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Fayetteville, NC FReep: After-action thread II
Free Republic Network & others ^ | 03/21/2004 | Constitution Day

Posted on 03/21/2004 5:35:50 PM PST by Constitution Day

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To: BufordP
What Thursday event?
101 posted on 03/23/2004 1:10:10 PM PST by IAmNotAnAnimal (Thanks for the fellowship...we've gotta fight on)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
D.C. CHAPTER TO MEGA-FREEP DEMOCRATS MEGA-FUNDRAISER, MARCH 25 IN D.C.

We live in a target-rich environment in DC, in the protest sense of that term.
;-)

Anytime you're in the area, you are welcome to join in on whatever we have cookin'.

102 posted on 03/23/2004 4:12:40 PM PST by tgslTakoma
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To: dixie sass
I had the focus set wrong, they're not very good.


103 posted on 03/23/2004 5:18:04 PM PST by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: SC Swamp Fox
Thank you for taking that picture. Not knowing much about photography, it looks good to me.
104 posted on 03/23/2004 6:20:36 PM PST by dixie sass
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To: Huber
Thanks for posting this article. The "unofficial count" was taken by me and stood at less than 750 who marched by our outpost of flags and signs supporting our troops. The press continues to double, triple or more the numbers of participants at these events.

It was a pleasure meeting you, TaxRelief, and the rest of the patriots who came out to share a beautiful day and support our troops. FReep On!
105 posted on 03/23/2004 6:42:45 PM PST by Angelwood (FReepers are Everywhere! We Support Our Troops! (Hillary's Vast Rt Wg Conspiracy))
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To: Constitution Day; TaxRelief; Huber; IAmNotAnAnimal; mykids'mom; dstarr; All
Saturday was a huge success, thanks to your efforts. Our numbers were much higher than we thought they would be, while the leftists had half what they hoped for. The response from the people of Fayetteville was very supportive and the cops were great.

The local media coverage was good. The presence of the national press was surprising, their lack of reporting was on us was not.

Thanks for the warm welcome you gave those of us who made the trek to Fayetteville. It was an honor to stand with you in support of our troops.

106 posted on 03/23/2004 6:43:48 PM PST by kristinn
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To: kristinn
I did an unofficial news article search. Our little ole FReep seemed to be the only "pro-troops" rally mentioned at all in the media, period.

107 posted on 03/23/2004 7:06:17 PM PST by Huber (A conservative is someone who accepts reality! (paraphrased from R. Kirk))
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To: Angelwood
It was super doing another FReep with y'all. How is the knee?
108 posted on 03/23/2004 7:07:25 PM PST by dixie sass (To all that have served and are serving - Thank you, thank you from the bottom of my heart.)
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To: kristinn; All
Thank you, DC Chapter for coming. It was a good day, weekend.
109 posted on 03/23/2004 7:08:48 PM PST by dixie sass (To all that have served and are serving - Thank you, thank you from the bottom of my heart.)
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To: Huber; All
It was the only one mentioned by name or directly referred to in any news report I could find also.

North Carolina Chapter Rocks!!!!
110 posted on 03/23/2004 7:10:55 PM PST by dixie sass (To all that have served and are serving - Thank you, thank you from the bottom of my heart.)
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To: Huber
This one got some good mentions. But there were many others around the country that were reported on locally.

National mentions were scarce. Fayetteville and Augusta, Maine were the only ones noted, garnering one line mentions in some of the national reports.

111 posted on 03/23/2004 7:30:49 PM PST by kristinn
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To: dixie sass
It was good to hit the road for such a worthy cause and see so many friends at the same time.
112 posted on 03/23/2004 7:33:46 PM PST by kristinn
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I've uploaded photos from the Fayettevile counter-protest and rally into two Webshots albums HERE and HERE

Look through them and link your favorites on the thread, if you'd like. I haven't titled any of them. Many familiar Freeper and LP'er faces and "Rolling Thunderers" in the photos, with many more possible new FReepers in the crowds, too.

I had a busy but totally fun and fantastic weekend in North Carolina - and not enough sleep for almost a week, so I think I'm gonna call it a night early...

113 posted on 03/23/2004 7:39:32 PM PST by tgslTakoma (THANK YOU, NC Freepers and friends, for making the Fayetteville counterprotest a GREAT SUCCESS!)
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To: tgslTakoma
Great shots TGSL. We can see that we'll be downloading tomorrow! :-}
114 posted on 03/23/2004 8:16:06 PM PST by Huber (A conservative is someone who accepts reality! (paraphrased from R. Kirk))
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To: tgslTakoma
Thanks for the links tgslTakoma. Y'all took some good pictures especially the ones that showed exactually how few of those, ummmmmm, people there were!

Again, thank you for coming.
115 posted on 03/23/2004 10:03:47 PM PST by dixie sass (To all that have served and are serving - Thank you, thank you from the bottom of my heart.)
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To: tgslTakoma
Great photos.

Here is one with the "Liars" sign provided by Socialist Worker (see smaller text at bottom left), lest anyone doubt it when we say that some of these people are Communists of various stripes.


116 posted on 03/24/2004 4:50:53 AM PST by BillF (Fight terrorists in Iraq & elsewhere, instead of waiting for them to come to America!)
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To: tgslTakoma
Nice photo. This guy holding the "American Soldiers Protected Your Whiney Hiney Today (FreeRepublic.com)" sign was on the front of the local paper.


117 posted on 03/24/2004 4:59:26 AM PST by BillF (Fight terrorists in Iraq & elsewhere, instead of waiting for them to come to America!)
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To: tgslTakoma; kristinn; Doctor Raoul; daughterofTGSL; Angelwood; BufordP; BillF; AlwaysFree; ...
Thanks for the great pics, tgslTakoma. Per your usual camera artistry!

And thanks to the DC Chapter FReepers (and other non-Fayetteville FReepers, as well!) who made the Fayetteville Road Trip (including Angelwood's husband and our FRiend FRom out of town). It was a pleasure to FReep the creeps with you, as it always is.

It certainly was a pleasure to meet the locals who came out to support us as well. We should have a buncha new FReepers in the FAyetteville area by now!

Eagles Up!
118 posted on 03/24/2004 7:29:14 AM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Constitution Day; Angelwood; Huber; kristinn; tgslTakoma; Doctor Raoul; All
Warning: This is long and you will need your favorite type of anti-emetic handy before reading.

The Antiwar Movement Comes Back to Fayetteville
by Lou Plummer; March 24, 2004

On the day after his nineteenth birthday in 1966, my father received his commission as an officer in the same North Carolina National Guard unit that took his father to Europe in World War Two. By 1969, having left the Guard, Dad was in Vietnam with the Fourth Infantry Division for the first of his two tours there. After he returned, our family moved into officers' quarters at Ft. Bragg, conveniently located near our hometown, Fayetteville, NC. I idolized my warrior father and told him that I wanted to be like him, camping out, eating C-rations and killing Viet Cong, not an uncommon feeling among seven-year-old military kids.

Fayetteville, home to Fort Bragg, one of the three largest military bases in the U.S., is the quintessential military town, then and now. In the early 1970s, a bus affectionately named the Vomit Comet ferried soldiers from Ft. Bragg to Hay Street, a seedy strip of topless bars and pawnshops. Every effort was made by Hay Street merchants to separate basic infantry training graduates from the last paychecks they would receive before departing for Vietnam.

Not all of Fayetteville's citizens were predatory, however. In 1969, Dean Holland became the first soldier at Ft. Bragg to receive conscientious objector status after receiving help from North Carolina's Quaker community. With Holland's leadership on the ground in Fayetteville, Quaker congregations from across the state raised money to open a GI counseling center in Fayetteville.

The center, Quaker House, was a catalyst for the growing GI resistance developing in the military at the time. With the help of angry young war veterans, the Quaker House staff helped organize a rally in a nearby park featuring Jane Fonda and Donald Sutherland. The rally drew 4000 protesters, including over a 1000 GIs, many of whom attended wearing hats and wigs in an attempt to avoid detection by military police. Four days after the rally, Quaker House was fire bombed in a case that was never solved.

Undeterred, Quaker House reopened. It remains open to this day, a part of the GI Rights Network. Over 50,000 members of the military have received counseling on discharge and other issues from its tireless workers. In recent years, Quaker House has also been at the hub of an anti-war movement in Fayetteville driven by vets and members of military families.

The impact of anti-war organizing in a military town is hard to measure. Ft. Bragg is home of the 82nd Airborne and the Army's Special Operations Command. Those institutions have loud voices and impact the community in many ways, economically and socially. The going can be difficult for progressive voices, particularly those of antiwar and peace activists.

In Fayetteville, a small grassroots group formed soon after September 11th. Rarely are more than a dozen organizers present at business meetings, although occasionally 50 to 100 people attend its various events. When the group conducted a series of vigils during the opening weeks of the invasion of Iraq, counter-demonstrators routinely outnumbered and outshouted the peaceniks.

As time passed and the body count from Iraq grew steadily higher, the counter-demonstrations ceased. More and more passers by, including troops in uniform, began offering honks of support. More thumbs-up signs were seen. The wives and parents of service members began to appear at the protests. Several veterans made and held their own signs for the weekly one-hour vigils.

This involvement by military families and active duty soldiers is not easy to come by, and for good reason. My son, an active duty sailor assigned to the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower, was prosecuted for disloyalty by the Navy for speaking to a reporter at one of the demonstrations he attended while home on leave, a development that received national and international attention.

SP4 Jeremy Hinzman, a paratrooper assigned to the 82nd Airborne attended meetings regularly both before and after deploying to Afghanistan. In January, Hinzman left Fayetteville with his wife and son to apply for refugee status in Canada after his application for conscientious objector status was denied and his unit received orders for Iraq.

As the war and occupation of Iraq dragged on, connections were made with a broader network of peace activists, most significantly Military Families Speak Out and the Bring Them Home Now! campaign. The support from these two groups was notable for their ability to redirect requests for help (usually in the form of email messages) from Ft. Bragg families back to activists on the ground in Fayetteville. Newcomers to Ft. Bragg, and there is a steady stream of them, are often at a loss on how to make connections with local people. It is easier for them to find the web site of a national organization than it is for them to know how to contact smaller groups. One can't exactly look up the listings for "Peace and Justice" in the yellow pages.

Few military family members have any experience in organizing. Fortunately, a few of the civilian members of Fayetteville Peace With Justice are veterans of the civil rights, anti-nuclear and women's rights movements. Their experience and connections with members of other grass roots groups helped develop relationships with a loose network of like-minded people across the state.

As happened during the Vietnam War, Quakers and other peace activists partnered with vets and military families in Fayetteville and elsewhere to plan a rally in the same park where Fonda and Sutherland appeared 34 years ago. The demonstration on March 20 drew over a thousand people.

The crowd marched from an assembly point on Hay Street to the rally site. The marchers passed the Airborne And Special Operations Museum and Freedom Park, where memorials to the local war dead stand. For the local activists it was a stark reminder of the historic importance of what we were doing.

Veterans from several states led the march, including former Marine Michael Hoffman, who last year was marching through Iraq during the invasion. Members of military families, including the wives and parents of soldiers from Ft. Bragg also helped guide the procession. Because of threats made on the archconservative website FreeRepublic.com, there was a significant police presence, especially as the crowd passed a small area where approximately 50 counter-demonstrators stood.

It took the crowd nearly 30 minutes to pass through a security checkpoint where handbags and coolers were searched. The temperatures were in the high sixties, the sun was shining and a festival atmosphere quickly developed. Some were attracted to the "peace truck," a project of the group Public Assembly. Much work had been done to have the truck present and presentable since earlier in the week the truck was heavily vandalized and its peace murals covered in red paint.

Patrick McCann, of Veterans for Peace in Washington, DC took the stage to lead the crowd in a chant done in the style of a military cadence:

One year ago this very day
Bush betrayed the USA
A year of lies has come and gone
Time to bring our children home!

Sound Off: One, Two
Sound Off: Three, Four
Bring It On Down: One, Two, Three, Four,
One, Two, THREE FOUR

The crowd settled in for a variety of speakers and cultural performers. People of color, women and immigrants all serve in the military. They all also served the peace movement as they told their deeply personal stories on Saturday. A visibly nervous Beth Pratt, whose husband is serving as a truck driver with a unit from Ft. Bragg stationed in Iraq brought many in the crowd to tears as she eloquently explained how she never watches the news or reads the newspaper for fear of reports on military casualties. "It's hard living without your best friend" Pratt said as she explained that after returning from Iraq, her husband was certain to be redeployed soon afterwards.

Other well know activists such as Nancy Lessin, co-founder of Military Families Speak Out and David Potorti of September 11 Families for Peaceful Tomorrows appeared throughout the afternoon. Cultural performers such as Fruit of Labor, Hip Hop Against Racist War, and Vietnam Veteran singer songwriter Ralph Baldwin offered entertaining respites from the heavy emotion conveyed by the speakers.

Among the speakers was the aunt of Staff Sgt. Camilo Mejia, a Florida National Guardsman who served in Iraq. Once he got back, he refused to return. Instead, he turned himself in to the military on Monday, March 15 along with a 40-page Conscientious Objector application. Mejia was invited to speak at the Fayetteville demonstration, but Major General William G. Webster Jr. did not allow Mejia to leave Ft. Stewart to address the Fayetteville gathering. So his family came and read a statement on his behalf that reiterated his position opposing the war and thanked everyone for their support.

Elaine Johnson, from Cordova, S.C., whose son Darius was killed in Iraq on November 2, gave an especially riveting description of her anguish near the end of the nearly three-hour program.

Long-time activist Dennis O'Neil, a member of the national coordinating committee for Bring Them Home Now traveled from New York for the event. O' Neil said, " I've been doing this a long time and I've been to more marches than I can count, but today is one of the best and most inspiring events I've ever attended."

As the crowd left the park, organizers were already making plans for continued support of the movement in Fayetteville. All those who participated in the march and rally understand the crucial role that veterans and GIs played in the struggle against the Vietnam War. They also understand that the alliances that need to be forged between the broader antiwar movement and military personnel and families will not be built overnight. It took a long time and a lot of senseless killing during Vietnam for elements of the Left, members of the faith community, vets and military families to combine their strengths. Today, only a year after the invasion of Iraq, those groups are already working together. They are making an impact. Their voices are being heard. The antiwar movement has returned to Fayetteville.

Lou Plummer is a resident of Fayetteville and a member of Military Families Speak Out and the Bring Them Home Now campaign. He can be reached at lou.plummer@mac.com.

You can find this article here.

This entire pukefest is so full of inacuracies and outright lies I don't even know where to begin. Have at it!!!

MKM

119 posted on 03/24/2004 1:14:22 PM PST by mykdsmom
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To: mykdsmom
BTTT
120 posted on 03/24/2004 1:20:07 PM PST by Constitution Day
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