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NV: Bypass could end traffic over dam (Hoover ) for good- project set for '07 completion
The Las Vegas Sun ^ | March 26, 2004 | Launce Rake

Posted on 03/27/2004 7:56:58 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Bypass could end traffic over dam for good

$234 million project set for '07 completion

By Launce Rake
<lrake@lasvegassun.com>

LAS VEGAS SUN

The managers of Hoover Dam are considering closing the top of the dam to all motor vehicles once the alternate route over the Colorado River is completed.

The 3.5-mile, $234 million Hoover Dam bypass, which includes a river-spanning bridge, is scheduled for completion in mid-2007.

In the planning, design and environmental-review documents, the plan has always been to open the new bridge to all traffic, especially the heavy commercial trucking that once took a toll on the dam road.

Bob Walsh, a spokesman for the federal Bureau of Reclamation, said that plan still has traffic crossing Hoover Dam, but that could change.

"There have been some internal discussions about whether that needs to be changed or not," he said. "Security needs have changed. There might be some potential cost savings because of reduced maintenance."

It would be easier to protect the dam if vehicles were banned from crossing it, he said.

Vehicles also take a physical toll on the 75-year-old structure, officials said.

The Bureau of Reclamation, which has jurisdiction over the dam itself, now restricts commercial trucking over the dam in a security move instituted following the September 2001 terrorist attacks.

Walsh emphasized that the new plan would not close the dam to visitors, and that any change in the policy for traffic over the dam is in the very early stages.

"There hasn't been any decision made about it, and there wouldn't be a decision made until after substantial discussions with state transportation folks and others who might have an interest," Walsh said.

The response from federal and state agencies to a policy change was a collective shrug.

"I haven't heard any groundswell of anxiety over here," said John Semmens, project manager at the Arizona Transportation Research Center, an arm of the Arizona Department of Transportation.

The Federal Highway Administration, which is overseeing construction of the bypass with a mix of federal and state funds, said once the bridge is built, traffic over the dam is strictly up to the Bureau of Reclamation.

"We don't have jurisdiction there," said Dave Zanetell, the highway administration's project manager for the bypass. "The Hoover Dam bypass facility, its intent is to accommodate the movement of people and goods through the corridor. We have no interest or concern with the dam itself."

Nevada and Arizona transportation officials echoed those comments.

"The plan all along was to make the current roadway into more of a location strictly for tourists," said Matt Burdick, Arizona Department of Transportation spokesman.

He said his agency would likely support eliminating traffic over the dam if that's what the Bureau of Reclamation decided to do.

"As long as the bridge is in place, we're set," Burdick said.

Burdick's counterpart on this side of the river agreed.

"It's up to them (the Bureau of Reclamation), not to us," said Scott Magruder, Nevada Department of Transportation. "Our goal right now is to finish the bridge."

Roxanne Dey, a spokeswoman with the National Park Service's Lake Mead National Recreation Area, said her agency does not have an official stance on any general prohibition on traffic over the dam.

She said, however, the park service might not want to see the road over the dam eliminated. Dey said that might be important, especially for park rangers, if an accident or some other event blocked travel across the bridge.

"We would certainly consider, or ask the bureau to consider, the flexibility to leave the dam open to some vehicular traffic," Dey said. "We would certainly want the option to reroute folks, including our employees."

Dey added that from a personal perspective, she has seen pedestrians and vehicles commingling, sometimes uncomfortably, on top of the dam.

Others share similar concerns. Richard Ramcilio, marketing director of the Grand Canyon Tour Co. in Las Vegas, said he frequently sees tourists walking into the road.

"It's the only major highway that I know of where a pedestrian can stop interstate transportation," he said.

Ramcilio is not opposed to taking vehicles off the dam, and he said he is aware that the Bureau of Reclamation is at least beginning to talk about the idea. He said closing the road wouldn't affect his 13-year-old business, but any logistical change to the way tours are operated could have an impact.

"There's been different scenarios on whether they'll allow coaches to go to the dam for tours," he said. "There will be tours. They may not be like they currently are."

Walsh said it is too early to speculate on how the dam will look and operate after the bridge is up. He noted that his agency, in the hours after the Sept. 11 attacks, closed the bridge to all traffic, and could do so again.

"If we go to a red alert, we would close it in a heartbeat, but that's a special circumstance," Walsh said. "We have the right to close it (permanently), but we would never do that without discussion with both departments of transportation and the state agencies that have an interest.

"If we were going to close it, we would do some sort of public process. It's probably a little bit early to make a call on that."




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1 posted on 03/27/2004 7:56:59 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Probably a good idea actually.

There seem to be some people in the world who haven't a clue as to how to build a Hoover Dam . . . but are hell bent on being destructive nonetheless.

2 posted on 03/27/2004 7:59:08 PM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is slavery.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The 3.5-mile, $234 million Hoover Dam bypass, which includes a river-spanning bridge,

Well that's good.....it'd be hell to drive around it.

3 posted on 03/27/2004 8:01:14 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: All
Earlier threads:

Hoover Dam Project Gets International Attention - Dam Bypass bridge gets bidders from US, europe

Bypass at Hoover Dam a priority for Arizona governor

Feds Releasing More Money For Hoover Dam Bypass (update- 6 Million more w/concept photos)

Rendering of Selected Bridge Type


4 posted on 03/27/2004 8:02:22 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: eddie willers; BenLurkin
See above post for prior threads and some graphicsof the bridge proposed.
5 posted on 03/27/2004 8:04:17 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: All
The new bridge that will be built over the dam will be the largest concrete arch in the western hemisphere and the fourth largest in the world.
6 posted on 03/27/2004 8:05:49 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Wow!
7 posted on 03/27/2004 8:10:54 PM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is slavery.)
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To: BenLurkin
I would like to watch the building of this bridge.
8 posted on 03/27/2004 8:43:49 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I've been stuck waiting to cross Hoover dam a few times. Glenn Canyon dam which already has a seperate bridge never has a traffic problem. Both dams are excellent places to visit.
9 posted on 03/27/2004 8:48:51 PM PST by Nateman (Socialism first, cancer second.)
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To: eddie willers
LOL. I wonder how many other types of "bridges" there are. Perhaps a "partial span" bridge that goes halfway across and then stops?
10 posted on 03/27/2004 8:51:21 PM PST by AM2000
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To: Nateman
I've visited Hoover Dam and thought it was interesting for about ten minutes.
11 posted on 03/27/2004 8:52:19 PM PST by AM2000
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To: Nateman
Saw a show about Hoover dam on cable - very impressive.

Told Mrs. BenLurkin we should make the trip next time all our quaters are exhausted in sin city.

This may help convince her . . . maybe.

12 posted on 03/27/2004 8:52:27 PM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is slavery.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
stiil, I am glad I got to drive over this thing several times, it was quite an experience. like driving across florida on the old alligator alley, before they widened it to two lanes with a divider, it was wild stuff.
13 posted on 03/27/2004 8:52:57 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
THIS IS GREATER SECURITY?

Somewhat.

But . . . along comes the semi trailer/container . . .

A special panel opens and the rocket fires straight for the damn scant 100's of feet away.

Seems like something should be done to insure such did not happen.
14 posted on 03/27/2004 8:58:55 PM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
You would think another bridge would have been built years ago.
15 posted on 03/27/2004 8:59:17 PM PST by whereasandsoforth (tagged for migratory purposes only)
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To: whereasandsoforth
Do you know what the fish said when it hit concrete?










Dam
16 posted on 03/27/2004 9:10:28 PM PST by al baby (Hope I don't get into trouble for this)
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To: eddie willers
>> The 3.5-mile, $234 million Hoover Dam bypass,
>> which includes a river-spanning bridge, ...

> Well that's good.....it'd be hell to drive around it.

No bridge = No bypass.

The dam road was periodically problematic even before 9-11,
due to traffic density, tourist cars backed up at the
parking garage, and foot traffic on the dam.

Travel via the dam became completely unpredictable after
9-11. I consider the dam road closed already, and use
US95/NV163/AZ68 thru Laughlin for a Route between Las
Vegas and I40 E (which is the majority of the affected
traffic).

Once the new bypass bridge is opne, expect the dam road
to be closed to all except pedestrians and official vehicles.
17 posted on 03/27/2004 9:11:10 PM PST by Boundless
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To: Quix
> THIS IS GREATER SECURITY?

Yes. The dam is still a target, but not as easy. The risk
is reduced to that of most non-road dams. Getting truck
bombs off the top is a major enhancement. Eliminating an
easy path to drop a bomb behind the dam is a major
enhancement.

> ... along comes the semi trailer/container ... a special
> panel opens and the rocket fires straight for the dam
> scant 100's of feet away.

... and does only cosmetic damage.

Dams are not that easy to bust with a frontal assault of
a weapon dropped, lobbed or rocketed at it. The Brits
found this out when they attacked German dams in WW-II.
They ended up designing special depth charges to air-drop
BEHIND the dam face.
18 posted on 03/27/2004 9:18:19 PM PST by Boundless
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To: al baby
"Do you know what the fish said when it hit concrete? Dam"

I thought the fish said, "Not the Los Angeles River again!"
19 posted on 03/27/2004 9:19:04 PM PST by whereasandsoforth (tagged for migratory purposes only)
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To: Boundless
AHHH, THANKS.

Yes, I saw that about the Brits and their bombs behind dams.

I realize it's several orders of magnitude better. Just don't think it's as safe as they are making it out to be--perhaps with a trailerized nuke?

Thanks for your kind reply.
20 posted on 03/27/2004 9:26:11 PM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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