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Airline refuses to transport trap shooter's gun
TRIBUNE-REVIEW (Pittsburgh) ^ | March 22, 2004 | Craig Smith

Posted on 03/24/2004 11:12:26 AM PST by neverdem

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:03:24 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

James Mautino concedes that the idea of carrying a shotgun onto an airplane might sound a little crazy in the midst of a war on terrorism. But that's how trap shooters get from tournament to tournament. And it's allowed by many air carriers serving the United States and some foreign countries.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Pennsylvania; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airlinesecurity; bang; banglist; guntransportation
Please learn what airlines to avoid, and plan in advance, i.e. have a plan B.
1 posted on 03/24/2004 11:12:26 AM PST by neverdem
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To: fourdeuce82d; Travis McGee; Joe Brower
BANG
2 posted on 03/24/2004 11:13:43 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
Avoid them all.
3 posted on 03/24/2004 11:18:34 AM PST by Bob Mc
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To: neverdem
This is sad. On an airline, Trapshooters declare and check their shotguns in a locked hard case. The unloaded guns are dismantled or taken apart before being placed in the traveling case and placed in the baggage compartment. There's no harm to anyone.
4 posted on 03/24/2004 11:18:37 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: neverdem
"We made a conscious decision to not do that at this time," Sadler said, adding that the policy is under review.

Perhaps freepers should help him with his review :-)

5 posted on 03/24/2004 11:20:13 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: *bang_list
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6 posted on 03/24/2004 11:20:59 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Space Available for Rent or Lease by the Day, Week, or Month. Reasonable Rates. Inquire within.)
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To: lilylangtree
"This is sad. On an airline, Trapshooters declare and check their shotguns in a locked hard case. The unloaded guns are dismantled or taken apart before being placed in the traveling case and placed in the baggage compartment. There's no harm to anyone."

And most airlines allow this and transport firearms all the time. This particular airline apparently has a policy against it. Since they are a private concern, I suppose that is their right.
7 posted on 03/24/2004 11:22:16 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: neverdem
Airline refuses to transport trap shooter's gun

Well, everyone knows that the shotgun could very well hop outta it's case, crawl thru the baggage compartment, come up in coach & start shooting all on it's own.

Hey, look out...THE SHOTGUN'S GOTTA KNIFE!!!!

8 posted on 03/24/2004 11:24:33 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: MineralMan
It's anybody's right to believe in voodoo and evil spirits - we have freedom of religion in this country. The airline is just exercising it.
9 posted on 03/24/2004 11:24:44 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: lilylangtree
I went to their website and found an item entitled "Restricted Items" in the Passenger Information menu. Firearms are listed there.

This is a very small airline, and passengers should check these things.

While I think the policy is wrong-headed, it is their right to restrict firearms as luggage, if they wish. There are many other flights between Phillie and Florida.
10 posted on 03/24/2004 11:25:21 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
Since they are a private concern, I suppose that is their right.

They are, and it is.

Furthermore, it is our right to decline business with them, if their policy offends us. And it is our right to inform other, like-minded folks of their policy. And it is our right to inform the airline of our policy of declining business with them.

Perhaps, if they learn that their policy is driving away potential customers they may choose to change their policy.

This has happened in the past, regarding legally permitted concealed handguns. I will not voluntarily do business with any concern which forbids me to carry my concealed handgun on its premises.

Isn't freedom wonderful?

11 posted on 03/24/2004 11:32:46 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Chief Engineer, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemens' Club)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Yup, that's the way it works.
12 posted on 03/24/2004 11:34:57 AM PST by demlosers (Coulter: Liberals simply can't grasp the problem Lexis-Nexis poses to their incessant lying.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
I've checked a shotgun into baggage on Northwest Airlines more than a dozen times. They made me open the case for inspection, check the shotgun at a special NWA window, but other than that, I never had a single problem.
13 posted on 03/24/2004 11:39:13 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: neverdem
And the number of gun enthusiasts in Pennsylvania is growing.

This is some good news.

14 posted on 03/24/2004 11:47:57 AM PST by stevio (The early bird gets the worm, but the 2nd mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
"Furthermore, it is our right to decline business with them, if their policy offends us. And it is our right to inform other, like-minded folks of their policy. And it is our right to inform the airline of our policy of declining business with them. "

Absolutely!
15 posted on 03/24/2004 11:48:23 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
This is a very small airline, and passengers should check these things.

Certainly. Patronage by gunowners won't be a contribution to becoming a bigger airline. No point in squandering an opportunity for frequent flyer miles on an airline that won't transport firearms. There's plenty of airlines that will.

16 posted on 03/24/2004 12:00:48 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Puppage
LOL
17 posted on 03/24/2004 12:01:44 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
This is because that $12,000 Perazzi shotguns are a terrorist's weapon of choice, of course.
18 posted on 03/24/2004 12:02:43 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: neverdem
"Our position is, basically, as a private company they have the right to throw away business," said John Frazer, a federal lobbyist who follows the issue of gun transportation for the NRA.

Well put, LOL

19 posted on 03/24/2004 12:08:59 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: neverdem
It seems that the airline, as 'customer service' could have assisted him in getting the shotgun to Florida by other, timely, means had they cared to. Failing that, they could, had they wished, have assisted him in getting an alternative flight at a reasonable price.

It seems their only 'customer service' was to eventually give him a refund.

I can only conclude that not only won't they carry firearms, they are more antipathetic to firearms owners than they admit. Any guesses about what the results of their 'policy review' will be?
20 posted on 03/24/2004 12:59:14 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: ApplegateRanch
Any guesses about what the results of their 'policy review' will be?

Depends on whether they have hard-core gun control freaks on their BOD.

21 posted on 03/24/2004 1:01:13 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Chief Engineer, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemens' Club)
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To: neverdem
Hmm. There's several things to do as an alternative in such a situation...

First, check with your normal carrier; take the ticket to their counter, explain the problems on the other carrier, and ask if they'll honor the ticket, or offer an exchange price at a cheaper rate. Many airlines will offer a similar price if they have space available on their flights; it's good public relations, and they're not really losing any money, since the seat likely would have gone empty anyway.

Had that failed, he could have had another airline check the baggage for delivery to his Florida destination through their shipping counter. They'd want to inspect the baggage carefully, but odds are they would accept it for a fee - sure, he might have had to pay $200 just to ship the gun, but he would have made it down there to the competition.
22 posted on 03/24/2004 1:12:37 PM PST by kingu (Freepmail me if you want to be added or removed from the Survivor ping list.)
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To: kingu
sure, he might have had to pay $200 just to ship the gun, but he would have made it down there to the competition.

I hope that includes insurance for a piece that cost $12,000.

23 posted on 03/24/2004 1:33:39 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
I hope that includes insurance for a piece that cost $12,000.

It depends upon the airline, but most of the ones I've used have included insurance up to $50,000 per item up to the declared value. The real trick is to get them to admit that they still ship, it appears, from a quick poll of several carriers this morning. After making some calls, it appears the quickest and cheapest method is to let your fingers do the walking in the yellow pages under courier and shipping. It turned out to be nearly half of what the price was for going to the airline directly.
24 posted on 03/24/2004 1:41:24 PM PST by kingu (Freepmail me if you want to be added or removed from the Survivor ping list.)
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To: kingu
Thanks for the reason to bookmark, not that I fly much.
25 posted on 03/24/2004 2:01:20 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
The airline, based in Newtown Square, Delaware County

Now there's the problem right there.

27 posted on 03/24/2004 5:37:35 PM PST by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Puppage
Hey, look out...THE SHOTGUN'S GOTTA KNIFE!!!!

Don't you mean a boxcutter?

28 posted on 03/24/2004 5:39:28 PM PST by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: El Gato
I think you're on to something.
29 posted on 03/24/2004 7:46:56 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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