you need speakers in or near Fayetteville, I will do my level best to find you some.

A bright spot: Last night I had the opportunity to tell my spouse about my first grand Freep adventure. He said "next time I will be home to go with you".

Before yesterday, I never even knew what Freeping was. Now, I can hardly wait to do it again, hopefully with the whole family in tow!

107 posted on 03/21/2004 8:26:50 AM PST by funnynurse
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To: TaxRelief; mykdsmom
Argh!! I had IE issues last night (caused page fault in a DLL file) and am now posting from my mom's computer.
108 posted on 03/21/2004 8:52:10 AM PST by Constitution Day (No, mykdsmom is NOT my wife...)
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To: Constitution Day
Pics???? pretty, pretty please.
109 posted on 03/21/2004 9:04:01 AM PST by IAmNotAnAnimal (Ranger Rules)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal; dstarr
dstarr is e-mailing me a bunch of photos.

I did not bring my camera because I knew there would be so many others there.

110 posted on 03/21/2004 9:09:03 AM PST by Constitution Day (No, mykdsmom is NOT my wife...)
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To: Constitution Day
Wow! What a great time, you guys did a fantastic job!
111 posted on 03/21/2004 9:14:24 AM PST by IAmNotAnAnimal (I am not Constitution Day's Civil Union Domestic Partner...but am looking for a she FReeper)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
ROFL at your tagline!
112 posted on 03/21/2004 9:23:06 AM PST by Constitution Day (No, mykdsmom is NOT my wife...)
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To: Constitution Day
Hey all, please ad me to any NC ping lists. Getting ready to work my twelve step program (i.e. it takes exactly 12 steps to get from my computer to the bed for my comfy Sunday afternoon siesta).
113 posted on 03/21/2004 9:35:12 AM PST by IAmNotAnAnimal (Thanks for the fellowship...we've gotta fight on)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
BTTT...waiting on pics, or could be a separate thread.
114 posted on 03/21/2004 9:37:10 AM PST by IAmNotAnAnimal (Thanks for the fellowship...we've gotta fight on)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal; TaxRelief; mykdsmom; Huber; Proud AF Dad
IANAA, this is an excellent report and I am so glad you had a great time.
I'm also still feeling the rush from yesterday.
Giving the socialist hordes 'what-for' is a great feeling.

Below is the list of Freepers I had everyone write down at the brewpub.
I think it's pretty complete and I will use it on the After-Action/photo thread.

Old North State Chapter
Constitution Day
mykdsmom
TaxRelief
Huber
TaxDeduction2
TaxDeduction3
dstarr (and her sister, daughter and husband)
IAmNotAnAnimal
rrrod (and fiancee)
Vinnie (and wife)
Clyde Asbury
funnynurse (new FReeper)

DC Chapter
kristinn
Doctor Raoul
tgslTakoma
Daughter of tgsl
Angelwood (and husband)
BufordP
BillF
Taxman
always free
Congressman Billybob

SC Chapter
Dixie Sass
SC Swamp Fox
upchuck (and dog Snoopy)
Mattma
Hillarys Gate Cult

Citizens Coalition For Responsible Media
bert

Liberty Post
Cal
Fred Mertz (and his Army buddy)
Darth Sidious

Virginia Beach, VA Protest Warrior Chapter Leader
hockeyfreak

Last but not least
Longtime lurker 'Proud AF Dad' who did a very nice thing for a young military wife whose husband was recently deployed.
I will let him share that if he wishes.


115 posted on 03/21/2004 9:43:31 AM PST by Constitution Day (No, mykdsmom is NOT my wife...)
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To: GreatEconomy
The umbrellas were supposed to Represent the soldier that died in the war, I read it in the paper this morning where it showed a lady "praying" which i think was just a photo op.
116 posted on 03/21/2004 9:48:09 AM PST by Trinia
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To: Constitution Day
BTTT for later.
Going to have lunch and go out with the family for a while; will post the separate after-action thread this evening.
117 posted on 03/21/2004 9:48:34 AM PST by Constitution Day (No, mykdsmom is NOT my wife...)
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To: Constitution Day
So was I there or simply conjured up the event in my imagination, just kidding. What a great day, eh!
118 posted on 03/21/2004 9:50:29 AM PST by Helms (I'll take a Harvard MBA and Jet Pilot over bs and a swift boat anyday)
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To: Huber
It was a beautiful sunny day and the Leftists were parting with roughly 50 umbrellas. NO SALE


119 posted on 03/21/2004 10:31:52 AM PST by Helms (I'll take a Harvard MBA and Jet Pilot over bs and a swift boat anyday)
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To: Huber

Thank you for telling me.
It's such a great sign and I look forward to seeing more photos.

Yall done us proud!
120 posted on 03/21/2004 10:37:10 AM PST by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh and Benedict Arnold.)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
Wow!! You guys did great!! I tried but could not get away from work to stop by and finally meet everyone.(pout) But working in retail it was fun when so many of my customers came in and wanted to talk about what was going on....
Thank you all so much.

121 posted on 03/21/2004 12:28:14 PM PST by Nefertiti ("Common Sense" is a self-contradictory phrase. 'Sense' is never 'Common')
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal

A photo essay on the failure of the leftists

Fayetteville NC March 20, 2004

The cries and whines of the leftist heard in Fayetteville included many pleading requests for jobs. These are the members of the underclass, the parasites on the American society. Their union speakers condemned Halliburton and Bechtel and all corporations upon whom the ultimately rely for jobs,  as  enemies of all that is good. There was not a business person in the lot. They were obsessed  with the destruction of business and industry.

They had a march and a rally. They needed to raise some money to pay their expenses. Some brilliant business mind conceived the umbrella teepee. A good leftwing wacko was supposed to pay out some of his begrudgingly earned money  to obtain the privilege and right to decorate an umbrella with an important symbol or significantly meaningful work of art. The thus decorated and highly symbolic umbrellas would become the exterior wall of the Teepee, a Greek trophy if you will, to the victory of the day. Since the great conceiving mind knew the attendees are semiliterate and not particularly gifted with original thoughts, each umbrella carried a small placard with a preconceived idea and art work. Alas...... there were almost no takers. One wag in the Rollin Thunder contingent said "those ol hippies just can't get past the 60's. They think this is Woodstock."

The sea of umbrellas was still present at 3:30 p.m., a silent testimony to the failure of the day. A tribute to all those (the ones with money) who some how didn't make it. 

 

122 posted on 03/21/2004 12:41:40 PM PST by bert (Have you offended a liberal today?)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal

FReeper Containment Area #1

Getting set up........ Saturday Morning

 

FReeper containment Area 2

FReepers were invited to join The Rolling Thunder group, across the street from the leftists.

The rolling thunder produced by simultaneous revving of multiple Harley engines is awesome........

 

123 posted on 03/21/2004 12:42:37 PM PST by bert (Have you offended a liberal today?)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
Sorry it's taken me so long to post pictures and commentary to your thread. My cable modem was non functional when I tried to get online last night, shortly after that the cable TV went out. Gotta love Time Warner! It was probably for the best since I was exhausted so I went to bed by 10 pm and slept until 8 am this morning. Was anybody else as tired as I was? Doesn't help that I was outside all day in the oak pollen and my allergies are REALLY bad this time of year.

It was really great to get together with some old timers and meet a LOT of new FReepers yesterday. It's SO much fun to do counter-protesting. The thing that suprised me the most was the elderly age of about 2/3 of the 'peace' protesters. They were literally stuck in the 60's, most looked like they hadn't bathed since the 60's either.

Thanks to all of you who made the financial and time sacrifice to protest with us yesterday. Here are a few pics that I took. I wish I would have remembered to get a few shots of the freakshow march as they passed by though. I was too busy laughing at them and holding up the HUGE 10 ft long FR banner too take pictures.

MKM

124 posted on 03/21/2004 12:57:00 PM PST by mykdsmom (Contrary to popular opinion, Constitution Day is NOT my husband!!!!)
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A few more pictures and a big thanks to Rolling Thunder for letting us hang with them. These Vietnam Vets are true patriots and I want to say that it was an honor ridiculing the "Anti-War" protestors with them.

To the Fayetteville PD, if you are still monitoring these threads, I'd like to say THANKS FOR YOUR GREAT WORK!!!

MKM

125 posted on 03/21/2004 1:09:05 PM PST by mykdsmom (Contrary to popular opinion, Constitution Day is NOT my husband!!!!)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
Raleigh News and Observer...

But as they passed the intersection of Bragg Boulevard, a group of about 100 greeted them with chants of "Osama loves you" and "Swim to Cuba." Donnie Greene, 42, of Fayetteville, who served in the Army artillery and saw action in Panama, held an imaginary joint in his hand and told the marchers to "go smoke another one."

126 posted on 03/21/2004 1:20:48 PM PST by bert (Have you offended a liberal today?)
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To: bert; Constitution Day
Bump! Looking forward to Constitution Day's photos, too!
127 posted on 03/21/2004 2:33:50 PM PST by Tax-chick (Please put your hearts at ease. We have activated the national security mechanism.)
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To: Tax-chick
BTTT
128 posted on 03/21/2004 2:38:53 PM PST by IAmNotAnAnimal (Thanks for the fellowship...we've gotta fight on)
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To: bert
I asked a couple of reporters why the other side had a big Morton's Salt ad ( meaning the umbrellas ) there. We thought about sneaking down there, making a donation to paint pro war slogans on the umbrellas. As far as the umbrellas representing dead soldiers, I think the reporter was just guessing.
129 posted on 03/21/2004 3:11:56 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Proud member of the right wing extremist Neanderthals.)
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To: funnynurse
Thank your husband for me for serving our country.God bless him and all our armed forces.

We have,wives,moms,dads,siblings and friends of our military here on FR.Welcome ,I am so glad you are here.

MEG33
130 posted on 03/21/2004 3:15:07 PM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: Helms
Crap! Chalk that up to Internet Explorer Rage, my friend.

SORRY!

131 posted on 03/21/2004 3:32:45 PM PST by Constitution Day (No, mykdsmom is NOT my wife...)
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To: wita
Thanks for sharing!
132 posted on 03/21/2004 3:54:49 PM PST by Constitution Day (No, mykdsmom is NOT my wife...)
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To: socratic_t65
it is rather interesting that you would cite the use of chemical weapons by hussein some 14-16 years earlier as a justification ("who WMD'd his own people") for invading the country. funny, how the "hussein 'has' wmd" is vitually forgotten by bush supporters. why is that?

The fact that he clearly had weapons of mass destruction 14-16 years ago - a fact that only the most delusional hate-America-first leftists can deny or spin given the widespread and well-known photographs of dead Kurdish babies up in northern Iraq and the uncontested testimony of survivors - is not a "justification" for the invasion.

Rather, the 15-year-old WMD use is a point in a continuum. He had chemical weapons and supporting hardware and intellectual capital 14-16 years ago, point one. He engaged in a pattern of evasion, deception, and obstructionism in defiance of United Nations resolutions demanding that he divest Iraq of such weapons, point two. He created the impression among the inspectors, and even his own officers, that WMD were ready for use, and carefully hidden, point three.

Why is it so difficult for leftists to connect the dots?

Besides, Congress spelled out the justification for invasion under the Clinton Administration when it passed a resolution calling for regime change in Iraq.

133 posted on 03/21/2004 4:10:00 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
There was a memorial park across Hay Street and it was tightly guarded by the Fayetteville police. Two old soldiers had that as their destination, a place to watch the goings on.

They both came walking down the hill in our direction and saw the memorial cordoned off and demonstrators across the street. The first was a small black man. He watched us and our signs and our flags for several minutes before he decided that a group with lots and lots of American flags who were being given the thumbs up sign by cars passing with honking horns must be ok. He quietly infiltrated our group and stood by himself in the back. I mosied up and thanked him for joining us as I checked out the massive collection of service medals and insignia on his fatigue jacket. He had served in Viet Nam, Airborne, Ranger and lots I couldn't decipher. He had come to support the troops, specifically, his troops. His son recently returned from Iraq and his daughter soon to go. As I listened I saw a photographer taking his picture. He eased closer and closer, rapidly taking photos. He finally quit and engaged the man, getting his name and learning about the son and daughter. He was a photographer for Time. I feel certain this old soldier will make Time. He had a zillion pictures taken.

Some what later, an older man, late seventies, did the same thing. He got to the memorial and was bewildered that he could not enter it. I watched him because he looked like a bum. Dirty, unkempt, grizzled white beard and a tattered and dirty red and white ball cap. He also crossed the street and ducked under the yellow caution tape marking the boundry of our FReeper containment area. As he came close by, I could see that his green shirt was buttoned wrong. He started at the top, missing the top hole and leaving tne button at the bottom dangling. He walked among us with his head tilted back, smiling as if happy to see what we were about.


Close up I could see that his cap had two metal insignia... the wings of a paratrooper and the rifle of a combat infantry man. I spoke to him, thanking him for lending us his support and joining our group. He said nothing, just nodded his recognition. An old soldier, WW II I guess, engaged the enemy one more time.
134 posted on 03/21/2004 4:46:43 PM PST by bert (Have you offended a liberal today?)
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To: bert
I spoke with the last man you referenced. He was indeed a WW2 veteran.
135 posted on 03/21/2004 4:49:23 PM PST by Constitution Day (No, mykdsmom is NOT my wife...)
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To: lowbridge
Why can they get more protestors than we can supporters? Simple...

WE HAVE JOBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you.
136 posted on 03/21/2004 4:57:02 PM PST by Armedanddangerous (The first rule of gunfighting is to have a gun...more than one, if possible..)
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To: Constitution Day
But what of Helms? But what of Helms?

And Congressman Billybob lives near Ashville in NC, you know!

But what of Helms?????
137 posted on 03/21/2004 5:00:50 PM PST by TaxRelief (We came; we freeped; we'll come again. God bless America and God Bless our troops!)
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To: TaxRelief; Congressman Billybob; Helms
It's inevitable that I would omit someone, and Helms' screen name wasn't on the handwritten list for some reason.
I am sure he will forgive me.

I included the Congressman on the DC list because I know he's done a lot of event with them; many more than with our fledgling NC chapter.

Okay?(???)

;-)

138 posted on 03/21/2004 5:07:49 PM PST by Constitution Day (No, mykdsmom is NOT my wife...)
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To: Constitution Day
events, even!
139 posted on 03/21/2004 5:10:52 PM PST by Constitution Day (No, mykdsmom is NOT my wife...)
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To: Constitution Day
Hey foolios, way to work it. I was in Tallahassee hangin' out at Bullwinkle's with Jeb. Glad you had fun.
140 posted on 03/21/2004 5:21:04 PM PST by JohnnyZ (Browse CAMPAIGN CENTRAL for election 2004 threads)
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To: bert
Bert,

You are so right concerning the WWII Vet; He is perfect for Time magazine. He had exactly the face that says "real life, real hardships, real experiences".

It was just so shocking that Time magazine was even there. Who would have thought that the press releases would be so effective. I have NEVER seen such a good press turn out for one of our small town events.

The only thing different in this press release than others was the listing of a designated "press availability" time. It really helped.
141 posted on 03/21/2004 5:25:47 PM PST by TaxRelief (We came; we freeped; we'll come again. God bless America and God bless our troops!)
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To: TaxRelief
I talked to him for quite awhile, he had my unit's insignia on his camo's. He couldn't stop talking about how proud he was that he and his son were both on active duty at the same time. I had no idea that Time was there, but if there's anyone who deserves the cover, it's this man - and look at what company he chose to keep, FReepers. Let's keep doing the next right thing.
142 posted on 03/21/2004 5:30:10 PM PST by IAmNotAnAnimal (Thanks for the fellowship...we've gotta fight on)
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To: Constitution Day
It's inevitable that I would omit someone, and Helms' screen name wasn't on the handwritten list for some reason. I am sure he will forgive me.

Ha! you think I'm a nice guy, eh?

Well you're right but then again if you mess with me. LoL

Just email me my official documentation with Coat of Arms and signed by our beloved dunce of a Governor.

143 posted on 03/21/2004 5:37:28 PM PST by Helms
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To: onyx
Yep, I liked that house too... unfortunatly, it's a lawyer's office. Studied it off and on during the year I was mobilized to Fayetteville (2002).

cheers!
144 posted on 03/21/2004 5:44:17 PM PST by drachenfels ("Everyone has the right to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.")
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To: lowbridge
Easy, we work and have jobs. They have nothing else to do but gather for a leftist activity.
145 posted on 03/21/2004 5:45:37 PM PST by usslsm51
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal; Howlin; Liz; ALOHA RONNIE; RonDog
...(about 600-700) people looked to be a mish mash of seasoned citizens wearing torn clothing and trash bags...

The piece movement makes one last gasp just prior to life support...

146 posted on 03/21/2004 5:48:40 PM PST by Libloather (If Hillary says something, it must be true...)
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To: TaxRelief
....I have NEVER seen such a good press turn out for one of our small town events.......

Beware of Greeks bearing gifts........

They were there to spin gold from the dross of a boring rally and to take a few shots at those who disagree. I will be suprised if the Washington Post or the New York Times or Time Magazine says anything that is not in total agreement with the story board outline given to the reporters before they were dispatched to Fayetteville.
147 posted on 03/21/2004 6:32:54 PM PST by bert (Have you offended a liberal today?)
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To: bert
TO ALL:

If anyone rescued my Betsy Ross flag, (for those of you from Palm Beach that would be the one with the thirteen stars in a circle) proudly displayed in many of the photos above, please let me know!

Thanks,

Huber
148 posted on 03/21/2004 6:40:46 PM PST by Huber (A conservative is someone who accepts reality! (paraphrased from R. Kirk))
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother
Nice tag line, thanks.

And here I thought that sound was tappet noise because the engine needed new hydralic lifters.....

150 posted on 03/21/2004 7:33:57 PM PST by Doctor Raoul (How can they call it a "Peace March" when they unconditionally support those who kill our soldiers?)
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