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Hip-hop's dangerous values
The Washington Times ^ | 3/29/04 | Clarence Page

Posted on 03/29/2004 6:23:40 AM PST by NotchJohnson

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:14:20 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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The good thing now is that lots of white guys are copying the culture. Blows my mind when I hear them talk. The hip hop culture just does not agree with growing up.
1 posted on 03/29/2004 6:23:40 AM PST by NotchJohnson
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To: NotchJohnson; nuconvert
Good stuff to read...
2 posted on 03/29/2004 6:35:55 AM PST by F14 Pilot (John Fedayeen Kerry - the Mullahs' regime candidate)
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To: qam1
The author of this article said "baby boomer."

As to the article's contents - I don't think that anything will happen for the poor black community until they accept responsibility for their actions and give over the myth "the man is keeping me down" in place for "I'm keeping myself down - what can I do to fix it?"
3 posted on 03/29/2004 6:36:31 AM PST by NotQuiteCricket (10 kinds of people in the world us and them.)
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To: NotchJohnson
Well-deserved BUMP!
5 posted on 03/29/2004 6:51:06 AM PST by Ben Chad
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To: NotchJohnson
Black teen girls don't get much respect, not even from each other. That's just one of the startling findings of a recent study of the sex and gender attitudes of low-income black teenagers. It offers new evidence, as if we needed it, to me and to other parents of black teenagers that the standards of "black authenticity" promulgated in hip-hop culture are not only too narrow but downright dangerous.

With funding from the Ford Foundation and the California Endowment, MEE (Motivational Educational Entertainment) Productions Inc., a marketing firm that specializes in the buying patterns of urban youths, conducted a 10-city research study of teens aged 16 to 20 years old.

The study found black urban youth from households earning under $25,000 a year to be remarkably untouched by positive messages from schools, parents, the media and health-care providers about responsible sexual behavior.

But the teens did display attitudes consistent with the cool macho pose of hip-hop rappers. Their mottoes: "Use or be used," among others, and "Get it while you can."

And, consistent with a culture that uses "bitches" and "ho's" as labels for every woman but one's mama, the study reveals, "Black females are dissed by almost everyone," including other black females.

Compare, for example the half-dozen slang nouns in the study's glossary that are used to describe males ("Dog... homeboy... playa... lame... sugar daddy... payload") with some of the words used by both teen boys and teen girls in the survey to describe women: "skeezer... 'hood rat... 'ho... trick... freak... bitch... gold digger... hoochie mama."

The study of the "hip-hop generation" fails to pin down the big question: Does rap music and other hip-hop culture influence teens or merely mirror the culture that teens already have created? The answer is probably both.

Born since the mid-1980s, today's teens grew up awash in hip-hop and so did their parents. The sad consequences have been a narrow and distorted view among many black youngsters, among others, of what it means to be black.

It was back in the 1960s, I painfully recall, that "authenticity" began to replace the more generalized "cool" as the standard for acceptable tastes and behavior among black youths. It was a period marked by big Afros, dashikis, bib overalls, jungle combat boots and a propensity for greeting each other with defiantly raised fists. Ah, youth.

Such was the "authentic" look among black college students, of which I was fortunate enough to be one in the late '60s. The "authentic black" came to define a person who did not "sell out" to bourgeois middle-class standards, the same values that enabled our families to prepare us for college in the first place.

Even if we aging black Baby Boomers no longer buy that narrow notion of blackness, a lot of our kids and grandkids do. In 1986, Signithia Fordham and the late John Ogbu shocked many with a landmark study of "oppositional cultural identity" in black teens who derogate academic achievement by their peers as "acting white."

Still, there are signs of hope. Among those who expressed some pretty raunchy attitudes in the MEE study, some also praised certain hip-hop artists as more "positive" and called for more "message" in pop music.

And in another section headlined, "Wish I woulda waited: The secret allure of virgins," many sexually active youths said sex wasn't all they had hoped and that they wish they had waited until they were married or at least older.

And many of the young men, in a reflection of times past, in the study still showed significant respect for virginity they would not express outside the group. Girls who don't "give it up" are males' top choices for long-term partners.

What is to be done? Pardon my dangling prepositions, but like other generations, today's youths probably are just looking for someone to look up to and something to believe in.

We, their elders need to provide it. We need not only to reach out and show the world a broader vision of what black culture is all about, but also to reach back and mentor our least-privileged youngsters. They're not going to learn life's valuable lessons from CDs alone.
6 posted on 03/29/2004 7:10:55 AM PST by Leonard210
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SHAME ON ALL OF US!

Hey, a lot of us were born long after all this went down. Don't blame us for your own sins.

7 posted on 03/29/2004 7:20:14 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: NotchJohnson
Wonder if O'Reilly will bring this up on his radio/TV show?
8 posted on 03/29/2004 7:25:38 AM PST by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( President Bush 3-20-04))
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To: NotchJohnson
Flame suit on.....

Endemic disrespect for personal and property rights is at the root - which also partially explains why urban areas are liberal enclaves.

Graffiti as "art", for example, is basically a turning upside-down of personal property rights. The human side of this is a feeling of powerlessness and insecurity, which manifests itself by thuggishness (e.g., "owning" a public streetcorner).

More education on the basic tenets of the Constitution would be better than trying to magically inculcate self-esteem in young people.
9 posted on 03/29/2004 7:26:15 AM PST by P.O.E. (Enjoy every sandwich)
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Thanks for the ping
10 posted on 03/29/2004 7:26:16 AM PST by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( President Bush 3-20-04))
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12 posted on 03/29/2004 7:43:48 AM PST by qam1 (Tommy Thompson is a Fat-tubby, Fascist)
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a lot of white guys are copying the culture

...and Arabs, Latinos, Asians, etc. that's just what I see here in NYC. Kids around here refer to their friends as "their Niggas" regardless of race.

13 posted on 03/29/2004 9:11:40 AM PST by Clemenza ("Knowledge is Good" --- Emil Faber, Founder of Faber College)
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To: RightofRight
I have had enough of these rich white kids who try to pretend that they are poor black kids.

When I was a kid (not too long ago, btw), the bruthas would kick a white kids a-s for trying to act black. Now they let it slide and simply laugh. I guess that's progress...

14 posted on 03/29/2004 9:14:01 AM PST by Clemenza ("Knowledge is Good" --- Emil Faber, Founder of Faber College)
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15 posted on 03/29/2004 9:16:13 AM PST by mhking
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:yawn: Hip hop is evil, and all other art forms had no effect is society whatsoever. I don't care anymore.
16 posted on 03/29/2004 9:18:46 AM PST by cyborg (troll on a stick)
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To: NotchJohnson
This is one weird column. Clarence Page collides with Fred Reed.

     

17 posted on 03/29/2004 10:02:40 AM PST by BraveMan
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To: RightofRight
Well, if these kids are poor, the clothes are not. A throwback Denver Nuggets jersey is probably 70 bucks.
18 posted on 03/29/2004 10:43:04 AM PST by NotchJohnson
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I have updated my blog dedicated to GenXers/the 80s.

Back to the 80s : Get Thee To a DeLorean!


20 posted on 03/29/2004 2:38:17 PM PST by Alkhin (He thinks I need keeping in order.)
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