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Mansoor Ijaz slamming Richard Clarke on Fox'N Friends
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Posted on 03/22/2004 4:28:39 AM PST by ReleaseTheHounds

Mansoor Ijaz just called Richard Clarke essentially a liar. Challenged virtually all of his claims -- and accused Clarke of stonewalling Ijaz's efforts to capture Bin Laden via the Sudanese.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; bias; ccrm; foxnews; ijaz; media; richardclarke; stophillary; sudan
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Is this guy a reporter, or a spy?
101 posted on 03/22/2004 5:32:57 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: The Wizard; texasflower; captbarney; Just mythoughts
Re: Mansoor and Podhoretz.

Thanks, guys (and gals!) I stepped in gum that time!

102 posted on 03/22/2004 5:34:17 AM PST by an amused spectator (John Kerry: Future Leader Of The Traffic Citation On Terror)
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To: an amused spectator
Just be thankful you were not in charge of reviewing the data after 9-11.

We may have bombed Bob Hope based upon your observations.
103 posted on 03/22/2004 5:36:09 AM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: Terp
Because of their blind hate, they will get US killed.
104 posted on 03/22/2004 5:36:09 AM PST by Milligan
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To: sirchtruth
Mansoor is an expert on the raghead culture, but does he work for the CIA?
105 posted on 03/22/2004 5:36:18 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
Mansoor is NOW a reporter. But, in the toon administration he was a "TYPE" of "envoy" to the mid-east. NOT UNDERCOVER
106 posted on 03/22/2004 5:37:20 AM PST by captbarney
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To: MagnoliaB
I find Mansoor Ijaz more credible than Richard Cyber Clarke who guess what, has a book coming out this week. WOW what a coincidence


How about let Clarke know our opinion about him! Is his e-mail address available so we can fill it up?
107 posted on 03/22/2004 5:37:20 AM PST by danamco
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To: an amused spectator
"Re: Mansoor and Podhoretz.
Thanks, guys (and gals!) I stepped in gum that time!"


No problem, this was a JAMMED PACKED morning on FOX, leaving no stones unturned exposing Clarke for the two-face lying crooked liberal he is.

One has to wonder what job JFKerry incorporated has promised Clarke.
108 posted on 03/22/2004 5:38:03 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: MasonGal
Bob Woodward in his book Bush at War was given unprecedented access to the president and his administration, including Clarke. Clarke did not mention his concerns about a "focus on Iraq."

The Bush administration was continuing the Clinton administration's foreign policy which called for regime change in Iraq.

Iraq's involvement in supporting terrorists is longer than I can post her but some of the more obvious: Abdul Rahman Yasin, the one conspirator from the 1993 WTC bombing, had fled to Iraq and was harbored by Saddam Hussein for years. Paying Palestinian bomber's families. Salmon Pak where terrorists used a real airplane to learn how to hijack OUR planes.

Clarke claims that Condi Rice didn't even know who Al Qaeda was. I'm nearly falling on the floor laughing. The entire world knew UBL was a threat when he was interviewed in a world exclusive interview, by CNN's Nic Robertson in August of 1998, televised in it's entirety to the world via CNN and CNN International and when he famously repeated his jihad against America.

Just a year ago Clarke was singing a different tune, telling reporter Richard Miniter, author of the book "Losing bin Laden," that it was the Clinton administration - not team Bush - that had dropped the ball on bin Laden.

Clarke, who was a primary source for Miniter's book, detailed a meeting of top Clinton officials in the wake of al Qaeda's attack on the USS Cole in Yemen.

He urged them to take immediate military action. But his advice found no takers.

Reporting on Miniter's book, the National Review summarized the episode:

"At a meeting with Secretary of Defense William Cohen, Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, Attorney General Janet Reno, and other staffers, Clarke was the only one in favor of retaliation against bin Laden."

The list of excuses seemed endless:

"Reno thought retaliation might violate international law and was therefore against it.

"Tenet wanted to more definitive proof that bin Laden was behind the attack, although he personally thought he was.

"Albright was concerned about the reaction of world opinion to a retaliation against Muslims, and the impact it would have in the final days of the Clinton Middle East peace process.

"Cohen, according to Clarke, did not consider the Cole attack 'sufficient provocation' for a military retaliation."

And what about President Clinton? According to what Clarke told Miniter, he rejected the attack plan. Instead Clinton twice phoned the president of Yemen demanding better cooperation between the FBI and the Yemeni security services.

Clarke offered a chillingly prescient quote from one aide who agreed with him about Clinton administration inaction. "What's it going to take to get them to hit al Qaeda in Afghanistan? Does al Qaeda have to attack the Pentagon?" said the dismayed Clintonista

109 posted on 03/22/2004 5:38:41 AM PST by Peach
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To: Preachin'
He did claim that Bill Clinton did not take bin Laden when offered by Sudan.

Well, that certainly lends to his credibility since we know this is fact.

110 posted on 03/22/2004 5:40:28 AM PST by sirchtruth
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To: philosofy123
Not to my knowledge. He is independently wealthy through his own companies, born an American citizen, has many contacts in Pakistan, imho, he is patriotic and wants to help.

He tried to help the Clinton administration, but they more or less rejected his advice and information.

I think this: Monsoor Ijaz wants to see terrorism, which can envelope the world in a war, destroyed. I think he will do whatever he can to stop that, for personal reasons at least, out of patriotism at best.

Doesn't mean he's always right or has correct information. Just doing his part, and I'm okay with that.
111 posted on 03/22/2004 5:41:08 AM PST by Judith Anne (Is life a paradox? Well, yes and no...)
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To: W04Man
Does anyone know Mansoor Ijaz's background? How did he get so connected to information sources? Was he in politics, media or what? I've always wondered.
112 posted on 03/22/2004 5:43:44 AM PST by keats5
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To: Just mythoughts
Alexander Haig was on, too. Is that the name we're looking for?
113 posted on 03/22/2004 5:43:50 AM PST by Judith Anne (Is life a paradox? Well, yes and no...)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Clarke a terrorist and security expert for Reagan, Bush1, Clinton, and Bush2. That is more continuity than anuy other person in our government. It would be close minded to trash that guy. I also find Mansoor to be an expert on the Islamic world, but don't know how he gets his insider information.
114 posted on 03/22/2004 5:43:53 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: sirchtruth
There certainly seems to be a precence for the behavior, since we know there is CIA video of bin Laden in Clinton's sight, doesn't there?
115 posted on 03/22/2004 5:44:06 AM PST by Preachin'
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To: Judith Anne
I finds most of his analysis very much on the money. there is another guy from NewsWeek called Fareed Zakaria, he also has good information.
116 posted on 03/22/2004 5:47:08 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
Author, Rowen Scarborough, "Rumsfeld's War", on Fox, BASHING Clark, whom he had interviewed for his book
117 posted on 03/22/2004 5:47:44 AM PST by captbarney
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To: A. Pole

Why he waited with saying this until Clarke broke the ranks?

Ijaz has been saying this for over two years--at least since January 2002.

http://www.dojgov.net/Clinton_&_Terrorism-01.htm

118 posted on 03/22/2004 5:47:48 AM PST by elli1
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To: Judith Anne
This morning has been so packed with those who can expose Richard Clark, as a liar, crook, and seeking a "job" by helping JFKerry win an election, and making a dollar, via a book of fiction/lies.

Yes, Haig was on but it was not he that got mislabeled.

Thus far five that I remember have been on.

Condi Rice

Mansoor and Podhoretz, and now I don't remember which came on first.

Al Haig

Rowan Scarborough, Rumsfeld's War


I think the confusion came over Mansoor and Podhoretz.
119 posted on 03/22/2004 5:50:20 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: sirchtruth; BKO; Carl/NewsMax; Sean Hannity; billoreilly; Ann Coulter; risk; Joy Angela; ...
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NEVER FORGET


...I personally confirmed what MONSOOR IJAZ told the American People on the FoX News Channel the very day after the September 1, 2001 Attacks about the CLINTON White House refusing his 3 Offers he brokered with the Sudan during the 1990's to give us OSAMA bin LADEN on a Silver Platter.

...This confirmation came directly to me in person last June from the Sudanese Ambassador who represented the President of Sudan during MONSOOR IJAZ's 3 OSAMA Offer negotiations.

...This confirmation was affirmed a week later by the CLINTONS' own White House Political Advisor DICK MORRIS on 2 seperate Judicial Watch Report Radio Shows during my calls into him.


On this MONSOOR IJAZ, IMED IMBRAHIM MOHAMMED and DICK MORRIS all agree.


So WHY isn't the 911 Commission taking their testimony..?


NEVER FORGET

120 posted on 03/22/2004 5:51:04 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: section9
Agree. Condi was pissed for good reason. Clarke is trying to politicize this thing through lies and he will face extreme scrutiny. He is a fraud and will have to answer to his lies. If Al Qaeda was so important for the Klintonites, then why was it relegated to slide #14 of a 33 slide presentation given on 5 Jan 04? This apparently was the only mention of Al Qaeda/OBL during the transition. For John F'n Kerry and his minions to say that the Bush Administration is not doing enough in the war on terror is like Ted Kennedy calling the Pope an alcoholic...
121 posted on 03/22/2004 5:53:17 AM PST by CurlyBill (Voter fraud is one of the primary campaign strategies of the Democrats!!!!)
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To: captbarney
"Author, Rowen Scarborough, "Rumsfeld's War", on Fox, BASHING Clark, whom he had interviewed for his book."


After this a.m. on Fox, I doubt that Clarke will be willing to show his sorry, lying, crooked face, on FOX.

122 posted on 03/22/2004 5:53:59 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: ReleaseTheHounds
Ouch! I wasn't able to watch Condi this morning but did hear her very clearly and the tone of her voice was enough to know she would gladly have taken a 2x4 to Clarke. I'd be more than happy to loan her one. Then Mansoor got on and let loose, and a few minutes ago there was another guy who ripped Clarke a new one. Of course the damage has been done and there will be those who will believe it.
123 posted on 03/22/2004 5:56:37 AM PST by mtbopfuyn
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To: keats5
Here's a 2000 interview w/ Ijaz that gives some background info:

http://www.rediff.com/news/2000/nov/28inter.htm

124 posted on 03/22/2004 5:57:55 AM PST by elli1
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To: Peach


President Clinton's national coordinator for counterterrorism, he is currently President Bush's special adviser for cyberspace security. In this interview he talks about the attributes that made John O'Neill stand apart in the world of counterterrorism, sketches Al Qaeda's threat and how it came into focus for U.S. intelligence, and discusses some of John O'Neill's battles, including the USS Cole investigation. This interview was conducted March 20, 2002

(snip)


Some also say that due to the Lewinsky scandal, more action perhaps was never undertaken. In your eyes?

The interagency group on which I sat and John O'Neill sat -- we never asked for a particular action to be authorized and were refused. We were never refused. Any time we took a proposal to higher authority, with one or two exceptions, it was approved....


But didn't you push for military action after the Cole?

Yes, that's one of the exceptions.


How important is that exception?

I believe that, had we destroyed the terrorist camps in Afghanistan earlier, that the conveyor belt that was producing terrorists sending them out around the world would have been destroyed. So many, many trained and indoctrinated Al Qaeda terrorists, which now we have to hunt down country by country, many of them would not be trained and would not be indoctrinated, because there wouldn't have been a safe place to do it if we had destroyed the camps earlier.


(snip)

Without intelligence operatives on the ground in these organizations, how in the end does one stop something like this? If you look back on it now and you had one wish, you could have had one thing done, what would it have been?

Blow up the camps and take out their sanctuary. Eliminate their safe haven, eliminate their infrastructure. They would have been a hell of a lot less capable of recruiting people. Their whole "Come to Afghanistan where you'll be safe and you'll be trained," well, that wouldn't have worked if every time they got a camp together, it was blown up by the United States. That's the one thing that we recommended that didn't happen -- the one thing in retrospect I wish had happened.

(snip)

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/interviews/clarke.html

125 posted on 03/22/2004 5:58:50 AM PST by maggief
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To: Judith Anne
Mansoor i a Moslem with a moderate views of the world. That is rare!
126 posted on 03/22/2004 6:02:58 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: KE; an amused spectator
"...there was a heavy-set balding guy on for just 2-3 minutes, talking about a meeting the Bush transition team was at with a lower level team from the Clinton WH, before Bush was Ignau. He definitely said it was a slide show, (don't know how many slides), and that only slide #30 mentioned OBL in passing, nothing important. He hinted that Dick Clark was a liar. hummmmmm?"

That was John Podhoretz. I videotaped both that interview, and the one with Mansoor Ijaz. I didn't get Condi Rice's interview on tape, unfortunately. No doubt Fox will re-air the pertinent clips from it, though.

127 posted on 03/22/2004 6:05:37 AM PST by Matchett-PI (To obtain power, DemocRATS seek to exploit the baser instincts in people.)
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To: Alas Babylon!
We need to press big media on this. Write, call, or email these facts to them. Don't let them get away with their typical one-sided pro-DNC reporting!

On the top-of-the-hour radio news this morning they are treating Clark's allegations as gospel. It was, by far, the longest segment of the broadcast.

128 posted on 03/22/2004 6:05:56 AM PST by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: Impeach the Boy
Like hell you don't have to fire them. If you leave these traitors in their positions, they use the clout of that position to stab us in the back. Just cutting them out of the loop isn't enough. They are moles, and worse they serve as "un-named sources" to the media to cite with a cover of legitimacy.

Can 'em all. Cite National Security issue and can them.

129 posted on 03/22/2004 6:06:02 AM PST by el_texicano (Liberals are the real Mind-Numbed Robots - No Brains, No Guts, No Character)
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To: Impeach the Boy
Bush just did NOT learn from history; You cannot keep Clinton hold overs around and expect them to have loyalty to the COUNTRY...they are loyal to the DEMOCRATIC party ONLY...Bush should have cleaned house (particularly at the State Department).

Clinton got rid of everyone, even those beyond the travel office. My 1st cousin had worked for the phone company in the White House since Nixon. He was let go too.

130 posted on 03/22/2004 6:07:27 AM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, DemocRATs believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
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To: Bluntpoint
Just be thankful you were not in charge of reviewing the data after 9-11.

We may have bombed Bob Hope based upon your observations.

We know what you're about, Bluntpoint. Anybody who has followed your postings knows what your game is on FR. ;-)

131 posted on 03/22/2004 6:12:22 AM PST by an amused spectator (John Kerry: Future Leader Of The Traffic Citation On Terror)
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To: elli1
Me thinks that a good portion of Ijaz' ''BS'' is purposeful & coordinated (w/ the Pentagon) disinformation. Keep in mind that he is not billed as a ''journalist'', but as an ''analyst''.

OMG--better break out the supersized IQometer--methinks we've got a major genius on the thread. What a hoot! Thanks for the comic relief.

132 posted on 03/22/2004 6:12:44 AM PST by rmgatto (lux et veritas (not heat))
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To: section9
I agree with you. Dr. Rice looked damn angry to have to take time out to answer these ridiculous charges.
133 posted on 03/22/2004 6:13:26 AM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.)
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To: maggiefluffs
It was very sensible, given that Iraq hid the terrorist behind the first WTC bombing, to ask Clarke to make SURE Iraq wasn't behind 9/11.

Also, in the book The New Jackals by Simon Reeve, it was noted that Iraq went on its highest state of alert with its military two weeks prior to 9/11 and Saddam sent his family into his most secure bunker where Saddam himself went and didn't emerge until mid-October.
134 posted on 03/22/2004 6:16:35 AM PST by Peach
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To: an amused spectator
My game is twister. "Right foot yellow!"
135 posted on 03/22/2004 6:17:00 AM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: philosofy123
Mansoor Ijaz is founder and chairman of Crescent Investment Management LLC, a New York investment partnership between Ijaz, Lt. Gen. James Abrahamson (USAF Ret), former director of President Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative, a major Abu Dhabi investment group and the heir of a prominent European shipping family. Former CIA Director, Amb. R. James Woolsey, serves as vice chairman of Crescent's Board of Governors. HSH Prince Alfred of Liechtenstein serves as a member of the Board of Governors with oversight responsibility for the firm's philanthropic and humanitarian activities.

From http://www.benadorassociates.com/ijaz.php.
136 posted on 03/22/2004 6:17:15 AM PST by twigs
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To: Bluntpoint
My game is twister. "Right foot yellow!"

LOL! You are amusing at times, however. ;-)

137 posted on 03/22/2004 6:18:30 AM PST by an amused spectator (John Kerry: Future Leader Of The Traffic Citation On Terror)
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To: philosofy123
He has close ties with the CIA. Note that a member of his board of directors is former CIA director James Woolsey. Ijaz is VERY well connected. I'm not always certain about the quality of his information and his sources, but I ALWAYS listen. He's an important source.
138 posted on 03/22/2004 6:19:06 AM PST by twigs
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To: Just mythoughts; Howlin; Miss Marple; section9; Irma; Iowa Granny; All

National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice is seen through a window in the West Wing of the White House as she listens to a question while being interviewed by morning television news shows Monday, March 22, 2004, in Washington. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)


139 posted on 03/22/2004 6:29:20 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: section9
Cheney and Rice=top two attack dogs!
140 posted on 03/22/2004 6:30:27 AM PST by sarasota
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To: Matchett-PI
That was John Podhoretz. I videotaped both that interview, and the one with Mansoor Ijaz. I didn't get Condi Rice's interview on tape, unfortunately. No doubt Fox will re-air the pertinent clips from it, though.

Thanks, Matchett. I've posted my correction, too. [And got facemasked by Bluntpoint over it after the whistle, not that I'm whining about it. ;-)]

141 posted on 03/22/2004 6:31:39 AM PST by an amused spectator (John Kerry: Future Leader Of The Traffic Citation On Terror)
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To: rmgatto
OMG--better break out the supersized IQometer--methinks we've got a major genius on the thread. What a hoot! Thanks for the comic relief.

Congratulations on having attained your GDDDU (Graduate Degree in Discourse/ DU campus)!

142 posted on 03/22/2004 6:31:47 AM PST by elli1
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To: anniegetyourgun
Thanks,

LOL That is the same Monsoor Ijaz look "righteous indignation!
143 posted on 03/22/2004 6:32:31 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Judith Anne
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Please see my Post #120...

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144 posted on 03/22/2004 6:33:57 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
And I think time is on his side. He's just ahead of the curve with much of his inside information.
145 posted on 03/22/2004 6:35:00 AM PST by sarasota
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Excellent point well made.
146 posted on 03/22/2004 6:36:40 AM PST by Judith Anne (Is life a paradox? Well, yes and no...)
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To: Judith Anne
"Said he'd meet him anywhere, any time, to discuss this on TV."

Are you ready? Are you ready? Let's get it on!!

147 posted on 03/22/2004 6:37:54 AM PST by fightu4it (conquest by immigration and subversion spells the end of US.)
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To: philosofy123
Clarke a terrorist and security expert for Reagan, Bush1, Clinton, and Bush2. That is more continuity than anuy other person in our government.

Ah, the perfect example of the Peter Principle.

148 posted on 03/22/2004 6:38:29 AM PST by mtbopfuyn
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To: mtbopfuyn
Ah, the perfect example of the Peter Principle.

And a perfect opportunity for puns, too: Dick is Principly a Peter. ;-)

149 posted on 03/22/2004 6:43:50 AM PST by an amused spectator (John Kerry: Future Leader Of The Traffic Citation On Terror)
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To: an amused spectator; Bluntpoint
Am I going to have to take away your snacktime again? play nice now. Bluntpoint, quit poking spectator and stay on your side of the seat ;-)
150 posted on 03/22/2004 6:45:10 AM PST by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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