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Kerry's Other War Record (John Fund of WSJ targets VVAW Assassin Plot)
Wall Street Journal ^ | March 29th, 2004 | John Fund

Posted on 03/28/2004 10:36:11 PM PST by Sabertooth

Edited on 04/23/2004 12:06:41 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

John Kerry mentions his service in Vietnam so frequently that it has become a running joke on the campaign press plane. He seldom if ever mentions his postwar activities as a national coordinator and principal spokesman for Vietnam Veterans Against the War, a group he says he quit in 1971 because he was concerned about its radical agenda. One reason may be that a credibility gap has started to widen over his antiwar history, and he clearly doesn't want to discuss it at length. His campaign is issuing misleading and evasive statements on his antiwar service in a way that would do the Pentagon spinners of the Johnson and Nixon administrations proud.


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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
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To: Sabertooth
FBI files he obtained under the Freedom of Information Act

FOI requesters get photo copies not originals.

51 posted on 03/29/2004 4:40:19 AM PST by ASA Vet ("Anyone who signed up after 11/28/97 is a newbie")
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To: Sabertooth
btt
52 posted on 03/29/2004 5:00:38 AM PST by GailA (Kerry I'm for the death penalty for terrorist, but I'll declare a moratorium on the death penalty)
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To: ASA Vet
FOI requesters get photo copies not originals.

How long does a request of this nature take? Why doesn't the reporter just file another request........or better yet, why doesn't a freeper or John Fund file a request?

53 posted on 03/29/2004 5:47:46 AM PST by Elkiejg (Clintons and Democrats have ruined America)
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To: Sabertooth
Thank you for posting this. Kerry needs to be pursued about this...


54 posted on 03/29/2004 5:56:54 AM PST by IPWGOP ('tooning the truth)
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To: Sabertooth
Instead, Jack Kelly, a respected military columnist for the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, believes many journalists are "more interested in defeating President Bush than in providing readers with potentially important information which reflects poorly on Sen. John Kerry."

This isn't the Jack Kelley with two "e"s that USA Today fired for Jayson-Blair-style fiction in news stories. Anyway, as any Freeper knows, Jack Kelly's got this nailed. Blind eyes are to the telescope in news rooms all over the country regarding Kerry's radical past (which extends well into his Senate career).

55 posted on 03/29/2004 6:00:12 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Iowa Granny
Saved to the Kerry file. I think Freeper files could rival the FBI!
56 posted on 03/29/2004 6:00:38 AM PST by Peach
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To: piasa
Nontice now that they're coming out with a sex scandal again

No, I didn't notice. How have I missed that? Link, please?

57 posted on 03/29/2004 6:06:21 AM PST by cyncooper ("The 'War on Terror ' is not a figure of speech")
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To: Elkiejg
There are fees for the lookup. Could be that would stop us poor folks.
58 posted on 03/29/2004 6:06:34 AM PST by ASA Vet ("Anyone who signed up after 11/28/97 is a newbie")
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To: Sabertooth
Excellent summation.
59 posted on 03/29/2004 6:07:36 AM PST by cyncooper ("The 'War on Terror ' is not a figure of speech")
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To: Sabertooth
4. Kerry has subsequently lied about his presence there on numerous occasions, and is now lying about not remembering being present at that meeting. And...

... Kerry did not resign from the VVAW when he claims, although he may have resigned his "national coordinator" post. He continued to bill himself as a VVAW spokesman as late as January, 1973.

60 posted on 03/29/2004 6:08:10 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: lavrenti
Kerry himself, in his infamous Senate testimony, stated he went to Paris and "met with both factions".

I'm sure the government has THAT in his file.
61 posted on 03/29/2004 6:11:02 AM PST by cyncooper ("The 'War on Terror ' is not a figure of speech")
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To: sibbel
Where are you and why do you rule out Fox?

Not that I'm saying they're the greatest thing since sliced bread as some of their programming is not to my taste, but "Special Report" with Brit Hume is excellent.

62 posted on 03/29/2004 6:15:40 AM PST by cyncooper ("The 'War on Terror ' is not a figure of speech")
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To: Sabertooth; onyx; PhilDragoo; devolve; yall
ping !

63 posted on 03/29/2004 6:19:18 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (The Democrats say they believe in CHOICE. I have chosen to vote STRAIGHT TICKET GOP for years !!)
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To: Sabertooth
several veterans remembered Mr. Kerry being present at the meeting when Scott Camil, a key leader of the VWAW from Florida

I mentioned on the other thread and will repeat here:

CSPAN played a June 1971 Dick Cavet show that featured a debate between John Kerry and John O'Neill.

O'Neill pointed out to Kerry that none of the "soldiers" who "testified" at the Winter Soldier hearing about committing atrocities would sign depositions affirming what they said.

Kerry pointed to the audience and said there was someone who came with him *from Florida* who would step forward and sign a deposition. This was not followed through on and no name was mentioned, but I immediately suspected that it was Scott Camil in the audience.

64 posted on 03/29/2004 6:20:50 AM PST by cyncooper ("The 'War on Terror ' is not a figure of speech")
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To: Texasforever
The WSJ ain't chopped liver. This might go someplace now. Maybe.
65 posted on 03/29/2004 6:37:49 AM PST by savedbygrace
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To: cyncooper
Germany, I meant television wise.
Fox is according to moyority opinion of the community the only accaptable news channel choice....
That one I know...therefore I rule it out.
So what would you suggest
66 posted on 03/29/2004 6:44:25 AM PST by sibbel
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To: Elkiejg
How long does a request of this nature take?

FOIA requires response to the intitiator of the request within 20 days. If this info was previously released, there should not be a problem with getting it in-hand within a 30 day time frame.

67 posted on 03/29/2004 8:10:25 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: PhilDragoo
The Boston Globe photo shows Kerry in his Lowell living room watching Nixon on television, January, 1973.

John Kerry Watching Nixon on Television

John Kerry, a Vietnam vet and head of Vietnam Veterans Against the War, watches as President Nixon announces an agreement on a cease fire in Vietnam. Kerry, who lost to Republican Paul Cronin (D-Mass) in the November general elections said, "my initial reaction is thank God that the prisoners are coming home and that we at least have stopped American participation in the war."

© Bettmann/CORBIS

Date Photographed: January 24, 1973

Location Information: Lowell, Massachusetts, USA

68 posted on 03/29/2004 8:13:46 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: Sabertooth
please add me to your VVAW ping list, thanks.
69 posted on 03/29/2004 8:16:11 AM PST by RangerVetNam
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To: cinnathepoet
I just sent the WSJ page to our local editorial board asking them to discuss the issue at their next meeting and to write an editorial on the points the author makes in the article.

You might also want to inform them of the picture of Kerry in 1973 that I have posted in #68.

70 posted on 03/29/2004 8:17:36 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: MeekOneGOP
Last eve I saw his debate on Dick Cavet in 1971. This CSpan presentation which ran well over an hour was fascinating. Kerry was/is an arrogant opportunistic poseur.

You get to watch a 24 year old try to determine foreign policy. Back then he was spewing about the Haig and Geneva Conventions. Fairly good news is that the old Kerry is washed out compared to those days he used to rise as a politician.

This was an eye opener. I look forward to seing his --- womped

71 posted on 03/29/2004 8:27:23 AM PST by Helms (A Kennedy Man Cuckolded - Turnabout Is Fairplay)
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To: Sabertooth
Yes, could you add me to the VVAW list too please? Thank you.

BUMP...muy muy MUY importante story! It's hitting the major presses now!
72 posted on 03/29/2004 8:46:34 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: ravingnutter
Republican Paul Cronin (D-Mass)

Huh!?

73 posted on 03/29/2004 8:47:28 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Sabertooth
This is a major article that hits most of the key points in the evolving Kerry / VVAW story. It's also a gauntlet across the chops to all the other media outlets that have been carefully avoiding the topic for several weeks.

With this following on the heels of last week's Boston Globe piece we may see the pace pick up a bit.

74 posted on 03/29/2004 8:52:54 AM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times; Eric Hogue 1380 KTKZ
This is a major article that hits most of the key points in the evolving Kerry / VVAW story. It's also a gauntlet across the chops to all the other media outlets that have been carefully avoiding the topic for several weeks.

Limbaugh, Scarborough, and Laura Ingraham have both discussed the Kerry / VVAW / Phoenix Project story. Sean Hannity was in studio with Laura when she spoke to Tom Lipscomb, though I don't know if he's had it on his show yet.

Eric Hogue running it today.


75 posted on 03/29/2004 9:01:36 AM PST by Sabertooth (< /Kerry>)
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To: VadeRetro
Another Freeper originally posted this...I just copied and pasted it...can't access the original article without a subscription, so I can't check it to see if that is the original text. I asked in #16 if anyone had a subscription, so we could check it out.

Here is the original thread. It also has the typo.

76 posted on 03/29/2004 9:37:11 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: VadeRetro
I found Hon's source, she posted it further down in the original thread...it is Corbis:

Click Here

77 posted on 03/29/2004 9:40:48 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: nopardons
Kerry is as bad as,if not worse than Hillary.

I think Hillary! has him beat hands down, because he's not very bright, and unfortunately, she is. But Kerry and Slick are a toss up.

78 posted on 03/29/2004 9:42:27 AM PST by b4its2late (I love defenseless animals, especially in a good gravy.)
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To: Sabertooth
The story is unlikely to go away completely.

Heck, the story is just getting its boots on. The WSJ Op Ed page is the most influential in the country. It was carefully written. They know full well that it will be the breakout piece.

79 posted on 03/29/2004 9:56:34 AM PST by Plutarch
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To: Helms
This was an eye opener. I look forward to seing his --- womped

I second that !


80 posted on 03/29/2004 10:02:05 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (The Democrats say they believe in CHOICE. I have chosen to vote STRAIGHT TICKET GOP for years !!)
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To: Sabertooth
Did you see the posts about Kerry's Dick Cavett appearance? Is there a transcript?
81 posted on 03/29/2004 10:13:21 AM PST by Shermy
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To: Shermy; cyncooper



Did you see the posts about Kerry's Dick Cavett appearance? Is there a transcript?

I missed the rebroadcast and haven't read the thread. Not sure about a transcript.

cyncooper's been following it, she may know.


82 posted on 03/29/2004 10:21:33 AM PST by Sabertooth (< /Kerry>)
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To: Sabertooth
Well, why doesn't the gentleman simply ask for the files again. If he got them once, surely he could get them again.
83 posted on 03/29/2004 10:30:51 AM PST by SuzanneC
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To: Sabertooth; Shermy
I haven't seen a transcript yet.
84 posted on 03/29/2004 10:51:15 AM PST by cyncooper ("The 'War on Terror ' is not a figure of speech")
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To: Sabertooth
If John Kerry gets away with all this crap, that would be a travesty.
85 posted on 03/29/2004 10:52:44 AM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: SuzanneC
Exactly Suzanne. That is exhibit A pointing to the probability that he wants them "gone" and staying gone in order to help Kerry.

In the first article I read he wistfully sighed about them being lost to him forever. His overly dramatic handwringing while not betraying the slightest alarm that "someone" had allegedly been traipsing through his abode while he was out gave the game away right off the bat.
86 posted on 03/29/2004 10:54:06 AM PST by cyncooper ("The 'War on Terror ' is not a figure of speech")
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To: ravingnutter
It turns out "Hon" was returning bannee Mojo, who has flunked probation and is back on the outside (unless he's snuck back in). Too bad! That was some good investigative work.
87 posted on 03/29/2004 11:22:12 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: cyncooper
I surfed the CSpan site- no transcript and no videofile though I believe it will be rebroadcast. Its good stuff. Pretty damning if you ask me. Kerry's chia-hair and grandeloquence are on display.

Kerry was a willing instrument in trying to make this Nixons war rather than the Kennedy-Johnson debacle that it was.

88 posted on 03/29/2004 11:33:42 AM PST by Helms (A Kennedy Man Cuckolded - Turnabout Is Fairplay)
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To: MeekOneGOP
I wonder what would happen if bush pardoned Kerry for his war crimes and for conspiracy to murder congressmen.
89 posted on 03/29/2004 11:50:51 AM PST by js1138
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To: js1138
I wonder what would happen if bush pardoned Kerry for his
war crimes and for conspiracy to murder congressmen.

Whoa ! Now there's a thought ! I can only imagine that Bush would
catch he** over it. More than clintoon in his pardon of Marc Rich.

Or maybe not ...


90 posted on 03/29/2004 12:16:29 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (The Democrats say they believe in CHOICE. I have chosen to vote STRAIGHT TICKET GOP for years !!)
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To: Sabertooth
Two months after Kansas City he represented VVAW at a speech at Dartmouth College.

In that speech, Kerry criticized Nixon for seeking an early return of POWs. That's struck me as odd for some time now.

91 posted on 03/29/2004 12:36:29 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: cyncooper; Interesting Times
O'Neill pointed out to Kerry that none of the "soldiers" who "testified" at the Winter Soldier hearing about committing atrocities would sign depositions affirming what they said.

Kerry pointed to the audience and said there was someone who came with him *from Florida* who would step forward and sign a deposition. This was not followed through on and no name was mentioned, but I immediately suspected that it was Scott Camil in the audience.

Wow! Good catch.

I nominate this for wintersoldier.com's "Key Points":

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/index.php?topic=Keys

92 posted on 03/29/2004 1:36:19 PM PST by secretagent
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To: VadeRetro
Two months after Kansas City he represented VVAW at a speech at Dartmouth College.

In that speech, Kerry criticized Nixon for seeking an early return of POWs. That's struck me as odd for some time now.

Great link. Yeah, that's most odd, and Kerry should definitely be quizzed on that.


93 posted on 03/29/2004 1:40:27 PM PST by Sabertooth (< /Kerry>)
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To: secretagent
Thanks. I integrated it into an existing "key point" as follows:

o Kerry's used "testimony" from the VVAW's "Winter Soldier Investigation" as the basis for his war crimes charges, although none of the witnesses there were willing to sign depositions affirming their claims. Later investigators were unable to confirm any of the reported atrocities, and in fact discovered that a number of the witnesses had never been in Vietnam, had never been in combat, or were imposters who had assumed the identity of real veterans.

94 posted on 03/29/2004 4:34:39 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: VadeRetro
It was superb investigative work and it is a disgrace that Hon was banned.

The spitefulness around here HURTS the ability to surface information. Now we don't get Hon's

And thanks to CYNCOOPER SABERTOOTH and others for getting such a good thing going.

Too bad more shows aren't doing Lipscomb...
95 posted on 03/29/2004 5:13:33 PM PST by Clodia Pulcher (There are more nuns in whorehouses than reporters with military experience)
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To: Sabertooth
http://www.tinyvital.com/BlogArchives/000392.html

Vietnam Veterans Against Kerry

Useful Fools :
Watching Those Whom Lenin Called "Useful Fools"

A Vietnam Veteran's organization has sprung up to oppose John Kerry, because Kerry used his Vietnam credentials to the benefit of the enemy in that war, which is hard to reconcile with his constant bragging about his service today. If you don't think Kerry helped the communists, go to the site of the VVAK, and also read the history of the conflict (on this blog), and read on here. Kerry helped our enemy, it's that simple! His actions are those of one who cared for his comrades but not for his nation

96 posted on 03/29/2004 6:31:11 PM PST by Pelham
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To: Interesting Times; cyncooper
Thanks IT, and thanks for wintersoldier.com.

I disagree with you on this, as before. On this part:

Later investigators were unable to confirm any of the reported atrocities, and in fact discovered that a number of the witnesses had never been in Vietnam, had never been in combat, or were imposters who had assumed the identity of real veterans.

I assume you've again relied solely on the Lewy account of the missing NIS report, which sounds weak to me.

I think it stands better as a specific independent event - cyncooper's wording.

Recently CSPAN played a June 1971 Dick Cavett show that featured a debate between John Kerry and John O'Neill.

O'Neill pointed out to Kerry that none of the "soldiers" who "testified" at the Winter Soldier hearing about committing atrocities would sign depositions affirming what they said.

Assuming that you get a transcript of the Cavett Show debate.

This underlines your strategy of demanding more verification - incredible claims require incredible proof, especially with so many proven frauds, ala Sheehan and Burkett.

The Cavett item doesn't depend on a report no one can find. And it leads right to the same point O'Neill made then. None of these guys would sign depositions affirming the truth of what they said.

Even better, it leads to a call for the WSI witnesses to release their full military records, and have someone like Burkett look them over.

97 posted on 03/29/2004 7:07:03 PM PST by secretagent
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To: PhilDragoo
As always, you said it well.
98 posted on 03/29/2004 7:07:40 PM PST by potlatch ( Medals do not make a man. Morals do.)
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To: Pelham; Sabertooth
Regarding John Kerry and Lenin's "Useful Idiots." (If Lenin never said it, he should have.)
99 posted on 03/30/2004 5:49:58 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: doug from upland
They finally did it. A few days ago, I sent this info to a WSJ reporter with whom I have had contact. Too bad he couldn't talk about it on Drudge tonight.

The President will owe you a spot in his second administration Doug. With what you did bitch slapping Tom D and now breaking this information to the WSJ, you have to be one of GWB's MVPs.

100 posted on 03/30/2004 9:22:17 PM PST by ClintonBeGone (John Kerry is the Democrat's Bob Dole)
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