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Mansoor Ijaz slamming Richard Clarke on Fox'N Friends
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Posted on 03/22/2004 4:28:39 AM PST by ReleaseTheHounds

Mansoor Ijaz just called Richard Clarke essentially a liar. Challenged virtually all of his claims -- and accused Clarke of stonewalling Ijaz's efforts to capture Bin Laden via the Sudanese.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; bias; ccrm; foxnews; ijaz; media; richardclarke; stophillary; sudan
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To: sirchtruth
Can someone point out the list of things Mansoor has stated that were found to be actually true? I appreciate his response to Clarke, but I don't know if I buy his BS all the time because I've had a hard time finding something he stated or claimed that was true.

Funny you should say that. On another thread, regarding appearances by Condi and Wes Clark on The Today Show this morning, I made a similar comment, to wit:

Ijaz is a riot. He kind of reminds me of Geraldo. He's always very excited about one thing or another, but it rarely seems that his breathless predictions come true. Still, he always comes across as very authoritative, which is helpful!

51 posted on 03/22/2004 5:00:01 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: All
Ok, I will go look and check all that stuff out. Although I will tell you all I haven't seen one thing Mansoor has said about Iraq WMD that has been true. He has made some pretty bold allegations especially to FoxNews, and O'Reilly about WMD and the Iraq war that to date have not shown themselves to be substansive.

One thing that really PMO was he stated to O'Reilly that sometime around the SOTU address (2004) we would have found a WMD lab underground along with WMD...Why would he state such a thing unless he was 100% sure, because that's what he led O'Reilly to believe.

I'd gather new sources if I were him!

52 posted on 03/22/2004 5:01:32 AM PST by sirchtruth
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To: Terp
Rice on her part looked shaken to me.

I think maybe Condi is a bit shaken -- shaken with fury. She normally is completely serene and totally composed -- but this barrage from Dems, the partisan media, the partisan 9-11 panel, and now this former member of her staff have to be taking their toll.

I don't know if I've ever seen a more consistently perfect public figure, in terms of her dealings with the press, public, etc., than Condi. If she appears a bit "off", I think that's because we've come to expect perfection and with all of the missiles coming in from left field, I think it is only natural for her to be a bit off kilter.

Still: she's better than anyone the Dems can hold up. I'm glad the Bushies are now getting out to defend their record.

53 posted on 03/22/2004 5:01:47 AM PST by ReleaseTheHounds
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To: Alas Babylon!
big media will basically push Clarke's allegations while ignoring any substantial counterpoints or fact verification

Exactly right, and notice how the lies are becoming more and more blatent? Now they're telling people they didn't hear what they heard. Hopefully they will fail in their attempt to annoint Senator Weeble.

54 posted on 03/22/2004 5:01:49 AM PST by Vesuvian (Quattro Power!)
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To: section9
Chris is correct! Rice was livid. All of you "doomsayers" just sit back and watch the dims implode over this issue. It may be the weekend (or next week) before we see the results, but this is going to be bad for klintoon and the dims!

LLS
55 posted on 03/22/2004 5:02:12 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (We point out Kerry's record and the facts, and they just THINK it's attack politics.)
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To: Impeach the Boy
I agree with you. Unfortunately, one can't go in and fire a 'guvmint' employee, thanks to their union. Unless they are an appointee, once hired, they pretty much have a job for life.
56 posted on 03/22/2004 5:02:27 AM PST by mathluv (Protect my grandchildren's future. Vote for Bush/Cheney '04.)
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To: mewzilla
Ah, yes - Simon & Schuster, Hillary's vanity press agent and personal piggy bank.

Americans should remember that these book deals are financed in part through the public libraries - local and university. In effect the Democrats have got their own private slush fund in the libraries.

57 posted on 03/22/2004 5:02:43 AM PST by an amused spectator (John Kerry: Future Leader Of The Traffic Citation On Terror)
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To: mathluv
Don't have to fire them...just get them out of ANY flow of information.
58 posted on 03/22/2004 5:03:57 AM PST by Moby Grape
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To: an amused spectator
Kinda wonder why Simon & Shyster didn't just print the book under the S&S imprint.
59 posted on 03/22/2004 5:03:59 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: anniegetyourgun
He used a racial slur to describe Ijaz. The Mods are on the ball, as always!
60 posted on 03/22/2004 5:04:45 AM PST by Fresh Wind (George Bush kills terrorists. Bill Clinton pardons them. John Al-Qerry will apologize to them.)
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To: sirchtruth
Read "While America Slept" by Gerald Posner. The Clintoons were Clinclueless or perhaps they ignored what was going on because they had a different agenda for America.

Some how I just can't see the Clintoon staff giving a whole lot of help to the incoming Bush administration.

I find Mansoor Ijaz more credible than Richard Cyber Clarke who guess what, has a book coming out this week. WOW what a coincidence.
61 posted on 03/22/2004 5:05:30 AM PST by MagnoliaB (Never forget.)
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To: Impeach the Boy
That is probably being done. That does not mean these people will not speak up or act out. They like their power.
62 posted on 03/22/2004 5:08:11 AM PST by mathluv (Protect my grandchildren's future. Vote for Bush/Cheney '04.)
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To: Judith Anne
Ijaz said that in the negotiations he was trying to arrange to get Bin Laden in US custody, CLARKE personally blocked his way.

Why he waited with saying this until Clarke broke the ranks?

63 posted on 03/22/2004 5:10:04 AM PST by A. Pole (<SARCASM> The genocide of Albanians was stopped in its tracks before it began.</S>)
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To: Terp
She looked fine to me. Her voice always sounds a bit shaky. This morning she lost most of that quivering pretty fast since she was so mad.
64 posted on 03/22/2004 5:11:00 AM PST by texasflower (in the event of the rapture.......the Bush White House will be unmanned)
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To: an amused spectator
Wow. Sounds like Mansoor Ijaz has got quite a track record of BS, sirchtruth. Can you post up 4 or 5 examples of this BS, just off the top of your head? I mean, should be pretty easy, neh?

Look, don't get me wrong here. I want to believe what this guy says, but not at the expense of just liking his rhetoric.

I asked for someone to show me some facts and freepers responded with sources for me to check out. I'm going too. I believe this guy is legit, I just haven't seen his claim come about.

I posted an example in my previous reply.

65 posted on 03/22/2004 5:12:00 AM PST by sirchtruth
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To: risk

I'm so grateful to see this level of sanity and courage from a Pakistani immigrant.

Ijaz is of Pakistani descent, but he is not an immigrant. He was born in the US.

66 posted on 03/22/2004 5:13:25 AM PST by elli1
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To: mewzilla
Another interesting point Ijaz made is that Bubba and Halfbright didn't mention AQ in their briefings to their incoming opposite numbers. Tellijng omission. And anyone who doesn't think the 9-11 Commission is there to cover Bubba's backside should take note of the timing of Clarke's testimony. It's no accident.

I'm not clear on this. Monsoor Ijaz is saying that Clinton admin. did NOT brief them properly on al Quadea. But I'm not hearing Condi say that. I could have missed it. What's your take on this.
67 posted on 03/22/2004 5:13:46 AM PST by baseballmom
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To: Terp
Condi Rice didn't look shaken to me. She did, however, look angry as all get out. :o)
68 posted on 03/22/2004 5:14:36 AM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds
This is just part of the coordinated campaign to discredit the Bush administration.

There will likely be lots more of these type of totally false accusations and outlandish claims from "insiders".

The Bush administration seems to be more than a match for Team Kerry.

69 posted on 03/22/2004 5:14:51 AM PST by There's millions of'em (Saddam's money trail will lead to the DNC...)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds
Who was the heavy-set guy on Fox, after Condi was on talking? He was talking about a meeting with lower level people, during the transition period. He mentioned that they received a slide show with info, and only slide #30 mentioned OBL in passing. Nothing important etc., and that is all they received. Who was he, and I wonder how he saw these slides etc. We need more info on this.

Karen

70 posted on 03/22/2004 5:15:22 AM PST by KE
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To: ReleaseTheHounds
Is every politician in someones pocket or crooked?
71 posted on 03/22/2004 5:16:20 AM PST by JamesA ( The more you try to change my convictions the more resolved I am to keep them.)
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To: sirchtruth; ReleaseTheHounds; governsleastgovernsbest
Sounds like governsleastgovernsbest has partly backed your claim about Mansoor Ijaz's reputation for sensationalism, so you needn't look too hard to further impress us.

Although I will tell you all I haven't seen one thing Mansoor has said about Iraq WMD that has been true. He has made some pretty bold allegations especially to FoxNews, and O'Reilly about WMD and the Iraq war that to date have not shown themselves to be substansive.

I'm not quite sure why everyone gets uptight about "WMDs". I view any speculation either way on the WMDs the same way I view testimony from an ordinary computer user about why their computer broke. I wasn't there on the Syrian border, so I don't know what went on, period, and somebody is prolly omitting stuff and shading the facts to cover their keister.

One thing that really PMO was he stated to O'Reilly that sometime around the SOTU address (2004) we would have found a WMD lab underground along with WMD...Why would he state such a thing unless he was 100% sure, because that's what he led O'Reilly to believe.

AH! Now here's a good example of the sensationalism that you & governsleastgovernsbest are concerned about! You might be right about the "new sources". ;-)

72 posted on 03/22/2004 5:17:07 AM PST by an amused spectator (John Kerry: Future Leader Of The Traffic Citation On Terror)
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To: risk
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MONSOOR IJAZ =

The most feared man in America by Democrats


(Now a FoX News Analyst for the FoX News Channel, seen often GRETTA VanSUSTREN's weeknight TV Show and also seen on Weekends reporting from abroad. He broke the story of the current Pakistani hunt for OSAMA bin LADEN's No. 2)

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73 posted on 03/22/2004 5:17:58 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: A. Pole
Why he waited with saying this until Clarke broke the ranks?

Ijaz has many times condemned Clinton and his administration for passing up on capturing Bin Laden. To my knowledge, he hasn't mentioned Clarke by name until now.

You can't respond to a lie until it's told--Clarke went on TV and told lies, Ijaz responded this AM.

74 posted on 03/22/2004 5:18:00 AM PST by Judith Anne (Is life a paradox? Well, yes and no...)
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To: elli1
[Ijaz Mansoor] was born in the US.

Thanks for the correction!

75 posted on 03/22/2004 5:18:04 AM PST by risk
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To: mewzilla
I saw a post last night that Clarke's publisher is owned by Viacom - same as CBS is owned by Viacom. Sorry, I can't remember the name of publisher.
76 posted on 03/22/2004 5:18:11 AM PST by baseballmom
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To: baseballmom
To sum it up, it sounds as though Toon didn't bother to make it clear from top to bottom on the way out that AQ was an immediate menace. Makes perfect sense. If they had, then someone could reasonably have asked them why in Hades then didn't they do anything about it. This is something the 9-11 Commission should be looking into. What the Toon admin passed along to 43. But the Commission won't. Not properly. And if I recall correctly, not under oath, either. Which is a necessity when dealing with Clintonoids.
77 posted on 03/22/2004 5:18:36 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: baseballmom
Free Press, which is an imprint of Simon & Shyster. Which is owned by Viacom.
78 posted on 03/22/2004 5:19:33 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: KE
Who was the heavy-set guy on Fox, after Condi was on talking? He was talking about a meeting with lower level people, during the transition period. He mentioned that they received a slide show with info, and only slide #30 mentioned OBL in passing. Nothing important etc., and that is all they received. Who was he, and I wonder how he saw these slides etc. We need more info on this.

That was Mansoor Ijaz, subject of this thread.

79 posted on 03/22/2004 5:20:38 AM PST by an amused spectator (John Kerry: Future Leader Of The Traffic Citation On Terror)
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To: arasina
Alexander Haig just gave the Dims heck and said that Kerry is consorting with the enemy in a time of war.
80 posted on 03/22/2004 5:20:50 AM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: an amused spectator
it was John Podhorotz
81 posted on 03/22/2004 5:21:49 AM PST by The Wizard
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To: KE
That was John Podhoretz. He just released a good book called "Bush Country: How Dubya Became a Great President While Driving Liberals Insane".

Yes, that is the real title. I love that he used Dubya in the title.
82 posted on 03/22/2004 5:22:01 AM PST by texasflower (in the event of the rapture.......the Bush White House will be unmanned)
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To: an amused spectator
She was talking about John Podhoretz
83 posted on 03/22/2004 5:23:09 AM PST by texasflower (in the event of the rapture.......the Bush White House will be unmanned)
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To: A. Pole
Monsoor has stated it time and time again but never mentioned Clarke by name.
84 posted on 03/22/2004 5:23:35 AM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: an amused spectator
No, I don't mean the interview with Mansoor Ijaz. there was a heavy-set balding guy on for just 2-3 minutes, talking about a meeting the Bush transition team was at with a lower level team from the Clinton WH, before Bush was Ignau. He definitely said it was a slide show, (don't know how many slides), and that only slide #30 mentioned OBL in passing, nothing important. He hinted that Dick Clark was a liar. hummmmmm?

Karen

85 posted on 03/22/2004 5:24:22 AM PST by KE
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To: sirchtruth
Me thinks that a good portion of Ijaz' ''BS'' is purposeful & coordinated (w/ the Pentagon) disinformation. Keep in mind that he is not billed as a ''journalist'', but as an ''analyst''.
86 posted on 03/22/2004 5:24:48 AM PST by elli1
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To: section9
Good points Chris. I do know that my local rag, (The Montgomery Advertiser (Alabama), is owned by Gannet, and loves to include stories by Knight-Ritter, USA Today, AP, and Reuters bringing up charges against Bush et al, and then never, ever print a story opposing said releases. I will write them, but they have yet to print one of my letters. When they print a pro-Bush letter, the writer generally comes off as a yahoo redneck. Maybe I should write in that style?
87 posted on 03/22/2004 5:25:18 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: sirchtruth
He did claim that Bill Clinton did not take bin Laden when offered by Sudan.

It seems easy to believe that now that we know Clinton had bin Laden in the sights of a drone on at least one occasion. Some are saying three times or more.

A little math shows that Mansoor is at least believable.
88 posted on 03/22/2004 5:25:47 AM PST by Preachin'
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To: KE
To Myself - I got it now - John Podhoretz.

Thank you.

Karen.

89 posted on 03/22/2004 5:25:48 AM PST by KE
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To: KE
that was Podhoritz. Writes for NY Post and others
90 posted on 03/22/2004 5:26:06 AM PST by captbarney
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To: an amused spectator
"Who was the heavy-set guy on Fox, after Condi was on talking? He was talking about a meeting with lower level people, during the transition period. He mentioned that they received a slide show with info, and only slide #30 mentioned OBL in passing. Nothing important etc., and that is all they received. Who was he, and I wonder how he saw these slides etc. We need more info on this."

"That was Mansoor Ijaz, subject of this thread."




I don't think the "heavy-set guy on Fox, after Condi" is Mansoor Ijaz, there was someone else, which I listened to but did not look to see.
91 posted on 03/22/2004 5:26:10 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: KE
Sorry, Karen, I missed that one.
92 posted on 03/22/2004 5:27:11 AM PST by ReleaseTheHounds
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To: Just mythoughts
John Podhoritz
93 posted on 03/22/2004 5:27:35 AM PST by The Wizard
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To: The Wizard
Thanks!
94 posted on 03/22/2004 5:29:32 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: section9; governsleastgovernsbest
She's seen this before, and she doesn't like it. And I agree with her. It's assclown stuff. Trust me on this: she isn't shaken; she's angry. On ABC's GMA, she had to sit there and listen to Clarke give his spiel for almost ten minutes. When Gibson turned to her it was like watching a thoroughbred bolt out of the gate. She lit into Clarke, then into his arguments.

Ann Curry (NBC) started to light into Wesley "Let Me Clarify" Clark when he started in with the Democrat hit this morning. She wanted to point out that Clark supported the war in Iraq, but he hauled her up by saying he never had.

I was left wondering if he had.

95 posted on 03/22/2004 5:29:44 AM PST by an amused spectator (John Kerry: Future Leader Of The Traffic Citation On Terror)
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To: Alas Babylon!
Our local paper, the Tuscaloosa News, is owned by the NY Times, but they almost always print letters sent in.

96 posted on 03/22/2004 5:30:06 AM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch
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To: FreedomPoster
And turned against them because of their lack of action on OBL/terrorism.

Not too soon...he donated to Hillary! after he left office...he couldn't have been too disappointed with the 'toons.

97 posted on 03/22/2004 5:30:51 AM PST by blanknoone (Give Kerry enough nuance, and he will hang himself.)
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To: Judith Anne
Does Mansoor works for the US government? In What capacity?
98 posted on 03/22/2004 5:30:59 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: KE
Oh, I'm sorry - they're right. It was Podhoretz. He's one of our guys - I never miss his stuff on FR.
99 posted on 03/22/2004 5:31:06 AM PST by an amused spectator (John Kerry: Future Leader Of The Traffic Citation On Terror)
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To: mewzilla
Thanks, for the publisher info.

Watching Condi on CNN, she said she was very well aware of AQ, from the embassy bombings and the USS Cole. They asked Clarke to come up with a comprehensive report, which he did, and, she indicated it was satisfactroy. However, he was NOT invited to the Camp David meeting on the weekend after 9/11.

Her criticism was that Clarke was too narrowly focused, and GW had a broader strategy of taking the fight to the terrorists, ALL of them, not just in Afghanistan. But Afghanistan was the starting point for that strategy.
100 posted on 03/22/2004 5:32:24 AM PST by baseballmom
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