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Robert Stethem--does anyone remember him?
"The French Betrayal of America" | March 21, 2004 | self & quotes from Kenneth Timmerman

Posted on 03/21/2004 5:27:29 PM PST by richardtavor

Does anyone remember who Robert Stethem was? He was the the U.S. Navy Diver that Imad Mugniyah of the Hizbollah tortured and murdered, and tossed his body to the ground aboard Flight TWA Flight 847 in June, 1985 amid media coverage on the flight from Greece to Beirut. I am currently reading Kenneth Timmerman's book "The French Betrayal of America" to understand the current circumstances of Jack Chirac and his stooge Villipain and their role in the current crisis in the Iraq situtation--it is a must read--Please forgive me for quoting some very interesting background: "Mitterand's lecture (about fighting terrorism after the attack by Libya on the U.S. and the retaliatory response in the 200 mile zone of death from the Libyan coast) was intended as a slight (to Chirac), since Chirac had sent his own emissaries to Lebanon and Gabon in an effort to free the French hostages before the elections. But his claim that he would never negotiate with terrorists was pretentious mush. France has repeatedly with terrorists, their representatives, their proxies, and their supporters, in the vain hope of preventing further terrorists attacks on French soil or against French citizens overseas. And French governments have repeatedly turned a blind eye to notorious murderers who have come to safe haven or for medical treatment. Right after World War II, de Gaulle's government welcomed Haj Mohammad Amin al-Husseini, the grand mufti of Jerusalem, who had been Hitler's personal guest in Berlin just 3 days before the demise of the Third Reich, when he fled to France. Al-Husseini was employed by Hitler and the SS to stir the Arab Masses to slaughter Jews in Palestine and Egypt, as part of Hitler's 'Final Solution.' In January 1977, the French government invited Mohammad Daoud Odeh, commonly known by the nom de guerre of Abu Daoud, to visit France to mmet with top Foreign Ministry officials, according to former Fatah colleague Abu Iyad. Daoud was the notorious ringleader of the PLO hit squad that had murdered eleven Israli athletes and traniners (including one American) at the 1972 Munich Olympics, just 12 miles from Dachau. More--On several occasions in the early 1980's, Mitterand's government welcomed Lebanese terrorist Imad Mugniyah to France, despite his role in the 1982 hijacking of TWA flight 847 from Greece to Beirut in June 1985, where he held 39 Americans hostage for seventeen days. Wearing a ski mask, Mugniyah prowled the aisles of the aircraft looking for American military personnel. When he discovered U.S. Navy Diver Robert Stethem, Mugniyah tortured him, shot him, then dumped his body out on the tarmac in full view of international television cameras. Later, the FBI was able to identify Mugniyah's fingerprints in the rear toilet of the aircraft and indicted him for Stethem's murder. More-- the very day that Chirac's new government came to power, Lebanese terrorists (hizbollah) exploded a bomb at the Point-Show Shopping Mall on the Champs-Elysees (near the seat of government), killing two people and wounding 28. The new interior minister, Charles Pasqua, rushed to the scene and told reporters that the new governmentwould "terrorize the terrorists." Instead he continued the standard practice of sending secret emissaries to negotiate with the terrorists. And the bombings continued.

More--Does this sound familiar? Syria/Lebanon/Hizbollah is not the problem--France is... Some of you may not remember the footage of seeing a dead sailor tossed out of the TWA plane, but I sure has hell did--I have spent considerable time in Israel, and I can assure you that this happens on a consistent basis there. Is France, Germany our friends? I think our interest have diverged.


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1 posted on 03/21/2004 5:27:30 PM PST by richardtavor
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To: richardtavor
Paragraphs?
2 posted on 03/21/2004 5:34:34 PM PST by expatpat
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To: richardtavor
Has Mugniyah been killed or captured yet?
3 posted on 03/21/2004 5:34:35 PM PST by CPT Clay (57 in '04)
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To: richardtavor
Official Site Of The U.S.S. Stethem DDG 63
4 posted on 03/21/2004 5:39:00 PM PST by pepsi_junkie
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To: pepsi_junkie
I remember.
5 posted on 03/21/2004 5:39:31 PM PST by IGOTMINE (We are being incrementally criminalized by a government that does not trust us with firearms.)
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To: richardtavor
I remember it. An internet search shows he may be in Syria or Iran now. Tick Tock Tick Tock.
6 posted on 03/21/2004 5:40:23 PM PST by Enterprise ("Do you know who I am?")
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To: richardtavor
I remember it too.
7 posted on 03/21/2004 5:40:58 PM PST by navygal (I proudly pledge allegiance to one nation UNDER GOD!)
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To: richardtavor
Yes, I remember Robert Stethem. I will never forget him or his name. It was when he was brutally tortured and murdered that I first realized just what subhuman, satanic vermin these terrorists are. Since then, they have only confirmed this realization.
8 posted on 03/21/2004 5:43:08 PM PST by Savage Beast ("Vote Democrat!" ~Osama bin Laden. "Kerry for President!" ~Ayman al-Zawahri.)
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To: richardtavor
I remember this as well.
9 posted on 03/21/2004 5:47:54 PM PST by GreenHornet
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To: richardtavor
The USS Stethem DDG 63 is based here in San Diego
Named for Robert Stethem
10 posted on 03/21/2004 5:48:33 PM PST by SoCalPol
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To: Savage Beast
I remember, too. We must relentlessly follow these murderers and bring them to American justice or retribution. Let them know fear. They can run but there is no hiding. Harboring them should have a high price in blood.
11 posted on 03/21/2004 5:59:31 PM PST by NetValue (They're not Americans, they're democrats.)
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To: CPT Clay
Still not allowed to comment on why we don't have Mugniyah right now (it's one of those 'I'd tell ya, but then...'), but a fellow where I work is a retired Navy Chief, who was Stetham's Chief before he went through the dive program. He was the one who encouraged him to do it.
12 posted on 03/21/2004 6:03:20 PM PST by tarawa
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To: richardtavor
I remember. This war began long before September 11, 2001.
Leon Klinghoffer and the passengers aboard Pan Am 103 were also early casualties in the 21st century crusades.
13 posted on 03/21/2004 6:17:16 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Rick Nash will score 40 goals this season...)
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To: NetValue
I say render them impotent or annihilate them, whichever is easier. Leave the retribution to the "god" they serve; their souls are his, and he has a special place in hell for them (I hope they're not expecting mercy; Satan is definitely not merciful).
14 posted on 03/21/2004 6:18:33 PM PST by Savage Beast ("Vote Democrat!" ~bin Laden. "Kerry for President!" ~Zawahri."Viva Kerry!"~Zapatero)
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To: richardtavor
I also remember.

I was living in Norfolk, Va. at the time and one of my best friends attended his funeral. Stethem had joined the Salvation Army a few weeks before his death and they provided the funeral services.

15 posted on 03/21/2004 6:23:32 PM PST by yarddog
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To: richardtavor
The Delta force
The story does include characters based on real life hostages of the TWA crisis: Navy diver Robert Stethem - the only passenger who was singled out and killed by the TWA hijackers - is known simply as "Tom" in "The Delta Force." Also, the film's character "Ingrid" was clearly drawn from Uli Derickson, a courageous flight attendant aboard the TWA jet who stood up to her captors in attempt to save passengers' lives. And let's not forget the hijackers themselves: In "The Delta Force," only two terrorists actually make the flight while the third is detained in Athens, just as in the TWA incident.

16 posted on 03/21/2004 6:36:47 PM PST by syriacus (Kerry abandoned the children of Southeast Asia. HE made it seem our GIs died in vain.)
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To: Savage Beast
Yes, I remember Robert Stethem. I will never forget him or his name. It was when he was brutally tortured and murdered that I first realized just what subhuman, satanic vermin these terrorists are. Since then, they have only confirmed this realization.

Exactly so. Well said.

17 posted on 03/21/2004 6:37:20 PM PST by SamKeck
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To: syriacus
http://www.epinions.com/content_43491626628

For a dramatic (but accurate) portrayal of the TWA event, rent "The Taking of Flight 847: The Uli Derickson Story." (AKA "The Flight.")
18 posted on 03/21/2004 6:37:59 PM PST by syriacus (Kerry abandoned the children of Southeast Asia. HE made it seem our GIs died in vain.)
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To: pepsi_junkie
Hell of a way to get a ship named after you.
19 posted on 03/21/2004 6:40:50 PM PST by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: PLMerite
I think nobody would choose this way to get a ship named for themselves (better to live to see it like Arleigh Burke!) but rest assured, the US Navy remembers their own.
20 posted on 03/21/2004 6:58:20 PM PST by pepsi_junkie
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To: richardtavor
bump
21 posted on 03/21/2004 8:03:00 PM PST by RippleFire
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To: pepsi_junkie
I'm sure he died as good a death as any brave man could.

But to meet one's end at the hands of cheap terrorists like that is just a shame.
22 posted on 03/21/2004 9:15:23 PM PST by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: CPT Clay
Not to my knowledge, but I'm still reading the book.
23 posted on 03/22/2004 7:45:00 AM PST by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: richardtavor

Bttt.


24 posted on 12/20/2005 8:26:58 AM PST by Prince Charles
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To: Prince Charles
Germany frees killer of U.S. diver
25 posted on 12/20/2005 8:32:08 AM PST by Prince Charles
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To: Prince Charles
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26 posted on 12/20/2005 8:34:50 AM PST by mware (everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL.")
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To: mware

R.I.P.

27 posted on 12/20/2005 8:38:53 AM PST by Prince Charles
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