Clarke's complicity in crash cover-up

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | March 24, 2004 | Jack Cashill

[Wolverine]

Jack Cashill's stunning documentary video, "Silenced: Flight 800 and the Subversion of Justice"

[marron]

don't. If Richard Reid had been successful in his attempt to blow a plane out of the sky with explosives in his shoes, I have no doubt that there would have been a "mechanical problem" identified as a cause of the incident.

I just figured they didn't want to give Osama another victory so soon after 9/11. So they just announced it was mechanical failure. The giveaway was that they announced it while the whole town was still in flames, and they couldn't even get to the plane itself.

Similar to the TWA800, where they announced that it was mechanical failure before they pulled one piece off the ocean floor.

[Alberta's Child]

Do you mean that keeping something like this under wraps is better than the possible panic/economic damage?

Yes.

You can take this to the bank. If the 9/11 terrorists had only hijacked one aircraft and crashed it into the World Trade Center or the Pentagon, there would have been some other explanation for what happened.

[js1138]

Why in the world would this be a "forbidden topic"?

There was a time recently when conspiracy theory threads were being yanked. It may have had more to do with the poster than the topic.

[wtc911]

Naval exercises off shore are not uncommon. But I ask again, from your research, when did Live Fire exercises off the most densley populated, heavily traffic'd piece of coast begin?

My experience with the military is exclusively land based but I've got to believe that an exercise where even the remote possibility of the sequence of events necessary for the sort of "mistake' that you say happened, off the coast of NYC's immediate suburbs, directly in an international flight path where the traffic is so heavy that you can stand on the beach and see as many as a dozen commercial craft in the air, is beyond the scope of what the Navy plans.

Let's not even consider the number of people who would know about it...in the hundreds at least. I guess though that we can expect every 19 year old Seaman on those ships to shut up just because.

[Alberta's Child]

The streak is hard to explain though.

It's not just the streak, though. And this is what makes the accidental shoot-down very plausible.

Many eyewitness accounts of the "streak" were dismissed out of hand because they were not consistent in their description of what they saw -- particularly in terms of the trajectory. But it's not as if these people were describing any number of different flight paths . . . All of them basically came down to two different groups: some of them saw a streak go from Point 1 and travel in Direction A, while others saw a streak go from Point 2 and travel in Direction B.

What they saw was two different "streaks" -- an unmanned drone that is used by the Navy as a target in its weapons tests, and the missile itself that was fired at the drone from a different ship.

[longshadow]

I don't know what caused TWA 800, but I'm pretty sure the video produced under Clarke's direction is bogus.

Right you are.

The CG of the aircraft moved aft by a large distance after the nose fell off. With the wings still located in their normal position, and the CG drastically aft of the normal flight envelope limit, the pitching moment created by the torque of the center of lift being out in front of the CG would have caused the aircraft to pitch up violently, stalling the wings long before any 3000' "zoom-climb" could have ever taken place.

I have yet to speak to an active or retired airline pilot who believes the Gov't explanation for TWA 800. Everyone believes it was a missile.

The only doubt is whose missile was it (friend or foe)..... and whether or not there was more than one.

[U S Army EOD]

Flight 587 took off right after another large aircraft which would give you the wind shear. The co-pilot had a track record of over correcting with the tail on that aircraft. He is all probability tore the tail off of the aircraft which does infact have a weak tail or rudder.

[U S Army EOD]

Matter of fact on that particular aircraft they were almost of were falling off.

[Alberta's Child]

The incident did not occur "off the coast of NYC's immediate suburbs" -- the area where this occurred was at least a two-hour drive east of Manhattan. Flight 800 was flying at an elevation of about 13,000 feet when it went down.

One clue here is that Flight 800 was not supposed to be flying that low -- it was supposed to be flying at 16,000 feet or more. It was ordered to descend to make way for a northbound USAir flight into Providence, Rhode Island (flying in a path that was perpendicular to Flight 800's path) that was running behind schedule that night and should not have been in the area.

I know I'm just speculating here -- but the facts as I understand them indicate the very real possibility that Flight 800 was brought down simply because a U.S. Navy target drone got too close to it.

[js1138]

If it was friendly fire I can understand the cover-up. Not agree with it, but understand it. There was more at stake than clinton's reelection. Blasting the military over an accident is not in the national interest, usually.

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me that time slot wasn't assigned to an Israeli airliner. I read it here, but I don't know the source.

[ExSafecracker]

I spent a few years on board U.S.Navy ships and I can testify that almost NOTHING that happens on board that ship remains secret for very long. That goes triple for when ordinance has been fired and the result of that firing, whether the desired target was hit, missed or the wrong target was hit, every crewman on that ship will hear the "scuttlebutt" within hours.
If you can tell me how you get 500 to 700 men to keep this big of a secret for this long, then I will kiss your a## on the Wide World of Sports with Howard Cossell doing the narration!
Raggyheads shot down that plane.

[spyone]

Don't think I agree on keeping it under wraps. The ante just keeps getting upped with bigger and better terrorist events.
And if the Oklahoma bombing was a conspiracy, these 9/11 hearings are just a sham...no plan since 1995! That would absolutely freak me out.

[torchthemummy]

"What? Do you doubt that a plane going 500+ mph with its nose torn off would continue to climb a couple of thousand feet?
You're just too cynical. Nothing wrong at all with the aerodynamics of that scenario."

Heck, if a stinger missle hit TWA 800 it still would climb 2,000 feet.

The most reliant evidence is that 270 people said they saw a climbing light source that would not reflect the steady assent of an airliner. At the same time, military exercises were being conducted in the vicinity. I am reticent to jump on conspiracy theories but sometimes conspiracies are based on reasonable assessment of the facts, aka. commonsense. I can't, of course, prove it, but the explanations for this all smelled too pat at the time and still do.

[U S Army EOD]

When a missle is fired from a ship, it is tracked by radar. Flight 800 would also be tracked by radar. The Navy would know if they shot it down or not. The firing ship would know and so would the other ships near by monitoring the exercise. There is no way that could be covered up. They would have also had a visual on the explosion of the shoot down if that happened.

If there was a missle it would have to have been rather large for a surface launch. However it is not difficult at all to rig a SA7 where you can fire it from another aircraft. All you have to do is mount it under a wing and then extend the wires that gives you a lock on tone to the cockpit along with the firing wire. This is VERY simple to do.

[jpl]

If the 9/11 terrorists had only hijacked one aircraft and crashed it into the World Trade Center or the Pentagon, there would have been some other explanation for what happened.

I think you're probably right. As it is now, the lies about the War on Terrorism that are being deliberately put out by the bureaucracy and their media allies on a daily basis could pretty much fill an entire book.

[StriperSniper]

This just keeps getting better...

[U S Army EOD]

If I had to fly all the time on airliners, I would rather believe that one aircraft out of thousands was brought down by a missle than to think that any aircraft at any time could blow up due to faulty wiring in a half empty fuel tank.

I just don't think there was any cover up on this one, however on the subject of Ron Brown, hmmmmmmm.

[Terry Mross]

I think Clark mentioned TWA Flight 800 today and nobody on the committee seemed to notice.

[spyone]

He did....and so did Berger. Said straight out he thought it was terrorism at first.