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al-Qaida No. 2: We Have Briefcase Nukes
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Posted on 03/21/2004 9:52:31 AM PST by sonsofliberty2000

SYDNEY, Australia - Osama bin Laden's terror network claims to have bought ready-made nuclear weapons on the black market in central Asia, the biographer of al-Qaida's No. 2 leader was quoted as telling an Australian television station.

In an interview scheduled to be televised on Monday, Pakistani journalist Hamid Mir said Ayman al-Zawahri claimed that "smart briefcase bombs" were available on the black market.

It was not clear when the interview between Mir and al-Zawahri took place.

U.S. intelligence agencies have long believed that al-Qaida attempted to acquire a nuclear device on the black market, but say there is no evidence it was successful.

In the interview with Australian Broadcasting Corp. television, parts of which were released Sunday, Mir recalled telling al-Zawahri it was difficult to believe that al-Qaida had nuclear weapons when the terror network didn't have the equipment to maintain or use them.

"Dr Ayman al-Zawahri laughed and he said `Mr. Mir, if you have $30 million, go to the black market in central Asia, contact any disgruntled Soviet scientist, and a lot of ... smart briefcase bombs are available,'" Mir said in the interview.

"They have contacted us, we sent our people to Moscow, to Tashkent, to other central Asian states and they negotiated, and we purchased some suitcase bombs," Mir quoted al-Zawahri as saying.

Al-Qaida has never hidden its interest in acquiring nuclear weapons.

The U.S. federal indictment of bin Laden charges that as far back as 1992 he "and others known and unknown, made efforts to obtain the components of nuclear weapons."

Bin Laden, in a November 2001 interview with a Pakistani journalist, boasted having hidden such components "as a deterrent." And in 1998, a Russian nuclear weapons design expert was investigated for allegedly working with bin Laden's Taliban allies.

It was revealed last month that Pakistan's top nuclear scientist had sold sensitive equipment and nuclear technology to Iran, Libya and North Korea (news - web sites), fueling fears the information could have also fallen into the hands of terrorists.

Earlier, Mir told Australian media that al-Zawahri also claimed to have visited Australia to recruit militants and collect funds.

"In those days, in early 1996, he was on a mission to organize his network all over the world," Mir was quoted as saying. "He told me he stopped for a while in Darwin (in northern Australia), he was ... looking for help and collecting funds."

Australia's Attorney-General Philip Ruddock said the government could not rule out the possibility that al-Zawahri visited Australia in the 1990s under a different name.

"Under his own name or any known alias he hasn't traveled to Australia," Ruddock told reporters Saturday. "That doesn't mean to say that he may not have come under some other false documentation, or some other alias that's not known to us."

Mir describe al-Zawahri as "the real brain behind Osama bin Laden."

"He is the real strategist, Osama bin Laden is only a front man," Mir was quoted as saying during the interview. "I think he is more dangerous than bin Laden."

Al-Zawahri — an Egyptian surgeon — is believed to be hiding in the rugged region around the Pakistan-Afghan border where U.S. and Pakistani troops are conducting a major operation against Taliban and al-Qaida forces.

He is said to have played a leading role in orchestrating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States.


TOPICS: Breaking News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqaedanukes; briefcasenukes; loosenukes; nuclearblackmarket; suitcasenukes; threats
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To: sonsofliberty2000
*BUMP*!
21 posted on 03/21/2004 10:23:01 AM PST by ex-Texan
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To: Criminal Number 18F
I agree... this is disinformation. A) they can't build one; B) none of the suitcase bombs that the Soviets built, if in fact they could build them, could realistically survive in usable shape; and C) unless there's a breakthrough in nuclear miniaturization we don't know about, that briefcase is going to be very suspiciously large.
22 posted on 03/21/2004 10:23:53 AM PST by thoughtomator (Voting Bush because there is no reasonable alternative)
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To: Dog Gone
wanna sell it
23 posted on 03/21/2004 10:26:18 AM PST by al baby (Hope I don't get into trouble for this)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
The old saying, "buying a pig in a poke" comes to mind.

I sure al-Qaida has spent millions on purchasing nuclear suitcase bombs.


Very expensive FAKE nuclear devices.

It's not exactly a product one can "field test."

And the Black Market ain't much on One Year Warrantees
24 posted on 03/21/2004 10:26:22 AM PST by RedMonqey (Its is dangerous to be right when your government is wrong)
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To: not_apathetic_anymore
"What does the descriptor "smart" mean relative to nukes?"

It means it won't blow up until you're a safe distance away!

25 posted on 03/21/2004 10:26:43 AM PST by doug9732
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To: doug9732
I heard once that the fastesat and easiest way to mine a harbor was with one press release i think it was swartscroff
26 posted on 03/21/2004 10:28:39 AM PST by al baby (Hope I don't get into trouble for this)
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To: not_apathetic_anymore
Set aside the issue of maintenance needed.

I don't get it. What maintenance is needed? And if you know, how would you know?

27 posted on 03/21/2004 10:30:40 AM PST by sirchtruth
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To: AF68
I can imagine the Russian mafia counting their money and telling these raghead morons that it's a "smart" suitcase bomb. Yeah, that's the ticket! It's a "smart" suitcase bomb!

That seems to be the most likely scenario.

Yes, the FSU is has been having a big yard sale for a long time.

But relieving gullible Bronze-age primitives of their money does not require anything High-Tech to sell. A briefcase full of the proceeds of a Radio-Shack dumpster and a surplus cesium source to make it "Hot" would be enough to convince these morons.

As I recall, the Atomic Cannon warhead was 166 mm diameter, but its length, weight, and required fuzing modifications would put it out of the suitcase range.

28 posted on 03/21/2004 10:33:38 AM PST by Gorzaloon (Contents may have settled during shipping, but this tagline contains the stated product weight.)
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To: doug9732
:) See I told 'ya I knew nothing.

To me the concept that one should be far away before detonation would be a given on even the stupidest weapon system. But then I guess I have to remember that we're dealing with a mentality that idolizes suicide bombers, so I guess it isn't such a given to certain zealots.
29 posted on 03/21/2004 10:33:50 AM PST by not_apathetic_anymore
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To: The Mayor
That's a mockup of a conventional fragmentation bomb, not a nuke. It's also fairly poor practice to use 10 separate electric caps. Two caps and a dual ring-main of det cord would be more reliable -- this bomb would very likely not detonate completely. Mind you, it would still be bad news for anyone nearby.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F
30 posted on 03/21/2004 10:35:01 AM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Criminal Number 18F
I don't know that Mr Hamid Mir is necessarily spinning here. I think that he has been spun by al-Z. But, of course, both of them stand to gain by this report.

Same mistake as Saddam Hussein?

"We have lots of WMD:s! We are not destroying them! All your bases are ours!"

ZOT!!

31 posted on 03/21/2004 10:35:25 AM PST by ScaniaBoy
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To: RedMonqey
Al Qaeda doesn't behave rationally. I can imagine numerous blackmail strategies they could employ but haven't because they're either too stupid or crazy.
32 posted on 03/21/2004 10:38:41 AM PST by Callahan
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To: brooklin
"If they had 'em, they would have used 'em "

Not necessarily; they can be used with the maximum effect at the RIGHT TIME. Like before important elections...

(sorry - just my humble opinion; sure hope it won't ever happen)
33 posted on 03/21/2004 10:41:20 AM PST by traumer
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To: Criminal Number 18F
I did a google and that is all I could find..
34 posted on 03/21/2004 10:42:09 AM PST by The Mayor (Instead of grumbling because you don't get what you want, be thankful you don't get what you deserve)
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To: RedMonqey
I sure al-Qaida has spent millions on purchasing nuclear suitcase bombs.

The Afghans are great entrepreneurs in this kind of thing. They were always trying to sell us some cobbled-up thing with a hammer and sickle and an international ionizing radiation symbol as leftover Soviet nuke stuff (in fact, the Sovs never brought nukes into Afghanistan. They were evil, not stupid).

After a while it began to sink in that we had better physics educations than they did, so they actually brought in one that sent a Geiger counter off. Turns out that some enterprising fellow had jimmied the Caesium 137 out of an abandoned machine in a shell-wracked hospital. The builder of this thing almost certainly died for his pains, and we didn't pay for the cylinder, either... but al-Qaeda might have gone for something like that.

Unfortunately, as long as mosques and charities continue to support terrorists financially, they will have the wherewithal to buy this kind of thing, and they will gradually get more informed. Like the Soviets were, they are evil, and they suffer from the anti-intellectualism of their goatherders' religion, but they are not stupid.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

35 posted on 03/21/2004 10:43:42 AM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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To: traumer
If one goes boom here, you can expect every nation in the world that is currently harboring terrorist to be nuked the same day. This means good by Iran, Syria, North Korea. This is the reason that Kadaffi of Libya decided to "get right" with the United States. We can not fight them everywhere but we can damn sure Nuke them.
36 posted on 03/21/2004 10:48:05 AM PST by cpdiii (Oil Field Trash, Geologist, Pharmacist (REFUSE TO ATTEND A GUNFIGHT WITH A CAL. LESS THAN FORTY))
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To: Gorzaloon
As I recall, the Atomic Cannon warhead was 166 mm diameter

280mm but the US also had, by the late sixties, nucs for smaller cannons. The problem becomes the shielding for transport, and the weight. The guy who carried the suitcase nuc around, if he could, would look like a fiddler crab after awhile -- he'd have one of Arnold's arms on his scrawny Arab bod.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

37 posted on 03/21/2004 10:48:21 AM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Criminal Number 18F
"The builder of this thing almost certainly died for his pains"


Can you imagine sitting in a cargo ship(no plane) with a real(but crude) nuclear device, for sixty-days or more? The radiation leakage of such a device , even if possible, would kill the lone delivery man-loser and set off even the most basic of radiation detectors.
38 posted on 03/21/2004 10:54:57 AM PST by RedMonqey (Its is dangerous to be right when your government is wrong)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
If true, I would have thought that the Chetchens(sic) would have leveled Moscow by now.
39 posted on 03/21/2004 10:58:44 AM PST by Bommer (John Kerry = War Criminal!)
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To: Criminal Number 18F
--"mockup", indeed--just wondering what number you estimate those "electric caps" are--they sure look bigger than the #6's and #8's with which I was familiar before Primadets came along---
40 posted on 03/21/2004 10:58:49 AM PST by rellimpank
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