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West Virginia governor angry over Abercrombie T-shirt that spoofs state
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 3.23.04

Posted on 03/23/2004 8:53:16 AM PST by mhking

CHARLESTON, W.Va. -- Gov. Bob Wise sent a letter to Abercrombie & Fitch on Monday demanding that the clothing retailer stop selling a T-shirt that spoofs the state with the slogan, "It's All Relative in West Virginia."

Wise said the T-shirt depicts "an unfounded, negative stereotype of West Virginia."

"I write to you today to demand that you immediately remove this item from your stores and your print and online catalogues," Wise wrote. "In addition, these shirts must be destroyed at once to avoid any possibility of resale and proof be given thereof."

Abercrombie & Fitch spokesman Tom Lennox declined to say whether the New Albany, Ohio-based company would comply with the governor's request. He said the T-shirt, which features the slogan on an outline of the state, has been selling well at $22.50.

"We love West Virginia. We love California, Florida, Connecticut, Hawaii and Nebraska too. Abercrombie & Fitch was born and raised in the USA, and we honor all 50 states in the union," Lennox said.

West Virginia is not the only state that is spoofed on an Abercrombie & Fitch T-shirt. Another shirt's slogan is "New Hampshire. 40 million squirrels can't be wrong."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: abercrombie; abercrombiefitch; justdamn; tshirts; wvpolitics
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1 posted on 03/23/2004 8:53:17 AM PST by mhking
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To: mhking
Its funny cause its true!
2 posted on 03/23/2004 8:53:59 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...
 

Didn't we just have to deal with Urban Outfitters?

Just damn.

If you want on the list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

3 posted on 03/23/2004 8:54:47 AM PST by mhking (The UN was supposed to be the last, best hope for peace...it failed.)
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To: mhking
They're in trouble now. "Hot Lips" Wise is on their case.
4 posted on 03/23/2004 8:58:14 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: mhking
Lol..I need to get that squirrel one...I have a friend from NH.
5 posted on 03/23/2004 9:07:27 AM PST by Blue Scourge (Off I go into the Wild Blue Yonder...)
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To: mhking
No prob - get some West VA business to sponsor the production of their own t-shirts, captioned:

"Abercrombie: We molest little boys"

6 posted on 03/23/2004 9:07:33 AM PST by Fenris6
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Check out the one on the left...is it you? Can you see yourself in that shirt?
7 posted on 03/23/2004 9:09:42 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet ("Lashing out" at Democrats since 1990.)
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To: mountaineer; WVNan
west virginia ping (where everyone is related?)
8 posted on 03/23/2004 9:10:35 AM PST by DollyCali ("Trying to keep the Freepers pulling in the same direction is like trying to herd cats." Richard Poe)
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To: mhking
So A&F can sell thongs with flirty phrases on them to pre-teen girls and can issue a catalog chock full of nekkid teens and the governor won't speak up.

What does it take to make some elected officials fight the culture war?

This shirt is a joke and so is WV government it would seem.

9 posted on 03/23/2004 9:11:02 AM PST by weegee (From the way the Spanish voted - it seems that the Europeans do know there is an Iraq-Al Qaida link.)
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To: mhking
The WV and NH shirts are nothing compared to the shirt on the right. THAT's the one I have a problem with.
10 posted on 03/23/2004 9:11:50 AM PST by BSunday
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To: mhking
I think it's funny (and I'm the product of a long line of cousin marriages). WV ought to respond with a new advertising campaign. "Something like When you're here, you're family." "Come join our family." All kinds of good possibilities.
11 posted on 03/23/2004 9:14:45 AM PST by twigs
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To: Blue Scourge
I knew that there was a reason Howie Dean was so squirrely. he was just shoring up the base.
12 posted on 03/23/2004 9:15:10 AM PST by weegee (From the way the Spanish voted - it seems that the Europeans do know there is an Iraq-Al Qaida link.)
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To: mhking
A Google search reveals that there is an actual "Cheeses of Nazareth" in a small town in Scotland. Apparently it's a popular deli there.

As I remember, there are a couple of Nazareths here in the US. Great name for a cheese shop or deli.

Of course, the perpetually ticked off will find such a thing blasphemous. It's actually a pretty funny play on worlds.
13 posted on 03/23/2004 9:15:25 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: VadeRetro
What's all the fuss about? It's obviously a reference to Einsteinian general relativity, which I'm sure most West Virginians spend a lot of time thinking about...
14 posted on 03/23/2004 9:15:55 AM PST by general_re (The doors to Heaven and Hell are adjacent and identical... - Nikos Kazantzakis)
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To: mhking
A&F had so much more class before Oshman's sold them.
15 posted on 03/23/2004 9:17:24 AM PST by Jaded (My sheeple, my sheeple, what have you done to Me?)
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To: mhking
Wise said the T-shirt depicts "an unfounded, negative stereotype of West Virginia."

If it's unfounded, then why the fuss?

16 posted on 03/23/2004 9:17:30 AM PST by MrB
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To: mhking
A&F had so much more class before Oshman's sold them.
17 posted on 03/23/2004 9:17:32 AM PST by Jaded (My sheeple, my sheeple, what have you done to Me?)
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To: BSunday
I find that offensive, too.
18 posted on 03/23/2004 9:18:47 AM PST by twigs
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To: general_re
Anyway, my own fave WV joke is "West Virginia, where 'bisexual' means 'sheeps and goats'!" (Hot Lips Wise probably doesn't like that one either.)
19 posted on 03/23/2004 9:23:50 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: MrB
Believe me, it's not unfounded. I just think they ought to have fun with this.
20 posted on 03/23/2004 9:25:07 AM PST by twigs
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To: VadeRetro
How do you know the tooth brush was invented in WV?

If it was invented anywhere else it would be called a teeth brush!

I told that joke to an old co-worker when I learned his wife was from WV. He did not like it. I then sat at my desk and opened the paper. First headline I saw read "WV Leads Nation in Toothlessness". I cut it out and put it on his desk.

21 posted on 03/23/2004 9:28:52 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: Phantom Lord
If it was invented anywhere else it would be called a teeth brush!

Another goodie! My late father used to call up the stairs to my sister: "Helen! Brush your teeth! And tell your brother to brush his tooth!"

22 posted on 03/23/2004 9:31:48 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: mhking
Hmph. That's not mean.

This is mean...

"Senator Robert C. Byrd welcomes you to West Virginia...where it's all about the Klan."

23 posted on 03/23/2004 9:34:18 AM PST by RichInOC (Byrd for Senate: Everything's Gonna Be All-White.)
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To: twigs
WV ought to respond with a new advertising campaign. Something like "When you're here, you're family."

That will work … as long as there are no Olive Garden restaurants in West Virginia …

(ducking)

24 posted on 03/23/2004 9:40:22 AM PST by ShorelineMike (We're in a battle for the soul of our nation ... and some folks want to bring bottle caps.)
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To: mhking
Well, I'd mock the state as well, but we need it in November.

Oh well. I'll mock it anyway.

Nelson says: HA! HA!

25 posted on 03/23/2004 9:41:51 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: mhking
Is his first-cousin wife upset also?
26 posted on 03/23/2004 9:45:58 AM PST by TommyDale
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To: Phantom Lord; DollyCali
They should've put a picture of a "tree with no fork in it" too....
27 posted on 03/23/2004 9:48:03 AM PST by b4its2late (By the time you can make ends meet, they move the ends.)
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To: Fenris6
You have it right.

WVA should make the point that this is coming from a company that prides itself on a catalog scantily clad children.

WVA should also dump that Klansman Robert Byrd- and the DNC should lead the effort for that reason. Of course the DNC won't because they're more interested in power vs. principle.
28 posted on 03/23/2004 9:50:36 AM PST by Made In The USA (Where is the outrage?!)
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To: DollyCali
I'm from Huntington West Virginia and our family tree looks like a telephone pole. In fact I met my wife at our last family reunion. My Uncle Dad still lives in West Virginia.
30 posted on 03/23/2004 9:55:43 AM PST by Delbert
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To: mhking
Wise said the T-shirt depicts "an unfounded, negative stereotype of West Virginia."

Quit electing klansmen, then we'll talk about your image.

31 posted on 03/23/2004 10:03:40 AM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: VadeRetro
What about "What do a tornado and a West Virginia divorce have in common?"

Someone always loses a trailer ;)

While I'm thinking of it:

West Virginia State Residency Application


Name: ________________
(last)
(first) (_) Billy-Bob
(_) Billy-Joe
(_) Billy-Ray
(_) Billy-Sue
(_) Billy-Mae
(_) Billy-Jack
(Check appropriate box)
Age: ____
Sex: ____ M _____ F _____ N/A
Shoe Size: ____ Left ____ Right

CB Handle: _____________________

Occupation:
(_)Farmer
(_)Mechanic
(_)Hair Dresser
(_)Un-employed
(_)Coal Miner

Spouse's Name: __________________________

Relationship with spouse:
(_) Sister
(_) Brother
(_) Aunt
(_) Uncle
(_) Cousin
(_) Mother
(_) Father
(_) Son
(_) Daughter
(_) Pet

Number of children living in household: ___

Number that are yours: ___

Mother's Name: _______________________

Father's Name: _______________________
(If not sure, leave blank)

Education: 1 2 3 4 (Circle highest grade completed)

Do you (_)own or (_)rent your mobile home?
(Check appropriate box)

___ Total number of vehicles you own
___ Number of vehicles that still crank
___ Number of vehicles in front yard
___ Number of vehicles in back yard
___ Number of vehicles on cement blocks

___ Number of refrigerators on front porch

Firearms you own and where you keep them:
____ truck
____ bedroom
____ bathroom
____ kitchen
____ shed

Model and year of your pickup: _____________ 194__
Number of empty beer cans on floorboard or in bed of
pickup: _________

Newspapers/magazines you subscribe to:
(_)The National Enquirer
(_)The Globe
(_)TV Guide
(_)Soap Opera Digest
(_)Gun World

___ Number of times you've seen a UFO
___ Number of times you've seen Elvis
___ Number of times you've seen Elvis in a UFO

How often do you bathe:
(_)Weekly
(_)Monthly
(_)Holidays
(_)Not Applicable

Color of teeth:
(_)Yellow
(_)Brownish-Yellow
(_)Brown
(_)Black
(_)No teeth
(_)N/A

Brand of chewing tobacco you prefer:
(_)Red-Man

How far is your home from a paved road?
(_)1 mile
(_)2 miles
(_)don't know
(_)can't get there from here

BUMPER STICKERS:
___ Eat more Possum
___ My other car is a piece of junk too
___ Honk if you love Jesus
___ If you ain't a cowboy, you ain't nothin'
___ Red-man Chewing Tobacco

Favorite Recreation: Check all that apply:
___ Square Dancin' 
___ Possum Huntin'
___ Skinny Dippin'
___ Craw Daddin'
___ Gospel Singin' 
___ 4-Wheelin'
___ Drankin' 
___ Spittin' Backy ___ Bill Chip Trowin' 
___ Honky Tonkin'
___ Noodlin' 

# of Dogs: ___ Type: ___ Blue Tick ___ Beagle
___ Black & Tan ___ Bird Dawg

Cap Emblem: ___ John Deere ___ McCulloch Chain Saws
___ Budweiser ___ Vo-Tech
___ Skoal ___ Coors
___ NAPA ___ Smile if you're Not Wearing Underwear

32 posted on 03/23/2004 10:10:58 AM PST by general_re (The doors to Heaven and Hell are adjacent and identical... - Nikos Kazantzakis)
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To: mhking
With people like Wise, Rahall, Byrd and now to surface rises cockroaches like Lloyd Jackson who's running for gov, WV is in a sad state affairs having this representation for the world to see and poke fun at.
33 posted on 03/23/2004 10:21:54 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: GreatEconomy
Well, here's what I think Jesus would have done if he saw the "Cheeses of Nazareth" T-shirt. You don't think he had a sense of humor?


35 posted on 03/23/2004 10:43:20 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: GreatEconomy
"Maybe he would have. I was just objecting to the premise on which you based your conclusions. It is no secret you are antagonistic to those who believe in God. No big deal. This is America and you have the right to do that.
"

Actually, I'm not at all antagonistic to those who believe in deities. I, personally, do not believe that any such exist, but what others believe is of no concern to me.

I'm a bit antagonistic toward those who feel that all who are non-Christian are somehow less patriotic or less faithful to the premises of the Constitution. That is simply not the case.

But, as for folks' beliefs, that's entirely up to them. As long as they don't insist that I believe as they do, I have no axe to grind with them at all.
37 posted on 03/23/2004 10:58:20 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: general_re
Ya know, this is no different than that golfer's cut about Tiger Woods - the "Fried Chicken & Watermelon".

Media raised a big fuss then. Where are they now? I guess its still PC to refer to the poor as "inbred hicks". LOL. Looks to me as if the only incest here is the PCBS Media.
38 posted on 03/23/2004 11:03:21 AM PST by Fenris6
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To: Fenris6
Pretty much, although you should avoid my other post if you tend to get the vapors over such things ;)

But you're right, in any case - what is this, if not an illustration that some groups are okay to bash, and some aren't? I can think of equally retarded stereotypes for any group of people you care to name, but society will only get upset about the discussion of some of them.

39 posted on 03/23/2004 11:19:34 AM PST by general_re (The doors to Heaven and Hell are adjacent and identical... - Nikos Kazantzakis)
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To: general_re
Love it.. thank you !!! first laugh today..
40 posted on 03/23/2004 11:29:13 AM PST by DollyCali ("Trying to keep the Freepers pulling in the same direction is like trying to herd cats." Richard Poe)
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To: MineralMan
Thank you for capitalizing the "J" in "Jesus".
41 posted on 03/23/2004 11:32:45 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Another vote here for Bush, only IF Congress ends up defeating his illegal immigration amnesty law)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
"Thank you for capitalizing the "J" in "Jesus"."




I always capitalize the first letter of a proper noun. People's names are proper nouns and are capitalized.
42 posted on 03/23/2004 11:36:41 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
Your certainly welcome.

And thank you again for also offering a statement in your #35 (via a simple declarative) that you do not dispute that Jesus in fact existed.

This is progress.

43 posted on 03/23/2004 11:47:21 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Another vote here for Bush, only IF Congress ends up defeating his illegal immigration amnesty law)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
"And thank you again for also offering a statement in your #35 (via a simple declarative) that you do not dispute that Jesus in fact existed."

Well, I don't think there's much doubt that a man named Jesus (actually Joshua or something like that) lived and was executed by the Romans around 2000 years ago.

There were lots of folks then who were in opposition to the Romans and to the hierarchy of Judaism at the time. That one of them served as a symbol for the beginnings of a new religious group is not surprising, either.

As to the deity of this man, I must reject that for my own understanding, since I do not believe that any deities or other supernatural entities exist.

Christianity is a fact. It exists. That is enough.
44 posted on 03/23/2004 11:54:07 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
And he must have indeed been a madman, don't you agree?

Calling himself the "Son of God" and such, on a number of occasions, and nearly kicking off food riots at places where large crowds gathered to see him.

Since he existed (agreed), he would a) either have been a madman because of the outrageous claims he himself made about himself, or b) he was in fact the Son of God Himself. Correct? Can't see anything logical outside of these two possibilities.

45 posted on 03/23/2004 12:24:14 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Another vote here for Bush, only IF Congress ends up defeating his illegal immigration amnesty law)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
"And he must have indeed been a madman, don't you agree?
Calling himself the "Son of God" and such, on a number of occasions, and nearly kicking off food riots at places where large crowds gathered to see him.

Since he existed (agreed), he would a) either have been a madman because of the outrageous claims he himself made about himself, or b) he was in fact the Son of God Himself. Correct? Can't see anything logical outside of these two possibilities."




Interesting question. To start, you say that Jesus said he was the "Son of God." That's problematical, actually, since the only record of that is in the scriptures of the Christian religion, none of which were written by anyone who was there, by the best estimates of historians.

Did he say that? I don't know, to tell you the truth.

My personal guess is that he was a bit of a rabble-rouser who drew too much attention to himself and got himself executed by the powers-that-be.

Much like other historical cult heroes, a posthumous following developed, with stories told and retold and altered as such stories often are.

Early Christianity is rife with writings, most of which were rejected as the Canon of the New Testament developed. How much redaction was done in the period from around 300-500 AD is unknown, to be quite frank.

There are lots of theories about Jesus. The ones that disagree with the official Canon are called heretical, even when supported in some way by non-canonical documents. Although heretics are no longer executed, they certainly were in the early days of the "official" Christian church, and all documents relating to those heresies were either destroyed or stuffed away in dark archives.

So, I don't know whether your Jesus claimed to be a deity. I do know that the official Canon of the New Testament claims that. It seems a good idea as a claim, if the goal was, as it was in the days of Constantine, to make Christianity the official religion of Rome and of the world, by extension of an empire.

So, to answer your specific question: Yes, if Jesus did actually claim (and believe) himself to be a deity, then he was insane. However, I doubt that story. I suspect that others who came later gave him that attribute.

Again, whatever you believe is what you believe. I cannot believe in deities or other supernatural entities. More power to you if you can.
46 posted on 03/23/2004 12:36:41 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
I am curious, have you ever read or pondered "Evidence That Demands a Verdict?"
47 posted on 03/23/2004 12:51:51 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Another vote here for Bush, only IF Congress ends up defeating his illegal immigration amnesty law)
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To: general_re; ChadsDad
Then there's this post which came to me on another thread but which works well for this one.
48 posted on 03/23/2004 12:59:03 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: AmericanInTokyo
"I am curious, have you ever read or pondered "Evidence That Demands a Verdict?"

I have. Like most books of its nature, it is a one-sided look at the questions, with a distinct Christian viewpoint. I've also read a lot of other books on these subjects.

One book does not answer the questions. To come to an understanding of how Christianity came to be, one must do a great deal of reading, and not just reading of books written with the idea of selling Christianity as the one true religion.

If you are happy with your beliefs, then we have no argument. I do not presume to tell you what you should or should not believe. All I can do is tell you that I do not.

Best wishes to you.
49 posted on 03/23/2004 1:15:43 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: mhking
Previously posted thread.
50 posted on 03/23/2004 5:44:18 PM PST by mountaineer
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