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Europe, R.I.P.
Intellectual Conservative ^ | 26 March 2004 | Nicholas Stix

Posted on 03/26/2004 10:48:31 AM PST by mrustow

The vicious circle of weakness dominating European thought is countered by the virtuous circle of strength that George W. Bush has expressed.

I am not a European.

Lee Harris argued, "The world changed on Sunday," March 14, with the Spanish elections, but the real problem is that Europe failed to change.

If Europe cannot rouse itself to fight back, after it has been attacked on its own soil, we may conclude that the cowardice we saw after 9-11 was not merely the expression of anti-Americanism and opportunism, but of a deeper paralysis, which is now in its terminal stage. And so, I weep for Europe.

Europe's paralysis is best expressed in the combination of two seemingly contradictory statements, one by David Brooks and the other by Edward Luttwak.

"Now all European politicians will know that if they side with America on controversial security threats, and terrorists strike their nation, they might be blamed by their own voters." (Brooks)

"Any [European] politician who invokes Madrid to demand a withdrawal from Iraq will be inviting terrorist attacks to prove his point." (Luttwak)


Both statements may co-exist in the same universe of discourse, the universe of weakness, the universe of defeat. The vicious circle of weakness dominating European thought is countered by the virtuous circle of strength that George W. Bush has expressed: America takes the battle to al Qaeda & Co. We kill some of their members, and capture others, from whom we get the intelligence necessary to kill and capture other terrorists, and so on. That may seem simplistic, but in fact, a nation will either gain the advantage or steadily decline, in the war on terror; a stalemate is not an option.

(The "circles" are metaphors, rather than discrete, logical units. For we are talking about people and nations, not logic or geometry. In the real world, a strong man or even a strong people can be brought low through the collective cowardice or thuggery of others. And so it is, that al Qaeda seeks to beat America through chasing off her allies. And so, we can expect attacks on the United Kingdom, and on or just before our own November 2 presidential election.)

Western European nations increasingly embrace appeasement, while permitting themselves to be overwhelmed by hordes of their Muslim enemies, enemies who hold everything European in contempt, and who increasingly include violent gangs, whose idea of fun is to brutalize Jews and gang-rape Christian girls.

From 1945-1990, Western Europe lived under the shadow of the Soviet "Empire of Evil" (Ronald Reagan), and yet it was safe from being overrun, because we protected it. And so, while America spent billions on Europe's defense, Europe could spend billions on decadent welfare programs which further sapped its moral strength. The result was the same as it always is, with those who get used to getting a free ride. Rather than gratitude, Europeans felt resentful and superior towards us.

A classic case of a spoiled character feeling resentful and superior towards his betters is the Tom Cruise character (Lt. Daniel Kaffee) in the 1989 play and 1992 movie, A Few Good Men. Defense attorney Kaffee cross examines his nemesis, Lt. Col. Nathan Jessep (Jack Nicholson).

Jessep: You want answers?!

Kaffee: I want the truth!

Jessep: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? [To Kaffee's co-counsel.] You, Lieutenant Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know -- that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives; and my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall -- you need me on that wall.

The exchange could just as well have been between Europe and America over the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

(Unfortunately, politically correct writer Aaron Sorkin and director Rob Reiner presented Nicholson as the heavy, and Cruise as the hero, but it is a tribute to Sorkin's writing skills, that his speech has become a credo for many members of the LAPD and the American military.)

The problem with most of Western Europe, is that it wants to be safe, but still won't guard itself, yet no longer wants America on "that wall." That means that Western Europe will be defeated by Islamism.

New York-based freelancer Nicholas Stix has written for Toogood Reports, Middle American News, the New York Post, Daily News, American Enterprise, Insight, Chronicles, Newsday and many other publications. His recent work is collected at The Critical Critic.

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1 posted on 03/26/2004 10:48:32 AM PST by mrustow
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To: All
BTTT
2 posted on 03/26/2004 10:50:36 AM PST by mrustow
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To: mrustow
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded sense of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing _worth_ a war, is worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice, --is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated _their_ ever-renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing, when need is, to do battle for the one against the other."
--John Stuart Mill (1806-1873), "The Contest In America," Fraser's Magazine, February 1862 [reprinted in Mill's_Dissertations and Discussions, vol.1 p.26 (1868)] <>

"Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than live as slaves."
--Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill (1874-1965),_The Gathering Storm,_bk.I ch.19 p.348 (Houghton Mifflin, 1948)

"Sons of Scotland! I am William Wallace - and I see a whole army of my countrymen here in defiance of tyranny. You've come to fight as free men, and free men you are. What will you do with that freedom? Will you fight? Aye, fight and you may die. Run and you'll live. At least awhile. And, dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take our freedom!" --Mel Gibson as William Wallace, speaking to the Scots - outnumbered three to one - on the battlefield at Stirling Bridge, A.D. 1297. (Braveheart, 1995)

3 posted on 03/26/2004 10:56:16 AM PST by 2banana
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To: mrustow
Wow. Wake up, Europe, please.
4 posted on 03/26/2004 10:57:00 AM PST by Bahbah
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To: 2banana
Thanks for the great quotes!
5 posted on 03/26/2004 10:59:57 AM PST by mrustow
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To: Bahbah
Possible future book:

Why Europe Slept

6 posted on 03/26/2004 11:00:50 AM PST by mrustow
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To: mrustow
It is amazing to think of the heros that Europe once produced and what Europe has turned into in today...
7 posted on 03/26/2004 11:09:03 AM PST by 2banana
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To: mrustow
If the U.S. does not defeat radical Islam, and Europe continously tries to sit out the WOT, I predict an overland conventional invasion of Europe by Muslims in about 2050. Given substantial local sympathizers, Mainland Europe would by 100% Vichy-Islamist.

And I won't argue for their rescue.

8 posted on 03/26/2004 11:13:02 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (MEMRI, Lights the corners of their minds!)
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To: mrustow
I believe that both European nations and America lack their traditional moral fibre to defend their ongoing heritages. The debate over Iraq only masks the real issue. (And I am not evading the debate over Iraq. I feel that we won a quick impressive victory, for which our Defense Department deserves high praise. I also believe that our drawn out presence in Iraq is the wrong tactic--the totally wrong tactic--in the War on Terror.)

But the real issue in the West is that we have allowed a combination of Leftist theorists and spoiled airheads to denigrate the historic progression of generations in our various ethnic heritages. In Europe, the justification for the EU is complex, but in elevating an abstraction over a thousand years of history, it has destroyed the concept by which the manhood of each generation, measures their mettle against that of preceding generations. But much the same process has taken place in America, with the embrasure of diversity as a positive moral good.

One of the clearest examples of the breakdown in moral fibre, connected with a downplaying of ancestral identifications, came in what happened in the throes of the great drive to integrate school populations, both North & South in the late 1950s through the 1960s. The illegitimacy rates in both races exploded. Since this time period also corresponded with enormous advances in the availability of contraceptives, it is difficult to ignore the obvious relationship between breaking down the sense of community identification in each race, and the breakdown in family structure.

Just some random thoughts.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

9 posted on 03/26/2004 11:13:17 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: 2banana
Dont't mourn Europe yet. I have lived in Europe on and off for over 20 years. I can tell you that there is a unreported and underground sense of anger and betrayel throughout the EU. Today, the symptoms of this anger is aimed at the US and George Bush - BECAUSE our European counterparts have been sold out by their EU addled governments. There nations are weak and are being overrun by barbarians. They see the US and their anger is real -- "Why should American be able to remain strong? My country has 2000 years of proud history and the ignorant USA is the only one who is standing up to Islam. Why I am forced to bend over by my nanny state."

OK, here is why I don't think Europe is finished. Let's be honest for 10 seconds here. Europe is a very racist area. Hatred of jews and non-whites is VERY prevalent. My prediction is that the day will come when the socialist weaklings will be swept from offices throughout the EU. Fueled by the kind of messianic anger that only Europeans can foment, the EU will now be run by center-right nationalists. The once benign fascism of the center left EU will be replaced by a virulent center-right EU. Europe when angered always becomes passive at first (weimar Germany) and then fascistic (Hitler's Germany) This pattern appears in European politics again and again. Without the iron cutain and the cold war to keep the EU zone peaceful I believe the old patterns will re-emerge.

And let me be clear, when the backlash happens over the next 5 years - whatever inequities the moslem horde feel the US has inflicted upon them will seem like a walk in the park.

When the common European is finally roused to action, no muslim will be safe. Mass deporations, riots, murders, etc. will be rife through the European Union.

Guys, I have a lot of friends in Europe and most of them are really pissed that their nations are being neutered and invaded by the islamofacists. The world media likes to exploit the hate america and hate Bush angle. But what they won't tell you is that that anger is really more about their situation than our president or foreign policy. WHen Europe's fantasy of appeasment ends in a hail of bombs over the next few years their appeasment will turn to the madness that has unfortunately defined Europe for over 2000 years.

And yes, when the smoke clears, Washington DC will have to "pick up the eurozone peices" as Margaret Thatcher said in her last book STATECRAFT. Once again, we will foot the bill for protecting Europe and bailing out their failing currencies and economies. Ho Hum.
10 posted on 03/26/2004 11:16:46 AM PST by glennherman
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To: Ohioan
I also believe that our drawn out presence in Iraq is the wrong tactic--the totally wrong tactic--in the War on Terror.)

slightly overstated considering we still have troops in Germany and Japan, it is important that we complete the job

On your larger point I hear you can see the minarets popping up all over major European cities, some day soon Europe will be the front line in this war.

11 posted on 03/26/2004 11:19:38 AM PST by Mister Baredog ((Kerry is a dork))
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To: glennherman
I think I remember the same things being said about Zimbabwe...We will see what happens but I hope the "eurozone pieces" we pick up have some decent breweries...
12 posted on 03/26/2004 11:24:47 AM PST by 2banana
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To: mrustow
RIP and don't call us when you need rescue!
13 posted on 03/26/2004 11:26:30 AM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: Axiom Nine
ping
14 posted on 03/26/2004 11:29:37 AM PST by pax_et_bonum (Always finish what you st)
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To: glennherman
"Once again, we will foot the bill for protecting Europe and bailing out their failing currencies and economies"

But, not France......right?

15 posted on 03/26/2004 11:34:29 AM PST by laotzu
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To: glennherman
I see the EU as an eventual catalyst for international conflict. There are however several thing that may happen to eleviate this problem.
Just a couple of facts. The German economy can't recover in it's present situation. Before taxes the German worker pay 46% into various benefit programs. (15.6% for health insurance 19.6% for social Insurance, matched by their employer. Taxes are much higher than here. In addition a VAT of 16% of anything you purchase. Utility taxes are so high that it is approx. 3 times the price of what we pay.
What is interesting is that those systems are broke. Add to that the decline of population and the aging of Germany. In 15 years 65% of the population will be over 60 years of age.All, because during the Era of " La dolce Vita" they have become too lazy to breed. The worst thing that has ever happened to Germany was "the Wirtschaftswunder". Germans have never had prosperity and did not have a clue how to treat it. It's a shame it didn't come with instructions.
I have read the new EU constitution, most people haven't. There will be a total loss of soveirnity and Brussels, through their appointed, not elected Ministers will rule from the top down. The aristocracy has been placed back in power. Regulations will make the EU unable to compete globally.There has not been a single IPO in Germany in 2 years.
The moves by Germany and France does strongly suggest their rule of Europe. It is interesting to see that they will rule Europe without a shot being fired? :)
"Old Europe" needs new Europe. Sure, initially there will be payments to the new states to modernise their infrastructure. Wait a few years and payback will have to be made in form of new and "better" Taxes. The future belongs to the new States, since we already see that Investment is not flowing into the old, but the new countries for a myriad of reasons.
There may be a peoples revolution down the road, preempting a threat from the EU. Eventually, people in the EU will want freedom from taxation without representation. It is a quagmire, the EU constitution is just the final nail in the coffin before they lower it into the dustbin of history.
Of course this is only my opinion, I could be wrong.
16 posted on 03/26/2004 11:34:46 AM PST by americanbychoice2
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To: Mister Baredog
slightly overstated considering we still have troops in Germany and Japan, it is important that we complete the job

Germany and Japan are both first world nations, with comparable levels of achievement. Our troops remain, no longer as conquerors, but as welcome guests. In Iraq, our troops remain after we "completed the job" of getting rid of our enemy, in order to try to change the local culture. The very idea of that can only help our real enemies, the followers of bin Laden, to recruit on the premise that we are the aggressors against Islam, not the other way around.

We are fighting will of the whisps, and occupying a small part of their potential recruiting basin, makes no sense. If you look a bit closer, you will see that the justification for a longer term American presence is the same pathetic policy with which Dean Rusk (under the Kennedy and Johnson Administrations) messed up Third World peoples all over the map. (See Democracy In The Third World.)

William Flax

17 posted on 03/26/2004 11:38:26 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: mrustow
Europe is Rohan. You can pick who is Grima Wormtongue. Kerry, Kinton, or Chiraq.

Théoden: So much death. What can men do against such reckless hate?
Aragorn: Ride out with me. Ride out and meet them.
Théoden: For death and glory.
Aragorn: For Rohan. For your people.
18 posted on 03/26/2004 11:38:40 AM PST by TomHarkinIsNotFromIowa (Foe Hammer!)
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To: Brad Cloven
I predict an overland conventional invasion of Europe by Muslims in about 2050.

That would be redundant. Given current immigration rates, and birth rates.
19 posted on 03/26/2004 11:44:11 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: glennherman
I work for a Spainish company, and while what you say may be true in some areas, for the most part they all want the Islamofacists to just let them drink and party away, till they are to old and to few to matter.
20 posted on 03/26/2004 11:45:40 AM PST by redgolum
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To: Matthew Paul
The problem with most of Western Europe, is that it wants to be safe, but still won't guard itself, yet no longer wants America on "that wall." That means that Western Europe will be defeated by Islamism.

Another interesting read, wetter tell your neighbors!

21 posted on 03/26/2004 11:50:54 AM PST by PeoplesRep_of_LA (I am no longer afraid to publicly say I love Jesus, thanks Mel)
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To: mrustow
He nails it on the head with this statement.

"From 1945-1990, Western Europe lived under the shadow of the Soviet "Empire of Evil" (Ronald Reagan), and yet it was safe from being overrun, because we protected it. And so, while America spent billions on Europe's defense, Europe could spend billions on decadent welfare programs which further sapped its moral strength. The result was the same as it always is, with those who get used to getting a free ride. Rather than gratitude, Europeans felt resentful and superior towards us."

22 posted on 03/26/2004 11:52:05 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: Matthew Paul
oops, wetter=better.
23 posted on 03/26/2004 11:52:31 AM PST by PeoplesRep_of_LA (I am no longer afraid to publicly say I love Jesus, thanks Mel)
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To: mrustow


24 posted on 03/26/2004 12:03:42 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY ((((Europe, R.I.P. - Rot in Pieces))))
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To: mrustow
"The world changed on Sunday," March 14, "

Nah. The world changed some time ago when the Western Civilization birth rate dropped below replacement. Europe is just the canary. Demographics rule.

25 posted on 03/26/2004 12:04:36 PM PST by ex-snook (Be Patriotic - STOP outsourcing in the War on American Jobs.)
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To: 2banana
It is amazing to think of the heros that Europe once produced and what Europe has turned into in today...

The past forty yers, in America and Erupe, are a cautionary tale, as to how centuries of work building institutions, can be swept away in practically the blink of an eye.

26 posted on 03/26/2004 12:05:03 PM PST by mrustow
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To: Brad Cloven
If the U.S. does not defeat radical Islam, and Europe continously tries to sit out the WOT, I predict an overland conventional invasion of Europe by Muslims in about 2050.

There is more than one way to invade a country. It's already well under way.

27 posted on 03/26/2004 12:09:54 PM PST by Hugin
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To: Ohioan
Your thoughts are intriguing, but I see the illegitimacy explosion as having been caused by the welfare revolution. Communists from the National Welfare Rights Organization in local governments such as New York (John Lindsay's welfare commissioner was the NWRO's Mitchell "Come and Get It" Ginsberg) told unwed, black working mothers that they no longer needed to work, and should instead apply for then high welfare rates. Prior to that, simply being a single mother did not automatically entitle one to welfare.
28 posted on 03/26/2004 12:10:03 PM PST by mrustow
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To: Ohioan
The very idea of that can only help our real enemies, the followers of bin Laden, to recruit on the premise that we are the aggressors against Islam, not the other way around.

Oh, we should run away and leave chaos behind, that will solve the problem, I don't think so. You know we aren't fighting a war on Islam. If Al Jazeera and their favorite muslim Bin Laden continue to poison the well it really doesn't matter. What does matter is if the Iraqis develope a modern society they will be the "poster children" that FREEDOM can bring. If Iraq is left to slip into anarchy it will become the new haven for the terrorists. Beyond that it will be a major defeat for the coalition. I'm sure Osama would love that one.

29 posted on 03/26/2004 12:26:59 PM PST by Mister Baredog ((Kerry is a dork))
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To: glennherman
Hatred of jews and non-whites is VERY prevalent

Curiously, in non-white majority countries, hatred of whites is VERY prevalent.

30 posted on 03/26/2004 12:37:01 PM PST by judgeandjury
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To: 2banana
bump
31 posted on 03/26/2004 12:51:01 PM PST by servantoftheservant
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To: glennherman
Fascinating analysis; only time will tell, if you are correct.
32 posted on 03/26/2004 12:56:17 PM PST by mrustow
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To: Sprite518
Nothing rends a people's moral fabric faster.
33 posted on 03/26/2004 12:58:12 PM PST by mrustow
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I love the Trojan horse, but I don't understand the map.
34 posted on 03/26/2004 12:58:57 PM PST by mrustow
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To: 2banana
Very appropriate quotes. Thank you for posting.
35 posted on 03/26/2004 1:01:44 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: mrustow
The Welfare effect was certainly a major contributor to the rise in the illegitimacy rate, after 1938, when the ADC program was innaugurated, and the Government tried to take all stigma out of the situation. (See How The Welfare State Works!.) But if you track the upward spiral, you will see that it did not really kick into high gear until the period when the other factor kicked in as well.

I personally did a statistical study on this in the mid-1960s, when the explosion was really getting started, and the correlation is very striking.

William Flax

38 posted on 03/26/2004 2:15:13 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: Mister Baredog
Oh, we should run away and leave chaos behind, that will solve the problem, I don't think so. You know we aren't fighting a war on Islam. If Al Jazeera and their favorite muslim Bin Laden continue to poison the well it really doesn't matter. What does matter is if the Iraqis develope a modern society they will be the "poster children" that FREEDOM can bring. If Iraq is left to slip into anarchy it will become the new haven for the terrorists. Beyond that it will be a major defeat for the coalition. I'm sure Osama would love that one.

1. We have no Constitutional function to try to remake other societies.

2. The Government does not determine the character of a people, nor their culture.

3. Freedom dependent upon a foreign occupation is a mockery. Imagine what would have been the reaction, if after the French Navy played a key role at Yorktown, they had sent in a French Army to protect the fledgling States.

4. While we can create an illusion of prosperity by spending American tax dollars and credit in Iraq, that is hardly the way for a people to really progress. But there is a fatal flaw in the notion that Iraq is suddenly going to be a model. With a sea of oil, she can certainly prosper, as do the Saudis and Kuwaitis; and she does not need our physical presence to do that.

5. But with all her oil, and all of our extravagance, no amount of manipulation is going to turn her into the equivalent of a European nation. Those who remember from history, the glorious ancient and medieval societies in Mesopotamia, need to remember what Tamerlane and other Mongols did to the leadership groups in the area, 600 years ago. The genetic damage has not been undone.

Why do you think that Saddaam had to hire so many foreign technicians for his weapons programs? Why with all his wealth, was he unable to achieve the sort of technological break-throughs that a desperately poor North Korea--with a vastly higher average I.Q. achieved. I am not trying to be unkind, just facing the realities of the situation.

The danger of a continued American presence will always be in that we, as the outsiders, will achieve the blame for everything that goes wrong; as well as the hatred of those who will see our meddling as an attack on their way of life and value system. I suspect that Bin Laden actually loves the fact that we seem to be staying.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

39 posted on 03/26/2004 2:34:08 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: Matthew Paul
Funny cartoon!
40 posted on 03/26/2004 2:39:21 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Brad Cloven
I predict an overland conventional invasion of Europe by Muslims in about 2050.

It won't require a conventional invasion and it will not take that long. The Islamists will simply immigrate in sufficient numbers to overwhelm the native population. It could happen in ten years or less.

41 posted on 03/26/2004 3:43:55 PM PST by Chuckster ("Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it." George Bernard Shaw)
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To: Matthew Paul
Nice.
42 posted on 03/26/2004 4:56:17 PM PST by mrustow
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To: Brad Cloven
I agree with those posters who said a conventional invasion won't be necessary. The method will be a cross between the Mexican Reconquista already underway here and al Qaeda fifth column terrorism.
43 posted on 03/26/2004 5:28:27 PM PST by mrustow
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To: Ohioan
Considering that the number of people going on welfare so dwarfed the number involved in interracial mixing, I'm sticking to my guns. (In NYC alone, from 1966-1973, the number of welfare clients went up from 538,000 to 1.16 million, at a time when there was very little interracial dating or marriage.)

While I personally have nothing against racial mixing -- and have mixed with non-white ladies for much of my adult life -- I am also aware that the white and black middle and working classes, the groups that are the moral backbone of each group, have traditionally been those most strongly opposed to racial mixing. Much of the mixing traditionally occurred among the trash of the very rich and the very poor. How things comport today, I couldn't say.

44 posted on 03/26/2004 5:47:10 PM PST by mrustow
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To: 2banana
It is amazing to think of the heros that Europe once produced and what Europe has turned into in today...

The welfare state aborts nascent heroes, in more ways than one.

45 posted on 03/26/2004 5:55:10 PM PST by mrustow
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To: glennherman
I just don't see Europe fighting back until it's too late. I guess when I think about it, I have noticed some anger directed towards the Muslims. But, it doesn't seem like it's an overriding concern, more of a back burner topic. What is always on the front burner is European insecurity which manifests itself as European superiority. To me, they have too much vested in their "system" to acknowledge its part of the problem.

There are an awful lot of 68's in Europe and they are not going to sit by if a small right wing majority gets control of the government. You are talking about all the things they believed in for 40 years, and to a certain extent, saw them succeed (not that they could be maintained). No way are you going to adjust Europe's resources to fight terror very easily. Ever try to take a socialist's confiscated money?

It's going to be: 1. Blame the US. 2. Blame the US. 3. Have a conference which will come to the conclusion that it's America's fault. 4. Make some very minor but tough adjustments with the understanding that they wouldn't have to go through all of this if it wasn't for those damn cowboys. 5. Blame the US for the failure of their reforms. Ect…ect…..

46 posted on 03/26/2004 8:37:37 PM PST by Rahmulus
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To: mrustow
You must realize that we are arguing over different aspects of the same thing: The switch from the concept of individual responsibility for solving problems and personal accountability for ones actions, to dependence upon Government and ready made excuses for whatever one wanted to do. It is not the race mixing, per se, that I am talking about. It is the downgrading of pride in family, in lines of descent, that went with the movement, as they also went, indirectly, with the rationale for ADC and other Welfare programs.

Prior to the period of which I write--and the explosion in the welfare roles would reflect the same phenomenon, the abandonment of the restraints on irresponsible and anti-social conduct in passed on family values--girls, regardless of their particular heritage, were restrained by that heritage to measure up to certain standards. They sought to emulate certain role models, etc..

I cannot for example even recall all of the times when Negro parents have cried in my office, over their loss of control over their children, since the period in question. With the trivialization of race, heredity and lines of descent, there was an obvious trivialization of the family, and family standards, as well. And it is a genuine tragedy, when a family who has pulled themselves up by their bootstraps, with a sense of personal responsibility as well as self-respect, is undermined in passing their values on to their own children by a society that wants to substitute dependence upon Government, and membership in an undifferentiated humanity, for all of the cultural structures which once provided incentives to do the right things.

William Flax

47 posted on 03/27/2004 10:55:35 AM PST by Ohioan
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