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Mansoor Ijaz slamming Richard Clarke on Fox'N Friends
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Posted on 03/22/2004 4:28:39 AM PST by ReleaseTheHounds

Mansoor Ijaz just called Richard Clarke essentially a liar. Challenged virtually all of his claims -- and accused Clarke of stonewalling Ijaz's efforts to capture Bin Laden via the Sudanese.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; bias; ccrm; foxnews; ijaz; media; richardclarke; stophillary; sudan
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To: ReleaseTheHounds
I have been posting this theory for a week and thought that no one was paying attention, that is until Howlin asked me to post it on another thread.

My theory on Clarke is that he could not publish or otherwise publicly distribute any truth about the classified war on terror without being arrested. What he can publish are lies and distortions. This was a technique used often by the Clinton administration during the impeachment investigation because the truth was sealed behind a secrecy order. In this case the administration would be unable to publicly refute the charges, just as Star and his aides were forbidden to refute the democrat charges under the Clinton administration. The only place that the administration can refute the charges is before the committe, which they have declined to do, for fear of having their own words twisted against them. Even if the Bush administration officials did refute the Democrat claims, it would not make the press.
201 posted on 03/22/2004 9:06:11 AM PST by Eva
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To: ReleaseTheHounds; Timesink; *CCRM; governsleastgovernsbest; martin_fierro; reformed_democrat; ...
Just watched David Gergen (US News & World Report, PBS, http://www.pbs.org/newshour/ww/gergen.html) out himself over the kerfluffle. (FOXNews)

Gergen had the DNC fax talking points down pat: 'Clarke is politically neutral'.

202 posted on 03/22/2004 9:26:07 AM PST by an amused spectator (John Kerry: Future Leader Of The Traffic Citation On Terror)
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To: an amused spectator
There goes what was left of Gergen's reputation.
203 posted on 03/22/2004 9:28:20 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: Eva
My theory on Clarke is that he could not publish or otherwise publicly distribute any truth about the classified war on terror without being arrested. What he can publish are lies and distortions. This was a technique used often by the Clinton administration during the impeachment investigation because the truth was sealed behind a secrecy order.

Wonder if there were any phone calls from Clarke's digs to The Squid in England, for pointers? ;-)

204 posted on 03/22/2004 9:28:27 AM PST by an amused spectator (John Kerry: Future Leader Of The Traffic Citation On Terror)
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To: an amused spectator
You know what gets me, the rank stupidity of these people. What, they thought no-one would notice the 180 Clarke takes from Miniter's book? That Viacom is publishing this book? That Viacom's run by an FOB? I just wish the rest of the country's enemies were this terminally dumb.
205 posted on 03/22/2004 9:31:31 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: NewLand
Anybody have an Ijaz bio? Is he a citizen? I'm curious because that photo shows him with a mustache trimmed to military regulations. It's so dumb looking I never knew anyone who was not in the military to do it.

Wonder if he has joined a Guard or Reserve unit.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F
206 posted on 03/22/2004 9:33:18 AM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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To: philosofy123
I'm not sure it's quite that simple, although you raise good questions. Ijaz was raised in Blackburg, VA and went to UVA, where he was educated as a physicist, I believe. That's why he has a southern accent. I'm from that area and that school, so I have no problem seeing where he might get conservative leanings. Yes, he is a Muslim and a Democrat, but from everything I've seen, he's a highly intelligent and reasonable individual. His father, now deceased, was also a scientist, I believe, but suggested to Mansoor that he go into investments. IIRC, the family experienced some financial problems and the dad did not want his son to do the same. I'll have to look that up.

I've never seen anything to suggest to me that Ijaz and Woolsey are laundering money. That's a serious charge to make on a public forum. Their partnership is perhaps not the usual one, but I don't know enough of their history to understand how it began. I think it would benefit us as we evaluate all the information we get to keep it in mind, but I don't think it's necessarily inconsistent with America's interests. But I don't know enough of the story to really know. I would hope that FNC, which relies so heavily on Ijaz's info, have investigated his credibility.

207 posted on 03/22/2004 9:39:07 AM PST by twigs
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To: ReleaseTheHounds
Folks, fear not! Richard Clarke, like Paul O'Neil is dead on arrival! Oh, his book may do well because the DNC will make certain it gets scooped up by the retard group, but no one of any realistic consequence will read a word. Any objective American with half a brain knows that Bill Clinton and the Democrat "traitor" Party were directly responsible for allowing 911 to occur! Enjoy your fifteen minutes of fame, Mr. Clarke!
208 posted on 03/22/2004 9:39:09 AM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: ReleaseTheHounds
Folks, fear not! Richard Clarke, like Paul O'Neil is dead on arrival! Oh, his book may do well because the DNC will make certain it gets scooped up by the retard group, but no one of any realistic consequence will read a word. Any objective American with half a brain knows that Bill Clinton and the Democrat "traitor" Party were directly responsible for allowing 911 to occur! Enjoy your fifteen minutes of fame, Mr. Clarke!
209 posted on 03/22/2004 9:39:24 AM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: ReleaseTheHounds
Some said Clarke's just looking to sell more copies of his book and/or possibly hoping for a job with Kerry or a future Democratic president.

"He probably thinks that the Democrats have a chance this time and so he's trying to suck around for another job," Alexander Haig (search), former secretary of state under President Reagan, told Fox News on Monday.

"This is an outrage to claim President Bush is responsible for nine years of total incompetence in confronting international terrorism that he [Clarke] was a part of," especially when "the Clinton administration did nothing but warn, warn, warn and throw a few rockets" at terrorists.

Bush, however, "has a firm grasp on the global threat that is confronting the United States, the free world and nations that believe in the rule of law," Haig continued

210 posted on 03/22/2004 9:41:40 AM PST by Enduring Freedom (Guess How We Ended Japanese Kamikaze Attacks? It's State-Sponsored, Stupid.)
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To: elli1
Ijaz is of Pakistani descent, but he is not an immigrant. He was born in the US.

Thanks for that information.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

211 posted on 03/22/2004 9:43:46 AM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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To: mewzilla
Clarke was never cabinet-level in the first place, according to NRO
212 posted on 03/22/2004 9:44:18 AM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: Britton J Wingfield
Well, his post wasn't in the Cabinet, but the post of counter-terrorism czar is cabinet level.
213 posted on 03/22/2004 9:46:28 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: Joy Angela
What if...they not only encouraged the 911 terrorist attack, but also put evidence (and people) in place that would make Bush look bad when he took action?

I don't think that even the evil Clintons would have done that. But there are some facts about the end of their administration that make me wonder about how much they knew. My gut level feeling is that they knew something was up but they didn't know exactly what. Bill signed that EO putting Mad Albight in charge of domestic terrorism efforts which went into effect Oct. 1 before the election, IIRC. I've always been suspicious about that order and I still think it's evidence that he knew something was up. I also think that one of the reason's Hill had that poisoned look on her face during Pres. Bush's address to the joint congress after the attack was that she expected whatever was coming to help her husband, but instead, it gave a new meaning and definition to Pres. Bush's presidency.

214 posted on 03/22/2004 9:46:50 AM PST by twigs
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To: SevenofNine
pit bull
215 posted on 03/22/2004 9:51:55 AM PST by texasflower (in the event of the rapture.......the Bush White House will be unmanned)
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To: twigs
Can anyone get a site or full quote where Izaz stated on Fox & Friend that Clarke twice stopped or vetoed efforts to get Bin Laden?
216 posted on 03/22/2004 9:52:01 AM PST by alrea (Democrats, Europeans, your taxes and the U.N. can stop obesity and create jobs.)
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To: E Rocc
I have Sammon's book. No mention of Clarke in there either.
217 posted on 03/22/2004 9:55:50 AM PST by texasflower (in the event of the rapture.......the Bush White House will be unmanned)
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To: alrea
I didn't see it, so I don't know where it might be. But I've been hearing Ijaz say for years that he tried to help the Clinton Adm get UBL and he was dismissed. As far as I know, this is the first time he's named Clarke. My guess is that he was not naming names as a courtesy, then this guy comes up and writes this book which is one lie after another.

I would like to know why he writes it now. Obviously it's for the Clintons, but why?

218 posted on 03/22/2004 9:56:11 AM PST by twigs
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To: twigs
As a physist myself, and an investor, I am sure I can have all the access to CIA information, and even the hire the ex-CIA director to work for me!

All I know is the dude comes out with information that are hard for any reporter to get. If he has a backdoor to the CIA, I have never found our government rebuking him for talking too much about top secret stuff.

What trigerred my curiousity is the name of the investment company, which illustrates its Islamic background to attract the money from the Saudis, and Kuwaitis? Do you suppose all these thousands of Mosques in the US get built by US money?

219 posted on 03/22/2004 9:56:40 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: mewzilla
There goes what was left of Gergen's reputation.

You have to wonder if there may have been a little sugar in it for Gergen (stock options, friends calling in favors, etc.):

NEWS FOR SALE: CBS PUSHED BOOK IT OWNS

220 posted on 03/22/2004 9:58:10 AM PST by an amused spectator (John Kerry: Future Leader Of The Traffic Citation On Terror)
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To: Criminal Number 18F
tiwgs posted something here

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1102820/posts?page=136#136
221 posted on 03/22/2004 9:59:24 AM PST by texasflower (in the event of the rapture.......the Bush White House will be unmanned)
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To: baseballmom; mewzilla
I think that it is obvious that Clarke did have talks with Rice coming in the door. Age of Sacred Terror has maintained that for over a year without challenge.

And I do think it likely that Rice would be percieved as more interested in Russo/Sino issues as she was an old Communist fighter to begin with. Whether that was the actual case is hard to imagine, except the Clarke was known as "difficult" even by the Berger cadre that tried to portray him as a great intellectual synergist.

I think the point is what was in Clinton's briefing to Bush. That would be on record. Did Clinton think the Al Queda and bin Laden was low level enough that emminent threat wasn't highlighted as major-league in his brief?

If that was the case then much of what prima-donna asprin factory vetter Clarke maintains goes out the window.

222 posted on 03/22/2004 10:00:24 AM PST by KC Burke (tedsayshewasnevertaughttosurfacedive)
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To: mewzilla
You know what gets me, the rank stupidity of these people. What, they thought no-one would notice the 180 Clarke takes from Miniter's book? That Viacom is publishing this book? That Viacom's run by an FOB? I just wish the rest of the country's enemies were this terminally dumb.

"Liberals simply can't grasp the problem Lexis-Nexis poses to their incessant lying." - Ann Coulter (The Connecticut Peach)

223 posted on 03/22/2004 10:01:11 AM PST by an amused spectator (John Kerry: Future Leader Of The Traffic Citation On Terror)
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To: Criminal Number 18F; All
Mansoor Ijaz is a FOX News Channel foreign affairs and terrorism analyst. He joined FOX in December 2001 and contributes to FNC’s prime time and weekend news analysis programs on matters related to terrorism, foreign policy and national security.

Ijaz is founder and chairman of The Crescent Partnerships, a series of New York-based private equity partnerships focused exclusively on the development of national security technologies. The firm’s partners include retired Air Force Lt. Gen. James Abrahamson, former director of President Reagan’s Strategic Defense Initiative and Turkey’s Global Group. Former CIA Director James Woolsey serves as vice chairman of Crescent’s Board of Governors.

As a private American citizen, Ijaz negotiated Sudan’s counterterrorism offer to the Clinton administration in April 1997 and proposed the framework for a cease-fire of hostilities in Kashmir between Indian security forces and Muslim separatists in August 2000.

Ijaz is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and has been featured twice in BARRON’s Currency Roundtable discussions. He has contributed to the editorial pages of the Financial Times, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, Los Angeles Times, The Washington Post, Newsweek and International Herald Tribune on matters related to nuclear proliferation, terrorism, politics and the Islamic world.

Ijaz received his Bachelor’s degree magna cum laude in Physics from the University of Virginia and received his Master of Science degree in Mechanical Engineering from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

224 posted on 03/22/2004 10:06:44 AM PST by NewLand (The Bush Campaign has their high value target surrounded.)
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To: philosofy123
One reason he gets info is that he travels around the world. As a Muslim, he does have access to areas most Americans would not have. I've heard him report on conversations that quietly take place in mosques in different areas of the world.

I don't know that his info is considered "top-secret." It's always been the media's role to uncover what's going on. If the government were to ask journalists not to reveal what they know, they would howl censorship. There are times, of course, when the press does suppress what it knows at the request of the government, but from what I can tell, it's specific info related to specific operations for a short period of time. I don't think that Ijaz's info necessarily fits those parameters, but I could be wrong.

I've found the name of his company curious as well, but he IS Muslim--he's never denied it. He just wants to see more Muslims speak out against terrorism. You pose an interesting question about the building of mosques. If he were using the funds of his investment company in anti-American ventures, he's be a FOOL to be so public. And he doesn't strike me as a fool. Maybe not always right, but not stupid. I'm just not sure what to make of him, but I always listen to what he has to say. I hope that our government is too.

225 posted on 03/22/2004 10:10:14 AM PST by twigs
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To: Criminal Number 18F
Is he a citizen?

Born in Florida in 1961 and raised in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia, Ijaz lives in New York City today.

Ijaz's father, Dr. Mujaddid Ahmed Ijaz (deceased), a prominent American physicist, was an early pioneer in developing the intellectual infrastructure of Pakistan's nuclear program. Ijaz earned All-American weightlifting status while attending the University of Virginia.

226 posted on 03/22/2004 10:11:03 AM PST by NewLand (The Bush Campaign has their high value target surrounded.)
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To: twigs
I know that he has a lot of good information. I guess if Woosely works for him, he probably has a backdoor to info that you,and I don't have.
227 posted on 03/22/2004 10:19:42 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: mewzilla
"And when 43 came in, Clarke was demoted from his cabinet-level position. Gee, wonder why the lamestream never mentions that little fact."

Perhaps because, much to his chagrin, Clarke never HAD a cabinet-level position.

There are cabinet members, and there are not-cabinet-members.
Clarke was not a cabinet member.

228 posted on 03/22/2004 10:34:16 AM PST by Redbob (ultrakonservativen click-guerilla)
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To: Redbob
Cabinet-level is what I said. Though I'm not sure Clarke understood the distinction, either.
229 posted on 03/22/2004 10:37:22 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: mewzilla
Free Press, which is an imprint of Simon & Shyster. Which is owned by Viacom.

Wow, didn't know that, and the Left likes to talk about the Clearchannel conspiracy, that actually looks like one.

230 posted on 03/22/2004 10:45:50 AM PST by PeoplesRep_of_LA (I am no longer afraid to publicly say I love Jesus, thanks Mel)
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To: All
not sure if this is the whole story, but....

A second offer to get Bin Laden came unofficially from Mansoor Ijaz, a Pakistani-American millionaire who was a donor to Clinton's election campaign in 1996. On July 6, 2000, he visited John Podesta, then the president's chief of staff, to say that intelligence officers from a Gulf state were offering to help to extract Bin Laden.

Details of the meeting are confirmed in an exchange of e-mails between the White House and Ijaz, which have been seen by The Sunday Times. According to Ijaz, the offer involved setting up an Islamic relief fund to aid Afghanistan in return for the Taliban handing over Bin Laden to the Gulf state. America could then extract Bin Laden from there.

The Sunday Times has established that after a fierce internal row about the sincerity of the offer, the White House responded by sending Richard Clarke, Clinton's most senior counterterrorism adviser, to meet the rulers of the United Arab Emirates. They denied there was any such offer. Ijaz, however, maintained that the White House had thereby destroyed the deal, which was to have been arranged only through unofficial channels. Ijaz said that weeks later on a return trip to the Gulf he was taken on a late-night ride into the desert by his contact who told him that Clarke's front-door approach had upset a delicate internal balance and blown the deal. "Your government has missed a major opportunity," he recalls being told.

231 posted on 03/22/2004 10:46:32 AM PST by Headfulofghosts
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
I'd love to know why Free Press published it under their imprint.
232 posted on 03/22/2004 10:46:49 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: mewzilla
And I think Kerry's a bald-faced liar when he says he hasn't seen the galleys.
233 posted on 03/22/2004 10:47:46 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: SevenofNine
Okay I got question what type of dog Rummy is LOL!

Why,, a Junkyard Pit Bull of course! :)

234 posted on 03/22/2004 10:49:31 AM PST by DonnerT (Any compromise with evil is capitulation.!)
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To: twigs; ALOHA RONNIE
I also think that one of the reason's Hill had that poisoned look on her face during Pres. Bush's address to the joint congress after the attack was that she expected whatever was coming to help her husband, but instead, it gave a new meaning and definition to Pres. Bush's presidency.

I think Hillary's pained look was more like the pain
Vampires feel in the light of the sun!

Queen-of-Darkness Hillary
was recoiling from President Bushs' Light!

She didn't expect him to shine so brightly,
and perhaps she had even hoped 911 would doom his fate!

Remember...another of the Clinton foes...Author Barbara
Olsen died on 911 in the plane that hit the Pentagon.

And Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton was also on a
plane that same morning (he and Barbara were asked to
be guests that day for Politically Incorrect, and were
flying out to keep this appointment!)

Tom Fitton's plane never took off...due to the World Trade
Center Attacks, the airport stopped all flights.

What would have happened that day...it the planes had hit
the Capital Building, and all of the Clinton's foes had
perished that day?

Was a Political Coupe planned for 9-11?

We certainly see the fever in the Anti-War protests...

And Hillary's pained expression during Bush's
speech on 9-20 may have been disappointment that the
coupe didn't go as planned...

235 posted on 03/22/2004 10:55:57 AM PST by Joy Angela (** Keep Hillary FAR AWAY!!**)
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; Timesink; Gracey; Alamo-Girl; RottiBiz; bamabaseballmom; FoxGirl; Mr. Bob; ...
FoxFan ping!

Another thread here: Mansoor Ijaz rips Richard Clarke a new one on FOXNEWS

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my FoxFan list. *Warning: This can be a high-volume ping list at times.

236 posted on 03/22/2004 10:56:56 AM PST by nutmeg (Why vote for Bush? Imagine Commander in Chief John Fin al-Qerry)
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To: twigs; ALOHA RONNIE
Bill signed that EO putting Mad Albight in charge of domestic terrorism efforts which went into effect Oct. 1 before the election, IIRC

Very interesting!

237 posted on 03/22/2004 11:00:30 AM PST by Joy Angela (** Keep Hillary FAR AWAY!!**)
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To: twigs
I would like to know why he writes it now. Obviously it's for the Clintons, but why?

First of all, the tale of him being ignored by Condi was spun in Age of Sacred Terror and didn't get a lot of traction. As she is a black Republican, it is gospel to the left she must be discreditied.

Second, this is part of the ramp-up strategy to use the congressional hearings to "get" Bush just-in-time for the elections that was made clear by the Dims exposed memos in the Intell Commmittee. With his testimony coming up, this drags all sorts of things out for questions that would have seemed like rank and self-serving speculation without his puff piece to base them on.

Third, this guys legacy of service is listed as (1)WTC of 93 being addressed only in the criminal sense, thus bringing them back, (2) Million dollar rocket at a ten dollar tent as a response to embassy bombing, (3) This is the guy that bailed out Billy with the dreaded Asprin Factory that was going to kill us all, and (4) he was a go-to guy of ten years of service and it was capped by the worst attack on our soil in history--he has to want to make it look like he wasn't asleep at the switch.

Lastly, he is being demure about his association with Kerry. The Dims in power with go with his dimwitted ideas the Bush administration brushed aside of electronic war by Islam. His "best friend" is Kerry's guy...and he isn't? This guy is BUYING a job with spun secrets.

238 posted on 03/22/2004 11:08:46 AM PST by KC Burke (tedsayshewasnevertaughttosurfacedive)
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To: Joy Angela
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'HILLARY & TERRORISM's plan to regain the White House'

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1022571/posts


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239 posted on 03/22/2004 11:20:41 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: an amused spectator
Gergen makes me sick.
240 posted on 03/22/2004 11:21:50 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: E Rocc
Might not have been a DUmmy then. We have our own contingent that thinks any and all Muslims are terrorists in disguise.

The comment made reference to Ijaz's skin color, not his religion, and implied that he was slavishly pushing the Fox News Channel right-wing agenda. The tone of the comment was very similar to the one that was made in 2002 by Harry Belafonte in which he called Colin Powell a "house slave". I wouldn't doubt that a DUpe would come here and leave racist comments in an attempt to discredit the site and the ideas that are expressed here.

241 posted on 03/22/2004 11:24:57 AM PST by Fresh Wind (George Bush kills terrorists. Bill Clinton pardons them. John Al-Qerry will apologize to them.)
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To: Joy Angela
NEVER FORGET


...An April 2000 CLINTON Executive Order named JANET RENO head of a new National Emergency Response Team effective October 1, 2000 ..just before that year's Presidential Election...


"CLINTON ain't Leaving" = LARRY NICHOLS

http://www.Freerepublic.com/forum/a396b87fd3478.htm


NEVER FORGET
242 posted on 03/22/2004 11:48:20 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: philosofy123
What is the Peter principle? I bet my Peter is bigger than your Peter?

I wouldn't touch that bet with a... well, never mind. Seriously, you don't know about the Peter Principle? The term originated around 1970 and is fairly accurate, imo. The principle theorizes that certain individuals are promoted higher and higher up the ladder until they settle into a high level job in which they're totally incompetent. Ever wonder how the heck your moronic boss got his job? Well, that's the Peter Principle.

243 posted on 03/22/2004 12:51:32 PM PST by mtbopfuyn
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To: elli1
I hope your next four months here are more substantive than your first four (aside from the unintended comic relief).
244 posted on 03/22/2004 2:21:45 PM PST by rmgatto (lux et veritas (not heat))
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To: philosofy123
ping for later
245 posted on 03/22/2004 2:48:47 PM PST by Gracey (NOT Fonda Kerry and his 9.10 Democrat Party mentality)
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To: mathluv
Mansoor also said he would vote for Hillary for President, so he lost a lot of respect from this quarter.

Hey Mansoor, show me that you can be trusted!!

246 posted on 03/22/2004 2:55:18 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: OrioleFan
Clinton even got rid of all the US Attorneys!!! Just to put his own Democrat attorneys in there.
247 posted on 03/22/2004 3:12:16 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: sirchtruth
We did find an underground WMD lab.

1998 late - APRIL 2003 : (IRAQ : AFTER INTERNATIONAL INSPECTIONS END, MUCH OF THE HIDDEN UNDERGROUND NUCLEAR WEAPONS RESEARCH FACILITY AT AL TUWAITHA IS BUILT; IT WILL NOT BE REVEALED TO THE WORLD PUBLIC UNTIL US FORCES INVADE THE CITY IN APRIL 2003) In the deserted edifices of Iraqi science, there is the omnipresent Saddam. Paintings show Saddam with scientists; Saddam with farmers; Saddam with soldiers. On the walls, Saddam's face. In the scrub surrounding the guard bunkers, murals of Saddam. There are books of Saddam sayings. Scientists' offices glitter with medals, from Saddam. The offices underground, under unlit signs warning of "Gas/Gaz," are stuffed with videos and pictures, all showing how this complex was built, largely over the last four years after formal international inspections ended. The Marines haven't even mapped all the subterranean tunnels veining the site. In an above-ground library built like a fortress with a beautiful alabaster marble now washed in dust and mud, the clocks stopped at ten minutes until one. The stacks, cool because of the marble, hold the scientific manuals, textbooks and published papers for the Iraqi intelligentsia. In the commanding general's study, goldfish still swim in a long tank, glittering like the medals on his desk from Saddam. "Peaceful Uses of Atomic Energy for Scientific and Economic Development," a bulky green tome published in 1975, leans against the general's wall, under a picture of Saddam, whose Baathist Party came to power four years later in a bloody coup. On a mantle, folded under documents, a Christmas card never sent. On the front is a dove, its wings the ellipses of the atom, tinged in orange, yellow and green. Under it, a tiger, facing backward, its body a swirl of Arabic letters. Inside the card: "Rights of Third World Peoples To Alternate Energy Sources For the Future Development of Their Environment and Culture." The next page: "Let Us Hope This New Year Will Be a Year of Peace and Justice and With All Good Wishes for Christmas and the New Year." Signed, Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission. Baghdad. - "Marines hold nuclear site," by Carl Prine, Pittsburgh Tribune Review, Wednesday, April 9, 2003

DECEMBER 2002 - FEBRUARY 6, 2003 : (IAEA INSPECTORS CHECK UP ON TUWAITHA NUCLEAR RESEARCH CENTER & STORED URANIUM THERE; APPARENTLY GO UNDERGROUND ON SOME SEARCHES) The U.N. nuclear agency's inspectors have visited Tuwaitha about two dozen times, including a dozen checks carried out since December, most recently on Feb. 6 [2003]. It [Tuwaitha] was among the first sites that IAEA inspectors sought out after the resumption of inspections on Nov. 27 after a nearly four-year break. On at least one occasion, inspectors with special mountaineering training went underground there to have a look around, according to IAEA documents.- "Experts: U.S. 'Discovery' of Nuke Materials in Iraq Was Breach of U.N.-Monitored Site," Thursday, April 10, 2003 Associated Press via Fox News

FEBRUARY 2003 : (IRAQ : AL-TUWAITHA : AIEA INSPECTORS SEARCH KNOWN SITES AT AL-TUWAITHA, BUT MISS AN UNDERGROUND CITY OF LABS, WAREHOUSES AND OFFICES WHICH WOULD LATER BE FOUND AFTER THE COALITION INVASION) International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors who combed the site [al-Tuwaitha] - "Marines hold nuclear site," by Carl Prine, Pittsburgh Tribune Review, Wednesday, April 9, 2003

FEBRUARY 2003 : (IRAQ : UN ARMS INSPECTORS VISITED FACILITY IN THE VICINITY OF KARBALA CHEMICAL PLANT - KARBALA PLANT IS WHERE US ARMY WOULD LATER FIND BURIED SHIPPING CONTAINERS OF LAB EQUIPMENT) U.N. arms inspectors visited a facility in the immediate vicinity of the [Karbala] chemical plant Feb. 23, but did not find the buried equipment. [that 101st Airborne later found buried at the plant] Officials at the U.S. Central Command suggested that no conclusions should be drawn.- "Experts: U.S. 'Discovery' of Nuke Materials in Iraq Was Breach of U.N.-Monitored Site," Thursday, April 10, 2003 Associated Press via Fox News

FEBRUARY 6, 2003 : (LAST VISIT BY UN IAEA INSPECTORS TO TUWAITHA NUCLEAR RESEARCH CENTER TO CHECK UP ON URANIUM STORED THERE) The U.N. nuclear agency's inspectors have visited Tuwaitha about two dozen times, including a dozen checks carried out since December, most recently on Feb. 6 [2003]. It was among the first sites that IAEA inspectors sought out after the resumption of inspections on Nov. 27 [2002] after a nearly four-year break.- "Experts: U.S. 'Discovery' of Nuke Materials in Iraq Was Breach of U.N.-Monitored Site," Thursday, April 10, 2003 Associated Press via Fox News

MARCH 2003 : (IRAQ : SCIENTISTS & SPECIAL REPUBLICAN GUARD ABANDON AL TUWAITHA NUCLEAR RESEARCH FACILITY, ACCORDING TO LATER REPORTS OF IRAQI VILLAGERS) - "Marines hold nuclear site," by Carl Prine, Pittsburgh Tribune Review, Wednesday, April 9, 2003

APRIL 5?, 2003 : (IRAQ : AL TUWAITHA NUCLEAR WEAPONS RESEARCH FACILITY IS DESERTED BY IRAQIS, US FORCES ARRIVE) - "Marines hold nuclear site," by Carl Prine, Pittsburgh Tribune Review, Wednesday, April 9, 2003

APRIL 2003 : (IRAQ : AL-TUWAITHA : US MARINES SECURE YELLOWCAKE STORAGE BUILDING) The Marine Corps' Combat Engineer Battalion secured the above- and below-ground laboratories, bunkers, artillery and small arms caches deserted by the Iraqi Special Republican Guard as coalition forces closed in on Baghdad. At a warehouse about 400 yards outside Tuwaitha, the Marines secured what they called the "Yellow Cake" facility. Named "Location C" by international inspectors, the building had been placed under seal by investigators in 1991 to keep fissionable material from being reused in Iraq's atomic weapons program. The Marines, who insist they never broke the IAEA's seals, discovered high levels of radioactivity behind an open steel door, where blue barrels of uranium water filled the storeroom. Marines believed "Yellow Cake" had been burglarized days earlier by villagers searching for air conditioners, furniture and window glass. - "Fate of Al-Tuwaitha nuclear material unclear," By Carl Prine, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Tuesday, May 6, 2003

APRIL 6?, 2003 : (IRAQ : AL-TUWAITHA : USMC COMBAT ENGINEERS DISCOVER PREVIOUSLY UNKNOWN UNDERGROUND NUCLEAR FACILITY AT AL-TUWAITHA) - "Marines hold nuclear site," by Carl Prine, Pittsburgh Tribune Review, Wednesday, April 9, 2003

APRIL 8, 2003 : (IRAQ : INVESTIGATORS DISCOVER THAT THE IRAQI AEC TOWN AL TUWAITHA HIDES A SUBTERRANEAN NUCLEAR RESEARCH 'CITY') Investigators Tuesday (April 8, 2003) discovered [or shall we say confirmed, since Marines discovered it a few days ago] that Al-Tuwaitha hides another city. South of Baghdad — In a valley sculpted by man, between the palms and roses, lies a vast marble and steel city known as Al-Tuwaitha. In the suburbs about 18 miles south of the capital's suburbs, this city comprises nearly 100 buildings — workshops, laboratories, cooling towers, nuclear reactors, libraries and barracks — that belong to the Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission. This underground nexus of labs, warehouses, and bomb-proof offices was hidden from the public and, perhaps, International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors who combed the site just two months ago, until the U.S. Marine Corps Combat Engineers discovered it three days ago.[on April 6] Today, the Marines hold it against enemy counter-attacks. - "Marines hold nuclear site," by Carl Prine, Pittsburgh Tribune Review, Wednesday, April 9, 2003

APRIL 10, 2003 Thursday : (FORMER IAEA INSPECTOR KAY SAYS TUWAITHA UNDERGROUND NUcLEAR WEAPONS SITE WAS MISSED BY INSECTION TEAMS AFTER [OPERATION DESERT STORM] GULF WAR DESPITE RUMORS IT EXISTED; US MILITARY JUST FOUND UNDERGROUND SITES THERE) David Kay, a former IAEA chief nuclear inspector, said Thursday that the teams he oversaw after the 1991 Gulf War never found an underground site at Tuwaitha despite persistent rumors. "But underground facilities by definition are very hard to detect," he said. "When you inspect a place so often, you get overconfident about what you know. It would have been very easy for the inspectors to explain away any excessive radiation at Tuwaitha. The Iraqis could have hidden something clandestine in plain sight."- "Experts: U.S. 'Discovery' of Nuke Materials in Iraq Was Breach of U.N.-Monitored Site," Thursday, April 10, 2003 Associated Press via Fox News

APRIL 2003 mid-month : (IRAQ: AL-TUWAITHA : US ARMY THIRD INFANTRY DIVISION TAKES OVER SECURITY) - "Fate of Al-Tuwaitha nuclear material unclear," By Carl Prine, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Tuesday, May 6, 2003 *

MAY 3, 2003 : (IRAQ : AL-TUWAITHA : PHYSICISTS ARRIVE AT IRAQI NUCLEAR RESEARCH FACILITY AFTER US ARMY'S THIRD INFANTRY DIVISION TAKES OVER SECURITY) The Pentagon's scout team moved on to other suspected atomic sites, and a follow-up group of physicists didn't arrive at Tuwaitha until May 3, nearly a month after the Marines first arrived and two weeks after the Third Infantry Division took over. - "Fate of Al-Tuwaitha nuclear material unclear," By Carl Prine, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Tuesday, May 6, 2003 *

JUNE 2003 : (DR. DAVID KELLY IS INTERVIEWED BY THE UK'S SUNDAY TIMES : KELLY REVEALS THAT IRAQ CONCOCTED A DIRTY BOMB DURING THE IRAN-IRAQ WAR) In a June interview with the newspaper, Kelly revealed that Saddam originally built the dread weapon [a dirty bomb] capable of causing cancer and birth defects for use against Iranian troops during the Iran-Iraq war as a tactical weapon and an instrument of terror. Moreover Kelly insisted that said Iraq still "possessed the know-how and the materials to build a radiological weapon, "adding that the threat posed by such weapons was potentially more serious than some other weapons of mass destruction because Iraq still retained the main ingredients to build dirty bombs such as nuclear material and high explosives. When the Times asked why this shocking information was not featured in the British government's case for going to war against Iraq, Kelly said he did not know, but added that there were people in government who were skeptical about the potency of such a weapon. In private, Kelly is said to have believed the evidence should have been included in the dossier because of the possibility that Iraq could reactivate the program even after it had been stripped of other non-conventional weapons. - "Dead U.K. Expert: Saddam Built a Dirty Bomb," by Phil Brennan, NewsMax.com, Monday, Aug. 4, 2003
[* My note: Kelly would end up dead during the BBC scandals]

JULY 2003 : (DR DAVID KELLY REPORTEDLY COMMITS SUICIDE) - "Dead U.K. Expert: Saddam Built a Dirty Bomb," by Phil Brennan, NewsMax.com, Monday, Aug. 4, 2003

AUGUST 2003 early : (THE UK'S SUNDAY TIMES REPORTS THAT DR. DAVID KELLY HAD PROVIDED EVIDENCE OF IRAQ'S POSSESSION OF WMD BACK IN JUNE) New evidence of Saddam Hussein’s possession of weapons of mass destruction was provided last June [2002?] by a top weapons expert, now dead, and it could have an enormous impact on the 2004 presidential election. The stunning revelation by the British scientist, who committed suicide last month over the issue of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction could have anti-war Democrats running for cover. According to Britain's Sunday Times, Dr. David Kelly had amassed convincing evidence that Saddam Hussein had built and tested a dirty nuclear bomb as long ago as 1987, and was perfectly capable of building the deadly weapons right up to the final months of his regime. - "Dead U.K. Expert: Saddam Built a Dirty Bomb," by Phil Brennan, NewsMax.com, Monday, Aug. 4, 2003

248 posted on 03/22/2004 3:28:01 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
So WHY isn't the 911 Commission taking their testimony..?

I appreciate your response. I am extremely pleased to see your report.

Let Mansoor go after Clarke with a vengence!

249 posted on 03/22/2004 3:31:42 PM PST by sirchtruth
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To: sirchtruth; Mo1; Jimmy Valentine's brother
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This is getting real interesting.

Today the Viacom-owned TV stations in Los Angeles, KCAL-9 & KCBS-2, News shows are including in their CLARK Reports that "His new book is being produced by Viacom which owns CBS..!!!

Look for MONSOOR IJAZ to unload on CLARK and the CLINTON White House during tonight's FoX News Channel TV Shows ..especially the GRETTA VanSUSTREN Show @ 7pm Pacific Time-10pm Eastern Time.

A guest Washington Times Reporter just stated on the HUGH HEWITT National Talk Radio Show that the Democrats are so afraid they will be held responsible for the Sept 11th Attacks by History that they are releasing CLARK's Book as a Cover.

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250 posted on 03/22/2004 4:34:38 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com)
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