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Remove CBS from MY TV please
03/2104 | repub32

Posted on 03/21/2004 4:54:34 PM PST by repub32

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To: MJY1288
From MSNBC:

"...and that records show the president was not in the Situation Room at the time Clarke recalls."
81 posted on 03/21/2004 6:37:21 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Not that I have network television on my dish, but is it possible that

CBS = Crucify Bush Station

82 posted on 03/21/2004 6:42:01 PM PST by No_Doll_i
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To: No_Doll_i
OMG........I think you got it!
83 posted on 03/21/2004 6:42:25 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Since I saw 60 Minutes tonight, I have been reading about Clark, He has been a career Bureaucrat at the State Dept. It was Bill Clinton who promoted him to a Cabinet level employee at the White House. He has donated to several Democrats. In my mind he is a typical entrenched State Dept. employee who sides with the Liberals on foreign affairs, the Conservatives at the State Dept. end up at the Pentagon.

Clark is just one more hate filled Liberal who will go to any lengths to trash this President. Hard core liberals are dangerous people when they are out of power and feel they might not get it back anytime soon.

If Richard Clark was damned concerned about Al-Quada, where was he for the 8 years of Clinton and the several attacks that happened on his watch, after all, Clark was the Counter Terrorism Czar under Clinton.

IMHO, if we want to point any fingers at who might have dropped the ball before 9/11, Richard Clark and Rand Beers should be right up there at the top of the list

84 posted on 03/21/2004 6:48:40 PM PST by MJY1288 (Can't Blame Bush for the Negative Ad's When There's Nothing Positive To Say About John Kerry)
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To: repub32
CBS is still broadcasting?
Wow, you learn something new every day on this forum!
LOL!
85 posted on 03/21/2004 6:48:50 PM PST by sarasmom ("I'm a redneck and Charles Bronson was a sissy".(Permission to use as tag granted by The Toll)
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To: MJY1288


Columnists

< http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/143 >



Richard Clarke's Legacy of Miscalculation

By George Smith Feb 17 2003 01:38AM PTThe retirement of Richard Clarke is appropriate to the reality of the war on terror. Years ago, Clarke bet his national security career on the idea that electronic war was going to be real war. He lost, because as al Qaeda and Iraq have shown, real action is still of the blood and guts kind.

In happier times prior to 9/11, Clarke -- as Bill Clinton's counter-terror point man in the National Security Council -- devoted great effort to convincing national movers and shakers that cyberattack was the coming thing. While ostensibly involved in preparations for bioterrorism and trying to sound alarms about Osama bin Laden, Clarke was most often seen in the news predicting ways in which electronic attacks were going to change everything and rewrite the calculus of conflict.

September 11 spoiled the fun, though, and electronic attack was shoved onto the back-burner in favor of special operations men calling in B-52 precision air strikes on Taliban losers. One-hundred fifty-thousand U.S. soldiers on station outside Iraq make it perfectly clear that cyberspace is only a trivial distraction.

Saddam will not be brought down by people stealing his e-mail or his generals being spammed with exhortations to surrender.

Clarke's career in subsequent presidential administrations was a barometer of the recession of the belief that cyberspace would be a front effector in national security affairs. After being part of the NSC, Clarke was dismissed to Special Advisor for Cyberspace Security on October 9th in a ceremony led by National Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice and new homeland security guru Tom Ridge. If it was an advance, it was one to the rear -- a pure demotion.

Instead of combating terrorists, Clarke would be left to wrestle with corporate America over computer security, a match he would lose by pinfall. Ridding the world of bad guys and ensuring homeland safety was a job for CIA wet affairsmen, the FBI, the heavy bomb wing out of Whiteman Air Force Base -- anyone but marshals in cyberspace.

Information "Sharing" and Cruise Missiles
The Slammer virus gave Clarke one last mild hurrah with the media. But nationally, Slammer was a minor inconvenience compared to relentless cold weather in the east and the call up of the reserves.

But with his retirement, Clarke's career accomplishments should be noted.

In 1986, as a State Department bureaucrat with pull, he came up with a plan to battle terrorism and subvert Muammar Qaddafi by having SR-71s produce sonic booms over Libya. This was to be accompanied by rafts washing onto the sands of Tripoli, the aim of which was to create the illusion of a coming attack. When this nonsense was revealed, it created embarrassment for the Reagan administration and was buried.

In 1998, according to the New Republic, Clarke "played a key role in the Clinton administration's misguided retaliation for the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, which targeted bin Laden's terrorist camps in Afghanistan and a pharmaceutical factory in Sudan." The pharmaceutical factory was, apparently, just a pharmaceutical factory, and we now know how impressed bin Laden was by cruise missiles that miss.

Trying his hand in cyberspace, Clarke's most lasting contribution is probably the new corporate exemption in the Freedom of Information Act. Originally designed to immunize companies against the theoretical malicious use of FOIA by competitors, journalists and other so-called miscreants interested in ferreting out cyber-vulnerabilities, it was suggested well before the war on terror as a measure that would increase corporate cooperation with Uncle Sam. Clarke labored and lobbied diligently from the NSC for this amendment to existing law, law which he frequently referred to as an "impediment" to information sharing.

While the exemption would inexplicably not pass during the Clinton administration, Clarke and other like-minded souls kept pushing for it. Finally, the national nervous breakdown that resulted from the collapse of the World Trade Center reframed the exemption as a grand idea, and it was embraced by legislators, who even expanded it to give a get-out-of-FOIA-free card to all of corporate America, not just those involved with the cyber-infrastructure. It passed into law as part of the legislation forming the Department of Homeland Security.

However, as with many allegedly bright ideas originally pushed by Richard Clarke, it came with thorns no one had anticipated.

In a January 17 confirmation hearing for Clarke's boss, Tom Ridge, Senator Carl Levin protested that the exemption's language needed to be clarified. "We are denying the public unclassified information in the current law which should not be denied to the public," he said as reported in the Federation of American Scientists' Secrecy News.

"That means that you could get information that, for instance, a company is leaking material into a river that you could not turn over to the EPA," Levin continued. "If that company was the source of the information, you could not even turn it over to another agency."

"It certainly wasn't the intent, I'm sure, of those who advocated the Freedom of Information Act exemption to give wrongdoers protection or to protect illegal activity," replied Ridge while adding he would work to remedy the problem.

Thanks for everything, Mr. Clarke.


86 posted on 03/21/2004 6:50:16 PM PST by Howlin
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To: MJY1288
Rand "The Liar" Beers amd Richard Clarke, both careers, both left the Bush adminstration when they were demoted -- and both went straight to Kerry.
87 posted on 03/21/2004 6:54:19 PM PST by Howlin
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To: King Black Robe
I've been telling you all that Conservatives need to BUY their own media outlets for years.

So now that you didn't think my idea was worth the effort or the money, you just might pay the consequences. Just don't blame me when a DEMOCRAT takes office.

"It's the TV, stupid!"

88 posted on 03/21/2004 6:57:06 PM PST by Dec31,1999 (Capital punishment saves lives.)
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To: MAKOTHEDOG
I have DISH network with ALA CARTE regional market network options, which means I have to pay $1.00 per month for CBS Denver if I want it. I don't so that isn't a problem.

I don't want any of the VIACOM package - MTV 1 - 2, BETV, Comedy channel,... Ad Nauseum.

The problem I have is that I am forced to pay for this garbage in my Basic package - then I can "program" it out if I so desire. I resent being forced to pay for these degenerate stations..

Anyone else in this situation?

89 posted on 03/21/2004 6:57:34 PM PST by paleocon patriarch
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To: kabar
I was half listening to that program. But I believe Clark did say that he had presented to both Clinton and Bush plans to attack Al Quede and kill OBL and both rejected them. I won't dismiss Clark or his allegations. But he is trying to sell a book. But of course so was everyone who came out with an anti Clinton book and I believe most of that stuff.
90 posted on 03/21/2004 6:58:19 PM PST by Burkeman1 ("I said the government can't help you. I didn't say it couldn't hurt you." Chief Wiggam)
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To: Howlin
LOL, "Sonic booms" from SR-71's and "empty rafts" floating onto the shores of Tripoli is how Richard Clarke confronts Terrorism huh? I'm sure John Kerry has promised him Rumsfelds job for writing this book
91 posted on 03/21/2004 6:58:30 PM PST by MJY1288 (Can't Blame Bush for the Negative Ad's When There's Nothing Positive To Say About John Kerry)
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To: MJY1288
OMG........had you not read that before?

Isn't that SWELL?
92 posted on 03/21/2004 6:59:04 PM PST by Howlin
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To: repub32
Go ahead and ban all the Viacom lineup. Better yet, cancel your cable and tell them why. We did.

Yesterday, I was at a friend's house, and I was channel surfing. Bravo was showing something about the Top 20 or so "sexiest" films of all time. I caught it at #2. That was Basic Instinct (I think) with Sharon Stone and Michael Douglas. They were pretty generous with their scene showing from that movie. It was rather disgusting. And then there was the analysis. At least one critic said G**D$%#@ and we're not supposed to care about that. It's not exactly a pay channel when Bravo comes as a part of a Viacom package. Sure, you can program it out, but you're still paying for it. I don't think it's right to package channels such as MTV with NickJr. But Viacom does it. Scum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
93 posted on 03/21/2004 6:59:53 PM PST by petitfour
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To: Howlin
Did the "Tides Foundation" pay for the publishing of this book?
94 posted on 03/21/2004 7:02:27 PM PST by MJY1288 (Can't Blame Bush for the Negative Ad's When There's Nothing Positive To Say About John Kerry)
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To: Howlin
Or did Jayson Blair write it for him
95 posted on 03/21/2004 7:04:04 PM PST by MJY1288 (Can't Blame Bush for the Negative Ad's When There's Nothing Positive To Say About John Kerry)
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To: repub32
Well, that's fair actually. I don't expect him to to critical of the admin he was part of - it's just normal, really (unless you want to sell books or something)!

CBS's omission is that they don't balance reports. Fine, put Clark and his opinion on, I have no problem with that. Just balance that with a well spoken person witha different point of view. They seldom do that, and that compromises their reputation and credibility.

As for banning channels, I don't ban CBS but when I got Tivo I purged numerous channels from my lineup - CNN, MSNBC, CNNFN, MTV, VH1, and more. Now I don't even see them while flipping channels!
96 posted on 03/21/2004 7:06:07 PM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: MJY1288
I heard on MSNBC today that poor Jayson Blair's book has only sold 2000 copies, out of a 250,000 run. Pity, eh?
97 posted on 03/21/2004 7:06:27 PM PST by Howlin
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To: paleocon patriarch
I agree. I am sure that most normal people watch only a selective amount of channels.

I am glad I am not paying extra for the mothership.

Every now and then I think about getting rid of the TV. It probably won't happen. I mean I am sitting here right now in front of my computer bacause nothing is on TV.

I stopped getting my news from the TV. It is all on the internet anyway just without the pretty face.
98 posted on 03/21/2004 7:06:47 PM PST by MAKOTHEDOG
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To: repub32
This was a setup - Clarke's friend works for Kerry
99 posted on 03/21/2004 7:07:48 PM PST by The Raven
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To: repub32
This was a setup - Clarke's friend works for Kerry
100 posted on 03/21/2004 7:08:13 PM PST by The Raven
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